You forgot its instantaneous aoa underperforms too, esp withe the instructor, which makes it even worse in arb
@jordancourse510214 күн бұрын
Remember guys Russian Bias according to blue mains
@lukewhitehouse410314 күн бұрын
Ok maybe show how the flankers acceleration is overstated? Or how it flies now like it has TVC? Or the insane AOA? Or how it doesn't lose energy? Or the fictitious dual R-77 pylons? Flanker sure is suffering right now
@squishface8008514 күн бұрын
@@lukewhitehouse4103 If you watched any of my previous videos you would see that flying like it has TVC is something that planes like Eurofighter, F-16, etc are also capable of doing. How about this...you take your Flanker in SB and I take my F-15A and let's see how that dogfight goes?
@lukewhitehouse410314 күн бұрын
@squishface80085 Don't play SB play RB Venting my frustration at having to face Flankers in a Tornado F.3
@hemendraravi47878 күн бұрын
rafale/eft all perform like they have tvc , explain eft performing a cobra ? , explain eft floating in the sky at low speeds.
@MrRobschnieder15 күн бұрын
Too bad the su-27a is still 13.3 and stuck fighting euro fighters and typhoons instead of its counterpart the f-15a 😂
@t0k4m4k714 күн бұрын
13.0
@MrRobschnieder14 күн бұрын
@ 13.0 for air RB where it does face tons of uptiers. And it’s still 13.3 in sim where it’s permanently forced into top tier
@brodykloster210214 күн бұрын
First off both are wrong, it’s not the su27a it’s called the su27s, and second it’s 13.0 not 13.3
@MrRobschnieder14 күн бұрын
@ First off it was a typo relax lil bro 🤓, secondly it’s 13.3 in sim and permanently stuck fighting top tier.
@thegenericguy830915 күн бұрын
36:00 the viability of flying right above enemy AFs is why we should get tiered area air defenses in sim smh wheres the I-HAWK and SA-4 batteries this is totally not because I am desperate for SEAD gameplay its definitely for balans trust
@clouddrain15 күн бұрын
Good workd, but it's like throwing a rock at the pond. Loud but not really effective. I compared IRL turn rates of su 27 and f15a with what we have in game. It's a massive dumpster fire, same goes with missiles. Gaijin can't model shit accurately.
@jollywanker954915 күн бұрын
Go on do explain the missile part please I am curious now
@hughmungus503314 күн бұрын
What did you find on the F-15A turn rate?
@clouddrain4 күн бұрын
@@hughmungus5033 some old soviet charts, basically f15 is better at high speeds, and flanker at low. Both equally at 700-800 kph
@clouddrain4 күн бұрын
@@jollywanker9549 too much to explain tbh, and I doubt someone will watch it
@Yvarov16 күн бұрын
It feels like Benis. It smells like Benis. It looks like Benis. It is Benis.
@Femboy_lover161114 күн бұрын
Say benis but replace b with p. Relax liberals it's called dark humor🥶
@Hatzik16 күн бұрын
Yet Russian mains complain about having no good top tier fighter while having one of the best AAs, best Helicopter and very decent tanks
@lazer223816 күн бұрын
And US mains complain about everything while having one of the best fighters, one of the best multiroles, the most versatile top tier tank in game, the best light at top tier which allows you to spawn one of the best multiroles after a few scouts and a kill. SPAA just overall struggles against new top tier CAS Pantsir is no different Helis are very niche, after the internal parts update they stop working due to any stray fragment, why didn’t most other helicopters get such an update? Although I agree Kamovs are strong I prefer spikes due to fire & forget. A proper top tier fighter would be nice. You know, with an actual radar. Alongside with the addition of proper jets to other nations that are missing 4.5 gen’s
@ДонныйАдмирал16 күн бұрын
Pure schizophrenia
@-..----.--.-...15 күн бұрын
Ah yes, best helicopter and very decent tanks will definitely come in handy in the fight for the air superiority
@Femboy_lover161114 күн бұрын
Not everyone is playing grb all day
@kurnass200011 күн бұрын
Yes a pantsir S1 and KA52 will help the fight in air RB
@pouletbidule983116 күн бұрын
no more nussy 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
@lameducky16 күн бұрын
But squish how is blue side supposed to cope if russian aircraft arnt handicapped. Are we supposed to actually get good at the game ??
