Its not a conspiracy theory at all. Over time and around the world, collections of writings have been written under a false name. Homer was supposedly blind. Blind Harry supposedly wrote "The Wallace".
@James-el6lj14 күн бұрын
Skakespeare did NOT write the 37 plays attributed to him. Earl of Oxford wrote all or most of them!
@maryoleary504415 күн бұрын
Only someone at the VERY TOP of the social scale could have written these plays. Prince Hal 'slumming it' with Falstaff; mocking Malvolio - the educated, one of the Middle Classes; How the loss of immense power affects the ugly ego of King Lear - Only someone very close to the Court could be a witness to this in reality. - The Top love the lower orders, they were no threat...just give 'em a fountain of wine and a parade! But, people with brains and education, the emerging Middle Class are to be feared...because they see what's going on.
@Earl-z3t20 күн бұрын
Shakespeare was Roman Catholic.
@sixdaystheatre21 күн бұрын
Great presentations! One small point of fact, about @3:00 - I think Henry VIII was excommunicated by Pope Paul III, in December 1538. Interesting, now that I think of it, as I see from the next presentation, that is the same year in which John Bale's King Johann was written.
@irtnyc21 күн бұрын
This Bacon stuff is un listenable. The presenter is a serial asserter who consistently fails to gve evidence, make logical arguments, or convincingly accomplish her own goals. It is a kind of offensive, frankly.
@TheTacomaven20 күн бұрын
There was a problem with Sally’s microphone. She actually did give quite a bit of proof but we had to trim some of the arguments. She is a Bacon expert and you can read more at the link to the Bacon Society. Thank you.
@peckerwood607821 күн бұрын
A very welcome addition to the body of SAR presentations. A great stirring will this create in those with open minds. Find that wordsmith Tom Woosnam has really begun to strike the metal soundly, with the tact of a religious focus and the Cultural preoccupation with same being the ruling force by which all aspects of Society Great & Small were compelled through the orifice of Ecclesiastical Homogenization as dictated by Rome. Henry VIIIs' compunction was not greed so much as claiming Sovereignty. Thomas Cromwell & Woolseys' plan for the reformation of the Church is very much key to this crux of the matter. The Queen Consorts of England, Spain, France & Scotland all being in the Thrall of the court of St.Peters was a deliberate stepwise policy to extinguish any breath of contention to the policy of Rome like Constrictors inexorably throttle their prey. In as much as Tom sees King John vis a vie Johnathan Bales' History play as the progenitor of the anti-papal basis for the Reformation, seems tolerable however it is more seemly that Philip "the Fair" in his "Captivity of Avignon" and sizing of the Lands & Chattels of the Templars in 1307 informed Henry VIII properly as to how it was possible to claim ones own "Divine Right". Tom invokes the name of Bale however in doing so does not put the flesh to the bone of how Bale was in the Employ of the Sixteenth Earl of Oxford and wrote not only the Historical King John but as well the play "Sir John Oldcastle" that fully informs the person of Sir John Falstaff in Henry IV and is a total rewrite for Sir John Oldcastle satisfying the descendants Oldcastles' Wife, from whom he derived his title "Lord Cobham" who did not want to be reminded of their families past heretical involvement with such a Notorious Lollard as Oldcastle, which was why the character was renamed Falstaff. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpCylZiorNB0qrMsi=lOVSmqEtUID0wJFq. (this talk really sets up the Lollard potential involvement in Henry VIII Reformation) To truly find the source of the underground stream which bubbled up in the person of John Wycliffe (c13700) to herald the dawn of the Reformation one must look at the first Crusade in Europe and not the one that they want you to think of which was fought in the Levant, but rather the one which was First declared by the Pope in the south of France against the Cathars; granting indulgences, absolutions, land and privileges for any and all that would rape, murder & rob in the name of Rome. (Please see Conquistador ie.Cortes the Killer. Jesuit's and the RC tradition) This is where the facts lead and where any Shakespearean dedicated to Truth writ large must travail. Cathars, Templars, Wycliffe, Lollards, Bale, Edward deVere and his families involvement with the elevation of the Vernacular and it's standardization through the printing of the KJV and the first folio is shaking the foundations of Academia and the powers that be which have sought to erase him from history and suppress the Freedoms of mankind his writings represent. These are broad strokes but the details hold up well to closer scrutiny. Just as the technological innovation of the Printing press destroyed the tyrannical rule of the Pontiff, Bishops, Cardinals of Rome and led to the freedoms we in the West consider our birthright, the evolution of the VCR precipitated the fall of the Soviet Union once the masses saw that there was another World that was theirs for the asking. Our present Iconoclastic moment has come with the "Cloud of Voices" which no regulatory body can hold back if we claim our birthright and say no to internet censorship and keep our freedoms free. Foxes Book of Martyrs, Bales surviving works and the Histories of the other suppressed sects of Martyrs, Dissenters & non-conformists are essential to opening the mind to who and how we have been controlled by - to what end. I can't believe I'm citing NPR but here goes. www.npr.org/2021/09/15/1034745716/atrocities-of-conquistadores-take-shape-in-new-history-by-mexican-born-author
@MAVENdeNYC22 күн бұрын
Are there any sources as proof or evidence of England being an unwilling country to convert, or accept a different religion? @10:19 I would very much like historical based documents and such. I'm not doubting this or anything, but if it is ture it need to be proven. I would like to use this but with some backing and not hearsay. It plays into my legal studies and would lije to defend certain concepts when chalkenged and this with sources would aid in proof of such concepts.
