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@tylernelson1993
@tylernelson1993 20 күн бұрын
Man i wish i could get my hands on one of these clutches
@huhwhuh7638
@huhwhuh7638 25 күн бұрын
hope youre still listening to thousand leaves / eyes🙏
@iBackshift
@iBackshift 25 күн бұрын
Yup. Thanks to a customer in Aomori Japan, I have almost all their CD's. Thanks for the reminder, im going to go listen to the cd lunatic Dawn while i do clutch kit invoices.🤩
@paulyaw
@paulyaw 4 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@iBackshift
@iBackshift 3 ай бұрын
1st like on your "FFT w/a iphone" run up and bump test video. I was a vibe tech in a paper mill for 10 yrs. Soon as I seen "fft", I zoned in on that because its rare to see someone know what a fast fourier is. haha. cheers
@mactrist
@mactrist 4 ай бұрын
Great video Joe. Very informative 👍🏻
@TMOGTO
@TMOGTO 4 ай бұрын
Is there a list of said can to avoid? You know, for personal research purposes .. lol .
@iBackshift
@iBackshift 3 ай бұрын
I sell a lot of clutch kits and my statistic is there are more of my customers who had a bm can and had a problem with it more than any other brand. But i think its because of bm's marketing, they sell a lot more than other brands, then statistically, I would see more of the same issues. Some people are buying a clutch kit because they think the kit will solve an engine management problem, like a can that runs lousy on an engine.
@TMOGTO
@TMOGTO 3 ай бұрын
@@iBackshiftThank you. I have a 16 Mxz 600 Etec I bought used with a BM can and I have done everything under the sun to try and resolve the issue (clutching, plugs, reeds, etc), and the best I could get out of it was 77-7800 on clicker 3 , when it should see 8100. Since I dont have the stock silencer, im hoping the other aftermarket replacement (J*** can) solves my problem.
@michaelpearson72
@michaelpearson72 4 ай бұрын
Great info Joe
@bobrecord6901
@bobrecord6901 5 ай бұрын
Love your mooing cow at the end almost hacked out a lung 🤣🤣😂 Your clutching kits have always been spot on, on every one of my sleds and they all have lived at 7000 to 11000..There is only 2 cans i have used in the last few years after the initial set up with the stock can..
@ebross217
@ebross217 5 ай бұрын
Good stuff Joe. So, what you’re saying is, louder is not faster 🤔
@iBackshift
@iBackshift 5 ай бұрын
Oh no...😁im not saying anything. You have to come to your own conclusion. Anything i say can be crapped on, so that's why i use other peoples words. All I can do is bring forward someone else's facts, what they know, what came to pass for them, including myself. The facts I bring forth are stubborn things and hard to reprehend me for not being factual.
@BlueRage
@BlueRage 3 ай бұрын
​@@iBackshiftI have two 2012 Skidoo 800 XRS...looking for primary clutch kits to rebuild both. Both are OEM. Both are 120 tracks. What do you suggest for a better launch? Thanks in advance.
@iBackshift
@iBackshift 3 ай бұрын
@@BlueRage Buddy, only use the BRP maintenance pulley repair kit 800R-E 11-17 BRP#415129626 DO NOT use aftermarket, from amazon or ebay, no internet at all. Go into the dealer and push the money across the counter and pull the repair kit towards you; or from an online skidoo dealer like inglesperformance or wellersrec etc. Asking about a better launch, it would help to know what's wrong with the launch, what do you do when you launch? Is this trail racing, every day trail riding, racing? Best to email me off of my website with this kind of question, then I can ask you questions to figure out what you need.
@BlueRage
@BlueRage 3 ай бұрын
​@@iBackshiftThank you for your reply. What ramp in primary would you recommend for trail racing? Both are being rebuilt. Going with OEM kits, not sure of ramp pitch for trail racing. No markings on current ramps.
@backcountryjunkie5454
@backcountryjunkie5454 5 ай бұрын
Excellent info Joey. Silly buggers with loud cans.
