Why Trump Won (Ft. Mike From PA)

[@1DimeRadio]

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[@ne-tongmu-toby]

THANK YOU FOR COLLABING!! GREAT EPISODE !!!

[@ludviglidstrom6924]

The “Don’t be an asshole” party versus the “Don’t be a pussy” party - that’s absolutely perfect!😂

[@onled1]

Holy shit this mike guy is way better than I expetected, I thought he was just another twitch progressive democrat since I never heard him speak

[@ArctheLadder]

Mike is why I know about 1Dime!

[@trapadvisor]

Mike closely ties his channel/personality/“brand” to Hasanabi. If you like Mike then you’ll like Hasan because they have the same politics.

[@timeswaste]

Mike is awesome if you are fed up with the talking heads that just pussy foot around issues. He goes straight to the heart of all parts of politics. On top of that he has a righteous anger that will get you pumped and ready for organization to take on the machine that holds us down, capitalism.

[@PayMeToThrow]

Mike personally ran as a candidate (pa house) and has ran many campaigns. His knowledge is actually really deep and comes from experience.

[@DoItLikeDat450Splat]

yeah Mike is awesome, and thanks to him I have a new podcast to listen to, cheers 1Dime

[@zainmudassir2964]

Yo it's Mike from PA!

[@damintten]

Na i think its mike from CA now

[@ericcarabetta1161]

Harris parading around with Cheney, was like if Trump decided to bring Hillary along to speak at his rallies. Like, WTF are you thinking??

[@jeffisfine]

Really underrated point that both leftists and liberals need to reckon with: voters at the population level barely vote for policy and definitely don't vote for abstracts like protecting democracy, following the rules, etc. Yeah we need content because baseless aesthetics aren't going to win, at least at the national level. But baseless aesthetics will absolutely win against mid-content with bad aesthetics. It's why I have to internally sigh when I hear liberals complain that Trump won because people actively wanted or at least tolerated the risk of fascism. Like no, the Democrats were just so bad that they thought appealing to the right was the strategy to beat a fascist (in their words) clown.

[@nihilnothings000]

What I learn about politics be they electoral or revolutionary through this podcast is that we must be true to our goals while also having rhetorical "aesthetic" that does not alienate the majority without disenfranchising the minority by throwing them under the bus. Have the objectives of an activist but act like a politician while doing it. We really wish that people could just learn facts and all but I think Mark Fisher maybe onto something that people perceive reality in different wave lengths so we somehow must approach these lengths and unite them altogether for the more "higher concept" specific goals to be established by addressing the primary economic concerns that transcends race, gender, and sexuality.

[@naweedock]

Oh cool. I love Mike and frequently watch him

[@ryloforehead3687]

I agree wrt the border there needs to be a synthesis of actually analyzing mass immigration as an issue and anti racism. “No human is illegal” is not a policy position.

[@QUAKERSATTACKS97]

Trump’s mentor was Roy Cohn and he’s spent his life in NYC real estate. His largest donor has been the Adelsons. I don’t think he needs blackmailing to support Israel.

[@thephilguy1]

Great collab, is this the first episode of many to come in building a leftist Joe Rogan Experience?!

[@wck]

1:35:59 Symone Sanders. Bernie staffer, was always on TV during the Bernie campaign. I know, because I remember how strange it was that she kept repeating "radical revolutionary change" despite the fact that Bernie himself was constantly trying to distance himself from the 'radical' label. Symone Sanders now hosts a show on MSNBC.

[@matthewmcree1992]

Clearly Symone Sanders was an op from the beginning and her goal was to damage the Bernie campaign from the inside (and there is a strong possibility that she was paid either directly or indirectly by the Democratic Party to do this). If she had been a real Bernie supporter, she never would have made it to the place she is now. I honestly never really trusted her, but then she went onto working for Biden and that proved exactly what she really is. And now as you said she has a show on MSNBC. So she made quite a career for herself at the same time as America and the rest of the world are totally fucked.

