Backgammon: Gammon Save (Lesson 112)
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@mariaferguson1101
@mariaferguson1101 10 сағат бұрын
Really helpful. I always ponder when cubing or confronting a cube during the holding game . Dan can you please confirm the name of the book and author you mentioned. Thanks
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 4 сағат бұрын
Thank you. Stick Rice - Holding Game Guru
@bypmg
@bypmg Күн бұрын
MET and Neil’s Numbers understood thank you! But how am I supposed to use it in my cube decisions?
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 19 сағат бұрын
More complicated, I'm afraid. You can derive take points for example from the MET by Risk/Risk + Reward, by working out winning chances at different scores if you take, pass, win, lose etc. Good luck.
@charlespell7762
@charlespell7762 6 күн бұрын
Hi Dan. Great video! I wonder whether you could explain what is meant by 1) Positional plays, and; 2)Technical plays. They come up in books alot. I've looked at the glossary of terms you linked in the comments, but I don't understand the explanation of them. My current understanding is that they're analogous to strategic plays and tactical plays, but not sure that's quite right. Thank you :)
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 6 күн бұрын
I would say that they are analogous as you suggest, but there is no general consensus on meaning and different writers define these differently.
@filyboy7
@filyboy7 8 күн бұрын
thanks for the great lesson dan. i recently played a game where i made four back-to-back blunders while trying to contain my opponent's checker. clearly i didn't understand the main principles governing those types of positions. this video really helped clear some of it up.
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 7 күн бұрын
Glad it helped :)
@jimsav1
@jimsav1 14 күн бұрын
Great interview. Michy goes into this in great detail in his Back Checker Strategy and he also provides a number of "rules of thumb" for when to stay or go from the butterfly anchor. It is a highly recommended read.
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 13 күн бұрын
Outstanding book
@Merdan_Ali_Asker
@Merdan_Ali_Asker 14 күн бұрын
I don't have Windows. Can I play on Mac mini m4?
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 14 күн бұрын
Yes, through Crossover
@carlossalinero3698
@carlossalinero3698 20 күн бұрын
00:18 what are the five roles that take off two checkers?
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 19 күн бұрын
66, 11, 16, 33
@carlossalinero3698
@carlossalinero3698 19 күн бұрын
@@BackgammonisBeautiful Thanks a lot
@10bc-tenerifebackgammonclub
@10bc-tenerifebackgammonclub 28 күн бұрын
7/10 not bad, I though Quiz 10 was simple.
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 27 күн бұрын
Pretty good
@konan-n4k
@konan-n4k Ай бұрын
I much preferred your lessons Dan, you put in some real hardwork, way more just a set of computer generated answers from xtreme gammon.
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 29 күн бұрын
Thank you very much
@Jimbalim
@Jimbalim Ай бұрын
4/10…I suck at bg. I have a chess elo of 1700 but I’m struggling to ‘see’ bg if I’m honest…I’ve only been playing about six weeks but I’m on to my 3rd book, have watched lots of vids and played lots of games but when I play on the xg iOS app I just commit blunder after blunder after blunder and when I play on nextgammon I just get spanked all the time…I’m not gonna give up just yet because I do enjoy it but I’m wondering if I’ll ever ‘see’ it. Great vid though, cheers.
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful Ай бұрын
Keep going - and also feel free to get in touch if you want some lessons. Backgammon is a game of fine-tuning your perception
@Jimbalim
@Jimbalim Ай бұрын
@ Yeah thanks Dan…I might take you up on that in the future…I’m busy working my way through Backgammon Boot Camp at the moment…played 8 games this morning on nextgammon, lost the lot believe it or not…a bit deflated tbh.
@Jimbalim
@Jimbalim Ай бұрын
Great vid thanks…I watched a couple of your other vids before I realised they were in order. So here I am starting from the beginning…I’m sure I’m gonna enjoy working my way through all these lessons…thanks again👍🏼
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful Ай бұрын
Great to hear and thank you for watching
@salisburyyid2066
@salisburyyid2066 Ай бұрын
I’ve never thought about playing 1 pointers as a means to progression. Great idea. Thank you.
