Which is better in 2024? 40k or Legion
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@redspec01
@redspec01 4 сағат бұрын
Thanks for making this video, do you still feel that table top admiral is still the best builder to use?
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 4 сағат бұрын
Honestly, over the last year I haven't even bothered trying anything else. So something else may be better. But I'm still using TTA. Have a great day.
@gregoryhall4062
@gregoryhall4062 9 сағат бұрын
I would love to see this! Personally a re tweek of skirmish would be welcome. It's such a good way to get your toes wet with Legion
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 4 сағат бұрын
I agree. You have a great day.
@imperialniakademiestarwars2493
@imperialniakademiestarwars2493 15 сағат бұрын
Only 10 reason ? I have 100 😂😂
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 4 сағат бұрын
I could come up with more. Legion is definitely the one I prefer of the two, but I also like 40k. Have a great day.
@MajorZero508
@MajorZero508 20 сағат бұрын
As a casual player in both systems, I find the constant adjustments in the 40k rules require more time to learn than I am willing to allocate to it. Also the three year edition cycle is just ridiculous. It's a constant cash grab. Codex books come out as an edition is ending just to be invalidated within weeks or months. Broken codexes on release proves there is very little to no play testing Legion rules rarely change and there seems to be more play testing involved. I like the alternating activation rules of legion, and it would add a great deal of tactical depth of 40k. It becomes a chess match rather than whoever gets first turn has a serious firepower/tactical advantage and the other player plays catch up from then on.
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 4 сағат бұрын
Broadly speaking I agree... but I'm also an artist and I like painting 40k sculpts. Have a great day.
@photonfartsqueeze6694
@photonfartsqueeze6694 Күн бұрын
I can buy every model in a legion faction for half of what it costs to run a 2k list in 40k. The you go I go rules in 40k are a joke. It’s 2024, why does the ruleset for 40k feel like I’m playing a game from 1996? The real question should be should you play AoS or Legion.
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames Күн бұрын
Fair points. I've never looked into AoS myself. If I do a fantasy game I'm going to do Middle Earth. Have a great day.
@photonfartsqueeze6694
@photonfartsqueeze6694 21 сағат бұрын
@@brokengalaxygames Middle Earth is wonderful. Great ruleset and a cheap game to get into. Some of the sculpts are showing their age, but they are fine overall. Many models are just impossible to find unless you go on the recast market.
@btdw-mikecooper3961
@btdw-mikecooper3961 Күн бұрын
Big fan of 40k lore and i play it for over 20 years. Just recently swap over to star wars Legion and i am having more fun than i every did playing 40k
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames Күн бұрын
Thanks for the thoughts. Have a great day.
@Sevearith
@Sevearith 3 күн бұрын
40k lore is way better. Way more people playing it. And the models are gorgeous. Once the 40k tv show comes out, it'll grow even more. Obviously just my opinion. Play what you like at the end of the day. <3
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 3 күн бұрын
All fine opinions to hold. I think whether the TV show is well received or not is really important. If they do something like make the main character a female space marine I'm guessing it will upset a huge portion of current players, and if new players come in amidst consistent arguing among the player base then they are going to be turned off. But what do I know? I'm just some jerk on the internet. Have a great day.
@angelmorales1548
@angelmorales1548 3 күн бұрын
Can guardian be used if the attack is a melee attack against a friendly unit?
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 3 күн бұрын
Ranged only. Have a great day.
@belgerod
@belgerod 3 күн бұрын
Some interesting points, but I do disagree with the points for the number of factions. So with 4 factions vs 28, I'd say even if 28 is too many, it's still better than only having 4. Just my opinion, though.
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 3 күн бұрын
Totally fair opinion. Like I said, I think a sweet spot in a game would be somewhere between 10 and 15. Have a great day.
@devindunn6383
@devindunn6383 4 күн бұрын
Lore: “I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul”
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 4 күн бұрын
I have no desire for any points. And God will have mercy on my soul. Kind of you to hope the best for me in that regard. Have a great day.
@devindunn6383
@devindunn6383 4 күн бұрын
It feels like if your goal is to actually play a game, legion is the way to go. If you’re looking to get into the “hobby” (lore/painting/youtube content) 40k has more
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 4 күн бұрын
I'd give gaming to legion and hobbying to 40k. But lore and youtube content is a toss up to personal opinion. Have a great day.
