Lin Dan's Best Form? (2008 Olympics)
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@scandinaviangooner
@scandinaviangooner 3 сағат бұрын
Seo seung jae and Kim won ho could possibly be that pair that dominates Mens Doubles if the idea is for them to continue together all year. On paper it sounds like a superpairing
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 сағат бұрын
They could, do a Lee Yong Dae/Yoo Yeong Seong
@scandinaviangooner
@scandinaviangooner 3 сағат бұрын
@BenBeckmanBadminton yes it might be possible. Physical strong players as well. Both playing two categories parts of last year. They have at least made a strong case their first 3 matches together
@highsu7124
@highsu7124 6 сағат бұрын
Axselson will never be Goat. why? he was never the best in his own era. simple as that. most of his achievements are benefits from the absent of greater player. such as Olympic 2016 bronze, 2017 WC gold, 2020 Olympic gold. during this time, i mean clearly momota>Axelson not just from h2h 14-1, also from dominant form where momota win 11 titles, while axelson's dominant was no where near, even in the absence of better player momota and few other top player. achievements wise, sure axelson is next to lin dan, but competing for Goat are lin dan, lcw, momota. why? they destroy anyone include second or 3 seed like play vs highschool kids. so offen score are single digits. Axelson is great, but he is in same braket as chen long, taufik,
@squallzie
@squallzie 9 сағат бұрын
Thank you for your videos. I would like to know why the korean mens doubles team keep changing, why is seo seung jae now with kim won ho instead? also, ive read yuta watanabe is no longer moving forward with his partnership with Maya Taguchi, is Watanabe going to play again? thank you
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 8 сағат бұрын
I think they're trying out a variety of combos. If ever there's a time to do it it would be now. Yuta Watanabe might start partnering Misaki Matsutomo, I spoke briefly about it in this video
@MMM-hn2ul
@MMM-hn2ul Күн бұрын
why kang min hyuk and seo seung jae split up does anyone know the reason?
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 23 сағат бұрын
Trying something new I think
@StephenRoe-t4n
@StephenRoe-t4n Күн бұрын
Umpires already had the ability to call a fault under the old rules, the new amendment specifies the service as an attempt to cut out excessive (long) side to side movements of the racket and shuttle before the initial back movement of the racket in service action. It also seeks to put a stop to excessive use of the hand raised to stop a service by the receiver in overt gamesmanship to put off opponents. Both are subjective obviously but the previous law was clear 9.1.1. Neither side shall cause undue delay to the delivery of the service.
@HPSL-qj1mz
@HPSL-qj1mz 2 күн бұрын
Such a well made video on one of the greats of Badminton. Ben, You're really an excellent storyteller❤️
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 2 күн бұрын
Thank you so much, you're too kind. So glad you enjoyed the video 🙂
@NikhilDipake-o5x
@NikhilDipake-o5x 2 күн бұрын
Why you not talking about Indian young players 😢
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 2 күн бұрын
I'm sure they'll give me plenty of reasons to talk about them during 2025
@RKD-jk1jf
@RKD-jk1jf 2 күн бұрын
I am in deep pain to see intanon, pursala , okhuara going unseeded and facing in round 1. It is not less than a horror thought for me as i love these trio as they have produced so many phenominal finals
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 2 күн бұрын
Sadly time waits for no-one. Think a video on women's singles golden generation is needed...to remember these legends and their matches in their prime
@DmitriPakhomov
@DmitriPakhomov 2 күн бұрын
My biggest question is whether BWF is going to apply a more contrast color scheme as I can't see the score in the live streams on my smart TV hanging on the opposite wall 😭
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 2 күн бұрын
BWF and their streaming issues will always be around 🤣
@leroyeadon378
@leroyeadon378 2 күн бұрын
I like the new service rule as it was being used by players to gain an unfair advantage.
@lditmap
@lditmap 2 күн бұрын
Another player to look out for: Pitchamon Opatniputh She had a rough year due to an injury, but definitely has the potential!
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 2 күн бұрын
Yes she has and is a talent. Definitely needs to get stronger physically not just for her game but to make her more injury resilient
@dekapas846
@dekapas846 3 күн бұрын
Speaking of the men’s dominance part, I really do miss monster players / pairs who just bulldoze their way through these tournaments. I don’t know what it is but there’s just something so captivating about seeing making the entire competition their own - like Momota or Viktor and how crazy the Minions were just a few years ago. I hope we get to see this again sometime soon!
