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@evanstevens5840 8 күн бұрын
i haven’t seen any other video with that reel. i got it a couple months ago and it’s treated me great for froggin.
@TheAverageFisherman99 8 күн бұрын
Yeah so far it's been great
@bcguerilla5096 8 күн бұрын
Why did you put a piece on the other side where there's no hole? For balance or something?
@TheAverageFisherman99 8 күн бұрын
Yes, and to protect the opposite area where the hole developed.
@MrRashad776 10 күн бұрын
I have something similar to this but it has a small yellow perch. However, it has caught dozens of small mouths and some pan fish. 🎣 Also the ones I get are set up right out of the package 📦. Thank you for the post. Keep 🎣 fishing. ✌ peace...
@TheAverageFisherman99 10 күн бұрын
Good luck!!
@LouisianaBlackwaterFlyFishing 12 күн бұрын
lease the wind keeps the gnats away
@TheAverageFisherman99 12 күн бұрын
Gnats yes, but the mosquitoes were TERRIBLE....they were swarming my car even in the heavy RAIN!
@orlandocalrissian6549 19 күн бұрын
I’ve got the bladed jig rod. Only thrown it a few times but I love it. Paired with a lews kvd reel. Also, you can’t beat the 10 year warranty that comes with these rods! Thanks for the review!
@TheAverageFisherman99 19 күн бұрын
I have to admit it, the warranty coupled with the fact that it's IM-9 graphite is what made me finally pull the trigger on getting a couple of them, and after using them, I'm very glad I did. Love the username by the way lol
@LouisianaBlackwaterFlyFishing 20 күн бұрын
Brah, Selling a house and having broke trashy people come mill around your place is worst! We had some POS come over and eat stuff out of our fridge.. Told the agent to NEVER set foot on my property ever again.
@TheAverageFisherman99 20 күн бұрын
Good lord...I'd be mad as hell, too. Talk about trashy.
@musicman1117 20 күн бұрын
Hello, I have a Carbon lite combo that is a couple of years old that I received as a gift. There were no instructions in the reel box, only a parts diagram. I realize that it is probably not the exact same combo that you have but I was wondering if you could answer a question? I know that the magnetic brake is adjustable but do you know if the centrifugal brakes are manually adjustable? I have located a release pin on the reel but the side plate does not come off as I expected it to.
@TheAverageFisherman99 20 күн бұрын
Yes centrifugal brakes are adjustable. You VERY CAREFULLY push them in or out until they click to either engage them or disengage them. You always do it in opposite pairs. Meaning, you engage one, then the second one on the opposite side of the spool. The gold pin on the handle side is spring loaded. Pull that, then rotate the opposite side plate UP and it will disengage. The magnetic brakes will be on the side plate. The centrifugal brakes will be on the spool. If you can push them out easily, they are engaged. All you do is push them back until they click to disengage them. On my frogging reel, I have two engaged. On the white one for finesse fishing, I have four engaged.
@musicman1117 20 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@TheAverageFisherman99 20 күн бұрын
You're quite welcome!
@theangriestangler 20 күн бұрын
I honestly had no idea you could get saltwater specific reels/rods and gear. I recently got into saltwater fishing and have been using my bass setups. I usually just rinse them off well and let them dry in the sun after use. Do you think this is a bad idea, or is this okay? The whole flooding situation sucks. I was planning on going down to Hopedale this Friday but I think I'm gonna postpone until Monday to be safe. I also live about two hours away and don't wanna risk a drive for nothing. I actually tried calling Hopedale Marina to see if they're still flooded, but no answer.
@TheAverageFisherman99 20 күн бұрын
As long as they're rated for saltwater it's fine. My bass rods are all high-modulus though, so I don't want to risk damaging them. Look for shielded stainless steel bearings and stainless gears.
@TheAverageFisherman99 20 күн бұрын
I don't get why we are flooding so bad when it's literally just 20mph wind from the south. Last word is hopedale isnt floors as badly as of right now, but come high tide they're expecting to close the roads again.