[@gabagool44]

If I had a dollar for every time Mike interrupted a sentence I’d give every commenter a patreon subscription lmfao

[@MrSchmeoin1]

Ooh now I'm going to have to sign up for the backroom now that the tea is being spilled hehe Thanks for a great episode. Mike is a great character who can really breath fire when he gets going. He's great for getting down into the weeds too. It sounded like there was many a tangent you were skirting on that could have easily filled another episode or two. Would love to see more of Mike on here in the future to discuss what will undoubtedly be an increasingly turbulent political era.

[@plb863]

Amazing episode 🔥

[@KarlRobespierre]

MIKEWASRIGHT

[@dong6092]

That moment where two black activists took the microphone from Bernie was in 2015 at Netroots nation not in the 2020 campaign.

[@alexhubble]

37:44 '... hall monitor sash', oh boy, so much truth here.

[@damintten]

1:03:29 there is no talk what so ever about recycling. We have 40 percent of our food that goes to waste in the world. Even the blue of the blue states only recycle 40 percent. Its crazy we don't have R30 insulation by regulation's in every state in the Union and don't make air conditioners into heat pumps as a standard i.e no such thing as an air conditioner. I mean there are so many ways we could make a more efficient world and the next generations going to piss on our graves for being so complacent.

[@TheMartialEsotericist]

Ey 1Dime looking very handsome with that hairstyle!

[@swagpilledcommisar]

so very handsome

[@victorortiz1387]

Great stuff watching from Mtl

[@alexandrutrandafir9585]

Mtl babyyyyyy

[@vivitow873]

Our streamer!

[@qwertyuiop4701]

I loved this one

[@jay-paheel-7969]

😮Its Mike from LA

[@Johnny1864]

Great show!

[@absoluterefusal]

Not raising the standard for everyone. But for most. And lowering it significantly for the wasteful opulent few.

[@majesticgods5702]

Great conversation, can't wait for the Matt Mcmanus episode. Since they were name dropped, is there any chance for an episode with one of the chapo guys?

[@1DimeRadio]

I really want to get Amber A'Lee Frost on. Matt Christman too

[@ludviglidstrom6924]

@@1DimeRadio Matt Christman had a stroke. He doesn’t seem that verbal right now.

[@xxa455xx]

36:16 Future of American politics 39:52 AOC

[@matthewmcree1992]

1:10:29 thank you for speaking up against degrowth! To defeat the related enemies of climate change, poverty, and inequality of wealth and power; we need massive economic growth and rapidly improving technology decoupled from greenhouse gas emissions. We need high speed rail and local public transportation infrastructure - this means economic growth. If we want to emancipate the working class from the drudgery of mindnumbing and physically exhausting work, we need to develop highly sophisticated robotics and AI to replace that human labor. This means that we need to produce shitloads of electricity, which means IMO developing nuclear fusion and next-generation nuclear fission power plants (as we would be able to produce virtually unlimited electricity without the emissions). The problem with our current system is the environmental impact of economic growth, but the fact is that it is not permanent

[@a_speeder1728]

I enjoyed the episode a lot, going to watch more of the backlog now bc its good pushback to all the baseless doomerism going on. I do have one niggling thought that I can't seem to dispell though. One thing Mike said early on is that the working class have a strong sense of kindergarten morality that the Dems are violating with their appeal to idpol at the expense of those who are suffering but don't belong to those groups. But then much later he's going on about how America loves conmen, that the sense of "yeah I wouldn't pay my taxes and would cheat on my wife if I could get away with it" is widespread. But those sentiments don't really jive to me, and it feeds into something that's bothered me for a long time. The Right seems to be the final say in when fairness matters, that bigotry and corruption are a good 'ol time and not a big deal but then they abruptly decide where the buck stops and fairness and morality start mattering again when minorities are being blatantly appealed to. Why do they get to dictate the terms of what counts as fair or unfair, and when anyone aside from them tries to dictate terms they are "hall monitors"? It reminds me of that overdone Sartre quote about how antisemites have the freedom of language to play with, that what they say is frivolous and it is up to the other side to use words responsibly.

