As far as one on one's only The Battle of Khitomer and the Battle of the Bassen Rift hold up. Voyager's Battle against the Viidians with Tuvok in command was also excellently executed. If it had been in a regular episode or movie instead of a flashback and reenactment, the Battle of Maxia likely would've been top shelf too. Deep Space Nine basically had the monopoly on spectacular fleet actions in Star Trek. Two Battles of Deep Space Nine, the Valiant vs the Dreadnought, The Two Battle of Chintoka, Operation: Return, The Battle of Cardassia. All bangers with different emotions and goals. The Texas Class vs the California class in "The Stars at Night" on Lower Decks is also a great battle.

Thanks. Your take on this reflects what Meyer and a lot of us fans watching it in the cinema appreciated! You have not "fallen into a hole" that some other KZbinrs have: the musical score. I am old enough and was using early Internet enough to remember the "Google early auto complete problem": algorithm gave VERY inappropriate autocompletions but some of which were based in fact. At that time I was glad that a LOT of fellow musicians had spotted something that caused the search term "James Horner" to have Google autocomplete "plagiarism". Don't get me wrong. The score for TWOK was brilliant. Trouble was Horner reused it again and again and again.... and even the main classical radio station in UK (BBC3) made an unsubtle comparison to WHOLE PHRASES composed by people like Prokofiev and Vaughan-Williams. I came to despise him when he spoiled the film Avatar for me and a fellow music fan. He used a theme from TWOK that acted as a major spoiler as to what was about to happen. Since we were at best lukewarm to the movie already this just made us take the piss out of the rest of it.

They dont make them like that anymore...peak shatner. I saw that one in the theater as a kid of 8. I remember almost choking from the lump in my throat at they end. Thank for the analysis and comentary.

I think the Enterprise-D hiding in a nebula from the Borg, then the Borg using depth charges in BoBW really dialed up the tension, esp. with the score of the episode. Starfleet/Marquis tactics use well the nebula (foggy weather) trope.

Yet another fantastic video <3

This TOS episode got everything ST DIS lacks imho.

I don't know if better, but the battle on Yesterday Enterprise also amazes me. The ship can't move as they need to defend the other ship, one that wont help in the fight to enter inside a temporal anomaly. Every single shot also change things, the tactic and the loss of most officers.

One of the best space battles of all time! One of the best sci fi movies of all time!

A brilliant exposition.l always wanted Lyta to escape to Centuri Prime,and live undercover with Zac,who would have protected,cherished ans loved her.

They couldn't come out with another movie because most of the original actors have passed away. That's why animation was the best bet

Really nice summary. I didn't know a bunch of stuff there. Great info. Thanks.

6:27 Kirk can access Reliant's codes because he's a flag officer--Admiral.

The battle for Deep Space 9 in Way of the Warrior is also one of the greats. DS9 had some great space battles.

Wait...Spock dies??? Great analysis of one of my all-time favorite movies. Whenever I hear James Horner's score of the first Khan/Kirk encounter battle, I can hear the dialogue from the film in my head. (Wow, what a dork I am!) Idea for a new Star Trek TWOK video: Where did the star that the Genesis planet orbits come from? (OK, there are a "few" plot holes in ST II, but it's a damn fun movie!)

Still like the battle with the Klingon cruiser in "Elaan of Troyius" best.

Balance of Terror is such perfect Trek, and i am glad its the one considered setting the tone for space battles. I wanted to add, the one they did in SNW is amazing and gives such an awesome alternate, its done with "New tech" but kept alot of the tension.

On nitpick: The Starship combat of TOS was not based on slow moving actions of Captial Ships but mostly Fighter Jets combat. The more deliberate pace and the slugging it out, came in with Wrath of Khan. The slowest combat was Balance of Terror which is inspired by Destroyer vs Submarine. The most modern Equvivalent to TOS would be....the Expanse actually...harsh manovers, waiting and hoping because one good hit will end it.

It’s one of my favorite episodes and I love the Lynn speech. It’s become even better sadly since we’ve now have lost the actress that plays her. She passed away last year.

The shot where the Enterprise rises up right behind the Reliant will, I think, always be one of my favourite shots of any sci-fi film or TV show (the TARDIS flying through the Vortex in the 2005 revived series openings is nipping at it's heals though!). I like Star Wars, but Trek has always been the superior of the two for me, and it's slow, calculated battles like this that make it better, IMHO.

Love Wrath of Khan, but that is the densest nebula of all time!

You deserve more subs. Good stuff man.

I have gained a tremendous appreciation for the space battles in original Trek especially since the neon strobe light clown vomit we get today

Wrath of Khan's finale is a testament to tension increasing the effect of action. Movement and counter movement will always be more satisfying to watch than too many modern era battles, which all too often become a mass of pixels in motion without strategy, story, or geography. If I had a runner up and a worthy successor to TWOK, it would be the finale of "Yesterday's Enterprise"

The final battle in Undiscovered Country is a banger, though also directed by Nicholas Meyer.

Bravo, sir! Another fine analysis.

Still the best interstellar battle ever filmed.