@theangriestangler 20 күн бұрын
@@TheAverageFisherman99 Damn, crazy stuff! Some of the people in FB groups are saying the wind/current will push more saltwater fish up deeper into Ponchatrain, but I’m unsure if that’s true
@TheAverageFisherman99 20 күн бұрын
Yes, it's true. In a way, it's great for the fishing bc it will push bigger fish farther inshore, but if they're closing the roads, you can't get there to fish it in the first place lol
@dillonbowers8950 23 күн бұрын
I just picked up a 7'2 medium with a shimano sahara 3000 and love it so far
@TheAverageFisherman99 23 күн бұрын
That's a great combo. I hope you find it works well for you!
@micheledaugherty275 23 күн бұрын
Fuzzy Math! .018 dia. line is not 40lb.
@TheAverageFisherman99 23 күн бұрын
0.18in is 0.45mm. That is 30lb line by diameter...in either nftta or JAFS standardization. Proof of this is that all the sites that tested big game, it broke WELL over 20lbs. In fact, in six tests I viewed, it broke at 31lbs, almost exactly what the JAFS standard said it would break at by diameter. Trilene big game 12lb is actually 19lb.
@dr.thiccboi6599 24 күн бұрын
Heck yeah man that’s the reel I got! Glad to see I found a video on it.
@TheAverageFisherman99 24 күн бұрын
It performs very very well so far. I'm glad I got it.
@Mark-dx8rr 25 күн бұрын
There's an awful lot of truth in what you're saying about the Beetle Spin running diagonally. Im gonna try your modifications!! Thank You for the info,Sir!!
@TheAverageFisherman99 25 күн бұрын
Hey you're welcome! Good luck!!
@JoeyMOfficial 26 күн бұрын
Just bought a Carbonlite Tech reel in 6.8:1 ratio to use for chatter baits, ready to it to be delivered
@TheAverageFisherman99 25 күн бұрын
It's a good reel. Made by daiwa for BPS. I found both of mine to be easy to adjust, and they throw decently far when well-adjusted
@JoeyMOfficial 25 күн бұрын
@@TheAverageFisherman99 i thought lews made it for BSP, it looks similar to the newer pro-ti and elite-ti
@TheAverageFisherman99 25 күн бұрын
Nope..you're right. Daiwa makes the spinning versions. The casting reels are made by Doyo (some are Chinese though). Same place that makes lew's, Abu garcia, pflueger, and a few others Sorry for the confusion, I'm at work and kinda skimmed over your post and answered it without reading it more carefully. Learned my lesson lol!
@JoeyMOfficial 25 күн бұрын
@@TheAverageFisherman99 i know the other BSP reels came from the lews factory in Korea i think but not fully sure on that
@TheAverageFisherman99 25 күн бұрын
Could be true, but that is what I was told in an email from BPS when I was gathering info. Copy/paste: "Depending on the model, the casting reels are made by either the Doyo facility, or a parent company in China that makes many reels for multiple brands. In addition, some lots are produced to capacity at one particular facility, then another, as demand dictates. The parts would be interchangable regardless of which facility they are made." So it sounded like to ME at least, that the casters are possibly made at a few different places. My gray carbonlite tech reel says "made in Korea". My white one says "made in China"...so who knows?
@TheAverageFisherman99 26 күн бұрын
The person you hear me talking to was a teenaged kid who was initially kayak fishing, but he pulled up on the bank I was fishing. I was giving him the white trout that I was catching because he hadn't caught any keepers that day, and he asked me if he could keep a spotted sea trout he caught. I told him the minimum size was 13 inches.
@GusM661 29 күн бұрын
Great video
@TheAverageFisherman99 29 күн бұрын
Thank you :)
@DshaunBirch 29 күн бұрын
nah them sheepshead taste magical do yall have those?
@TheAverageFisherman99 29 күн бұрын
Yes, around structure.
@azikiwezig 29 күн бұрын
Nice video Question. Are the guides on the Bps Johnny morris signature series in this video micro or semi micro guides? And does the carbon lite still carry the micro guides like the previous models?