@devindunn6383
@devindunn6383 4 күн бұрын
I know it’s completely subjective, but I’ve been loving some of the Disney era books. I think the aftermath trilogy is incredible, and lost stars might be my favorite Star Wars book
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 4 күн бұрын
I disagree, but you can have your opinion. Have a great day.
@gregoryhall4062
@gregoryhall4062 5 күн бұрын
Legion as a game is so much better, along with being a bit cheaper.
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 4 күн бұрын
A "bit" cheaper? I agree. But that doesn't mean I don't appreciate other games. You have a great day.
@vasileiosandreanidis2153
@vasileiosandreanidis2153 6 күн бұрын
Speaking as someone who entered 40k and the hobby in 10th, I've looked into the really major past and present events without even daring to get any deeper, only because I know that the story is just a backdrop for the tabletop, which is evident through its repetitive nature in many cases. But don't get me wrong, I dig the absurdity of the 40K Universe!
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 5 күн бұрын
That's cool. I think it is a dynamic universe and appreciate how there is such variety of factions and threats to those factions. It's just a little sad that there isn't you know... a good guy.
@fabianjanisch1553
@fabianjanisch1553 7 күн бұрын
Legion .
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 7 күн бұрын
Thanks for your opinion. Have a great day.
@samsizzle114
@samsizzle114 8 күн бұрын
Just an idea, there are some Mods that can be done to resin printed that allow proper ventilation so the allergic reaction could be mitigated. I really dont like the smell and bothers my asthma but with it being ventilated better it helps alot.
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 8 күн бұрын
I had it right next to a window with a fan blowing outside and my wife was in a closed room on a different floor of the house. Thanks though. Have a great day.
@maneferreira9825
@maneferreira9825 8 күн бұрын
I have just one question. Do you think in 5 years Legion will still be around? This company has a very bad track record. On the other hand 40k has been around for a long time. By the way kids??? These games are not for kids. Never the less good video. Good luck with the channel.
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 8 күн бұрын
Legion will still be around. Probably over 90% of gaming is done casually in people's homes. If you have the pieces and the rules you can keep playing. So in my house yes, legion will still be around. Yes, kids love games and they love spending time with adults playing games. Some kids won't like them but others will love learning all the rules. I don't think that you should jump into the full depth of the rules immediately, but without new people coming into the hobby none of the games will stick around. Have a great day.
@photonfartsqueeze6694
@photonfartsqueeze6694 Күн бұрын
And GW has had a good track record?
@jaegerbomb269
@jaegerbomb269 8 күн бұрын
Game play wise; Star Wars. Franchise wise; Warhammer 40k.
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 8 күн бұрын
Fair assessment. Have a great day.
@elzordack4589
@elzordack4589 5 күн бұрын
Heressyyy!!!!
@MyChannel-tl8ms
@MyChannel-tl8ms 8 күн бұрын
You make your own game? I am trying to make a too with my friend!
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 8 күн бұрын
It's a tough endeavor isn't it? Have a great day.
@MyChannel-tl8ms
@MyChannel-tl8ms 8 күн бұрын
@@brokengalaxygames is pretty hard, thank s:)
@327tharethebest3
@327tharethebest3 7 күн бұрын
i am trying to make a game too!
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 7 күн бұрын
@@327tharethebest3 Very cool. There are tons of people working on their own things it seems. Have a great day.
@tobygriffiths1949
@tobygriffiths1949 8 күн бұрын
I made this decision and went with 40k. The problem here is there is simply not enough legion players to get consistent games near me. But I also disagree with some of your rankings, the existence of combat patrol being a single box that means you can play a pretty solid game mode, making the game pretty easy to learn. I will say, I am necrons, so my opinion on paining may be skewed as they are notoriously simple to paint.
@tobygriffiths1949
@tobygriffiths1949 8 күн бұрын
I also think, when we talk about 40k being more expensive, you have to take into account that the miniatures are simply better, so its hard to just compare, points per $
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 8 күн бұрын
Thanks for your thoughts. But comparing combat patrol to a full game isn't a fair assessment. If you compare combat patrol then you need to compare it to a Legion skirmish game. And if you buy either of the starter sets which are consistently being sold at less than $100 then you get two starter armies, dice, rules, movement tools, etc. for cheaper than one CP. Have a great day.
