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@lisaw1525
@lisaw1525 Күн бұрын
Lisa's husband, Andy here. Dave Parker was a very good player. On the Juan Soto thing, this reminds me of when Manchester City started outbidding Manchester United i English football. Wages are now exponential, the players win but the game loses now.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Күн бұрын
Thanks Andy, and great points. I could see Cohen becoming an issue for fans of about 26 other teams if he really is free spending. I appreciate supporting the players, but the game shouldn't suffer because of it. I think right now it would look like setting a salary floor in addition to cap so other owners are forced to spend, but I do foresee the salary cap conversation coming up again in the near future.
@rayfromphilly6969
@rayfromphilly6969 2 күн бұрын
the SP ichiro and pujols is a joke. they should atleast add a 2nd card like they did for musial.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Күн бұрын
Totally agree...I wish I knew how to get more people to see this video to get the word out there. Pretty much anyone I've talked to thinks this is a joke too, but I don't have enough subs to get the conversation on PSA's radar! The Pujols and Ichiro are definitely a joke. Another one that I think will come up this year is Billy Wagner. Both Jeter and A-Rod have their SP cards as their key Hall of Fame cards, but for whatever reason Wagner has his Bowman rather than the SP. Not even his Bowman's Best, which Vlad Guerrero and Scott Rolen have from 1995. There's just no rhyme or reason to it, which is frustrating, and PSA doesn't seem to care to do much about it in their communications. I'd just like to have a conversation about making it consistent. Either choose the most rare card, or the most graded card, or a specific set from each season, or just have it open to any of a player's rookie cards (and have each weighted differently to the registry calculations). Any of the above would be better than how ambiguous it is right now.
@rayfromphilly6969
@rayfromphilly6969 2 күн бұрын
great video. My three picks were Allen, Parker and Tiant. I understand your concepts on parker and garvey, You make a solid points to those two players.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 2 күн бұрын
Thanks Ray! Parker is a guy that I don't mind being in, I just wouldn't have given him my vote. I can understand the appeal though for fans of the game from the 70s. It will be nice to see him celebrated in person
@mikeulintz8686
@mikeulintz8686 2 күн бұрын
No Larry Doby ( to include on / off field contributions....would been proper
@mikeulintz8686
@mikeulintz8686 2 күн бұрын
Ok. You kinda touched on him and rushed it a side
@mikeulintz8686
@mikeulintz8686 2 күн бұрын
Again.....forget it...many non facts...great video besides the lack of research
@mikeulintz8686
@mikeulintz8686 2 күн бұрын
I think it was Billy Martin who lead his team, bats in hand, to defend Jeff Burroughs...then the #GoTribe hit the field to defend the Rangers
@ceciljustice7283
@ceciljustice7283 2 күн бұрын
Thank you so much Brutus for all you done this year. I think people need to really rethink about signing a guy that is still like you say it's in his prime. To me if you're going to really do that then you got to evaluate them when they're like 18 or 19 years old or even 21 for that matter. You're right about Dick Allen, we had too many Hall of famers go in posthumously and that really needs to stop. These guys need to be around to enjoy the fruits of their labor. And I'm very grateful that Dave Parker is in the Hall of fame. Yes he does not have the sabermetric statistics light the computer guys but he still have the traditional statistics. Hitting 290 batting average, 339 home runs, phone just 7 r bi is shy of 1500 I'm nearly 200 plus hits away from 3000 career. Of course he didn't put it together for such a long time due to his drug involvement back in the 80s but like I said on several other channels if we're going to excuse Dave Parker for drug habits then we need to bring up Tim raines because he too was involved in the drug scandal and Keith Hernandez should also be in this conversation.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 2 күн бұрын
Thanks for the kind words, and for continuing to tune in! Great points, but i think the main difference with Raines and Hernandez vs Parker is that those two players continued to perform even while using drugs. Other guys like Parker (and Strawberry or Gooden) couldn't live that lifestyle and continue to play well too. It's not so much the drug use that was the problem as it was the negative impact on the field
@ceciljustice7283
@ceciljustice7283 2 күн бұрын