@peckerwood607821 күн бұрын
John Bales work on King John and more importantly, to the Shakespearean Authorship question, his work on "Sir John Oldcastle" are must reads and Further read the supporting work on how Chaucer & John of Gaunt supported Wycliffe in his "Heretical" stance against perceived Church wrongs and how he was protected. This is key to putting the rule of an external system of Govt. (Rome) into the context of how repeated attempts were made in many countries to extricate themselves from their interference. The overt Lollardism of John Oldcastle for which he was burned at the stake and the covert Lollardism discussed in this presentation is critical to understanding. Especially with so many Roman Catholic apologists minimizing and negating RC culpability in the legion of atrocities and genocides not to mention repeatedly preying on their own flock. Garibaldi locked the pope in Castle Gandolfo with a warning not to come out but Mussolini broke him out to help them run the Rat Line to South America where they had been running subtrafughe since the first Spanish horse came onto the beach. Listen to this and draw your own conclusions. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpCylZiorNB0qrMsi=VrbwIE70qZ-SKM71 Listening to a respected academic excuse Catherine deMedici from her responsibility in the massacre of French Huguenots during the St.Bartholomews day massacre made me feel a litle sick to know that there are people that have no minds of their own and will say anything to please their masters. Kinda like the "Familiars in the Blade movies" pure evil!
@johnmurray557316 күн бұрын
It's hard to find. A few reasons. Writings on this subject would be treasonous and also the common people of the time largely illiterate.
@Nope.Unknown22 күн бұрын
This is great! Thank you so much to all the presenters and for the SAR for posting. ❤❤🎉
@MrAlexsegalАй бұрын
This video would have been much stronger if it had noted that an archaic meaning of the word “main” is ocean.
@user-martinpd2 ай бұрын
If you roofed a house with shake and added a spare row, there is some chance it would fall off, full extraneous
@user-martinpd2 ай бұрын
Columns and rows being of interest
@T0varisch2 ай бұрын
The enormous supernova SN1604 is not in the works. Everyone alive at the time knew about it. Waugh's solution to the Sonnets is unarguable, but is effortlessly dismissed. Stritmatter's solution to Paladis Tamia is likewise. IMHO, if this guy is in he has to be part of the scriptorium. We know who VVilliam Shake-Speare was. Great presentation thanks
@apokalupsishistoria2 ай бұрын
30:20 what is the source for Oxford knowing Greek, which stuff like Aeschylus might not even be translated yet into English. Can't get inspiration on these guys from Plutarch alone.
@ZafieroMagnus16 күн бұрын
We have the daily schedule for de Vere's education at Cecil house: it included French, Latin, and reading the New Testament daily, both in translation and the original Greek. When de Vere lived in Venice, he attended a Greek church. He sent Anne Cecil a Greek edition of the New Testament home from Italy. Mildred Cecil, Burghley's wife, was one of the extremely well educated Cooke sisters, and she oversaw the education of the Cecil children, and of the royal wards in their house, like de Vere. Mildred both read and even wrote letters in Greek, and translated several Greek texts. It would make sense that both de Vere and Anne Cecil had good instruction in the language.
@williamberven-ph5ig3 ай бұрын
Of all the alternate candidates, Oxford checks far more boxes than the next nearest candidate. The more you research the subject the more obvious it becomes that Oxford is the true author.