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 8 күн бұрын
That's why quality of model was its own category.
@h.s.lafever3277
@h.s.lafever3277 9 күн бұрын
TRY BOLT ACTION, OR BETTER YET, KONFLICT '47
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 8 күн бұрын
I've thought about Bolt Action. I'm to limited on resources to jump into it now. I'm going to have a place where I can run my 3D printer soon without having to worry about the fumes causing horrible alergic outbreaks in my wife. So I may eventually print an army for bolt action. But the first one I want to print is a Rivendell army for MEBSG. Have a great day.
@photonfartsqueeze6694
@photonfartsqueeze6694 Күн бұрын
Boring.
@Andrewc87563
@Andrewc87563 9 күн бұрын
The battleforces provide you with a different faction.
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 8 күн бұрын
You mean you can get completely into a new faction by buying them? Yes its just a terrible shame that everything in the CIS battleforce box already comes in the core set. I'd rather have seen 3 B2s, Dooku, a manga guard, and two spider droids. make is something a little more worth buying. But what can you do. Have a great day.
@dman690
@dman690 8 күн бұрын
@@brokengalaxygamesI get where you are coming from, but for the CIS invasion box, the repetitiveness makes sense for the horde army. If you bought the core box, then the Invasion set gives you just about all the B1s you need, plus a Magnaguard and an AAT tank. It is pretty stupid that I have multiple General Grievous figures and the included tank is missing some pilots, but not a bad deal at all.
@Andrewc87563
@Andrewc87563 9 күн бұрын
I think some categories should be weighed but I agree with the final result. Gameplay and accessibility over the best models.
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 8 күн бұрын
Thanks.
@Andrewc87563
@Andrewc87563 9 күн бұрын
All new rules today for 40k so you have to start again.
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 8 күн бұрын
That is frustrating. I'm trying to make my own game. I'm thinking about committing to a "no new rules for an entire edition" policy. Though, points changes may be necessary. Have a great day.
@Andrewc87563
@Andrewc87563 8 күн бұрын
​@@brokengalaxygamesSelling you books and cards is part of their business model. This makes it even more expensive than you costed
@user-qv2uh2pq2o
@user-qv2uh2pq2o 9 күн бұрын
I’d say personally legion is better because I was born and raised up with Star Wars in general. Legion is still cheaper than 40k 😂😭. Both are fun but when it comes to which one is better, definitely legion🙏🏻🤌🏼
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 9 күн бұрын
Basically that is what I think. Have a great day.
@macchannell1582
@macchannell1582 9 күн бұрын
Legion
@andresfmg
@andresfmg 9 күн бұрын
Legion!!
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 9 күн бұрын
I agree. Have a great day.
@thebestplaguemarine3130
@thebestplaguemarine3130 9 күн бұрын
I’d say naboo security give them the police palace guard and a speeder have one of the named guys to lead, also maybe pilots or handmaidens, cis/pirates cadbane with his droid droid commandos assassin droids pirates u can throw bounty hunters in. Also would love a cis flyer like a vulture droid. Imperial army like in andor with the long guns and e11s basically shore troopers and stormtroopers that speeder jeep with the gun on the back riot guys. Ryloth army with freedom fighters those dinosaurs things they ride stuff like that
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 9 күн бұрын
I would personally rather see Naboo than gungans. But I think most people would rather have gungans. Handmaidens could be a good special forces with Sabe as a unique upgrade. Thanks for the thoughts. Have a great day.
@pufferfancyfish
@pufferfancyfish 13 күн бұрын
It says “if you have a face up order token” but doesn’t everyone at some point in the round get an order token so they can have a turn at all
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 12 күн бұрын
No. I'll explain. At the bottom of page 20 right side column it says that when you are issuing orders (the command phase) you place a face up order token. On page 40 in the "parts of the activation phase" it clearly states that you do your actions then place your order token. It uses similar terminology throughout the rulebook. If you are drawing from the order pool they are bound by the AI rule. Have a great day.
@pufferfancyfish
@pufferfancyfish 12 күн бұрын
Ah I see so if they didn’t receive an order token from a command card then the ai triggers figured as much but I couldn’t find anything to specify that so thanks
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 12 күн бұрын
@@pufferfancyfish You're welcome. Have a great day.