[@jjclem8759]

ol Brooks in the intro… miss that duder

[@wck]

I like Mike. I used to be in his channel all the time, and was subscribed for 3 months. Used to watch his vods all the time, too. He's really good at explaining issues. I still remember one rant he went on where he described why stock buybacks are terrible for everyone, including for companies. He's clearly really informed on a lot of topics and is very rhetorically gifted. The problem with Mike, though, is that he has a wild hair trigger and can be especially cruel. One day in his chat I kinda just offhandeded said that I kinda like Elizabeth Warren and don't understand why the left despises her so much. And that was all it took to get Mike to pull up my chatlog in front of 3000 people, call me profoundly stupid and undeserving of HUMAN RIGHTS, then permanently ban me. You could ask me for the video of it if you don't believe me, too. It was bizarre, because I didn't even say anything to defend Warren. Literally all I said was I don't get it, and he flew off the handle at me like I was his sworn ideological enemy.

[@grev.]

put in a ban appeal, you might have not been paying attention to the discussion (e.g. saying you like her after a 10 minute diatribe on why she is an ontological enemy) or he might have just had a temper.

[@ArctheLadder]

I mean, today some folks in chat caught a stray bop on the nose, myself included, when Mike asked "name one person who is good that Bad Empanada has had a beef with." A lot of us responded with Hasan, but it was met with a very harsh rebuke about how it's okay for the Southern Hemisphere Left to criticize the Imperial Core leftists. There's context there, but more or less I think in these moments that anger Mike has is justified or it's used as teaching moments. I wasn't in love with it, but I got the point that it's not a point to be "technically right" even in a passive way. The way the answer was interpreted was to more or less prime his base. I can accept that is happening, and it did get me thinking about just why I passively wrote that answer. I think for someone at the front of things, it's important to maintain that aesthetic and to make it clear what the message/belief is and that it isn't to be taken lightly... but it's also why I watch Hasan and it's why I'm grateful that Hasan understands the other side of this which is that some of us come from backgrounds we might feel a deep sense of regret and shame about. That was what funneled me to Mike in the first place.

[@33up24]

"the antibody of capitalism" is a perfect way of describing it

[@conantheagrarian]

Nice job guys

[@alexhubble]

17:30 ish "she's Joe Biden 2" - that hits it, right there. Pocket book politics. One candidate is as close to an actual fascist as you can think... but have you seen the price of gas? I was more concerned about the fascist but I'm in the UK and I am not seeing that gas price. This important and confusing....

[@trapadvisor]

Damn Mike tore into JJ

[@SingularMK]

Good vid 👍

[@iantroesoyer1864]

@20:20 nice Henry George call out! To clarify, his proposal wasnt a property tax. He proposed only taxing use of the Earth/land. No taxation on buildings or other improvements. The idea is that the Earth should belong to the community or to everyone. A land value tax is the rent that you pay for the right to exclusively use that parcel of the Earth that belongs to all. Taxing buildings disincentivizes building housing/businesses that serve the community. Under Georgist philosophy, the community doesnt have a right to someone else's labor. Income taxes and taxes on the fruits of labor are considered unjust. Instead, you just tax the use of nature. You would tax the extraction of iron, but not the sale of whatever you made with it. You would tax nature and natural opportunities like land, water/mineral/timber extraction, low earth orbit, EM band use, etc.

[@xenon6947]

Tim Dillon is opportunist. Tim Dillon is not the same as Tim Dillon going to hell.

[@technoshaman101]

At about 38 min what he's talking about reminded me of Benjamin Studabaker's 3 f's that people cling to so as to distract themselves from a political situation they are deeply unhappy with. The f's were family, fandoms, and futurism. Here at 38 min he's talking about do want to be a part of the don't be a pussy part or the don't be an asshole party. I would say since this division isn't even about actual issues but about what social group you identify with, then this is a fandom. So in a system where the way is so thoroughly shut that no real change is possible, I suspect we will more and more see the two main parties position themselves as fandoms, that way the people feel like they are a part of something that will create change, when in reality they just get to feel good because they fit in somewhere.