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 2 күн бұрын
Yeah I agree with u although after a while u want someone to dethrone them. It's like a never ending circle 😅
@chandangowdaks8994
@chandangowdaks8994 3 күн бұрын
Jeong na eun will be better in mixed than in women's doubles. It would be exiting if jeong na eun pairs with seo sueng jae😊
@StephenRoe-t4n
@StephenRoe-t4n 3 күн бұрын
Hi Ben last point about service rule change is that the undue delay with side to side movement has been called before as a fault with the top Indian MD pair and with some Singles players just taking too long. Recently more disturbing was the failure of a fault call in a match with Christo Popov against a Chinese opponent which was clearly two racket moves not side to side. (I'm a qualified umpire BUAoE)
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
This is what I thought, that umpires could already fault if a player took too long to serve or receive. Is this new rule a way of making it more known?
@rizkipurwinanto4616
@rizkipurwinanto4616 3 күн бұрын
memories in eternity 💙💙
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
❤️
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
So many BIG questions for 2025! Hooe you enjoyed the episode, and appreciate the fact I kept it under 40 minutes 😅 Regardless, here are the timestamps (they are on the video themselves but some people find this easier); 00:00 - 01:08 - Introduction 01:08 - 06:09 - Japanese Coaching Team Changes 06:09 - 08:47 - Indonesian Coaching Team Changes 08:47 - 12:37 - Kenneth Jonassen to Malaysia 12:37 - 16:10 - What's happening with Korean Mixed? 16:10 - 19:25 - Can any player/pair dominate the men’s events? 19:25 - 22:14 - Can anyone stop China at the Sudirman Cup? 22:14 - 28:06 - Can Alex, Tomoka & others back up their breakthrough 2024? 28:06 - 32:50 - Can they make their mark in 2025? 32:50 - 35:53 - How will the new service rule play out? 35:53 - 37:56 Outro & what will I be bringing you in 2025 Right, back to watching the Malaysia Open
@PzngV2
@PzngV2 3 күн бұрын
a doubles pair thst has impressed me is the danish pair of lundgaard and vestergaard as they have defeated some of the top pairs, they might have a breakthrough in 2025
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
Good shout that. Lungaard has a legacy to uphold haha
@dannysiew9618
@dannysiew9618 3 күн бұрын
There was no mention at all on Malaysian Mixed Doubles of Hoo/Cheng that almost beat Huang/Feng (World Ranking No. 1) and Chen/Toh giving Huand/Zheng (reigning Olympic Gold medalist) a very hard time at the WTF Tour finals. It would be good to know what your thoughts on this for 2025.
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
Yes, there was plenty I left out or forgot to talk about, the video would be too long otherwise. I'll be keeping a close eye on them too although I saw Hoo/Cheng lost today at Malaysia Open. Must be disappointed to not bring their best performance on home soil
@Hazim_47
@Hazim_47 3 күн бұрын
Maya Taguchi is the most overrated player currently in badminton circuit..She is absolutely awful
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
I disagree
@reinartes7079
@reinartes7079 3 күн бұрын
​@@BenBeckmanBadminton This might be controversial, but I do think the Japanese overshot their expectation when they paired Yuta with Maya. Other than WJC and an IC title, in WD no less, Maya doesn't have much achievement under her belt. Yet, they placed their priority and spotlight on her. She is the only Japanese that I know of receiving backing and donation from companies and media coverage without actually being in the National Team. Japan has long history of idol culture, and those with good looks will receive country wide media attention. Nozomi Okuhara herself had stated in an interview that in Japan, they care less about how you play, it's all about their appearances. This is likely why Maya was chosen. That's not to say Maya isn't talented, but there are better candidates such as Aya Tamaki who is now two times WJC champion, yet she received little media coverage, and isn't given any preferential treatment like Maya does.
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
@reinartes7079 maybe they did but I wouldn't go as far as to say she's overrated or not a talent. Maybe it was a slight oversight for her to be partnered with Yuta but I'm pretty sure I remember that Yuta agreed to this choice in the first place, not sure he'd do that without reason. Regardless, we'll have to see how this situation progresses. Would be a shame to see Yuta Watanabe misused
@reinartes7079
@reinartes7079 3 күн бұрын
@BenBeckmanBadminton I didn't mention anything about Maya being a non talent. That's honestly too early to tell at this stage. I just want to let you know that the decision to pair Yuta with Maya isn't entirely based on potential nor talent. I just think the expectation people have on her is unrealistic given her lack of achievement and experience.