@PsychicAlchemy
@PsychicAlchemy 15 күн бұрын
All great ideas! I would love Jabba and the Gungans especially. I also can't stand Disney's stuff, I avoid buying anything from their new canon. Legion is the only thing left I care about because it lets me play out my own stories. As such, I put together a Shadows of the Empire themed army to show my love for the EU.
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 15 күн бұрын
I remember when I first played the Shadows of the Empire game. Brilliant stuff. If you're not a fan of disney canon check out this video from my other youtube channel. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmSUiqSsaaqYpKM Have a great day.
@PsychicAlchemy
@PsychicAlchemy 15 күн бұрын
@@brokengalaxygames Haha, that was great!
@tylercooley321
@tylercooley321 17 күн бұрын
Thanks for explaining AI! That confused me a bit.
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 16 күн бұрын
You're welcome. Have a great day.
@pvrvdriel
@pvrvdriel 21 күн бұрын
You should start a discord server for this game/universe, I would love to discuss all the ideas and mechanics with you and others who might be interested
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 21 күн бұрын
That is one of my goals for the end of this month. Have a great day.
@ButchersNailsEnjoyer
@ButchersNailsEnjoyer 26 күн бұрын
Just saying if you cant do a whole lotta damage to a squad, it’s better to split as much fire as you can so you can hand out suppression
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 25 күн бұрын
I do that regularly. Have a great day.
@brosiahd442
@brosiahd442 26 күн бұрын
I appreciated this. Just got into Legion myself!
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames 25 күн бұрын
If you've got a question go ahead and ask in one of my video's comments. I've got small explanations for almost every keyword now. I hope you enjoy the game. Have a great day.
@zenpo6322
@zenpo6322 Ай бұрын
I need something more serious WarHammer 40k nails that. When I think Star Wars I cant help but feel a physical sense of rejection like cringe that makes you turn off your TV when you see something you cant handle. I can see Star Wars being better suited for younger groups but ultimately its never grabbed my attention and I dont really appreciate any of the characters personally the story is not what I prefer I will admit I havent watched any recent stuff but Ive seen advertising clips but because disney owns it I dont see that doing it any favors especially on social media. Same could be said for WH40k these days with all the confused arbitrary garbage infecting every series like a flesh eating bacteria but even on a table top I dont like Star Wars designs for machines mechs or soldiers etc I 3d print all my 40k stuff now so I have dragon themed space marine soldiers tanks mechs etc so my hobby has only been getting richer for the past 5 years while new games will have players catering to army color rulings for inclusion and the like so WH40k is in a spot where its honestly had the most freedom because 3d printing. If Star Wars doesn't have color restrictions for inclusion and other ridiculous rules as such I guess it boils down to what apperance you can appreciate more both stories are going down the drain from my stand point but Ive never let story be my anchor in anything I appreciate mostly because people just genuinely suck at writing a good story for anyone with a decent attention span and i feel universal about that.
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames Ай бұрын
I understand your criticisms. I also have another video called 10 reasons why 40k is better than legion. But honestly, the aspect about army personalization is something I've really gotten into in the last year since I made this. I am working on my own game with a couple of people. There will be official factions, but we are working on in universe lore regions for people to make factions however they want and we are working on rules for having a set number of "perk points" and then being able to choose from those for your custom faction. If it ever goes off I am hoping people will eagerly make dragon themed marines, and given them the freedom to write their own lore for it. Anyway, thanks for your comment. Have a great day.
@ButchersNailsEnjoyer
@ButchersNailsEnjoyer Ай бұрын
I LOVE throwing comms jammer on these guys then using the raiding party leader so they all get demoralize. Six of these guys disrupting CIS order chains is comedy gold
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames Ай бұрын
That sounds fun. My wife (who is my main legion opponent) pretty much only plays Shadow syndicate. I played them one and then she played them once and she has only ever played shadow syndicate after that. She mostly used Super commandoes, pykes and Gar Saxon (we do skirmish games so low point counts) but I recently suggested she gets rid of the super commandoes and takes two black sun and the swoops and she absolutel loves the swoops so I got to get another one for her. Sha absolutely destroyed me last week when we played. Have a great day.
@azrael1045
@azrael1045 Ай бұрын
Brrrrrrrrrr
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames Ай бұрын
Maybe I'm too old for that but I'm not sure what you mean. Thanks for watching and commenting though. Have a great day.