@brutusonbaseball I agree. I just thought their name should also be pulled in even though doc, strawberry and porker didn't maintain it
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 2 күн бұрын
@@ceciljustice7283 they're definitely part of the conversation
@big8dog887
@big8dog887 2 күн бұрын
I think you nailed it. While Parker definitely had some issues with the fans, due mostly to underperformance when he got into the drugs, I do think his peers generally liked him, and now that his health is failing, there is a sentimental feeling to get him in while he's alive. (The recent passing of fellow Cincinnati native Pete Rose also probably plays into that.) I wouldn't have a major problem with a salary cap, on two conditions. 1) There also has to be a salary floor, and 2) the cap should have a "Larry Bird" rule allowing teams to go over to retain players they already have.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 2 күн бұрын
Yeah I think Cohen will force the conversations to change among the owners. Like you said, I could live with a cap as long as there was a floor too, and that the cap escalates reasonably. Having an exemption for home grown players would be interesting, but I could see abuse of that system if a team spends a bunch the year before and then has an excuse when their star player needs to be extended. I'm sure there's ways to tighten the loopholes though
@tvcdboombox1
@tvcdboombox1 2 күн бұрын
Thanks for posting. I agree 100% about Dave Parker and especially about Dick Allen. Great, great player who didn’t put up with a lot of BS but who was absolutely one of the best of his era and, according to teammates, a good guy in the clubhouse.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 2 күн бұрын
Agreed all around, Allen was not portrayed by the media in a great light, but ask his teammates and they all seem to have nothing but great things to say about him. Just too bad he didn't get in last time when he could have enjoyed it
@big8dog887
@big8dog887 3 күн бұрын
Results are in: Dick Allen, as we all seem to agree on, has made it. The other selection was Dave Parker. Parker isn't an awful pick, but for fun let's compare him with another outfielder who we'll call "?" Years Played: Parker: 1973-1991; "?": 1976-1993 MVP Awards: Parker: 1; "?"; 2 All-Star Games: Parker: 7; "?" 7 Gold Gloves: Parker: 3 (in RF); ??": 5 (in CF) Home Runs: Parker: 339; "?" 398 Stolen Bases: Parker: 154 (in 267 attempts); "?" 161 (in 229 attempts) OPS+: Parker: 121; "?" 121 WAR: Parker: 40.1; "?" 46.5 # of seasons with WAR above 4: Parker: 5; "?" 6 # of seasons with WAR above 5: Parker 4: "?" 6 # of seasons with WAR above 6: Parker 4: "?" 4 # of seasons with WAR above 7: Parker 2: "?" 2 Career high WAR: Parker 7.4: "?" 7.7 "?" had five seasons with more home runs than Parker's career high of 34. He also hit more home runs on the road if you want to argue park effect. Parker did outhit "?" 290-265, but "?" made up for it with a 346-339 edge in OPB. Parker had a 1493-1143 edge in RBI, but he also generally played in much better lineups. Parker had some off-field issues: "?" was a Clemente Award winner and generally regarded as the nicest, most wholesome player in the game. Dale Murphy's Hall of Fame case has just skyrocketed. Of course, there's a certain logic that if we're going to take credit away from guys who put substances into their body which helped their game, we should give extra credit to guys who used substances that hurt it.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 3 күн бұрын
Parker isn't an awful pick, especially given his peak. I wouldn't have given him one of my three votes, but there are certainly a handful of players already in with similar careers. You're right too, with him in it definitely helps Murphy's case. That seems to be happening a lot lately with the veteran's committees electing guys that bring the average down and allow for other guys to have a clearer path. It's interesting, kind of the opposite from the conversations that usually happen with the writer's ballot. I've heard of people wanting to give Murphy extra credit for being a great human and playing the right way...but i think this is the first time I've heard the argument to give a guy credit for what he could have done had he not helped to ruin the prime of his career!
@tomlangley6236
@tomlangley6236 3 күн бұрын
My Son bought a shoebox of 80s-90s junk wax at a garage sale and the no name Frank Thomas was in it.........The thing wrong though is some kid back in the day took it upon himself to very badly scribble the name in the blank box!
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 3 күн бұрын
That's crazy, rare find! Thinking as a kid would, it totally makes sense to just write in the name if it's missing!