@TheAverageFisherman99 29 күн бұрын
They are micro guides after the first three. Same for the carbonlites.
@azikiwezig 29 күн бұрын
@@TheAverageFisherman99 thanks ,are they the same size guides after the first three as the carbonlite spinning rods also?
@TheAverageFisherman99 29 күн бұрын
Yes. The only difference is the insert material.
@BigpapamoneymanMVPtypebeat Ай бұрын
I’d kill a pike forsure if I tried that first tip
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
Beetle spins are one of the most versatile lures period. They catch pretty much everything.
@ethandixon6580 Ай бұрын
as a BPS employee that owns several of these rods (the frog rod, the super finesse and the deep crank) and loves all of them, I appreciate the honest review. For the price especially, these are outstanding rods though I do agree with your nitpicks. The super finesse rod has been especially outstanding in my personal experience and is the point I think I disagree on you with; I have had it for about a month and I use it for my ned rigs and have already put about 200 bass in on it. Maybe I just have gotten really used to the feel for it though and from a marketing standpoint of it being "super finesse" (i dont know why they labeled it as such when theyre alright with assigning one specific bait or tech to all the other rods and as mentioned prior, at least for me it has been am outstanding setup to throw ned rigs on) in the sense of if they are going to market it as that sensitive option then they should go with an extra fast taper. I also dont know why they didn't make an UL option for this line as the white carbonlites have at least one (i believe two) ultra light variants. Maybe they can address that in a refresh in a year or two. Tight lines!
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
I have the signature series with the extra fast taper, and it works much better as a "super finesse" rod. Thank you for your viewpoints! Always great to hear other people's points of view. I DID say it was a good rod, just that a "super finesse" would be even better with an extra fast taper as opposed to fast, as it would make it even that much more sensitive for ultra finesse techniques.
@ethandixon6580 Ай бұрын
@@TheAverageFisherman99 I do not own any of the signature series rods but I do have one of the patriot rods in medium fast and absolutely love it; i am a big jerkbait guy and for that, it is outstanding imo. I have 3 signature series reels, the baitcasters in the 10 and the 30 size and a spinning in 1500. All of them are total workhorses and are great. I also have 2 of the carbonlite baitcasting reels and have enjoyed them a lot, Diawa actually manufactures them for us so i guess i shouldnt be surprised that they are very solid for the price. The spinning carbonlite reels, i really wish they made them in black as i am not a fan of the white but are also made by diawa and i plan on getting one eventually. I hear great things about them from customers
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
Yep...daiwa made. They ARE great reels, and punch above their price point. I too wish they made a black spinning reel. I don't own any BPS spinners except the micro lite elite reels. The signature series spinning reels are way too heavy for my preferences.
@ethandixon6580 Ай бұрын
@@TheAverageFisherman99 the micro elites are great for the price. I own 2 and use them mainly for panfish/trout but have thrown neds and dropshots on them as well for fun
@nathanprotz7468 Ай бұрын
I'm looking at this Super Finesse spinning rod. How do you think it would work for crappie with light 1/32-1/16 oz jigs?
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
I think you'd do better for crappie with a crappie maxx pro rod or a BPS Panfish Elite rod. I own all three of these rods, and can vouch for the crappie maxx pro and panfish Elite rods for crappie fishing. They are $40 and $79 respectively. Both of those rods are better suited to the light jigs you mentioned than the BPS super finesse bass rod. The super finesse rod is a bass rod. It's not designed for 1/32 oz light jigs, and the two panfish-centered rods would offer greater sensitivity and bite detection in that scenario, as well as far better casting performance with crappie jigs and swimbaits. Using a bass rod for light panfish duty is possible, but there are better options at cheaper prices that will outperform a rod intended for bigger fish. For $40, the crappie maxx pro rods are no joke, and I own 5 of them for a reason.
@nathanprotz7468 Ай бұрын
@@TheAverageFisherman99 thank you!
@GusM661 Ай бұрын
The warranty is another reason a person might consider buying this rod
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
Yep. A 10 year warranty is no joke, and BPS is pretty good about honoring them.