@azrael1045
@azrael1045 Ай бұрын
@@brokengalaxygames 3d printer go brrrrrrr
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames Ай бұрын
@@azrael1045 Ah, I got you. Have a great day.
@jhsimoiv
@jhsimoiv Ай бұрын
Great video. Homebrew cards would be great. Maybe a rancor for jabbas battle force. I think it would lean more into the aliens and less into generic armored trooper, like range troopers. Maybe some noghri or trandoshan for empire
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames Ай бұрын
Good call on a rancor. I think that the way they should release it would be like the new AT-ST that has the option for Chewie. where it comes with the Rancor itself, but it also has a little night sister that you could have ride it. This way it could be dual faction with the night sisters. Have a great day.
@SpannSr1970
@SpannSr1970 Ай бұрын
I’m interested in this project. I would like to play test and write rules if possible.
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames Ай бұрын
I'm glad to hear it. Send me an email at [email protected] It is easier to connect over there. Have a great day.
@Jfund12
@Jfund12 Ай бұрын
Jabba's Skiff. Put Jabba in a Boat. Or make him an upgrade for a Mercenary Barge.
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames Ай бұрын
I think a skiff could work, but he's got to be a commander. Have a great day.
@JTKcool
@JTKcool Ай бұрын
I love all these ideas, the only problem is they will never make Cara Dune. Despite how much it would be awesome
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames Ай бұрын
I suspect you are right. Have a great day.
@JTKcool
@JTKcool Ай бұрын
@@brokengalaxygamesthanks man you too!
@DefaultProphet
@DefaultProphet 9 күн бұрын
I mean they can make rebel shocktroopers without making a miniature of a horrible person.
@dominicrea
@dominicrea Ай бұрын
Fun idea! Got some thoughts / questions on this project if you are interested in collaborating. Best of luck!
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames Ай бұрын
Absolutely. I have another guy I've exchanged close to 20 emails with on the wargaming side. Best way to get ahold of me is [email protected] Have a great day.
@macchannell1582
@macchannell1582 Ай бұрын
Are you a student or teacher?
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames Ай бұрын
PhD candidate. Hopefully I'll be a teacher in a few years. Have a great day.
@macchannell1582
@macchannell1582 Ай бұрын
Great video
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames Ай бұрын
Thank you very much. Have a great day.
@manofpride89
@manofpride89 Ай бұрын
I smell heresy
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames Ай бұрын
Have a great day.
@ianreynolds7192
@ianreynolds7192 Ай бұрын
I would like to see a boarding action type game in legion. I’ve been working a ruleset and hopefully play test it with my kids.
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames Ай бұрын
That's cool. I've been doing play testing with niece and nephews on some of my stuff. Getting them custom minis to paint and use as proxies got them really invested. Have a great day.
@kageydagirl
@kageydagirl Ай бұрын
Hey, some of us are aunts and moms, fyi… 😉
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames Ай бұрын
That's pretty cool. I'd welcome my wife or my sister-in-law to play with us when I'm hanging out with the kids. Have a great day.
@timfisher3893
@timfisher3893 Ай бұрын
Literally had a mini freak out with each idea 😂 Ive thought the SAME things! Great speculation video! Fun to watch and full of awesome ideas
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames Ай бұрын
Thank you very much. Have a great day.
@crayzeewhorse
@crayzeewhorse Ай бұрын
I swear the wording in these cards are not very beginner friendly, me and a friend were taking it as you can move have a free attack then attack again as your "2nd" action 😅 luckily we didn't get too far before someone corrected us, but there's so many cards worded very oddly
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames Ай бұрын
Yeah, that is basically why I originally made this channel. It is a great game, but there is a steep learning curve. Have a great day.
@Kodaiva
@Kodaiva Ай бұрын
the best part is that they already price them higher than they should
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames Ай бұрын
They do, but they are a private business. If they make a bad business decision then they'll have to deal with the fall out. Have a great day.
@MrMetalpunx
@MrMetalpunx Ай бұрын
I'm not spending any money on GW products.
@brokengalaxygames
@brokengalaxygames Ай бұрын
I haven't totally made that decision, I haven't for a while, and for right now I'm not. I may commit to not getting any more in the future. Have a great day.