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
@reinartes7079 I was more reference the original commentator where he said she was most overrated player. I agree, the expectation on her is rather crazy. The jump from junior to senior is tough at the best of times but from girls doubles to senior mixed doubles combined with being paired with your countries most successful doubles player. That's tough.
@Hazim_47
@Hazim_47 3 күн бұрын
The thing that is absolute must if you want to defeat China is to win MD's match, among the 4 MD's is China's weakest discipline..The order of MD's is also gonna be very important The 2 teams that can defeat China are S.Korea(they need to take XD seriously) and Malaysia...They both basicallaly need to win 3/4 because S.Korea MS and Malaysia WS have zero chances to win against Chinese
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
You might want to rethink the Korea have no chance in the WS position, maybe you mean MS?
@Hazim_47
@Hazim_47 3 күн бұрын
@@BenBeckmanBadminton Wrote MS for S.Korea and WS for Malaysia above
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
@Hazim_47 I would say other countries have chances based on your thoughts too, maybe even better chances
@nev4044
@nev4044 3 күн бұрын
Great video as alway Ben! Would make sense for Watanabe to partner Masutomo as they both play for Biprogy as well. Think he said he wouldn't pursue the partnership with Taguchi if they didn't make it into the final of All Japan. I also heard Kang Kyung Jin is returning to Korea from China. Interesting situation with BKA given the current president of BKA who has been asked to step down is refusing to do so. Hopefully more stability in their organization for 2025.
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
Interesting, thanks for adding more info and context. It makes logistical sense for sure but not so sure long term as Matsutomo is 32 now so is LA 28 a possibility? Maybe that isn't the goal for Watanabe. Yeah I heard he had left China's WD department but didn't know where he was going. Yeah my wife has a friend from Korea who said that president is a bit of a nut job haha
@nev4044
@nev4044 3 күн бұрын
@BenBeckmanBadminton Hahaha I'm not surprised.
@nev4044
@nev4044 3 күн бұрын
Don't understand why BWF doesn't just implement a serve clock like they do in tennis. Keeps it objective and allows players to setup their serve however they want to provided its still a legal action
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
Sounds like a sensible idea
@RATHULAVATHYASHWANTH
@RATHULAVATHYASHWANTH 3 күн бұрын
chirag shetty from india may suffer from new service rule🤧😖
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
And a few others
@RATHULAVATHYASHWANTH
@RATHULAVATHYASHWANTH 3 күн бұрын
i really have very concern about japanese team.....once they dominated the world badminton and had all world no.1 position in 5 categories..momota dominated like dictator once but now inconsistent performance from naraoka , nishimoto in ms ,,, consistent injuries to akane and okuhara ,,, mens dobles had incredible run in 2018,2019,2020,2021but now not at all in Limelight,,, paring of people in xd completely going wrong ,,,,Women's doubles had a separate legacy .after winning the 2012 olympic silver ,they roared like any thing Takahashi/matsutomo earned gold in 2016 after them another 2 dominating pairs came more better than olympic champs and then shida/nami came into picture....but now wd of japan simply could not challenge either chinese or korean pairs ...japanese coaches has do a lot of work to bringup the good and guide the upcomming players like koki,miyazaki in very right way
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
Yes plenty of work but there's plenty of talent in Japan. Japan were also blessed with some generational talent all at once. Interesting to see how they progress throughout next few years
@keymouseboard4102
@keymouseboard4102 3 күн бұрын
Watch out for Seo Seung Jae / Jin Yong they’re gonna be the ones dominating the men’s doubles this year. Mark my words.
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
If they stay together...🤣
@wildactm1
@wildactm1 3 күн бұрын
Looking forward to Tomoka Miyazaki's upward trajectory as she is so young. She has a unique style and determination.
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
Not best start to 2025 but I still agree with you
@yorbenpyl444
@yorbenpyl444 3 күн бұрын
Can you make a video about european players and expectations? Would be interesting!