@mikejohnson7825 Ай бұрын
What is your opinion on st croix I have 2 St. croix glass rods for crankig. I love them. Also my med heavy one is paired with an abu revo winch. Also been an abu fan since most people I know started with a zebco 33 I started with an abumatic out of my grandpa's garage so stuck with them since about 12
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
Honestly, I'm not a st Croix fan. Their rods are over-priced for what you're getting in my opinion. I've owned a few in the past, but do not currently own any. I've fished with a couple legend series rods however, and they're pretty decent, but for the amount they cost, there are far better rods at the same price or less. The legend elite is comparable to the fantasista X in my hands, but the fantasista is over $100 less. The $130 st Croix panfish and trout rods are inferior to the $40 BPS crappie maxx pro rods in sensitivity AND action, and FAR inferior to the 13 Fishing Omen Panfish rod.
@GusM661 Ай бұрын
Really enjoyed your video and honest review. I’ve been following your channel for a while now and I must say you’re as knowledgeable as they come.
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
Thank you! Being in the medical field, I like doing my research and fact finding before I make a video to be sure I know what I'm talking about. Some people just get on camera and start talking...I prefer to give facts backed up by my own personal experiences.
@GusM661 Ай бұрын
I also notice that Abu Garcia and BPS rod blanks thickness near the reel seat are very similar?
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
@@GusM661 the BPS rods are pretty big in diameter, especially the spinning rods. The Abu spinning rods I have are much smaller in diameter than the BPS rods, sometimes by 50%. My veritas TE heavy power rod is about 30% smaller in diameter than the BPS medium power. They're both hollow construction though, so the wall thickness of the actual graphite blanks are pretty similar, the BPS rods just have a larger hollow cavity if that makes sense?
@GusM661 Ай бұрын
@@TheAverageFisherman99 thank you for answering my question.
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
I try my best to answer every question I get :)
@bigmikefishingchonicles9950 Ай бұрын
Man that was a great review good job
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
I appreciate it :)
@philipfalco7304 Ай бұрын
Good Advice! I'm an avid swimmer and got caught in a serious rip tide a couple hundred yards at a beach in Florida. I kept my cool, stayed high in the water column and didn't fight against it. I slowly swam at an angle toward the beach and finally made it out about a few hundred yards down the beach. As far as heat. I was fishing in August in my boat for 12 hours and went to the beach the next day. On Monday, when I went back to work in the E.R., I felt a little weak and shaky. My nurse manager picked up on it. It took 2 1/2 Liters of fluid to get me back to normal. STAY HYDRATED!!1 and wear a hat.
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
The issue is that most people FAR underestimate how physically demanding swimming is, and it becomes even more so when fighting waves, etc. swimming perpendicular to the rip current is key, but it's tiring. Dehydration can REALLY f you up, and fast. Greetings from one ER nurse to another :)
@bigmikefishingchonicles9950 Ай бұрын
I have a question about the frog rod how is the tip a lot of heavy rod don't have enough tip to walk a frog and you did a great job explain the rods as far as the spinning rod i am a big dobyns guy they have a $80 rod in there colt series that is very nice
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
I have absolutely no problems doing a walk the dog action with any of the frogs I've used with this rod. It's a good action...fast but reacts more like extra fast. It's fairly stiff, but it DOES flex a good bit when you're setting the hook or fighting a fish. In my opinion, BPS absolutely nailed it with the tip action of this rod. It's as close to perfect for a frog rod as I've ever used to be honest. I've owned a dobyn's colt spinning rod that I gave away in a previous giveaway post on this channel. In my honest opinion, the carbonlite is superior. Not to say the Dobyn's colt is a bad rod, because it's not....it's just the fact that the CarbonLite is built using higher modulus graphite, and is lighter and more sensitive....but it normally costs $40 more.
@bigmikefishingchonicles9950 Ай бұрын
@@TheAverageFisherman99 thanks for the info
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
Anytime!