I remember seeing this episode as a kid when it first aired. I was very impressed with this story then, and even more impressed as an adult.

i loved this arc, hope this gets love in future adaptations

It's amazing that the writers, actors and story telling really STOLE THE SHOW because CGI didn't exist and Special Effects were primitive at best but it made the writing, acting and directing THAT MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than they ever were!! It also left much to the suspense and imagination thst made this show SO SPECIAL AND CAPTICATING TO BEGIN WITH!! When I wore a younger man's clothes I couldn't wait for the next episode!!!!

_Battle in Outer Space_ a Japanese film from 1959 seemed to choose something slightly similar in the first engagement with aliens with the starfighter approach in the second wave.

Thumbs up on this, I agree 100%, this episode had me riveted when I watched in re-runs as a kid with my parents. My dad even liked it and he used to trash talk Star Trek.

Outstanding review Couldn’t agree more

This is one of Trek’s best episodes. While it gives a basic tactical story, the 3d mental game is at play as well.

By chance the mighty algorithm brought me to your video. I'd been wondering about the "moment I was born for" scene for years and never found any real explanation. That itch has finally been scratched. Cheers!

There was nothing like this on television prior to this. Bear in mind that most of us had to watch this show for 3 years with it building to this the whole time. Also prior to this the most special effects we got in a show was the enterprise fires phasers one or two times. This was an entire battle. An entire battlefield. And it felt like that. It was all there right on the screen. The ships the fighters the stars the whole thing all swirling about. And the story. My God the story. I remember showing this to my son when he was 3 years old. And he sees the ships coming at one another and he says wow! Big trouble! It was indeed

Spock vs. Dad

BIG ERROR IN THE NARRATION. Sinclair and Delenn NEVER had a child. That was Sheridan and Delenn.

I really enjoyed the movie, and the animation is well done! But they really could have nixed the G'Kar scene in space time. Babble On!! 😅😅

we used to call them the Telegoths, mopey and emo.

Babylon 5 set the standard for space battles really early on, and literally the only production company that came close was Star Trek: Deep Space Nine but B5 STILL beat them to the punch by several years, and DS9 had a multi-million dollar budget compared to B5's shoestring budget. It took nearly a decade for this battle scene to be surpassed in scope and quality, and that was Lucasfilm with The Return of the Sith, with a massive multi-million dollar special effects budget - almost a decade later! In fact, B5 set the standrad for space combat scenes almost from their first season, and from that point, everyone else was playing catch-up.

i mean, that segment with the 2 white stars charging head on into the Pullux's frontal weapons arc with all ships involved going all in weapons fire is amazing visually. Surely one of the coolest looking battle scenes on tv

Watching shoals of Starfuries and Thunderbolts dogfight like actual space ships (Suck it Expanse. You weren’t first) or make strafing runs on the capitol ships and station was epic. Watching B5’s defense grid try to intercept all the incoming fire was nerve wracking. Seeing the Omega Destroyers firing both their Heavy Lasers and Heavy Pulse Cannons, with the occasional shot from the dorsal Particle Beams, was true perfection*. It was just like in all the WWII movie naval battles where you saw them firing the big guns, secondaries and AAA to show how desperate the fight really was. *Yup, I was totally addicted to the B5 Wars game. I even bought a hardback 2nd ed. rules book autographed by JMS. I still have all the game books and a _massive_ Earth Alliance fleet (disposable income disposed of) of the larger, pre Fleet Action, ships along with a few each of the Narn, Minbari and Centauri ships and their fighters. I’m still annoyed I didn’t buy any of the Vorlon or Shadow ships, but no one in my group was willing to face them. Cowards.

That clip from one of the heinous Star Trek spinoffs really shows the difference between a battle as the setting for a story and a battle just for the sake of “hurhur space thing go flash-boom”. The very idea that those Starships would line up nose to nose at spitting distance is offensive. Babylon 5 has the White Stars and Omega Destroyers maneuver for advantage. All trying to get a shot without being shot at. The Star Trek ships? Just sit there and shoot. In Warp capable warships, with Impulse Engines that can move them across star systems, they line up like Napoleonic infantry and exchange volleys. Really? It was annoying to watch and genuinely gave me second hand embarrassment for the poor bastards that had to do the CGI.

In the TOS, the episode Elaan of Troyius had the best space battle.

the loyalist ships executing the Be Somewhere Else maneuver is world class content

How profound was this show, how prophetic it has become Scary

I love Star Trek: Insurrection and I still contemplate it to this day! On one hand, forcibly relocating people violates their rights and disrupts their way of life, which is fundamentally unjust. Each individual's right to live freely and securely should be respected, and any action that undermines this sets a dangerous precedent. On the other hand, if the resource can significantly benefit a large number of people, some might argue that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few... or the one.🖖

It was entirely based on an old WW2 movie about a destroyer and a submarine. "The Enemy Below".

sounds like the U.S in the last 8 years.

Nah, Jinxo was worse. In fact, that whole episode was pointless and a waste of David Warner's and William Sanderson's talent. Kefler was the sacrificial lamb to show the audience the high stakes without killing off someone actually important. His whole purpose was to die.