@Nope.Unknown3 ай бұрын
BRAVO
@PetrichorAllegory3 ай бұрын
One of the best lectures on the subject I have heard. Inquiry: Could the "bad quartos" have been penned by say a less sophisticated writer, someone like Oxford or Sackville, and then later "touched up" by Ben Johnson for the First Folio?
@wynnsimpson3 ай бұрын
Bravo!
@James-hd4ms3 ай бұрын
122 likes after 2 years. This should be good.
@DavidRichardson-y3b4 ай бұрын
If we accept the evidence of the ecologue on page 238 of the Old Arcadia, Languet should be pronounced with a hard t.. The Songe I sange oulde Languette had mee taughte, Languette the Shepehearde best swifte Ister knewe, For Clerckly reade, and hating what ys naughte, His faythfull harte, Cleane mowthe and handes as trewe, With hissweete skill, my skilless youthe hee drewe, To have a feeling Taste of hym that sittes, Beyonde the Heaven, farre more beyonde oure wittes.
@ShakespeareAR4 ай бұрын
But he's French, and spelled with one t you would not pronounce the t. It's sort of like the way the Spanish pronounce the t in Merlot. Languette is maybe an English revision of the French?
@resolutejohnflorio4 ай бұрын
what an interesting video 😊 thank you for sharing it ❤
@arealphoney5 ай бұрын
Concerning Stylometric analysis using Edward II as the Marlowe example .... I attempted this and realised almost immediately that there were stylistic anomalies in that work which make it significantly different to Marlowe's other plays, and therefore not a good example for comparison. The language of The Jew of Malta and Doctor Faustus are arguably closer to Shakespeare than to Edward II
@irtnyc5 ай бұрын
Where did Florio want his library of books to go after he died? Unfortunately that critical destination is unintelligible in both audio and captions. Do we know why Herbert rejected Florio 's request?
@irtnyc5 ай бұрын
Respectful corrections to Bonner's otherwise informative presentation about Susan Vere and her marriage to James' teenaged favorite Philip Herbert: - on the "unlucky business" (separation circa 1610) and reconciliation slide where Bonner you assert they reconciled by 1616 "because" their first son was baptized 29 Aug 1617 but that is apparently incorrect just looking at the slides: - on the next slide, citing Lyson Vol 2, it actually says: 1. In latin: MARIA daughter of Philip Herbet count of Montgomery 👉🏽BURIED 12 July 1616.👈🏽 (Note: We dont know if this was a live birth or when conception occurred but note baby Maria has a name.) 2. In latin: JAMES Herbert son of Philip Herbert Earl of Montgomery 👉🏽BURIED 29 Aug 1617.👈🏽 (Sepulta! Not baptized but buried, Bonner. Again just relying on this document and not other records, we dont know when conceptoon occured or whether this baby was carried to full term or lost prematurely.) Second loss. Also, though not relevant to date of initial reconciliation after separation: 3. In English: my lord of Montgomery's young son [NN HERBERT] 👉🏽BURIED April 1618.👈🏽 (Note: this is their third lost baby in a row. NN = We dont know the name of this baby, or whether it was live born etc. Probably not since no name?) Third loss. 4. In latin: CHARLES Herbert, son of Philip Earl of Montgomery 🙏🏼baptized 19 Sep 1619.🎉 (This is the son who later married Mary BUCKINGHAM and then died shortly after.) First son to survive birth/infancy, heir apparent, but sadly he died without children during his father's life. 5. In latin: PHILIP Harbert son of "Mr. William Harbert" 👉🏽BURIED 25 Nov 1620.👈🏽 (Note this is apparently not their son so not relevant; it doesnt mention Montgomery and it's not Philip's son its somebody called William's son.) 6. In mix of latin and English: PHILIP Herbert son of Philip Earl of Montgomery 🙏🏼baptized🎉 21 Feb 1621 (NS). (Note: this is second surviving son, eventual heir, next Earl, who d. 1669; Susan's at-least 5th pregnancy, that we know about, and now she's delivered two living boys in a row and... interestingly right during peak FF prep window before going to press.) 7. In mix of latin and English: WILLIAM Herbert son to Rt Hon Philip Earl of Mountgomery, baptized🎉 28 May 1622. (Third son. Survived, but died unmarried.) 8. In mix: JAMES Herbert, son to Rt Hon Philip Earl or Montgomery, baptized🎉 12 Nov 1623. (Fourth son, survived, ancestor to Herberts of Oxfordshire circa Lyson.) 9. Laslty: Master John Herbert son of Philip Herbert Earle of Montgomery, baptized🎉 2 May 1625. Poor Susan. 😢 She lost a lot of babies early on and that after an already-difficult start to marriage with Philip who was probably an "ex favorite" with some behavioral health issues given his tendency to unprovoked violence and public assaults. Less favorited men would go to the Tower for that. Glad things turned around for her in the '20s with the surviving boys.