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful Ай бұрын
Best place to start :)
@Jimbalim
@Jimbalim Ай бұрын
Great lesson thanks.
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful Ай бұрын
Welcome
@massimots13
@massimots13 Ай бұрын
This is excellent. Thank you.
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful Ай бұрын
You're welcome
@mrswing_ir
@mrswing_ir Ай бұрын
Thanks for your course on backgammon. what is the name of the software that you use to describe the pattern?
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful Ай бұрын
Extreme Gammon
@tillort
@tillort 2 ай бұрын
I'm sorry, but while I appreciate many or your video, this is not one of them. Yes, you explain how to calculate using Neil's numbers, but you do not at all explain "WHY [the match equity table] is useful" as the description states. Just saying that it is important is not the same as explaining it.
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 2 ай бұрын
The Match Equity Table is useful in many ways such as calculating take points, working out gammon value, finding doubling points and many other things. I tend to save these for private lessons.
@tillort
@tillort 2 ай бұрын
Thanks @@BackgammonisBeautiful. I guessed I had hoped for answers to WHY and HOW, but appreciate you want to make a few $$$ on it (and guess I have to start saving).
@lucapini6310
@lucapini6310 2 ай бұрын
I have a question ... I'm a beginner .... very beginner :-) Can you explain to me why it is better to have more checkers in the high points than in the low ones? I thought having all checkers on point 1 was better
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 2 ай бұрын
You don't have wastage when you roll higher numbers :)
@barneymaundertaylor
@barneymaundertaylor 2 ай бұрын
Great lesson thanks Dan. I just blundered in a league match after missing making the 23 point anchor against 12 in the zone but could hear your voice telling me to make it. Next time I'll listen to that voice :)
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching :)
@raymondkershaw8849
@raymondkershaw8849 2 ай бұрын
This rule is not all that accurate. There are six three checkers positions with 9 pips; one (333) is a take. There are six three checkers positions with 10 pips; a half of them (622, 442, 433) are takes.
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 2 ай бұрын
I'll let Mochy know, thanks
@carlossalinero3698
@carlossalinero3698 2 ай бұрын
Nice explained. The grey color what it represents???
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 2 ай бұрын
Sorry, where are you referring to?
@carlossalinero3698
@carlossalinero3698 2 ай бұрын
@@BackgammonisBeautiful Oh!! Forgive me. I refere where you talk about the dice distribution, the colour of the columns
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 2 ай бұрын
@@carlossalinero3698 that shows the negative positive equity of the next rolls. Pretty useful function
@carlossalinero3698
@carlossalinero3698 2 ай бұрын
@@BackgammonisBeautiful but sometimes appears a column in grey. What's the meaning of that grey color?
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 2 ай бұрын
@@carlossalinero3698 the actual dice roll
@banjoemily3852
@banjoemily3852 2 ай бұрын
Great video
@banjoemily3852
@banjoemily3852 2 ай бұрын
Finally an explanation that makes sense to me, thank you!!!
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 2 ай бұрын
You're welcome
@BackgammonFinesse
@BackgammonFinesse 2 ай бұрын
GENIUS!
@rinsim
@rinsim 2 ай бұрын
Nice lesson, as always. What did the GMs play?
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching. I made this video a long time ago so will need to check :)
@Joa8n
@Joa8n 3 ай бұрын
Can you please show positions in 2D? I think it's better to learn in 2d board🙄 in 3d i feel uncomfortable😁
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 3 ай бұрын
I may change moving forward 👍
@petermjarvis
@petermjarvis 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely fantastic video. All of the explanations are clear and concise. Many thanks, to both of you.
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 3 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed :)
@petermjarvis
@petermjarvis 3 ай бұрын
@@BackgammonisBeautiful I tune in often to your channel. Besides being fun to watch, I have learned a lot from you thrugh them.
@matthiasg30
@matthiasg30 3 ай бұрын
With 4 or 5 on the midpoint. Was the spare one the 8pt the deciding factor?