@thomasferguson200616 күн бұрын
“Russian bias“
@superfamilyallosauridae650517 күн бұрын
is the litening II useful for finding targets in sim or is it a nightmare to use as an IRST?
@squishface8008516 күн бұрын
@@superfamilyallosauridae6505 I generally just use the radar and RWR for the F-16C. They are good enough that using the pod for finding air targets is kind of pointless. There are probably some cases where it would be useful...like looking at runway threshold for guy taking off...but generally speaking I would say the juice is not worth the squeeze.
@superfamilyallosauridae650516 күн бұрын
@@squishface80085 my thought here was in not pinging RWRs so people flare less when you shoot at em, but i guess in the aim120 world it doesn't matter as much
@milosterzic645217 күн бұрын
Thank you for your research, amazing work once again!
@j.r.linden967917 күн бұрын
Hey best War Thunder video ive ever seen. Just to make sure i understand your main point, 4th gen FBW jets in game dont just have AOA limits that are too high, but also are way more controllable then they should be in the deep stalls they are able to produce because of it. Right?
@Eric-t5t9k17 күн бұрын
Yet we Russian Mains still fly circles around vipers and eagles in sim games ;-;
@Kumyar16 күн бұрын
So did i in the F1 vs MiG-23 with 1.5t of bombs on my plane. Whats the argument here? That we are top 1% of all players in WT? Or that the average sim pilot is bad. I'd say the second one.
@ComradeKrupple16 күн бұрын
U are comparing a really good jet with good manoeuvrability to a bad jet that only can fly in a straight line. Oh and visibility is not good also in the 23
@Kumyar16 күн бұрын
@@ComradeKrupple F1 cant outrate 23. Especially with 1.5t of bombs on board.
@СергейНикольский-я2ц16 күн бұрын
@@Kumyaryep, I very doubt that it can outrate MiG-23 even if F1C has min fuel and no armaments and MiG-23 carries 20mins + 6 missiles PS: it can outrate MiG-23M though cause its FM is incomparably worse than FM of the 23ML/MLA/MLD
@Kumyar16 күн бұрын
@@СергейНикольский-я2ц I agree. I dont know on how many mushrooms that guy is, but no way in hell will F1 ever outrate 23. F1 does have insane instantenious turn, but it will bleed off so much speed, it stops turning very quickly. As soon as 23 swings its wing wide open, its over for F1.
@julian924117 күн бұрын
We wont talk about the Mig29😂
@elmanco688516 күн бұрын
Fulcrum pushed into oblivion
@SimplySinful17 күн бұрын
The
@pouletbidule983116 күн бұрын
true
@Femboy_lover161114 күн бұрын
Ok
@clankplusm17 күн бұрын
In the case of the airshow 13s 360, isn’t that one of the air shows when it was just coming out and propagandized? It’s possible they may have removed heavyweight equipment (radar)
@squishface8008517 күн бұрын
@@clankplusm I constantly end up with this same question. The answer is that it's technically possible but every time I ask for a source that verifies this claim...nobody has ever been able to provide any evidence beyond "well you can't trust the Russians...airshows are propaganda...blah blah". There is no situation or fuel load in the game where you can duplicate the 13 second turn to my knowledge. I've even tried it on 40 seconds of fuel...which is the equivalent of removing 2 small SUVs worth of weight from the plane compared to minimum fuel weight.