@irtnyc5 ай бұрын
Overall, as a genealogist, I would assume Susan was separated from her husband from approx 1610-1615. It is possible, however, given the run of baby deaths in infancy and/or late miscarriages... that the Herbert's reconciled earlier but had trouble conceiving. It is also possible her husband was not interested in his wife, until their sovereign stopped being interested in him? 🤷🏼♂️ I think we saw her father do exactly the same thing to her mother, a generation earlier, with his sovereign (amongst others).
@SimonMilesresearch5 ай бұрын
Let me help here. Marlowe was a mask for Francis and Anthony Bacon. You're welcome. Do not send any money.
@oajillbennett59345 ай бұрын
To tired and I don't know what to say. Be back tomorrow ·
@user-martinpd5 ай бұрын
Thamk you Universoty of Michigan
@tvfun325 ай бұрын
The Six So called signatures of William Shakespeare kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqKcdJiIj9x3aNk
@ToddsBookTube916 ай бұрын
The 2011 movie anonymous is one of my favorite movies. I love this subject! Great video! Such a handful of possible other writers. I have my own channel where I talk about books
@williamberven-ph5ig3 ай бұрын
Me too. I just wish they had stuck to the authorship question and didn't include the Southampton/ Elizabeth/ DeVere patrimony-maternity nonsense. It dragged the very credible authorship question into conspiratorial nonsense. A good movie all the same.
@ToddsBookTube913 ай бұрын
@@williamberven-ph5ig I agree
@ToddsBookTube913 ай бұрын
@@williamberven-ph5ig the fact the movie tried to say he had sex with his mother was ridiculous
@skadiwarrior20536 ай бұрын
Just thinking about how much attention and possibly reputation some people achieve from peddaling the idea that Shakespeare didn't exist-copied other peoples works-was the name of a company. HA HA. some people just need to get a life or, maybe earn a reputation and living by actually producing something real.
@JaneHallstrom16 ай бұрын
WOW! that Dido speech you read is so beautiful. So Shake-speare.
@maryoleary50446 ай бұрын
Excellent. I've always found his plays very cold hearted; beautiful lines but ultimately no real genuine warmth.
@yamiexup6 ай бұрын
This is stupid. There is no conspiracy, just facts. Up to each person to make up their own mind.
@xmaseveeve52596 ай бұрын
Intentionalism at its worst.
@xmaseveeve52596 ай бұрын
'Gender'? No thanks.
@oxfraud91296 ай бұрын
👍 Thumbs up !
@MrAbzu6 ай бұрын
Close but no cigar. John Florio had four dedications from Leicester's Men in his First Fruits published in 1578. John Florio is credited with bringing the Italian novel to English plays. No doubt he borrowed heavily from North. Later Robert Green would complain about an "upstart crow, pluming himself with the feathers of others", thought to be Shakespeare, makes perfect sense if John Florio is Shakespeare. In 1611 Queen Anne's New World of Words was published which introduced several thousand new words to the English language. Several hundred of these new words first appeared in the First Folio and nowhere else in any prior English publications. It would appear that the Great Magpie, John Florio, began a career of improving other peoples plays with Leicester's Men and continued to do so until he created a large enough English vocabulary with Queen Anne's New World of Words to write his Magnum Opus of revisionism, the First Folio. No one else in England had a large enough vocabulary to write a word salad like the First Folio in 1623. Obviously.
@MrMartibobs7 ай бұрын
Just so well-researched. It would indeed be surprising if any work written in the late sixteenth century could possibly have been penned by anyone other than Edward de Vere, with the possible exception of the King James Bible, though even that was clearly based on an early draft by the Earl of Oxford.
@joecurran2811Ай бұрын
Now that was an outstanding rebuttal. Really dealt with the arguments there. Case closed.