[@RedSunDiggo]

MIKE FROM PA 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

[@Babysqid]

You know 1Dime is a natalist now because he's wearing a black polo neck

[@MrJfergs]

Turtleneck? But yeah he's definitely trying to impregnate someone dressing like that.

[@bertbaker7067]

@~1:51:00, RE: capitalism and "surplus population" Pretty sure this is like the dictionary definition of confirmation bias. Either that or capitalist exploitation just incentivising the next most profitable form of exploitation once it's no longer exploiting labor. Idk, just spit balling

[@brokenman58]

I love that Mike has to use n AIRBRUSHED thumbnail pic of himself. He looks WAY greasier than that IRL.

[@ch4rl3magn38]

Fuck yeah Mike is a comrade.

[@cakexo7756]

Half the time Tony is tired as hell. His job must be killing him.

[@oracelerapeur]

where can I find the jj mcculough debate?

[@1DimeRadio]

On my Patreon. He didn’t want it to go public, but he let me put it on Patreon

[@trapadvisor]

That guy is the worst

[@oracelerapeur]

@@trapadvisor i know that's why I want to watch it lol

[@michaelslowmin]

Aww come on, we all love JREG's pet lib uncle.​@trapadvisor

[@erikanderson1402]

Degrowth isn’t anti-human at all… this is like, completely at odds with everything Jason Hickel advocates… and I think his pitch is great, “what if we could address climate change by also shortening the work week? Turns out, it’s the only technically feasible approach anyway! So let’s chill out AND have a sustainable environment” i think there’s very much an acid communism connection / common thread there

[@ryloforehead3687]

Yeah the only “degrowthers” I know are him and Max Ajl and this definitely is a straw man wrt them. That being said they probably are both people who could be called “third worldists” and I do agree that third worldism will never be anything but fringe in the imperial core even if it is the “correct” position. I think what Mike from PA is referring to is shit like extinction rebellion or something idk

[@RTtheman121]

Sounds like you need to re-examine what your "movement" is about, because a great many degrowthers ABSOLUTELY advocate for what was talked about in this episode, in that you think we have to live in mudhuts and eat bugs because "something something humanity is evil brown people are breeding too much!" I see this perspective wearily often in many online spaces centered around degrowth.

[@KarlRobespierre]

Most people (including Mike unfortunately) have a distorted understanding of degrowth, which analytically aligns with how most socialists conceive of environmental policy. But people see "degrowth", and see some of its proponents advocate for a return to traditional modes of living, basically romanticizing the "noble savage", and it makes sense why people like Mike have this belief.

[@michaelslowmin]

This guy sounds like he just wants to continue tailing democrats. Haven't we learned how utterly useless that is? People that still talk like this feel like a psyop more and more

[@1DimeRadio]

Thats definitely not what either of us are saying

[@michaelslowmin]

@1DimeRadio idk, the way he talks about AOC and election cycles sure sounds like it, but maybe I missed something

[@alexhubble]

13:43 it is super based to criticise FDR, whose support for the USSR was vital for its survival as a state? Errrr...

[@comradetrashpanda8777]

In the words of FDR the New Deal was explicitly put forward as a means to prevent Socialism in the US. Contemporary Progressive (SocDem) policies are utterly dead on arrival but the intent remains the same: do anything possible to prevent the overcoming Capital i.e., Socialism. So yeah, FDR, in the grand scheme of history, delayed or possibly ended the possibility for Socialism not just in the US but perhaps the world. It is 100% based to be critical of FDR's legacy

[@alexhubble]