@ivanbenyaminmarpaung7516
@ivanbenyaminmarpaung7516 3 күн бұрын
At the end of last year, PBSI arranges an open recruitment for coaches and support team. Herry IP sent CV but didn't get accepted, Aryono intentionally didn't send CV and decided to return to coaching his club, Djarum. For me personally, i'm quite shocked by the replacement of Indra Widjaja to Imam Tohari (former coach of Momota, Hoki/Kobayashi, and Aya Ohori) because last year Indra shown a pretty good progress for Indonesia's women's singles.
@muiawat
@muiawat 3 күн бұрын
The delay in receiving of serve screams anders rule imo 😂
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
Viktor more like 🤣
@andypollard-p5h
@andypollard-p5h 3 күн бұрын
You mentioned the thai pairing of Puvaranukroh and Paewsampran, but not the other half of that story.... Taerattanchai and Jomkoh. Do you think they will stay as a pairing for this coming year, or will the original pairs be put back together? Is it your opinion that Dechapol and Supissara have been put together with the future in mind, as Sapsiree might be retiring within the next year or so?
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
The reason I didn't talk about them is because a/ they didn't do as well, not really much of a break through and b/ someone from Thailand told me Sapsiree is slowly moving into the media world (she's been doing that a while I know but it's ramping up) So in answer to your last question, I'm not so sure they will be reuniting
@DrEvil-ng7ep
@DrEvil-ng7ep 3 күн бұрын
Although a good player I think Farhan will struggle to reach the very highest echelon of men's singles, something I would be very surprised if Hu didn't reach. I think Thai women's singles player Opatniput is an unbelievable talent and while still young, she can absolutely have a breakthrough year in 2025. The new serv rule is a long time coming and will be great for the game. There are a lot of shenanigans surrounding the serve in badminton that are not present in other racket sports to the same extent. The subjectivity in enforcement shouldn't be a problem IF there is adequate oversight from the bwf holding umpires accountable. There are many sports were officiating is largley based on subjectivity. Ice hockey doesn't even have uniform rules or playing surface worldwide. Something I am very curious about is how things will evolve with south korean badminton. Will they be able to self-regulate, what will this do to the social atmosphere in the national team, will this impact performance?
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
I have faith Alwi can become something. The appointment of Mulyo might help him actually. We'll see. For Opatnitput, I agree she's a talent, has suffered some injury issues and I'm worried with her build she lacks power and strength, not just to play but to stay injury free. Yeah we'll have to see about the serving rule, I just know it'll cause some havoc throughout this year. Yes, I actually wanted to add that into the section about Korean mixed, in fact about Korea in general I have so many questions and the one you raise is at the top of that list
@Arucan
@Arucan 3 күн бұрын
I want to preface this by saying I am a big Watanabe fan. I think that Watanabe/Taguchi pairing had a rough start but showed promise. It was clear to me that Taguchi is levels below world class but she has shown the ability to improve and grow. I genuinely (unbiased opinion) believe that they can qualify for the WTF next year (2026). The question is, however, does this pairing past that long? With someone like Yuta Watanabe, do you put him in a pairing for the sake of development for 2+ years? He is genuinely one of the best and easily one of the most talented players in the world and imo the best male player in Japan. I am perfectly willing to have this discussion/argument with someone but my opinion won't change so it won't be a productive one. Especially when you have team competitions and a player who is as famous and extraordinary as he is, you (and he but I doubt he will say anything because of the culture) want him to be with the best people you can give him.
@DanioniCampiel
@DanioniCampiel 3 күн бұрын
What is the new rule (precisely)? I want to read the text they've written but I can't find it
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
corporate.bwfbadminton.com/news-single/2024/12/17/player-update-service-undue-delay/ I hope this link works for you
@DanioniCampiel
@DanioniCampiel 3 күн бұрын
@@BenBeckmanBadminton thank you Ben!
@muiawat
@muiawat 3 күн бұрын
Oh damn … I’m very intrigued about the coaching situation not only in Denmark but its revebrations internationally
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
Me too
@jackburtonstwin
@jackburtonstwin 3 күн бұрын
The recent amendment to the service law is, in my opinion, profoundly unhelpful, as all subjective "judgement" tends to be. There are almost certain to be howls of complaint over unequal application of this law as it lacks the absolute metric of, for example, having a foot in contact with a court line. I feel that badminton needs to be careful not to become bogged down in excessive laws to control every possible eventuality as this can rapidly descent into a situation where the laws start to dominate and ruin the game rather than serving as a framework by which it is played.