@therealshakespeare92437 ай бұрын
Philip Sidney was yet another alias of the true bard from Nantwich, Cheshire and he (the bard) had a son called "John Miton". Watch my video, then go to my first video to get more background information on why I believe I am correct If you check Milton's s biography you will see that one of his wives, Elizabeth Minshull, was from Nantwich in Cheshire , and that his "best friend", Nathan Paget was also from Nantwich (son of Thomas Paget - theologian and his wife, Mary Goldsmith). I have written a book in which I explain that the bard himself was born in Nantwich, so Milton's associations would be perfectly natural if his father was born in the town! You have to disregard some of the dates of birth and dates of death death because the bard himself wrote many of the biographies with his own agenda and he resurrected his "dead" aliases, as their sons or nephews, sometimes with the same first name, sometimes not. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmWuc51na9-mY8Usi=CNZfMTgA1IO7Iei2
@ronroffel14627 ай бұрын
I have some difficulties with this theory. During the webinar I posed the question: how would you reconcile Sidney's position on contemporary plays which railed against the mixing of high tragedy and low comedy and that they violated the Aristotlean unities with the content of the plays? "Shakespeare's" plays mix high tragedy and low comedy and do not follow those unities. It is counter to Sidney's position which occupies much of the content of his posthumous book An Apology for Poetry (1595) likely published by his sister Mary. Here is how Sidney puts it near the beginning of the book: “… all their Plays be neither right Tragedies nor right Comedies, mingling Kings and Clowns, not because the matter so carrieth it, but thrust in Clowns by head and shoulders, to play a part in majestical matters, with neither decency nor discretion, so as neither the admiration and commiseration, nor the right sportfulness, is by their mongrel Tragi-comedy obtained.” This does not fit the theory that Sidney was the playwright. His published poetry utterly unlike the sonnets, the long poems, or the contents of the plays. Compared to the writing of "Shakespeare" it seems juvenile or puerile in the words of Wednesday Addams as she described the play Gary wrote for the Camp Chippewa extravaganza. If you accept the Oxfordian theory, isn't it possible that de Vere was writing about himself in the third person (a rhetorical figure known as illeism) and that the word "fair" may have been a pun on is surname? That would clear up many enigmas about the identity of the "fair youth" who was de Vere addressing himself while he was either unmarried or estranged from his first wife Anne and unable to leave behind a male heir. At 35:06 Quattrocki Knight compares the Languet letter mentioning Sidney's ancestry as being 500 years old. By the time de Vere was active, his ancestry was also 500 years old. This also fits Sonnet 59. One last item: how did Languet manage to write sonnets which were so adaptable to elegant English and not leave a trace among his papers? Just a few items to think about.
@chancecolbert72497 ай бұрын
So, unfortunately, I don't think Dr. Knight is suggesting Philip is penning too much or any of Shakespeare. So I don't think she has reconcile very many of the questions you posed, though Languet Englishing the sonnets is a good good question. I will say Brady and I do have to answer your questions. Hope to have a video on that soon but all of that can be easily resolved. Suffice to say you're not reading Sidney correctly. I have a stack of 40ish essays by Sidney scholars showing most people for most of history didn't and don't read Sidney correctly, so not really your fault. If you want to check out for yourself I recommend Levao, Hager, Honinger. But there's plenty more.
@chancecolbert72497 ай бұрын
Also Ron, for your own sake, inform yourself on Sidney before you overstep. Ever heard of the Arcadia? It's defined as a tragi-comedy. Also "utterly unlike," seems an egregious generalization as far as the sonnets go. AS 1 has the same diction and themes as WS76, codes be darned. If you have some evidence of these generalizations i'm all ears. But as far as counter-argument goes, this won't be too difficult to overcome. Hope to have that video soon.
@ronroffel14627 ай бұрын
@@chancecolbert7249 Thanks for clarifying this for me. I look forward to the explanation of Sidney's work. Thanks also for the recommendations. My understanding of Sidney's work may be limited, but I have the feeling that perhaps nobody got Sidney right. Of all the Elizabethans, his output was mostly posthumous so we will never know when anything was written. One thing is certain; Walsingham and the queen used his death to make him a Protestant martyr. It took weeks for a funeral to be held which is unusual for notable people of the time, though while he was alive barely anyone seems to have paid him much attention.