@zero_strategy17 күн бұрын
Bro got that L + Ratio from squish
@ДонныйАдмирал17 күн бұрын
Yes yes yes yes yes propaganda is a russian invention Propaganda only exists in russia Only russians lie to everyone and to themselves Russians really love their country and cope so much about their beloved aicraft Gayjin bless russian bias!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gayjin are russian so they make russian vehicles op because propaganda because ussr because communism because murica weak because capitalists suck because RUSSIA FOREVER RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA STRONKEST RUSSIA SU-27 COBRA AIRSHOW VODKA ⚪⚪⚪⚪ 🔵🔵🔵🔵 🔴🔴🔴🔴
@Rek1emMScar17 күн бұрын
this has being discuss a lot of time. Russia don't have special model for airshow.. For prototypes like T-50(su-57) is the other way around. In all early airshow the plane was flying with limiters at 6g. Because they didn't have tested the max strength of the frame. I remember that there is a interview/reportage/documentary of the first time that they tested how much the frame can endure. But I don't think they have change the Limiters for the T-50s.. Nov Last year. Sergey Bogdan was doing the airshow without G suit. Unless the guy its a monster that can endure 9g like its nothing. Su-57 prototype still flying with the Limiters.
@jaek424216 күн бұрын
yet another flanker fm skeptic L!!!!! all too common!!!!!
@TheBuccaneerIsHot17 күн бұрын
Silly mistake, it isn’t clearly fake and it isn’t about the rafale so they won’t accept it
@tristanblair445315 күн бұрын
As if the rafale isnt also missing over half of its shit. France has been getting shafted harder and longer than russia has. Theres so many open sources about the mica EM range being 80km and they slapped accepted to bug reports of it over a year ago n still no fix
@a_catfish518017 күн бұрын
Hey man I’m kinda new to sim, I know how it works I just ain’t the best at it yet. what setup and controls do you use? You got a video on it? I have a setup I like on my vkb but it’s always nice to draw inspiration 8:02 REDFOR player number moment
@1KosovoJeSrbija117 күн бұрын
Is this russian bias in the room with us now?
@raketny_hvost17 күн бұрын
Seen your bugreport after mention on Ru forum. If you are speaking for buffing low speed performance in exchange for some supersonic performance, then I'm all for it
@goliath341317 күн бұрын
where russian bias when its my turn to experience it
@thegenericguy830917 күн бұрын
in Soviet service the MiG-29 did not operate the R-27ER, in spite of compatibility, owing to doctrine. might've changed if the war went hot but the MiG-29's 'primary weapon' was R-73, just as F-16's was AIM-9, with R-27R/Ts giving it a secondary-but-competent BVR capability. they didn't see a point to procuring a heavier and more expensive version of the missile for a regime that the MiG-29 was supposed to merely be competent at, especially as MiG-29 already had range and time-on-station issues. so while the modular nature of the R-27 family permits the MiG-29 to use any version of it without problems, historically, R-27Es are not a weapon system for MiG-29 until after the end of the cold war.
@HalIOfFamerКүн бұрын
Kinda funny considering mig 29 has really good range if you don't overuse the burner, and you don't need to use it that much because this thing flies at it's maximum sub mach speed at like 30% throttle and the acceleration isn't even decent it's great.
@FarțResidue17 күн бұрын
b-but then the flanker would be good . . . how am i supposed to crank the WEZ now? also f15 has 104-0 kd, so any plane thats better isnt historically accurate 🤓
@ghostscl108416 күн бұрын
The F-15 in game is only limited by the BR system. If it were to face MiG-21s and Su-22s, then it would most definitely dominate. Add to that that the average War Thunder player doesn't know what they're doing.
@kurnass200011 күн бұрын
104:1 actually got shot down in 1991 by a mig25, and it only fought 3rd gens
@mathewtheis91397 күн бұрын
A massive chunk of those kills were helicopters and unarmed aircraft with untrained pilots
@FarțResidue7 күн бұрын
@@mathewtheis9139 guys i know, i’m being sarcastic
@kizvy17 күн бұрын
Yes sigma
@Янус_Ырт17 күн бұрын
Still, after the "fix" Su-27 now at least has a chance
@ДонныйАдмирал17 күн бұрын
Copium 😢
@thegenericguy830917 күн бұрын
flanking my peanits rn
@pouletbidule983116 күн бұрын
woah it's the dude
@CREELAST17 күн бұрын
GAIJIN DO YOUR JOB, Squish best sim wt youtuber by far 💯
@pouletbidule983116 күн бұрын
realest
@ForwardKinematics17 күн бұрын
Really good video, and very good points about that BR in particular, it's truly a shame considering the fun that those aircraft can create.