@Jason-416 Ай бұрын
Nothing but facts my man. I’ve got heat stroke in my kayak about 15 years ago and it took me a long time to feel normal again when fishing or working in the sun/ heat . I work outside all year round as a carpenter I always have a bottles of water or Gatorade close by. You gotta do a video on the topwater bait,at least a review on it. Love you ch man and I hope you hit 1000 subscribers soon keep it up 💪🏻
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
Thank you! I swear by a drink called "Liquid IV". It tastes like shit, but it's about the best you can get when it comes to actually keeping you hydrated. I'll do a video of me using it ASAP :). I love topwater fishing :)
@LouisianaBlackwaterFlyFishing Ай бұрын
Drinking a lot beer in 105 degrees heat is plain dumb.. you are asking for problems..
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
Absolutely. I always recommend "Liquid IV". It's a sports drink that has something like 3-5x the electrolytes as Gatorade, and actually does a really good job of keeping you hydrated.
@DshaunBirch Ай бұрын
i’m glad you talk about this stuff the way you do no sugar coat no bullshit otherwise no one will get it
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
Thanks, yeah, if I get "too medical" about things, people tend to ignore the advice, or people don't take it seriously, like the bunch of people who drowned this past weekend. Still, the things I say here are 100% truthful, and are things I personally see or have seen.
@ArturoRailProductions Ай бұрын
Man thank you for this! I’m just now getting serious with fishing and I’m trying out new lines. Got 25lb and 0.22mm braided line from kastking and tried that over my mono 6.0kg (like 13lb) and 0.285mm. The casting distance was pretty much the same for both which proves that what you said is true even with braided and mono! It mostly is the diameter that determines casting, only noticeable difference was strength. Even though braided is still much stronger.
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
Yep! Diameter is king when it comes to casting distance for sure. Two lines of the same diameter, whether braid or mono, will cast roughly the same if the mono doesn't have lots of memory to slow it down. That's yet ANOTHER reason I use Hercules braid. It's Japanese standardized (nftta) by diameter. For example: suffix pro mix 6lb is 0.14mm. Hercules 10lb braid is 0.12mm. So the standardized 10lb is smaller than the domestic market 6lb. Not even American BRAID is rated correctly by diameter. I very much dislike companies that under-rate their test strengths for marketing reasons. The lines I use the most are as follows (if you are interested) 1. Hercules no fade green 6lb test braid for spinning panfish combos. 2. BPS EXCEL in 2lb test for mono panfish combos 3. Hercules no fade 10lb test 8 strand braid for bass on spinning combos 4. Hercules no fade 20lb test 8 strand green braid for casting combos for bass 5. Hercules no fade green 30lb test 4 strand braid for topwater frogs for bass
@TheBigalvi Ай бұрын
Get a navage no more allergies
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
I use the neilmed sinus rinse.
@afrozenalex8964 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the depth knowledge.. its help a lot
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
You're very welcome! I hope it helps you find the line that behaves the way YOU want it to!
@mpd_l_r Ай бұрын
I have noticed beetle spins turning sideways a little. Good point. I will say beetle spins catch everything so it's a risky mod IMO. Nice cideo
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
I haven't had any issue, but spinners made of cheap metal might possibly...
@GusM661 Ай бұрын
Good looking out, brother
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
Thank you my friend!
@pedrobenitez4919 Ай бұрын
I appreciate all the info brother, stay safe and tight lines!
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
Same to you my man!
@LouisianaBlackwaterFlyFishing Ай бұрын
Always great info buddy :)
@TheAverageFisherman99 Ай бұрын
Thanks :)
@DshaunBirch 2 ай бұрын
my flies are so ugly i just gave up i just throw my money at the box store and buy the damn flies that’s a good employee they have there tho i’ve noticed they typically have good fly fishermen employed at the white river they don’t half ass on hiring those guys or stick some teenager in there
@TheAverageFisherman99 2 ай бұрын
Ugly ones work too...mine did lol When it comes to fly fishing advice, I stick to my fishing buddy Louisiana Blackwater Fly Fishing. The day I went into BassPro, I just didn't think he'd appreciate sitting on the phone for 30-45min answering my stupid questions, so I left it to the guy that works there 😂
@bigmikefishingchonicles9950 2 ай бұрын
If you don't mind me giving you some advice but you a whip finishing tool and some thread and sally hansen hard as nails its so easy to learn the whip finsh
@TheAverageFisherman99 2 ай бұрын
No by all means! I'm a noob at it, so I appreciate the advice. Never stop learning, etc
@robertsauer3049 2 ай бұрын
I'm glad I got my allergy shot yesterday
@TheAverageFisherman99 2 ай бұрын
Everybody's on Benadryl today lol
@LouisianaBlackwaterFlyFishing 2 ай бұрын
would be nice if those handles are cork :)
@TheAverageFisherman99 2 ай бұрын
Lol! Yeah..I DO like cork handles the best.