@tonymoretti2347
@tonymoretti2347 5 күн бұрын
What If?... Spider-Man kept his cosmic powers
@tonymoretti2347
@tonymoretti2347 5 күн бұрын
What If Gwen Stacey lived
@tonymoretti2347
@tonymoretti2347 5 күн бұрын
What IF... Spider-Man joined the Fantastic Four
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 5 күн бұрын
Great question...as a replacement or add on?
@tonymoretti2347
@tonymoretti2347 5 күн бұрын
@brutusonbaseball as per issue 1 as a add on
@tonymoretti2347
@tonymoretti2347 5 күн бұрын
This era sucks The end
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 5 күн бұрын
Valid point for sure
@uncletrick1
@uncletrick1 9 күн бұрын
The latest format sucks. Too many second place teams in contention.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 9 күн бұрын
I totally agree. I know that MLB and the owners won't be going back to fewer playoff teams, but it should be much harder for the lowest seed teams to make it through to the playoffs. I made the video linked below last year with some thoughts on how I would change the playoff structure, but I still think it holds true even after 2024 featured #1 vs. #1 in the World Series. Watch and let me know what you think! kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zn2nf6mimJqsd7s
@ositofreitas
@ositofreitas 10 күн бұрын
Longevity does matter, this isn't the NFL. You are overvaluing WAR due to great peaks and undervaluing the two most deserving players in Dave Parker and Steve Garvey.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 9 күн бұрын
I totally get that, thanks for adding your thoughts! Some folks value higher peaks, while others value longevity. I've always considered myself somewhere in the middle, I think being one of the best for a 5 or 7 year span is important, but I also think playing 20 seasons is a huge benefit. Where I differ though, and why I don't support Parker or Garvey as much, is that if you do play for 20 seasons you should at least not be a detriment to your team for the last 5 to 7. That's why I think some of these players didn't get the support, they faded too quickly after age 30 and hung on for too long at that lower level of play.
@ositofreitas
@ositofreitas 9 күн бұрын
@ What? Dave Parker had a resurgence with the Reds. At 34 and 35, finished 2nd and 5th in the MVP voting. Led the league in total bases both those years. Then had 97 RBIs at 38 . Thats a dropoff? Garvey had over 200 hits twice after 30. Garvey also hit .338 in the post season with 11HRs and 31 RBIs.
@dianeolson-salmon8907
@dianeolson-salmon8907 12 күн бұрын
If Jasmin keeps up her baseball acumen, she would be a baseball announcer!
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 12 күн бұрын
That's been her "dream job" recently. Either that or a lawyer...I think baseball announcer is way cooler.
@dianeolson-salmon8907
@dianeolson-salmon8907 12 күн бұрын
@brutusonbaseball being a baseball announcer would be the ultimate, and Jasmin already has a great start.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 12 күн бұрын
@dianeolson-salmon8907 For sure
@big8dog887
@big8dog887 13 күн бұрын
Seems like Jasmine has grown quite a bit in the last several months. Since she's the go-to in the family for predictions, where does she think the A's and the Rays will ultimately end up?
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 13 күн бұрын
She keeps doing that and doesn't seem to want to stop! That is a great question, I will put it to her when she gets home today and update the world with her predictions. I recall we had a great conversation previously on the most likely homes for expansion teams in the future, perhaps it would be a great time to develop that concept with the current context in mind
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 5 күн бұрын
Forgot to follow up on this, but I checked in with Jasmin last weekend on her thoughts on this one. Of course, I had to explain the backstory a bit, but after that she had some clear thoughts. The A's are going to end up in Vegas, very little hesitation from her on that one (and this was before the most recent stadium announcement in the last couple days). The Rays she's not so optimistic about staying in Tampa (or St Pete for that matter). Apparently she thinks there's bad blood brewing there, and the Rays will be calling Nashville home before the end of the decade. You heard it here first!
@big8dog887
@big8dog887 5 күн бұрын
@@brutusonbaseball Sounds logical. Almost too logical for the Manfred era.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 5 күн бұрын
@big8dog887 the laws of the universe would suggest that even one logical thing would have to come from Manfred, even if it wasn't planned
@big8dog887
@big8dog887 5 күн бұрын
@@brutusonbaseball The laws of the universe... wow, somebody let that Neil DeGrasse Tyson comment I made a while back go to their head, LOL.
