Had not heard about the hologram before. Fascinating stuff!
@chchzuziaКүн бұрын
Speaking as a 51-year-old life-long Trekker, I have to say that Strange New Worlds is excellent. I think that I'm old enough now to not be bothered by casting differences, differences in technology and so on (although I felt Discovery was super egregious in that respect, somehow in SNW it goes down a little easier). I'm just happy to have something that is more 'my' Trek than Disco and Abrams.
@RAFFIZUMZКүн бұрын
amazing
@RockwellAIM65Күн бұрын
I saw the Enterprise hologram as a kid. I do not know for sure where I saw it but the most probable place was an L5 Society meeting I went to in Los Angeles. If I saw it, there were probably others. I was not special enough to have seen "an original!"
@tenminutetokyo2643Күн бұрын
I assume you’ve seen Mr.Trek.
@robertspence7766Күн бұрын
Wow. That interview was so cringe!
@markmenard5518Күн бұрын
Can’t get enough of this story, thanks so much l hang on to your every word not knowing what really happened to that ship has bothered me for decades.
@vernonloften5248Күн бұрын
Was a glass pitcher with the big flip lid
@jayabramson6702Күн бұрын
I can recall a McDonalds a couple of blocks from where I worked that had a cylindrical hologram of the Millennium Falcon backing out and turning away from the Death Star. Always thought it was awesome, and wondered how I could get it. Never did of course. I haven’t thought of that for almost 50 years. Jeez….im getting old…..
@grahamturner1290Күн бұрын
Probably the most overlooked Trek movie. 🖖
@marcbrasse747Күн бұрын
It has been called the “US of outer space” for a reason. You don’t get to the top in an “advanced” civilisation while being a good person. Just as much as it is fashion to not hide being a rightwing monster to a fault today it was equally fashionable to play Mr. Nice Guy then. This however says little about the real personality behind the legend. So it’s good to see that the picture of “Saint Roddenberry” is set straight at last.
@scifiguy26Күн бұрын
Very informative & interesting 🖖
@TREK-WORLDКүн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@aw3752Күн бұрын
So… Roddenberry DIDN’T sell the Enterprise model for $5,000 - and lie about it - as originally suggested?
@TREK-WORLDКүн бұрын
My personal belief right now is that Jennings did have a check for $5K. But it is what he had to give to Hololabs to pay for the hologram. However, Rosa is still maintaining her version of the story. But she was a child at the time and could be misremembering something her dad said. For this video, I focused on only the physical chain of custody. For the drama that Rosa is claiming, I will be doing a separate video in the future that only concerns itself with the stories that she and others have maintained behind the scenes as this moved toward resolution. And there are other stories by high profile folks who seem to be pointing in a direction of conspiracy theories, It's been a wild ride!
@aw3752Күн бұрын
@@TREK-WORLD Wow. Fascinating! Thank you!
@SethBondArtistКүн бұрын
10 seconds look at the wood grain of the base confirms it's it. I took Roddenberry desk photo, stuck it in photoshop, lightened it up so I cold compare the wood grain. You can fake a model, but you can not grow a tree to match the wood grain. Case closed.
@LebD2 күн бұрын
I like some episodes from the newer shows. TNG and DS9 are still my favorites.
@LebD2 күн бұрын
It's a lesson to not put anyone on a pedestal. No one is a perfect role model.
@billhenderson5112 күн бұрын
Good work Jim! Fascinating!
@TREK-WORLD2 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@mikecrabtree82002 күн бұрын
That secret was..... Drum roll please. The ship had toilets.
@TREK-WORLD2 күн бұрын
Now we know why phasers had a "disintegrate" setting.
@atrac882 күн бұрын
Folks - Robert ABEL was a special effects guy. He is not talking about Robert APRIL!
@MrChief1012 күн бұрын
In that commercial, at about 6:10-12, you do know that's Shatner's daughter?
@TREK-WORLD2 күн бұрын
Yup!
@kunserndsittizen26552 күн бұрын
The nacelles were droopy back then
@byronbailey33112 күн бұрын
Brilliant detective work. This was wonderful to watch!
@TREK-WORLD2 күн бұрын
Thank you very much!
@TALON-72 күн бұрын
Somewhere in my house I have a hologram of the Enterprise. I got it around the late 1980s at a hologram store (I think) in Gatlinburg, TN. I had it in a shadowbox with the Enterpise uniform branch insignias.
@waltonartvisualeffects10772 күн бұрын
I worked with Wah a couple of times at Excelsior! Animated Moving Pictures, producing the Pillsbury Doughboy and Land of the Lost. My boss, Gene Warren Sr. and Wah were partners at Project Unlimited, Inc. Wah was an extremely talented artist and inventor. Thank you for this very informative video!
@cds28822 күн бұрын
Not only shouldn't the Romulan ship be passing stars, when the Enterprise if following the Romulan at a constant distance, it would not be traveling at warp speed. So, during those scenes, the Enterprise shouldn't be passing stars, either.
@rickytoddbotelho95552 күн бұрын
Excellent job 😂❤
@davidalexander20072 күн бұрын
Bravo Jim Payne
@TrevorFiford-d6g2 күн бұрын
Oh No not the character. Sorry.
@TrevorFiford-d6g2 күн бұрын
The Name was "ROBERT APRIL"
@TREK-WORLD2 күн бұрын
Yup! And he was the first Captain of the Enterprise. Whereas ROBERT ABEL was a failed special effects house that got fired from Star Trek The Motion Picture. Don't sweat it though. Alot of our younger fans don't know their TMP history and it certainly isn't a cause for shame.