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
Yeah I completely agree, the subjectiveness of this new rule opens it up to differing interpretations and implementations. I do feel this "rule" isn't needed as the umpire has the power to call a player up for undue delay in the service situation already although none never do.
@PzngV2
@PzngV2 3 күн бұрын
another interesting video😁 underrated tbh
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
Thanks 😊🙌🏻
@wilson4019
@wilson4019 4 күн бұрын
Top notch video. Thank you.
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 3 күн бұрын
thank you :) glad you enjoyed the video :)
@rainhard8248
@rainhard8248 5 күн бұрын
"Just stand behinde me, I will control you, and we will be fine"! Such a great words from Lilyana, a true leader
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 5 күн бұрын
So badass 😎💪🏻
@alexanderloi5194
@alexanderloi5194 5 күн бұрын
Watching this video made be remember when they beat Chang Peng Soon and Goh Liu Ying in the olympic final, ( I am malaysian) it was not much of a fight honestly, the indonesians were in control
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 5 күн бұрын
Yeah I think the Malaysians were just so happy to be in an Olympic final. Their final was really that semi. Owi/Butet were in amazing form in Rio
@jimmychengjitming6953
@jimmychengjitming6953 6 күн бұрын
Thank you for this documentary. I get to know the legendary Liliyana Natsir better and her amazing career. Love the way you narrate and the whole storyline as well. Well spend 52min!!
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 6 күн бұрын
You're welcome, thank you for the kind words 😊🙏🏻
@rizkipurwinanto4616
@rizkipurwinanto4616 6 күн бұрын
absolutely impressing clip, thumbs up!!! 👍
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 6 күн бұрын
🙏🏻
@toskiemail1371
@toskiemail1371 6 күн бұрын
Hendra Setiawan also just recently retired. I wonder if Indonesian folks have a testimonial event for him in store.
@adisulaeman3689
@adisulaeman3689 6 күн бұрын
She was the best female indonesian badminton player. in and off the court. simply legend
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 6 күн бұрын
😊🙌🏻
@ivanbenyaminmarpaung7516
@ivanbenyaminmarpaung7516 7 күн бұрын
Sorry for OOT, but i hope you'll consider making a video about something like "Top 3 (or 5) Most Wasted Talent in the last decade" which means top athletes that not only had S but S+ talent completed by good posture, height, agility, etc but maybe lack of mentality, consistency, or got injured while chasing the greatness. Someone that in your vision should have been capable to get a world championship gold medal or any color of olympic medal. I have one name to consider: Praveen Jordan.
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 7 күн бұрын
That's a good video idea. For me the name that jumps out to me is Kenichi Tago. One of the most gifted singles players ever yet achieved far below what he should have. And it was for numerous reasons. I do like this video idea and agree Praveen Jordan was someone who could have achieved God level things. He still did pretty well though
@IwanFuryo
@IwanFuryo 7 күн бұрын
I think a bit luck too in Olympics because chinese pair Zhang Nan/Zhao Yun Lei was in conflict
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 7 күн бұрын
There's luck in everything, but I think even without that, Owi/Butet were in the shape of their lives in Rio
@IwanFuryo
@IwanFuryo 6 күн бұрын
@@BenBeckmanBadminton Head to head was 13-7 to chinese pair It's mean statistically 65% : 35% I think Owi mentally not as though as Lilyana & chinese pair or chinese pair stamina a bit better or something else/several factor. In an interview: "My toughest opponent at that time was Zhang Nan/Zhao Yunlei. They were the toughest, best pair, maybe until now. In my opinion, they were a complete pair, good defense, attack, calmness, and experience. It was hard to beat them. They were ready to play anything. We also needed luck to beat them. If it was with another pair, we could still be tricked, for example from a weak attack or whatever. If it was with Zhang Nan/Zhao Yunlei, if we threw the ball wrong, it was dangerous," explained Tontowi.
@agussetiawan7616
@agussetiawan7616 7 күн бұрын
One of my inspirations to reach my goal in life is surprisingly her. I have been bombarded with failure and struggle. She said that to win the game in the war, we should prepare EVERYTHING to compete and win.
@BenBeckmanBadminton
@BenBeckmanBadminton 7 күн бұрын
That's so cool! She is a real inspiration