@logans.1104 2 ай бұрын
Could you make a video/ review of the new carbonlite. They look really nice and so far you’re the only KZbinr I’ve seen with one.
@TheAverageFisherman99 2 ай бұрын
Ive already done several videos on both: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHfXh3t4ZtCDoNUsi=PpmV3k18kg2mB5XB kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqWyeaBnnKdrrtUsi=Id8hSvJm7oGWDhnX Plus tons of info on the graphite blanks they use to make them: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWLXaqtrnrljpZYsi=sU5bL-bpZ-xBGLiB As you can see, I put a lot of effort into giving the viewers of my channel all of the ACCURATE info that I possibly can.
@justicewhitney528 2 ай бұрын
What combo is that
@TheAverageFisherman99 2 ай бұрын
That is a 13Fishing Omen Panfish and trout rod, with a BPS MicroLite Elite spinning reel wound with 6lb Hercules no fade braid.
@justicewhitney528 2 ай бұрын
Which st.croix would you recommend
@TheAverageFisherman99 2 ай бұрын
None. There are better performing rods for less money. I've owned several st. Croix rods. Eight to be exact. I no longer have any in my collecrion, because I found superior rods that performed better and were better suited to the style of fishing that I prefer.
@justicewhitney528 2 ай бұрын
Preach !! Need more videos like this !
@TheAverageFisherman99 2 ай бұрын
Glad you found it useful. My channel is FULL of videos like this one, and more are in the works! Glad to see you here my man...pull up a chair :)
@GusM661 2 ай бұрын
Glad to hear that you got the clear on skin. Happy for you and your family
@TheAverageFisherman99 2 ай бұрын
Thanks. The immunotherapy was rough lol
@pedrobenitez4919 2 ай бұрын
Happy to hear everything is gonna be alright brother. I apologize for not being around lately. Was finally able to get my family and I out to Kentucky, what a process that was. Been here for a few days staying with her family till we find a place. It's absolutely beautiful out here and can't wait to go fishing! Stay safe and tight lines brother!
@TheAverageFisherman99 2 ай бұрын
Congrats on the move my man! New adventures ahead for you!!
@pedrobenitez4919 2 ай бұрын
@@TheAverageFisherman99 I appreciate it, mostly excited for the life my baby girl is gonna have out here!
@TheAverageFisherman99 2 ай бұрын
Nice! Good luck to her and the rest of you!
@LouisianaBlackwaterFlyFishing 2 ай бұрын
Good times :)
@TheAverageFisherman99 2 ай бұрын
She said she wished you could have come too lol...I told her we joke and stuff the whole time
@davidmikeska2442 2 ай бұрын
Nice video. It was great to see you and the 'Misses' out enjoying some quality time together on the water. Tight lines!
@TheAverageFisherman99 2 ай бұрын
Thanks!! We love spending time together, and tight lines to YOU too my friend.
@huntersfare 2 ай бұрын
A lot of facts being spit here! I keep fish but I do it when and where it makes sense. Conservation.
@TheAverageFisherman99 2 ай бұрын
Exactly. I keep my fair share as well. Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT greedy. I don't even ever keep more than 10-15 bluegills. I will even keep the occasional bass from areas that are overpopulated with stunted fish.
@shj2783 2 ай бұрын
Lol bucket brigade
@TheAverageFisherman99 2 ай бұрын
Lol yeah...that's what we call em here