@Alacrates7 ай бұрын
@@chancecolbert7249 "I don't think Dr. Knight is suggesting Philip is penning too much or any of Shakespeare." Actually, I think she does think that Sidney was involved with the writing of the Shakespeare plays - there was a Q & A session that followed this presentation, which I hope the SAR will upload to youtube - she was asked about some of these questions - and her theory about the plays did seem to involve Philip Sidney.... I think her answer as to how Languet's writings were transformed into Shakespeare's Sonnets was that Sir John Harrington translated Languet's Latin writings to Sidney into English - she wasn't too detailed on that, but that seemed to be the direction she was heading I do think Ron's questions about how Sidney's ideas about drama presented in the Defense of Poesy are valid - no doubt that Sidney was interested in drama, and had definite opinions about literary theory concerning the theatre - I think the question that needs to be confronted head-on: does the conception of drama in Sidney's Defense of Poesy match with the vision of drama we see in the Shakespeare plays, or does Sidney have a different & opposing view of drama? That's the question I would like to see explored & addressed - not so much the question of if Sidney ever wrote theatrical entertainments or was interested in the theatre, that much is clear to anyone who wants to look into it - but I'm more interested in an examination of to what extent Sidney's conceptions of playwriting match what we see in the Shakespeare canon.
@xmaseveeve52596 ай бұрын
It wasn't De Vere. That's a patsy.
@vetstadiumastroturf57567 ай бұрын
This presentation suggests that the Sonnets were written before Henry Wriothesley was born. IT's a non-starter for that reason. Important question that this presentation does not address: What was the relationship of Shakespeare to Henry Wriothesley? Shakespeare dedicates his entire to career to Wriothesley in the dedication to Lucrece: "What I have done is yours; what I have to do is yours; being part in all I have, devoted yours." Just 6 years later, this same Henry Wriothesley was convicted of Treason for trying to overthrow the crown (and obviously to replace the Queen with someone who had a claim to the thrown). His conviction was reduced to Misprision of Treason, and he was released after Elizabeth died, and restored to all his former glory. Any theory of Shakespeare must address the relationship between Shakespeare and Wriothesley. What claim did Wriothesley have on the throne? Was Shakespeare signalling support for that claim in 1593 by dedicating poems to him? Shakespeare dedicated works to 3 different men. All three were engaged to daughters of Edward de Vere, but two of the marriages did not happen.
@chancecolbert72497 ай бұрын
Third was after he was dead.
@ShakespeareAR7 ай бұрын
You have to keep an open mind that not all the Sonnets were written by the person you think and exactly when you think as if this stuff is written in stone. The Wriothesley elements are a tale as old as time but it doesn't mean they are accurate. So it's not really a "non-starter" as you put it. The idea presented here is that Mary Sidney translated these letters in Latin and the poetic "missives" included in them at a later date than when they were written. You are free to hang on to your preferred story, but it's unlikely that you have the info or the credentials to refute new ideas that are well-presented.
@vetstadiumastroturf57567 ай бұрын
@@ShakespeareAR I don't know what you mean by "old as time," but I do know that you are avoiding the question: What did Shakespeare know, and when did he know it? Why did Shakespeare dedicate his entire career to a person who would go on to be convicted of treason for trying to overthrow the crown? How does that fit in with your theory?
@chancecolbert72497 ай бұрын
@@vetstadiumastroturf5756Entire career! You're so right! Totally forgot that Sir Toby Belch is a loving portrait of Wriothesly. These kind of blanket generalizations belie a passion, which is admirable, noble even. Dare I say princely? Touché Vet!
@vetstadiumastroturf57567 ай бұрын
@@chancecolbert7249 Where do you get this stuff? Not from me. You are taking straw manning to a whole other level.
@ryanmurtha23927 ай бұрын
No, assholes, it was Wriosthley and Bacon wrote the stuff, and you know it. And you can expect at least three incarnations with schizophrenia if you are one of the people paid to lie about it.
@chancecolbert72497 ай бұрын
Incarnations with Schizophrenia, sounds like an early 90's deep cut grunge album. And yeah, it's us liars you should be siding with. Those gold brickers over at Oxford University and Shakespeare Birthplace Trust won't send a red cent. We're still waiting on the checks. They got us bent over a barrel. You wanna eat? You better lie. So we lie lie lie and still the checks don't come in. If you come across any of them, let em know there'll be hell to pay, we're hungry and pissed. Trying to start a union so that we can some decent representation. Rights!