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 3 ай бұрын
Flexibility is central to these decisions, and the market loss in clearing the mid with big doubles
@kdmq
@kdmq 3 ай бұрын
2:35 Damn is this white's first move? XD
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 3 ай бұрын
Real position, amazing
@UnlicensedContractorsHateMe
@UnlicensedContractorsHateMe 3 ай бұрын
It’s been a while. Hope all is well and you’re enjoying your break! You must be at work on something big! Was great to see you commentating in Monte Carlo!
@mikekimmel9744
@mikekimmel9744 3 ай бұрын
The summary points at the end are fine, but I don't understand how the positions presented lead to those common sense conclusions. I watched the whole video twice looking for an explanation. Saying 'as we can see... it's better to do x than y here, whereas before it was better to do y instead of x' does not make me magically able to see why. I assume the tiny, unreadable numbers from xg back up the claim, but, again, this does not explain why.
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 3 ай бұрын
It's about the value or efficiency of obtaining a certain amount of points at different scores. Efficiency is getting 4 points when you need exactly that to win the match. Getting 4 points when you're 3-away is less efficient as you would have an overage or wastage of a point. This helps determine cube action.
@mikekimmel9744
@mikekimmel9744 3 ай бұрын
Someone please tell me what I am missing here: at 4 away, white should double, because if they win the game they win the match. Black should then re-double, so if they win the game they win the match, as well. at 3 away, white should not double, even though if they win the game they win the match, because black will re-double and thus also wins the match if they win the game. In both situations, white not doubling means they give up the chance to win the match in this game. In both situations, doubling results in identical conditions: redouble by black and a DMP game. So… what am I missing? How, statistically, can there be a difference at all, much less a big difference, in expected match outcomes?
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 3 ай бұрын
It's about how many points you need to win, and the potential wastage/overage, which is a big factor in cube efficiency. Cubing to gain full value.
@JCalvaruso
@JCalvaruso 3 ай бұрын
Kudos to Jeremy for taking the time to create this. A lot of equity swings in cube decisions. As you pointed out, the method becomes quick and easy after a few practice exercises. Encourage you to keep planning family ski trips. Thank you Dan for an excellent site - great for learning the game.
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 3 ай бұрын
Happy you find it helpful
@brandontemple20
@brandontemple20 3 ай бұрын
Where did you get that bored
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 3 ай бұрын
It's a Gammoner board, check their website
@Gos1234567
@Gos1234567 3 ай бұрын
I keep hearing the Clash’s “Should I stay or should I go” in my head while watching this 😮
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 3 ай бұрын
That's a good way to remember it
@emilwadjgreen
@emilwadjgreen 3 ай бұрын
Great show
@Joa8n
@Joa8n 3 ай бұрын
At 6:50 hitting and slot is correct because xg wants to go to backgame strategy I'm sure🙂 you hit and hope he hits back and you get 1 to build 1-3 backgame🙄do you agree?
@Joa8n
@Joa8n 3 ай бұрын
At 5:06 you must hit the green and leave as many blots as you can 🤔🤔you must force white to hit you back🙄 I can't believe xg is right😐😂 if you don't hit and white runs away with 6,3 your timing will be ruined
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 3 ай бұрын
Sure, you have three checkers back already so what's another
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 3 ай бұрын
There are also counter-priming opportunities here
@raymondkershaw8849
@raymondkershaw8849 3 ай бұрын
In this lesson, you say that it is a marginal double with a lead of 15 pips. In lesson 55, Art Benjamin says "double a high anchor holding game with a 15% race lead". 115% of 80 is 92, a lead of 12 115% of 120 is 38, a lead of 18 Perhaps your 15 pips advice is too rough? Raymond Kershaw
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 3 ай бұрын
The 15 pip is pretty accurate in these positions and I find easier to remember. I've run it through a bunch of positions. I think it was Zdenek Zizka who came up with this.