@teachdougie8139
@teachdougie8139 5 ай бұрын
Put the HPS can on my Gen 5. The weight you recommend and clicker on 4 worked out perfectly, maybe even a smidge high on the RPM but to me liking. And I weight 270lbs+ gear. Safe to say that HPS can is proving to have a HP gain, or at minimum at least maintaining stock HP.
@Captndarty
@Captndarty 5 ай бұрын
Good! That’s what people get for putting stupidly loud cans on🤣
@farmgineering3259
@farmgineering3259 5 ай бұрын
I experienced this issue. Installed your clutching and bikedude can on my turbo r. Only tinkered with pin weight for two trips wondering why the sled won’t pull rpm. It also seemed like changing pin weight did not change my peak rpm much if at all. Stock can helped this issue. Although, i find that I need to keep my clicker on 5 all season( aside from 4 which you recommend).
@mm700
@mm700 5 ай бұрын
Slide out the airbox and you’ll have tonnes of room behind the secondary
@mikecarney6141
@mikecarney6141 5 ай бұрын
Love the simulated wood paneling you put up!!
@joeywadz5710
@joeywadz5710 6 ай бұрын
I want to order a kit for my 2013 800 renegade .. I’ll be running that 1.5 ice storm track with 1.25 outside. Stock gearing. Brand new top end . Quantum racing fuel pump. Ultimately belt. I also want to change to a rs secondary team clutch set up unless you say otherwise
@joeywadz5710
@joeywadz5710 6 ай бұрын
I run mostly trail and ditch bang.. I’m looking for rocket speed from 40-45 mph up to 115
@grutzmac
@grutzmac 8 ай бұрын
What size bolt are you using the thread into the roller pins to knock them out?
@iBackshift
@iBackshift 5 ай бұрын
Cheap fastenal M5 x 100mm long bolt. $1.00/each
@tortap
@tortap 8 ай бұрын
Legend has it he is still torquing to this day
@tortap
@tortap 8 ай бұрын
Hey Joe. Old dootalk regular here. Just about lost it when Corpsegrinder came on! Nice looking tools. That fixture is genius.
@iBackshift
@iBackshift 5 ай бұрын
Seen CG in a a gig here in our city, was great. Yvon from the Race Dept made a bunch of them and I asked him for one and he said take a picture and make your own. So I did and its better, lighter.
@xGR1MxREAPERx
@xGR1MxREAPERx 9 ай бұрын
I thought 7800-7900 is where na 850’s wanna be and turbo 850’s 7900-7950. Your start of video is 8100-8200 or more lol.. way over revving dude.
@iBackshift
@iBackshift 7 ай бұрын
Your power peak rpms are wrong. The 850 engine makes 165hp at 7900 AND 165hp at 8000 rpms. The difference between the two is at 8000 rpms, it 1.6 pounds less torque. The 180hp turbo has a flat power peak , 180hp at 7900 AND 180hp at 8000 rpms. The difference between the two is at 8000 rpms, it 1.8 pounds less torque. MY dyno sheet is from Skidoo from their Eddy Current dyno. All aftermarket waterbrake dynos do not show the same power curve as BRP Eddy Current dyno. One of the rare aftermarket companies that has an Eddy Current dyno is HSK Racing in Norway. HSK Racing comes up with the same power peak rpms as Ski-Doo. The Eddy Current dyno is the only dyno that comes close comparatively to the real world environment. The way bikeman, and jawz and dynotech all these other guys with their $100K watebrake dynos take reading on the engine power does not reflect what the engine will do in the real world. Its one dyno operator racing another dyno operator; its as simple as that. If you try to clutch an 850 summit to run at 77~7800, I can promise you, you are going to be stuck.....Lots ! ! !
@xGR1MxREAPERx
@xGR1MxREAPERx 7 ай бұрын
@@iBackshift so basically what I said 7800-7900 lol? Wtf are you talking about dude. 😂
@joeywadz5710
@joeywadz5710 9 ай бұрын
F Nickelback Joe!
