Yes under renovation I think

viscous things!

I know of at least three populations! its on my to do list

cheers matt!

one of my favs

Hey, yo bro, I’m Cornish as well

Thank you

I know the lake you mean but as far as I'm aware they haven't been seen in decades

They probably do!

yes I'm well overdue a tench episode!

They are common, I have seen many while wading in rivers, but they are not caught often on rod and line.

I have caught a few when legering on the Yorkshire Derwent on small baits. Sadly, they usually don't survive capture, as they usually swallow the bait (bites not easy to see) and are difficult to unhook.

used to find loads under rocks as a kid and catch them by hand (in Yorkshire). There should still be plenty about!

I've caught them in the river Rye.

@@XiOjala Now that you mention it, I have caught one or two from the Rye as well, back in the 1980s and 90s.

the fish in the wye are twaite shad the allis is bigger and rarer

@ ahh right, they have been caught as a by product when people have bait fished on the Birmingham Anglers Association water at Stacklands. Not often though and now I now why.

not in the chip shops their not!

I do love it there one of my fav spots

I do have a episode of my species hunt coming up for both loach species. as far as I know no one has ever caught one on rod and line but I suppose its feasible but they have tiny mouths! had my first stone loach this year

@Chasingscalesspecieshunt looking forward to that one.

@@scottpoulter9164 I caught a stone loach on maggots in the Yorkhire Derwent in the early 1980s. The only one I have ever seen. Never heard of other anglers catching them, but then the smaller species are usually overlooked.

@portcullis5622 nice. The LRF guys do occasionally target the regular Stone Loach. I recall seeing a Facebook post of somebody catching a Spined Loach but not the details. The only one I have ever seen was an old YT clip of Jack's.

yes I think thats right further north they are more common

we do have others but the wye is the only population with decent numbers most rainbows in the UK are triploid

@@Chasingscalesspecieshunt Thank you for clarifying.

I believe you, as I also caught a lamprey on maggots. In the Yorkshire Derwent in the early 1980s. I also caught my one and only stone loach on the same stretch, again in the early 1980s..

It does indeed have an adipose fin since it is a salmonidae or member of the salmon family. The vendace belongs to the genus Coregonus which are collectively known as "whitefish". It is one of the most bafflingly complex sub-divisions of the salmon family there is and that's saying something. Taxonomists have been arguing over the exact classification of whitefish for at least a century and we're still no closer to a consensus. Take the vendace for instance. This is called either the Vendace or European Cisco with the Latin name Coregonus albula and is widespread across Northern Europe. The trouble with many Whitefish species however is that they are glacial relics and found in lakes formed during the ice ages in widely isolated populations. Since populations are isolated from each other they begin to take on very individual characteristics and soon begin to resemble entirely different species. The British population of Vendace is therefore considered by some scientists to be a different species from its North European counterpart and is given the Latin name Coregonus vandesius but this is by no means universally accepted.

@@michaelafrancis1361 thanks