@kendesimon417717 күн бұрын
One thing you mentioned , they could seperate the values from sim and realistic battes. But ill doubt it will happen , the servers are already kinda suffering.
@ForwardKinematics17 күн бұрын
Great flying, I definitely loved flying this way prior to the angle gating update. But, defeating Fox-3s was too easy and now it's more realistic to how it works. To your point of AOA limiters and Gaijin not adding these things because mouse aim, it is unfortunate, and I think it'll stay that way because of the fact that the player base is largely on mouse and keyboard, playing RB and AB for example. I'd love it if they instead added it into SB for the sake of SB, this problem however is substantial considering it's requiring them to consider balancing these higher tier aircraft around this in ways that are unrealistic for example. Hope something changes and AOA limiters get addressed, it's unlikely however.
@RogueBeatsARG18 күн бұрын
IMO the idea of deleting the FBW limitations were bad, if i wanted to play a Jet game where the F16 can pull 20Gs id play Ace Combat 7. and its not an insult to AC7 game is great. But WT (at least Realsitic and SIM) are supposed to have realistic flight models, that includes flight by wire limitations, structural stress damage and all.
@squishface8008517 күн бұрын
I hope the fact that only some approximation of fly by wire limitations are implemented in the game was clear in the video. It's not that they were deleted...it's that their approximation is not consistent across the board...and the lack of at least some of the limitations are especially detrimental for sim gameplay.
@jansatamme652118 күн бұрын
looking as for american equipment you went by the introduction date (which is here and there), then for the mig-29 it would be 1983, r-27e would be 1990, r-73 would be 1984 (mig-29 was designed with the r-73 in mind and shouldnt even get r-60m in game, while it is the r-27er the -12 and -13 shouldnt get)
@thegenericguy830917 күн бұрын
R-27E was introduced long before 1990. it was in wide operational service alongside the Su-27 from '85 onwards. the USSR didn't declare something as "in service" until the manufacturer had met all its obligations to deliver a working product in order to put pressure on them to get their shit together, and the Su-27 didn't meet its requirements (primarily for the radar's service intervals) until 1990. as Su-27 was the only user of R-27E in Soviet service, R-27E "entered service" alongside the Su-27 for the same reason. MiG-29 did operate R-60s, primarily in training but also in some patrol configurations (2x27, 2x73, 2x60M) for drag reduction.
@jansatamme652117 күн бұрын
@@thegenericguy8309 for the american equipment he used the intorduction dates so he should state the russian ones as those as well, because the mig-29 entered service after the f-16 because it was literally made as a counter to that and to clear up the period where the mig-29 carried r-60ms instead of r-73, which was at best 1 year but practically not at all
@thegenericguy830915 күн бұрын
@@jansatamme6521 it should get R-60Ms because it could and did use them IRL. it shouldn't get them 'instead' of R-73s but it should still be allowed to carry them
@ГеоргийМурзич13 күн бұрын
@@thegenericguy8309 9.12B could use those, not 9.12 or 9.12A
@anthonyrivera172718 күн бұрын
I dont think the realism should apply to RB, but should apply to SB
@sakyuz608018 күн бұрын
why is everybody talking about fbw? did war thunder announce something about fbw?
@squishface8008518 күн бұрын
@@sakyuz6080 I don't know why anyone else is talking about it. I'm taking about it because I find the subject interesting and it does have some implications for sim gameplay.
@zayf176018 күн бұрын
Hey, so the Rafale FM just got buffed in STR and while trying it out I found that Statshark was overestimating it by a whole 2 °/s (no missiles, 30% fuel, 700 kph IAS). It was more like 1 °/s for the EFT. Do you know if these discrepancies are representative of Statshark in general, or are these exceptions? Btw my testing wasn't optimal, as I basically just use full real and trim controls on my keyboard.