@RIDESERVICE
@RIDESERVICE 10 ай бұрын
Nice step by step videos and your products are top notch
@kwmiked
@kwmiked 10 ай бұрын
Hey Joe, The NEW GUY Joe over at SXS BLOG Needs some help on the cheap sled challenge! Maybe u can donate him a clutch set up for his 03 800 rev and i Maybe send him some studs , Would be pretty cool to see the new guy win the challenge this yr! Maybe we can help him if its allowed in the rules? Go check out they're video
@kwmiked
@kwmiked 10 ай бұрын
Once I saw he got a 03 rev I instantly thought of you to give him some advice 🤷‍♂️
@Captndarty
@Captndarty 10 ай бұрын
People just can’t leave things alone. Besides a bit of turbo lag which isn’t an issue at all my turbo summit does fine at 12,000 ft with the stock settings. If your in deep powder and or climbing your already into the boost and beyond the turbo lag.
@dwightsparkes7827
@dwightsparkes7827 Жыл бұрын
Does your gen 5 have motor mount bolts lol my cousins didn't from the factory not even any holes for them
@joebolt8873
@joebolt8873 Жыл бұрын
Can you tell me how come my 2012 Renagade Backcountry X only goes just barely 100 mph even beat a high country 1100 2014 I think if I remember when they first came out!
@iBackshift
@iBackshift 5 ай бұрын
worn clutch wear parts, improper drive belt, wrong engine speed, all contribute to low top speed
@iBackshift
@iBackshift Жыл бұрын
Another 22 turbo with our clutch kit. LIsten to the howl of the track. [Romania mountains 6500 feet] kzbin.infoiyEKUB2ujdw
@zp9898
@zp9898 Жыл бұрын
Comming over to a lynx from kitty cat land, on my demo ride that was the first thing I noticed. Nightmare high engagement. You mention getting the sled to spool quicker through other means, what do you recommend ? I'd like to get my clutching dialed before I even take it out first rip this fall. Cheers 🍻
@iBackshift
@iBackshift 7 ай бұрын
Increase secondary spring start force and combine with a lower start angle on the helix.
@800rmkpro
@800rmkpro Жыл бұрын
Purchased 3 kits, confirm they do work well, thanks Joe.
@mikecarney6141
@mikecarney6141 Жыл бұрын
Mint!!!👌👌👌
@iBackshift
@iBackshift 5 ай бұрын
Yer MINT
@robertsrbell7811
@robertsrbell7811 Жыл бұрын
Nice veido now show how to remove the bushings from the spider and outer drive no one has that it a sum of yea .
@monsterenergy06
@monsterenergy06 Жыл бұрын
Whats your take on using apancake bearing for the secondary spring?
@iBackshift
@iBackshift Жыл бұрын
A slick bearing makes a ski-doo helix angle(s) act as-if the are 4 degrees bigger. Example; makes a 47/44 act as-if its a 51/48. Makes a straight 40 act as-if its a straight 44, makes a 50/40 act like a 54/44. I dont calibrate my kits with them. Not saying they are bad or anything like that, just me personally, I dont use them. My other observation is people dont maintain them, they still have to be cleaned 1 to 2x/season or they grind into red powder.
@karnedge101
@karnedge101 Жыл бұрын
So this is a turbo sled pulling away from a non turbo with a clutch kit? Wow who would’ve thunk.
@iBackshift
@iBackshift Жыл бұрын
That's what the title says. People [not you] asked me if i had any vids to show a turbo vs a natural. So Ski-doo can make a video like that and many other guys, but I can't post one like this?
@SledDemon
@SledDemon Жыл бұрын
First time I'm seeing this holder tool Joe - I'm havin' it ! Also note something I've seen for the first time on my new 23, re-assembling the primary and the ring clip not being fully seated to secure the spring will cause the EXACT same condition as the cushion failure you displayed. Luckily I caught this during the first start up to run it up for a re-torque. I can only figure the ring wasn't fully seated on the backside on re-assemble, although the two "ends" were seated in the recess - just in case anyone else runs across it - double check that ring clip !