@Joa8n
@Joa8n 3 ай бұрын
Very nice position👏👏👏you're so good at educating backgammon🙂👏👏👏thank you😍
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 3 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@SindileWren
@SindileWren 4 ай бұрын
15:50 U confused us here as our challenge is “White to play 55” (clearly seen on your slide) But your audio narration says “GREEN to play 55“ Not a huge deal, but confusing, nonetheless, especially in a teaching video (where clarity is crucial in explaining concepts that are new to the student). Many pause at intervals after the challenge presented, to find most advantageous plays before revealing the correct play. I write professionally and offer backgammon as a side gig, so maybe I’m more critical than most, but I have only recently found your channel and have been impressed with your clear explanations… So much so that i’ve used screenshots of your examples as homework for my students, so thank you for that… ** I do wish you included Match length on your diagrams as at times it’s relevant in determining the best strategy implemented for some positions. Especially when you make a point to show there is a turned cube in play… and match score and equity definitely influence the way I choose to play some rolls, with marginal differences for correct play if way behind or a gammon go situation or my opponent is two away from the win… You know what I mean right? apologies for my wordiness and I don’t mean to be critical as I find your channel to be helpful in it’s simplicity and your clear explanations … so thanks again 🙏 Please proof your copy to assure it matches before posting as yr examples are most always accurate… unlike many offered in Backgammon books where typos or a mismatched diagram leaves the reader scratching their head.
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 4 ай бұрын
I'm glad you find the videos helpful, thanks
@sjsphotog
@sjsphotog 4 ай бұрын
Great as always Dan. Keep em coming
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 4 ай бұрын
Thank you
@Joa8n
@Joa8n 4 ай бұрын
Please watch my game against gnu_backgammon engine and tell me what you think 🙂 I always play in backgame style😁😁this is the android version of gnu backgammon and I'm not sure if it's as strong as xg. I felt it's so strong kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqnWaneXhd2Xetkfeature=shared
@Gos1234567
@Gos1234567 4 ай бұрын
Seems we leave blots to enable the creation of points later when behind,have points behind our blots,weve an anchor or they’ve a weak home board.
@theobarmak
@theobarmak 4 ай бұрын
You are the boss tks for the vids!
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 4 ай бұрын
Welcome Theo
@Gos1234567
@Gos1234567 4 ай бұрын
Couldn’t resist,I went for the double hit in the last one😮.Does being ahead in the race influence safer plays? I mean say we had an ace anchor or two blots in their home board would we play bolder?
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 4 ай бұрын
I would recommend chapter 5 of Magriel's 'Backgammon' but as a rule of thumb: when we are behind we like to hit, and when ahead we like to play safe.
@Gos1234567
@Gos1234567 4 ай бұрын
Nice i always have trouble with when to move out the back checkers,thx!!
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 4 ай бұрын
Thanks Gerry
@Mayaa3084
@Mayaa3084 4 ай бұрын
In the 6th game, if white was in 9th instead of 10th, would Bar/24, 8/6 have been the first choice?
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 4 ай бұрын
Yes, the top move would remain the same. It's Bar/24* 22/20 in both cases
@Joa8n
@Joa8n 4 ай бұрын
Is it correct to hit the third checker in backgame?🤔I think 2 checkers is enough🤔I don't know..hitting the third checker is just helping the opponent to kill the moves🤔
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 4 ай бұрын
Timing is a key factor to consider in these positions
@Gos1234567
@Gos1234567 4 ай бұрын
Good advice about moving the back checkers,was never sure about these.Got the first wrong but then the last one correct due to this tip
@BackgammonisBeautiful
@BackgammonisBeautiful 4 ай бұрын
Great to hear!
@stewiewilliamson1541
@stewiewilliamson1541 4 ай бұрын
Funny, my XG Mobile is showing a No Double after initial rolls of 5-2 and then double 5s, followed by a roll of 5-6 entering one checker on the 5-point. Shows winning % of 61.1.
@stewiewilliamson1541
@stewiewilliamson1541 4 ай бұрын
Extreme Gammon agrees with you : best play to double / and opponent takes