@SillyBigfoot
@SillyBigfoot 18 күн бұрын
Nice Shirt 😂😂
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 18 күн бұрын
Thank you, one of my favorites! I've been waiting to break it out for a video, but figured this was a good one to start with since it'll be a lot of Dodger fans watching
@big8dog887
@big8dog887 17 күн бұрын
@@brutusonbaseball Jesus Montero was a top catching prospect in the Yankees organization, hitting .328 with 4 homers in 18 games with the Yankees in 2011. But then they traded him to the Mariners that offseason, and he was never the same. No word on whether Jesus held a grudge. Interestingly the only player in the history of the Yankees with that name. (Unless you want to count Ivan DeJesus, who played 7 games there in 1986.)
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 17 күн бұрын
I am quite shocked he's the only one in the team's history. He was supposed to be quite the prospect, perhaps he still holds a grudge...
@big8dog887
@big8dog887 17 күн бұрын
@@brutusonbaseball Not quite as shocking as the fact the Jesus Colome, who had 341 relief appearances from 2001-2010, mostly with (ironically) the Devil Rays, holds the all-time "Jesus Saves" record. Only six.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 17 күн бұрын
That is hilarious...and really MUST become a thing with some relief pitcher in the future
@jacobsill9051
@jacobsill9051 18 күн бұрын
Great presentation Brutus.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 18 күн бұрын
Thank you my friend, appreciate you watching!
@torreselmonte1
@torreselmonte1 19 күн бұрын
El Tiante 🇨🇺🇨🇺🇨🇺
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 19 күн бұрын
@@torreselmonte1 agreed!
@ceciljustice7283
@ceciljustice7283 19 күн бұрын
That's pretty good Brutus but you forgot the relief pitcher of the dodgers even though they will not include him
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 19 күн бұрын
Which guy is that?
@ceciljustice7283
@ceciljustice7283 19 күн бұрын
@brutusonbaseball I know he has some poor postseason statistics but to me he's a dodger when his career is over and that is kenley Jansen. Also agreed that Vin Scully what's one of the greatest commentators in the history of dodgers who was not mention. But it's okay, mistakes happen. Overall you did a really good job on the dodgers history in baseball
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 19 күн бұрын
@ceciljustice7283 i figured that's who you were talking about. It's tough to analyze relievers, and there's quite a few like Kimbrel, Jansen and Chapman. Tough to evaluate them before they're done, but they will all be in the conversation when the time comes
@williamhild1793
@williamhild1793 19 күн бұрын
My favorite Dodger team was 1977. Ron Cey Steve Garvey, Reggie Smith, and Dusty Baker all hit 30 or more home runs. Their outfield of Dusty Baker (LF), Rick Monday (CF), and Reggie Smith (RF) was really neat, although Rick Monday had a injury-laden down year, after having hit 32 homeruns the year before with The Cubs.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 19 күн бұрын
Great team and a lot of fun to watch. I'm a huge fan of Reggie Smith in particular
@big8dog887
@big8dog887 19 күн бұрын
No mention of Vin Scully? The Dodgers are probably known as being the preeminent team for ethnic appeal. Jackie Robinson is obvious, but they also had the biggest Jewish superstar of his era (Sandy Koufax), the first star that the Mexican community latched onto (Fernando Valenzuela) and the pitcher who started a wave of Japanese players to the majors which continues to this day (Hideo Nomo). Fun fact: It was the Dodgers-Giants rivalry which produced Leo Durocher's famous "Nice guys finish last" quote. He was referring to Giants manager Mel Ott. Is it just me or do the Dodgers seem to have whiter uniforms than everyone else's? Three popes have visited Yankee Stadium, just saying. 😁
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 19 күн бұрын
Great points as always, I could see the same arguments you made about the Dodgers being pioneers for including other cultures in the game, but it wasn't clear enough to me while making the script to emphasize it as a theme. Thanks for pointing it out! I also haven't been talking about announcers at all in these team histories, so I can blame my previous templates for leaving out perhaps the best of all time. Popes and Jesus don't really jive all that well either...just sayin'.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 19 күн бұрын
And I totally agree, Dodger white is another level of white
@helmetsnhashmarks
@helmetsnhashmarks 23 күн бұрын
Great video. New Subscriber
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 23 күн бұрын
@@helmetsnhashmarks amazing, glad to hear you enjoyed it!