Thanks for the reply! Very interesting, I can your point regarding the States, but I am going to push back a bit. New deal was 35-36? Would socialism have established itself in the US before 1938-9? With the best will in the world, I don't think so. From 1939 on, the US economy picks up, helped by war supplies bought by UK and France. So the onset of socialism recedes a bit more. I don't know how he can avoid war with Japan. But after Pearl harbour, a socialist pacifism... would have been difficult. And without US help, I don't think there would be any socialist states. More than a million civilians died of starvation in the USSR in 1942. That can cause changes. So, unless you think socialism could have been established in two years in the most libertarian country on earth and in history, I think it's mistaken to bag FDR. 👍

[@george1621996]

​@@alexhubble Germany would have never beaten the USSR. When the invasion started they were expecting it to be over in a few weeks. When that didn't happen, it was known Germany would eventually lose the war of attrition. That is why Germany declared war on the US after the attack on pearl harbor, they knew in the long term they lost and were hoping Japan would reciprocate and declare war on the USSR, giving Germany a 2nd chance to finish them off quickly, but Japan didn't. US aid for the USSR only started arriving in 1942, and I think it was only 5% of what the USSR used in ww2. In the end you can like FDR for being better than what came before or after, but to say his actions strengthened capitalism should not be controversial. To make the case that FDR saved capitalism is a lot easier than to say he saved the USSR and socialism. If he really wanted to help the USSR d-day would've happened in 1942.

[@alexhubble]

@george1621996 thanks for the reply! I love this sort of discussion... "Germany would never have beaten the USSR" I have a lot of sympathy with this, it's almost certainly true just because it's so huge. But, I think that would be 100% correct if you said "beaten Russia". Would the ussr have beaten Germany without US aid? The answer "only much more slowly and gigantic, gigantic cost". For a start if no US aid, no D-day. No question. Britain is not invading Europe on its own, can't be done. So Germany is fighting a one front war. And I know more tha 5% of the soviet trucks were us made. 400,000 jeeps and trucks. 57% of soviet aviation gas was American. 1911 railway locomotives. Stalin thought he would have lost. There's hardly a historian who disagrees. D-day in 1942? First of all, in 1942 the US didn't have enough ships, tanks, planes or trained personnel. And German submarines were very active. So, no, they couldn't. Did he save capitalism? Meh. Did he save socialism? Meh. Did he save the USSR. yes.

[@george1621996]

​@@alexhubble The red army is what saved the USSR. The soviets spent 192 billion USD during the war, america gave them 10.9 billion, 5.7% Let's not even get into how many millions died. The only thing fair to say is that america helped a little bit, anything more is a lie. America gave a lot more to the UK during ww2, 31 billion USD. I have yet to hear anyone explicitly say the US saved them during ww2, never have I heard it explicitly said. Yet while growing up I always heard how the USSR would have been toast without the US help. When I learned that they only gave 5% and starting only in 1942 I was shocked.

[@666raki]

dude your definition of fascism is wrong

[@Death_By_Media]

dsal dsal

[@jjclem8759]

lol MikefromPA, ya goof… this always happens when I stumble upon one of his appearances on these shows, but around 15m or so in (16,17? Somewhere around there), when he says “you’re elderly, a senior citizen at 55,” lol that’s not true, it’s 65. Weirded me out for a moment, I’m thinkin ‘no way I don’t got 20y til I’m a SENIOR CITIZEN??’ Terrifying prospect, tho everything will likely all be done for by then at this rate. lol do better Mike, also.. u look scary af. Someone should check to see if he’s keeping anyone prisoner in his domicile

[@vietimports]

the only things i know about mike from pa are 1) he used to be a republican and 2) he lied about being a lawyer

[@l-y-d-s]

1) he admitted that he educated himself and abandoned them 2) he never lied about being a lawyer, someone put him down as a lawyer and there was a lawsuit about it and Mike won.

[@YoungGirlz8463]

sociopaths

[@_harristheharris]

Why does Mike just lie about destiny?

[@1DimeRadio]

What did he lie about?

[@zeusjukem9484]

destiny is a girls name

[@ludviglidstrom6924]

Destiny is a disgusting genocide supporter.

[@xenon6947]

Tim Dillon is opportunist. Tim Dillon is not the same as Tim Dillon going to hell.