@duncanmckeown12927 ай бұрын
This theory has to be a non-starter! Philip Sidney was long dead when the sonnets were written!
@chancecolbert72497 ай бұрын
You may be right. Or 1) your dating of the sonnets is wrong. 2) Sidney is not dead by 86 3) these sonnets have undergone serial composition since their original penning giving them the appearance of having been written later. Try and keep your mind open to this, you'll only be hearing more of it in the coming months and years. Rightly so too.
@vetstadiumastroturf57567 ай бұрын
@@chancecolbert7249 LOL! GTHO with all these unfounded statements! Also, any comment about your buddy thinking that Sidney was both Shakespeare AND the Fair Youth?
@DavidRichardson-y3b7 ай бұрын
How to say I didn't watch the presentation without saying I didn't watch the presentation. I don't understand the determination of some people to make a spectacle of their ignorance.
@ShakespeareAR7 ай бұрын
Did you watch the video?
@chancecolbert72497 ай бұрын
@@vetstadiumastroturf5756Doesn't work when you do it...I didn't make any factual claims. Those are all hypothetical suggestions, which could be found to be false or true with more investigation. Dr.Knight's presentation was lovely and informative. It made a heap of sense to me though she is ultimately not quite right. I have many many many more thoughts on it.
@vetstadiumastroturf57567 ай бұрын
Shakespeare was very clear that everything he did is for Henry Wriothesley. "FAIR" would have been the pronunciation of VERE.
@DrWrapperband7 ай бұрын
Just read a plausible argument that Sidney had an affair with Anne whilst De Vere was in Italy (1776), birthing a son (after her first girl child) which was the affair De Vere was informed of on his way home, and Cecil had the child killed after 2 days. It seemed quite enlightening, and backed up by sonnets Anne composed / translated, as her son with Edward died after 1 hour.
@vetstadiumastroturf57567 ай бұрын
@@DrWrapperband Sidney was jealous of Edward de Vere enough so that he copied his poetry, but I struggle with the idea of him being the kind of person to have an affair with anyone at all, much less the wife of the dangerous Earl of Oxford. The child that was born in 1576 was Elizabeth De Vere. The son who lived for only a short time was a few years later. Anne Cecil did write a sonnet about her dead son.
@chancecolbert72497 ай бұрын
Excellent point! Just like how the First Folio is dedicated to Wriothesly! Or those Dark Lady sonnets, which are definitely about Wriothesly in black face and drag. Or those plays like 12th Night, Measure for Measure, Macbeth, King Lear, Julius Caesar, all of which feature Wriothesly as the main character. GTHO here with silly unfounded statements. You'd have done well to say the early 90s poems and stopped there. But that's surely a far cry from everything.
@vetstadiumastroturf57567 ай бұрын
@@chancecolbert7249 From the Dedication to Lucrece: "To the Right Honourable Henry Wriothesly, Earl of Southampton ... What I have done is yours; what I have to do is yours..." It's pretty clear. Shakespeare dedicates his entire career to Henry Wriothesley. Nothing unfounded about it.
@chancecolbert72497 ай бұрын
@@vetstadiumastroturf5756Lololol see my previous comment. The one about Wriothesly being both Falstaff and Hal aka Halstaff.
@apokalupsishistoria7 ай бұрын
Apokalupsis Historia approves of this Sidney dissemination.
@vetstadiumastroturf57567 ай бұрын
So do you think that Sidney is both Shakespeare AND the Fair Youth? Neither seems likely, but both at the same time are nonsensical.
@chancecolbert72497 ай бұрын
@@vetstadiumastroturf5756Just want point out: One of the points Oxfordians make to spot DeVere is "forty winters," (which yes Winter is Ver in french) meaning Oxford is 40 and there are seventeen sonnets meaning Wriothesly is 17. Well that still fits here: Walsingham is 40 in 72 and Sidney is 17. Remember who Philip Sidney marries. Also you keep rehashing this hot fiery Ogburnian garbage without any real evidence. You got any proof that Sidney steals from Oxford????? And don't give me Kingdom Cottage Grave, that's a response, not theft. If anything you got it backwards. According to your own theory Oxford doesn't pen a sonnet sequence until 93. Sidney was the first ever in English to do that. If Oxford is WS then he steals the idea of a sonnet sequence from Sidney.
@apokalupsishistoria3 ай бұрын
@@vetstadiumastroturf5756I (Brady) have no clue, and was more or less saying I just approve of seeing more discussion of Sidney in the SAQ sphere.