@ceciljustice7283
@ceciljustice7283 24 күн бұрын
Good afternoon Brutus, I've been keeping track on of your predictions from Major League baseball. Here are the results: CY young predicted nominee: Zack Wheeler MVP predicted nominees: Aaron judge Juan Soto Shohei ohtani Team predictions in the playoffs: Houston Astros Cleveland guardians New York Yankees Baltimore Orioles Philadelphia Phillies San Diego Padres Los Angeles dodgers The winner of the 2024 world series: The Los Angeles dodgers
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 23 күн бұрын
Very cool, thanks for tracking! I think I missed a whole lot this year...will be going through it next weekend after the award announcements!
@mikeroya
@mikeroya 25 күн бұрын
How messed up is PSA that didn't recognize the error That's why I always buy from Beckett
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 25 күн бұрын
@mikeroya i know right? What else is their research department really for?
@boxingologyl.l.c.367
@boxingologyl.l.c.367 29 күн бұрын
I have a 1998 Topps Mets pitcher john Franco upside down front and the name David justice on there mint condition and seems like there’s no other cards of its kind around even on sets- I send it to get graded recent would this card be worth something big ?
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 24 күн бұрын
That sounds like a pretty crazy card! This kind of question has been one of the most common on this video...and unfortunately it's not likely to be worth much. Cards that have the wrong or missing front/back are typically considered flawed cards rather than error cards. Flawed cards are a mistake during the printing process itself rather than a specific error version that is later corrected and has a specific second version. Flawed cards just don't have as much of a market as error cards do
@jsd795
@jsd795 Ай бұрын
All I can say is that I wish Bill James would have nerded out on something other than baseball. His influence on the game has been as negative as PED's or the juiced ball. As the old saying goes "think long think wrong".
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball 24 күн бұрын
Interesting thought here. I don't typically agree with folks that dismiss analytics as useless, otherwise why would the teams and MLB themselves have all embraced it by now. But this is different, and I agree with you that the rise of analytics has drastically changed the game to one of probabilities, velocities and launch angles, which has produced the three true outcomes era where the game is not as interesting as it used to be. I do hope that MLB figures out ways to bring back parts of the old game
@jsd795
@jsd795 23 күн бұрын
@@brutusonbaseball I could go on a rant about everything with the modern game but I won't. What I will say is just go back and watch several games from the 70's and 80's and draw your own conclusions as to which product is better and more entertaining. BTW before someone comes with the typical "OK Boomer" remark my parents are barely old enough to fit that category much less myself.
@nicksorbello6224
@nicksorbello6224 Ай бұрын
Great video! If Tiant gets in, do you see a case for Vida Blue down the line?
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Ай бұрын
Those two guys are pretty close at first glance in traditional stats, but I just don't see Vida Blue getting the same level of support as Tiant. Tiant had a lot more of his value spread out over his career than Blue, who instead had some stellar seasons at his peak but not as much value outside of those. Although their wins, ERA and WHIP are close, their actual value is incredibly far apart with Tiant having 35/65 for WAA/WAR, while Blue had 15/45. Huge difference there, and whether you like WAA/WAR or not, the voters are paying a lot more attention to it when evaluating players. I'd have to dig a lot more into the calculations to find out why their WAA/WAR numbers are so different, but at first glance you notice that Tiant had better strikeout and walk rates compared to Blue. The difference in wild pitches is also pretty crazy with Blue having 103 in his career against only 27 for Tiant. Tiant's ERA+ is slightly better, and their FIPs are very close, so it would be interesting to see what exactly makes up the huge difference in WAA/WAR numbers!