@BuShips2 күн бұрын
Jim, you mentioned that the model was used as a reference in making STTMP but skipped over what it was initially “borrowed” for- Star Trek Phase II. Am I mistaken in my memory of the Abel (ironically named?) company being fired for that new series and it being canceled? As I remember, TMP was then green lit and the Enterprise refit model was reused. Of course, there is the photo of the refit model with the 33” model in the background. Great presentation and thank you again for the past video where you gave me credit for being the first to supply you with the auction photos. 🖖
@mikedicenso27782 күн бұрын
That isn't the 3 footer in the background. It's a standard AMT model. You can tell because the bottom of the saucer is fully visible and it's conical, not flat. On top of that, the model there is clearly too small in size when scaled to features on the desk itself. The refit model for Phase II was not used because it was too small and not detailed anywhere near enough for a major motion picture. So the 8 foot model was built and then modified for use by Douglas Trumbull and John Dykstra's respective FX staff. Robert Able & Associates were let go because they hadn't up to that point produced any usable special effects footage, even though several models were ready for tests or production. Joe Jennings and his art department staff also got the axe, but were rehired along with some other folks.
@TREK-WORLD2 күн бұрын
Hi there! Right now there is really no separate evidence that Abel actually ever used the 3FT model officially for anything at all. Since Susan told me that the model was delivered directly to Abel one time.... That leads me to believe that it was only given to them in response to someone wanting to create the hologram for the cast party.
@TREK-WORLD2 күн бұрын
And as Mike points out as well, the photo showing the smaller ship in the background turned out to be an AMT. When I first saw that photo years ago, I also believed it was the 3FT model. But upon inspection it doesn't have the proper saucer shape.
@BuShipsКүн бұрын
@@mikedicenso2778 Jim might need to comment on this, as he didn’t believe the model in his video about the “Stolen Enterprise” was the 18” AMT one but the 33” one. It looks too big to me, as well.
@mikedicenso277810 сағат бұрын
@@BuShips Didn't you see Jim's reply comment in this thread? He's basically in agreement with me for all the same reasons I outlined.
@chrisddawson2 күн бұрын
That is an amazing story! These deep dives into Trek history just keep getting better and better! It seems the world of TOS Trek continues to have stories as compelling as ever. Thank You for what you do😎🖖
@TREK-WORLD2 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@electronicecstasy2 күн бұрын
I never would've expected that this model took a detour to a hologram facility. Thank you for documenting these findings!
@user-be2dt8eg2x2 күн бұрын
Very interesting story. Seems a long way to go for a party decoration. Wouldn't numerous TMP models or even the 11 footer be available for such a purpose?
@TREK-WORLD2 күн бұрын
That’s what made the issue even more difficult to track down. When I showed Susan Sackett one of the film frames; she responded that she had no idea why it was made, or who made it. I would seriously question why in the world someone even wanted the model in the first place. However, knowing that the film studio models were not camera ready in 1978 might explain their reasoning.
@electronicecstasy2 күн бұрын
The 11-footer was in the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum at that time. The TMP models were either being constructed or used for filming, so they couldn't be used. The 3-footer was much smaller and lighter than the other models, so it would've been more convenient to make a hologram from that one.
@thomasackerman53992 күн бұрын
The 11 foot model wasn't available for the same reason i wasn't available for use by the Phase II/ST:TMP staff: The Smithsonian had the darn thing on display and didn't want to go through the trouble of taking it down and shipping the 200 lb. thing. They especially wouldn't have let the 11 footer go after the D7 model debacle, and they were resistant to letting it go for use by the Deep Space Nine FX staff use for Trials and Tribble-ations" for that very reason. The 1977/78 timeframe seems to indicate that the TMP models were still in use or under construction.
@obsoletebutneat2 күн бұрын
So not Abel and Associates at all? That explains the Burton Holmes name with the storage unit from the time the story first broke...
@TREK-WORLD2 күн бұрын
Robert Abel & company are still the vector through which the ship vanished. It was delivered to them. And somehow they got it to HoloLabs and then promptly forgot who they gave it to.
@thomasackerman53992 күн бұрын
@@TREK-WORLD Or conveniently forgot. Wink-wink. Know what I mean?
@TREK-WORLD2 күн бұрын
Yeah, I do. While I could never prove that they knew where it was; I wouldn't be surprised if they had played dumb just to spite Roddenberry.
@TREK-WORLD2 күн бұрын
Yes. In the very first comments to the press in the day or so following the news, Dustin & Jason actually name dropped BHI. This is how the name got out early on. But then no one could remember who said it, or where any post concerning it was originally seen.
@turner3d12 күн бұрын
So Gene didn't sell it! Even though we know he had plenty of faults, it's a relief that this wasn't the scandal that was suspected.
@TREK-WORLD2 күн бұрын
Yeah, I think that Rosa Jennings may be quoting the $5K “buy” based on a map-formed childhood memory. I think that “Jennings paid $5K for the model” to be imaged into a hologram. I don’t think she lied; I just think that she didn’t actually know the whole story. And Jennings has been gone for quite a while now.
@cbspock17012 күн бұрын
Fascinating
@caironiancanuck4822 күн бұрын
Wow Jim, you outdid yourself this time (probably have already in past vids I haven't come across yet). You did so much research, and produced quite a bit of new and interesting content and information, I had to rewatch several times to grasp the stories you shared. And your technical skills shined right thru. Thank you for a very enjoyable production. Idk if you've posted any content on your recent ST convention but I look fwd to watching it. Cheers, Sam.