@vetstadiumastroturf57563 ай бұрын
@@apokalupsishistoria I already know your position that Sidney was Shakespeare so you can understand why I would think you are being inconsistent in thinking that Shakespeare was both the author AND the subject. The reason that you don't and won't see more of Sidney in the conversation is that it is apparent that he doesn't belong in the conversation. He is the literary antithesis of Shakespeare, and he was even more dead than Marlowe was when they both needed to be very much alive, like during the Essex Rebellion. I trust you have seen the recent analysis of the First Folio that demonstrates that Shakespeare didn't use the letter J, unlike for example Bacon who did use it in his personal writings, but exactly like a certain Earl, who also did not use the letter J in his personal writings. This finding pretty much puts the group theory to rest, and narrows down the potential field of candidates to just one guy as far as I know.
@apokalupsishistoria3 ай бұрын
@@vetstadiumastroturf5756 @vetstadiumastroturf5756 I think you're straw manning Sidney and my position on him, as I will assert here that I'm partial to the "Group Theorist" camp which includes both DeVere and Sidney - we have videos on this very idea, in fact. Our most recent video on DOP would refute your antithesis stance and if anything, Shakespeare is the spiritual successor to Sidney's ideas - and before you drop the "Sidney Aristotle" line, please watch our two recent Enigma of Philip Sidney videos (or read Defense of Poetry again) that will show you're playing right into Sidney's trap by quoting him in that fashion.
@THEEdoberMaNnMe8 ай бұрын
The TWO EYES in DA-SKIES are the SUN and MOON. The DARK EYE is the NIGHT EYE the ONE EYE on the MOON-EYE or MON-EYe. MON is ONE ... THUS A EYE on the MON EY is what??? Just that.. the ONE EYE on the MON EYe is simply A EYE written AI (Artificial Intelligence). As seen on the Movie MEN IN BLACK the haf to put the ARC-NET on the MOON to be the first INTERNET placed on the MOON that is forever called SATELLITE ONE *"SAT-A-LIGHT WON"*
@vetstadiumastroturf57568 ай бұрын
"Stylometry" is a fancy word for "garbage in - garbage out"
@EVUK-bd2vn8 ай бұрын
Surely(so to speak!) the most open-minded and logical conclusion - until proven otherwise - is that a male and female group or 'Shakespeare Salon' of playwrights wrote but NOT co-wrote the plays, then submitted them to the group for read-throughs, finessing, minor or not-so-minor changes and suggestions - just as movie screen-writers do. And as always noone points out that (would-be) female playwrights had one other major reason to hide behind a male pseudonym in Elizabethan England because women were not permitted to write plays and have them publicly performed under their own names or using any female name for that matter! So I'll continue to broad-mindedly believe - until proven otherwise - that the likes of Mary Sidney, Amelia Bassano, Marlowe and Edward de Vere all contributed their own individual but "willfully"(!!) very "Shakespearean' plays to a Shakespeare Salon or collective - and a Mr. Will 'Spellcheck' Shak'spear from Stratford, real actors, closet actresses and others in the theatre business would also frequently attend the Shakespeare Salon's meet-ups. And much (very productive) fun would have been had by all. I can't wait for a now long-overdue movie sequel to "Anonymous" that reflects and both entertainingly and intelligently dramatises all of the above and much much more besides.. Paul G
@vetstadiumastroturf57567 ай бұрын
So, basically the Oxfordian Theory, but with the addition of extra writers.
@sonofculloden28 ай бұрын
Marlowe died. Early. Also- mathematically - word frequency and usage etc - proven that de Vere was almost exact match to “Shakespeare”.
@Jeffhowardmeade8 ай бұрын
De Vere used almost exclusively single syllable words in order to stick to the meter of what he thought of as "poetry". It's repetitive, one- dimensional, and blessedly rare. There's a reason most Oxfordians try to pass it off as childish efforts, despite him being in his early 20s when he submitted one of his worst offenses for publication. In no world does the writing of De Vere bear any sort of similarity to the works of Shakespeare, except that they are both writing in (different) dialects of English.
@justsoification8 ай бұрын
It seems Florio deserves more study as likely author
@jennyf21205 ай бұрын
I completely agree with you. He is the mastermind.
@josephinemiller689 ай бұрын
Essex and Southampton were very likely brothers. Half brothers. Elizabeth probably had several children.