@Vintage_Dave_T
@Vintage_Dave_T Ай бұрын
Love your analysis. I think the committee will be playing catch-up with Negro League candidates, so I see one of those going in. I think there are committee members that will be small Hall guys and some that will use all three votes. Let’s say an average voting rate of 2. Therefore, I think one NL and one other candidate will get in. I agree that it will likely be Richie Allen. Good stuff. Thx for sharing.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Ай бұрын
Thanks Dave, and couldn't agree more. I see either one or two getting in, with Allen and one of the NeL guys being the most likely.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Ай бұрын
Tell me in the comments who you would vote for on this Classic Era ballot! And do me a favor...you don't have to unsubscribe just because you're a Steve Garvey fan.
@davidcollison8973
@davidcollison8973 Ай бұрын
You gotta have the Cobra and El Tiante.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Ай бұрын
At the very least they should be enshrined in the Nickname Hall of Fame!
@big8dog887
@big8dog887 Ай бұрын
Agree on Allen and Tiant. Won't argue against Donaldson, but here's something to consider. There are a lot of players from the 1800s in the HOF who are in, not because they were great players, but because they were pioneers, they did something that was never done before which fundamentally changed the game's history. I think we do a disservice to future generations by limiting that role to that era, which is why I would vote for Tommy John (who also has a reasonable case otherwise.)
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Ай бұрын
I really like this perspective. For a sport full of traditionalists that don't like change, it's important to accept that there have been advances (and therefore pioneers) in every generation of the game. Tommy John would certainly be one of these.
@big8dog887
@big8dog887 Ай бұрын
​@@brutusonbaseballYeah, I read a book where the author essentially made this point in arguing for three players, John being one of them. The other two were Curt Flood (who essentially sacrificed his career to eventually bring about free agency), and Lefty O'Doul (for his role in popularizing the game in Japan, as well as his insane minor league success.) Speaking of Japan, I'm still going to die on the hill that Sadaharu Oh should be enshrined. Without Oh, there is no Ichiro or Ohtani.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Ай бұрын
I can totally get behind John and Flood for this exact reason. O'Doul is an interesting case because there hasn't been a lot of recognition by the Hall (that I'm aware of) for growing the game outside North America (refer to Sadaharu Oh). Please correct me if I'm wrong, but is sounds very MLBish to ignore the importance of growing the game overseas!
@big8dog887
@big8dog887 Ай бұрын
@brutusonbaseball Closest thing I can think of is the fact that Al Spalding's plaque mentions the world tour he promoted, but that's hardly the reason he's in the Hall of Fame.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Ай бұрын
He sure did a lot for early baseball, but agree that his international tours are often overlooked
@mikethesportshistorycollec1947
@mikethesportshistorycollec1947 Ай бұрын
Wow, Garey didn't have much value with the glove at 1b? As a Dodger fan growing up in the 60's and 70's, I can tell you he saved a heck of a lot of errors on bad throws from the other infielders, which also saved runs. It's the difference between looking at modern metrics and actually seeing a player play. With that said, I would take Keith Hernandez before Garvey because Keith was the best 1b of all time in my book, but Garvey deserves to be in.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Ай бұрын
First off, I want to say thanks for watching and participating. That's the main thing that makes this channel fun for me. This is always a tough one though, because you're right...I didn't really watch Garvey play much. Especially in his "day". And I'm sure you're right, at the time you watched him he probably saved a lot of runs by picking some bad throws. But I also hesitate to go off of memory and perception alone when the data is available too. Total Zone Rating shows Garvey at +25 runs before age 29 with the Dodgers, and -25 runs after 30 with the Dodgers and Padres. Some really bad years toward the end. That means he was a decent fielder that had some plays like you mentioned early in his career, but cancelled that out with some pretty poor fieldwork in the second half. Hernandez was +117 for his career on the other hand, including some pretty great years after he was 30. I appreciate you said you'd take Hernandez too, he was one of the best at 1B, but my point is that Garvey could give you the memorable plays he had AND not really be a great defensive player over the course of his career. Both can be true...and when you have a first baseman that isn't great with the glove over his career and only compiled a 117 OPS+ (compared to Hernandez's 128), that's just not a Hall of Famer to me.