@iBackshift
@iBackshift Жыл бұрын
Also have seen on a brand new pdrive is the spider spring cup in the bottom, pushed right out of the spider. Buddy had to get a new spider under warranty...brand new sled.
@Gofaster2002
@Gofaster2002 Жыл бұрын
Damn that think popped off and came apart easy! Not even any swearing...
@paulclements6519
@paulclements6519 Жыл бұрын
Another great video!
@iBackshift
@iBackshift Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@paulclements6519
@paulclements6519 Жыл бұрын
Great job Joe! Have you thought about designing a clutch/engine alignment tool? BTW the new clutch holders look great!
@iBackshift
@iBackshift Жыл бұрын
Howdy. After seeing the Grip-n-Rip alignment tool and all the work that Tim did for it, I couldn't re-invent the wheel. His product is great for aligning. But now since 2020, the alignment on these G4 and G5 sleds have good align specs
@toddyuill3924
@toddyuill3924 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vija Joe been waiting a while for a new one haha and the book Are you going to do any more p drive vijas I already watched the other ones 20 times thanks again for taking the time to do them
@iBackshift
@iBackshift Жыл бұрын
Yes Mister. As soon as it dies down, i will be making more vidyas. You see my new shop in this vidja so now i have some ambition to do new ones.
@toddyuill3924
@toddyuill3924 Жыл бұрын
@@iBackshift haha awesome I took 4or 5 days and read every comment you made on doo talk about clutching over the years thanks for sharing and you are a good teacher
@bigchaloopa
@bigchaloopa Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. I replaced the 4 helix torx screws with bolts 🔩 . Now I can actually change the helix, spring without removing from the sled
@iBackshift
@iBackshift Жыл бұрын
The problem with that is people dont torque the bolts after and they come loose and damage the helix and slide sheave.
@bigchaloopa
@bigchaloopa Жыл бұрын
@@iBackshift I do agree but bolt heads are better than torx heads IMO.
@Go2Sleep911
@Go2Sleep911 Жыл бұрын
I changed my bolts too to hex heads and blue locktite and TORQUED them!! I torque everything.. including the oil drain plug on my truck lol
@iBackshift
@iBackshift Жыл бұрын
Recreation Supply QRS Tool #726-12527 recreationsupply.co/part/326073 Im working on starting to make them myself and offer them with kits.
@nickmalatesta4007
@nickmalatesta4007 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. How long until you expect to have them?
@iBackshift
@iBackshift Жыл бұрын
@@nickmalatesta4007 ive had a machine shop fk me around. 2 other shops turned it down. I bet its not going to be within the next 30 days *sigh*
@nickmalatesta4007
@nickmalatesta4007 Жыл бұрын
Can you provide a link or product name for the secondary compression tool you use? Thank you
@iBackshift
@iBackshift Жыл бұрын
link above buddy
@mattmackay221
@mattmackay221 Жыл бұрын
Your concrete protector when you broke the primary sheaves apart made me laugh.
@tryn2befree
@tryn2befree 10 ай бұрын
who was it, couldn't tell
@iBackshift
@iBackshift 8 ай бұрын
@@tryn2befree our prime miniature TURDeau.
@DrGreen-wl2ry
@DrGreen-wl2ry Жыл бұрын
Sounds like the ‘ol 8V92 there!
@iBackshift
@iBackshift Жыл бұрын
Yup. 1987 x 8v92 w/DDEC 3. 600hp [no smoke]
@Go2Sleep911
@Go2Sleep911 Жыл бұрын
Hey Joe.. waiting for the clutch kit to get here (should be Friday).. what is the best redneck way to hold the pdrive clutch when doing the arms and taking the cushion off. I don’t have that fancy tool you made up that uses the holder in the vice.