@big8dog887
@big8dog887 Ай бұрын
@@brutusonbaseball Garvey had good hands, what he got to, he caught. When he retired, he was the all time leader in fielding percentage, and had a year where he didn't commit a single error. His problem was lack of range, which is reflected in the numbers you cite. But there really is an interesting discussion here about the ability to pick low throws and how sabermetrics reflects that, because that's not really a range thing.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Ай бұрын
Great points, that makes sense why he might be remembered for saving a lot of runs, but still gets pretty dinged in the defensive analytics. I like using analytics to support arguments, but defensive stats still are a work in progress
@mikethesportshistorycollec1947
@mikethesportshistorycollec1947 Ай бұрын
@@big8dog887 I agree. I must admit, being an older fan I had to look up Total Zone Rating. Seems like it can be used to help but definitely not an end all be all stat. In fact, pre-mid 80's seems like a bit of guess work involved. Back in the day (hey get off my lawn, LOL) it was believed, and I believe rightfully so, that Perez, Cepeda and Garvey were all pretty close and should all be in the Hall. Well, 2 of the 3 are and Garvey sits on the outside looking in. What depresses me the most is a lot of times when newer sabermetrics is used and hurts a player, it's left at that. When it helps, say like with Thurman Munson, then other reasons are used to keep them out of the Hall. This is mainly a Big Hall vs Small hall argument. Some of these players were not "hall of very good" as some people say, they were elite players that people came to see. Ok, done ranting, and just hope everyone keeps enjoying the greatest game in the world.
@big8dog887
@big8dog887 Ай бұрын
@@mikethesportshistorycollec1947 I remember that era, too, and I have to agree that Garvey was considered the equal of Perez and Cepeda, and of the three, he was probably considered the most likely to make it, mostly due to his celebrity status. What happened was right around the time Garvey became eligible, Total Baseball replaced the Baseball Encyclopedia as the "official" record book. TB introduced a stat called Total Player Rating, kind of a precursor to WAR, except the baseline was league average, so it was actually closer to WAA. Anyway, Garvey's TPR was a negative number, so among many voters, his reputation went from pretty good to criminally overrated, and his candidacy was doomed. But to demonstrate just how flawed TPR was, it also said that Glenn Hubbard was a better player than Pete Rose, literally the only thing that has ever said that. I actually think Garvey was a hair overrated while he was playing, but since the numbers people got hold of him, now I think he's underrated. That said, there are still many players I'd put in first.
@DaemonPix
@DaemonPix Ай бұрын
I think Parker had a better career after age 30 than Dale Murphy and Andruw Jones but from 1980-1983 he barely showed up. I wish the voters added more weight to the prime years of players like Murphy and Jones because injuries and old age happen and it doesn't make them less worthy of the hall.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Ай бұрын
You are definitely right there...Parker was abysmal from 29 to 33 only to bounce back with a short resurgence in his mid-30s. Murphy on the other hand just fell off a cliff after 33 and Andruw Jones fell off even sooner after the age of 30. I think that explanation could be put toward Parker's off-field habits, but I wasn't there so it's a bit of speculation. I do struggle with this sometimes, I like to have my Hall of Famers have good peaks but also have some longevity. I've always been on the fence for all three of these guys, and I could take them or leave them out and I wouldn't raise a huge fuss. Andruw was a WAY better defensive player (which is why his WAR is much higher as his offensive value was not as good as the other two), so I guess I would take him first followed by Murphy then Parker. I do prefer guys that just have their bodies break down rather than guys that decline early because of a lack of effort or poor choices.
@williamhild1793
@williamhild1793 Ай бұрын
All were great players, but I only see Dick Allen as being that special "elite" that makes a Hall Of Famer.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Ай бұрын
I can totally see that perspective, depending on how big you think the Hall should be. The Classic Era has been picked pretty clean by now.
@---zc4qt
@---zc4qt Ай бұрын
I am sure I have some of these cards. Yet HOW can I find the BEST way to sell them- and not get ripped off?
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Ай бұрын
Good questions, it depends on which cards you think you have. If you have some of the older vintage ones, then they have a big market and you can find all sorts of resources to help you there. If you're talking more of the junk wax stuff, it really comes down to 3rd party grading as they just won't get much in return unless they are in great condition. If you think you have some really good examples, then consider sending them for grading. If they're not in great condition, then they likely won't fetch a lot in return.
@GLynnQuint
@GLynnQuint Ай бұрын
Who won the WS MVP for both of the Blue Jays titles?
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Ай бұрын
92 MVP was catcher Pat Borders, and 93 MVP was Paul Molitor
@dianeolson-salmon8907
@dianeolson-salmon8907 Ай бұрын
I agree with your #1 pick!
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Ай бұрын
@dianeolson-salmon8907 yay! Glad you agree!
@big8dog887
@big8dog887 Ай бұрын
Hard to find anything to argue with. Once upon a time, I would have picked the 1991 Twins, but knowing what we know now about Kirby Puckett, I like Luis Gonzalez better.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Ай бұрын
Glad to hear you mostly agree! I didn't consider the Puckett thing when making this, but I totally get your point
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Ай бұрын
Thanks for checking out this video! Tell me in the comments below what was your favorite World Series of all time???
@limegreenelevator
@limegreenelevator Ай бұрын
'91 was the Twins' 2nd title in Minnesota as they won in '87 as well.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Ай бұрын
Thanks for catching that, it's funny how things can still fall through the cracks even though I know better! The KZbin editing is not very robust, but I've tried my best to snip that little error.
@DonnieLand-h2h
@DonnieLand-h2h Ай бұрын
I have a 98 upper deck hard court , David Robinson then on the back side it has grant hill . Any good ?
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Ай бұрын
This has been one of the most common questions for this video. The easiest explanation is that there is a big difference between an error card (a card that has a specific error and then a version that corrected that error), and a flawed card from the manufacturer. Cards printed with the wrong back (or no front/back) are printing errors that are somewhat common, but there's no consistency to them. They don't carry a lot of value unless you can find a collector for that specific player (David Robinson isn't too shabby...), or if it's a really key card. I'm not a basketball guy, so can't help you there.
@ctcards2636
@ctcards2636 Ай бұрын
You mention grading, i dont trust grading in the least. I did a test. I sent the same 3 cards to 4 different companies for grading. Wrote down and took pitctures of the grade results i got. Then i cracked them open and send the same cards to different companies etc. The lack of consistency was ridiculous. Then i cracked em open AGAIN and send them to the SAME original company for grading. And guess what ? I got different results with the same card from the same grading place. Im not gonna mention names as thats not how i roll. But as a vintage collector, ill stick to getting raw cards and trusting my own eyes. I think its gotten out of control the whole system and the price of grading etc. But hey, some people are REALLY into graded cards and its obviously become the norm in a sort of way. But its not normal to me. Getting different results from the same companies and getting different results.... wtf. Also the grades were like my 1961 Yogi Berra MVP got a 7 from one place, a 5.5 from another and a 5 from another and the last gave it a 3.5 !. HOW IN THE HELL does this work ? So the card is between a 3.5 and a 7 ! C'mon this is a money making joke on all of us collectors. Know when your getting taken advantage of. Raw cards all the way for me. Sorry just my 2 cents, and im sure im going to piss someone off with this post. But hey, its an honest comment im making. Grading has to a degree taken away from my interest in collecting. So its done the opposite of what they wanted it to do. But as i said, there are SOOOOO many people as you all know that collect graded cards only etc. I just dont get it. Trusting someone to fairly grade my card is like pulling teeth.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Ай бұрын
that's a really great test, shows a lot of patience to go through that process...would also make a fantastic video! It really is crazy sometimes how varied the grades can be for the same card, and it shows just how subjective the process still is. Good for you for holding out if you don't believe in it, I know a lot of vintage collectors feel the same way. It really does seem like you've either bought into the grading process, or you've steered clear. I'm pretty deep into grading, but I'm not sure that's how I'll always feel about it. Time will tell!
@ctcards2636
@ctcards2636 Ай бұрын
@@brutusonbaseball I actually did a video and never posted it. Because i mentioned names and i dont want to open up a can of worms using names of grading co's in a video and end up dealin with BS. But i know there are other folks that have done this EXACT thing i did with very very similar results. I own some graded cards. But i wont get any of my cards graded. I just may buy one from time to time if its a card i really like. Like back in Jan i got a 1960 Maris SGC 5.5. Was a good deal and was legit. But other than that.... i have not gotten a graded card since hahah.
@brutusonbaseball
@brutusonbaseball Ай бұрын
@@ctcards2636 makes sense, sounds like a great way to collect