@iBackshift
@iBackshift Жыл бұрын
i think right about here kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6ecd4hvgax8r5Y im using some red-rod and a vise.
@Go2Sleep911
@Go2Sleep911 Жыл бұрын
@@iBackshift perfect :-)… I’ll get it.. i have all the princess tools.. so I’ll make it work. Thanks brother
@iBackshift
@iBackshift Жыл бұрын
Hi Alexbenoit8635. The engagement speed is chosen by the calibration development team, which outside of the engineering techs, consists of "Ski-Doo Riders" like Kuster, Rasmussen, Chaffin, McNolty, Mantaberry, Mercier...etc. When you have riders that some come from a background of racing sled use, [and from other brands that used turbo sleds with engagement speeds higher than 4000 rpms] then along comes the "baggage" of 4000 rpms engagement speed which are added into the settings. Even though the turbo compensates, inducing the engine to maintain a natural aspirated tendency, the engine still loses a little bit of bottom end torque as elevation increases. To help push through a possible lag condition as elevation increases, the tuner can raise the engagement speed. Raising the engagement speed helps the engine "Rev up" through a lag situation. Here at iBackshift, we try to overcome possible engine lag through other settings in the clutch setup. I like to get the engagement speed to 2900~3000 rpms and use other means to get the engine to rev to 8 grand in an acceptable manner.
@coastalcleaningandmaintena2884
@coastalcleaningandmaintena2884 Жыл бұрын
Man other than the turbos and 4 strokes. Sleds havent made much progress in the last decade. I think a tricked out 97 to 03 summit with a similiar track lug I don't think they were at 3 inch yet. Could compete ad keep up no problem. I think it's more of the creature comforts that have made big advancements. But electro digitals are a pain in the ass anyway. Cool tool tho. So 8100 rpm is it nowadays for a brand new BRP? I thought them 2 strokers where well over 10k by now
@alexbenoit8635
@alexbenoit8635 Жыл бұрын
Hi joe I’ve got a 2023 turbo I will be ordering your kit I’ve hade your kit on my last 3 sled. Just want to now why do they have such a high engagement from the factory what dose it do for the ride ?
@iBackshift
@iBackshift Жыл бұрын
Hi Alex. I answered you in another post above, thanks, Joey
@curtisbuhs306
@curtisbuhs306 Жыл бұрын
Over rev cured!
@curtisbuhs306
@curtisbuhs306 Жыл бұрын
Love it!
@mike0chek
@mike0chek Жыл бұрын
joe your words at the end of this video do not get you enough credit. first hand experience to grow ones knowledge is priceless. thanks for taking the time to share your work with us!
@rolly79
@rolly79 Жыл бұрын
grate show like it ,,,,skidoo 2016 600 rs dragrace 500 feet ideal ramps ? and rmp
@iBackshift
@iBackshift Жыл бұрын
The stock ramps are great. Where you are going to get off the line the hardest is to have the engagement speed as close to 6000 as possible, then choose your helix start angle, somewhere in the 70 degree start for .31.
@rolly79
@rolly79 Жыл бұрын
@@iBackshift just afraid it would spin out im running 46-44 now and bearly staing put in the starting matt. My engagment rmp is 5800 .would a 70 launch harder ? In theory when in starting from a startmat the prlmary wont pull all that helx angle at 5800 r Mp actually does it soften up the launch?
@carlrafun1290
@carlrafun1290 Жыл бұрын
My 08 XP 800 is doing this exact same thing, stock motor and pipe. Can ride all day and it still does it. I have added more pin wt to the point of pulling down the ramps and it still does it.
@iBackshift
@iBackshift Жыл бұрын
You said stock engine. Umm, still, did you shave the cylinder head? Zoomies also happen when people dont run the exhaust shields with their ceramic wool to insulate the pipe. Getting pipe surge when the exhaust pipe never gets the chance to heat up.
@ruthlacross4858
@ruthlacross4858 Жыл бұрын
@Dynamo Joe the head is stock and nothing done to the pipe, all Insulation is intact