@squishface8008518 күн бұрын
@@zayf1760 My experience has been that Statshark will deviate from my testing by about 1/2 degree on most flight models but it will also skew consistently for the most part. I also have ongoing bug report in Statshark discord for flight model inaccuracies so if your testing has significant deviations you should bring it to developers attention. Prae has been pretty good about updating the program and is pretty dedicated to making sure the outputs are correct. Unfortunately it's a lot more complex and technical than it would seem because it requires essentially reverse engineering of Gaijins flight model program.
@zayf176018 күн бұрын
@squishface80085 Okay, thank you for replying!
@schonka218 күн бұрын
man, I have learned so much in this video, thanks for making it
@kizvy18 күн бұрын
Chat is this real
@gabrielneves660218 күн бұрын
"unfortunatelly, pilots have been exceptionally successfull in discovering new combinations of airspeed and maneuvers that will result in loss of controls with sometimes irreversible consequences." what th fuck was happening in israel?
@squishface8008517 күн бұрын
I think this is something that was true for all of the early F-16s. The initial fly by wire system was analog and was later changed to digital. Exactly what that entails and what that actually means...I can't comfortably explain in detail because I haven't fully wrapped by head around it.
@TransportSupremo18 күн бұрын
Fighter generations is like the astrology of plane nerds
@ДонныйАдмирал18 күн бұрын
What's the point of playing sim game when "historically accurate fbw is no fun"? Its not fun for the f-16 player lol, but fun for his opponents :) Gayjin chose money here. Actually there are so many double standarts at top tier, the game is dogshit One thing I didnt hear(maybe Im deaf), is that the contraption of those f-16, EF2 and others can collapse at too high AOA and high speeds, it's not just "stall and fall". And stalling stability is also a big problem because it increases so stupid much. And yes, F-22 MOST OP EVER SUPER MEGA MAGA JET, F YEA Stealth is invisible for cameras just like civilian people in camo in the street are invisible 🐵🐵🐵 36:22 thats dirty
@raketny_hvost18 күн бұрын
selective realism is literally condition where most games exist. you just need to implement it properly. oke, let's imagine i'm Vasya ol' Soviet boomer, i just like plaens and not care about which numbers did another boomer write into manuals. F-16 has abysmal ammo capacity (hello you clown which increased team number in ARB), and i can admit that. but then i look at Mig-29smt and a question arises. and it's VERY important for ARB since you can't always run and do frags just passing by (with exceptions), you have to defend yourself sometimes. plus, maneuvering is obviously more fun. sadly, Gajub don't look at gameplay means as well. they don't look at tournaments as well. and only way to make them WORK (just like with some Russian politicians) is to bonk them constantly with massive complaints before it annoys them enough 36:32 lmofdslflgsodfposlsfofsofhsfhsdfsfhhhd
@ВячеславФролов-д7я18 күн бұрын
Coming from the DCS, the difference between 3rd and 4th gen is clearly seen there: 1. While flying in a fox1-capable 3rd gen, like the mirage f1 or an f4e, you aren't sure that you'll have your fox1 shot before the merge at all. And if you carry advanced fox1s, like 530f or aim7f/m, your launch probably won't happen at ideal launch parameters. There are several factors contributing to that: the radar being a fairly weak, being able to pick up the target only a few miles further than your optimal launch range at best, your radar requiring some efforts in positioning to be able to pick your target at all, labor-intensive radar operations and iff (or lack thereof), limited situational awareness. So, in a 3rd gen, you've done your job well if you got a fox1 shot at all, not speaking of doing some proper bvr and fox1 geometry 2. 4th gens have fully capable look-down shoot-down kits, along with some digital processing of radar signals, and more powerful radar sets in general, means that you are pretty sure that your fight will include fox1 bvr phase. Your opponent may utilize some tricks to avoid it, but it's hard, and you are generally counting on a bvr duel. And your systems allow you way more positioning in order to get a tactical advantage in a fox1 slinging contest, you don't babysit the radar, but do what you want to do instead, and rely on your radar to do its work in any situation 3. When dogfighting in a 3rd gen, you are really concerned about your energy. Even a lightly loaded mig21bis, with more than 1 twr can't regain speed in a dogfight easily. Thus, gen3 dogfights are slow-paced, with everbody flying at around their optimal corner speeds and really rarely doing soms high aoa stuff and being extremely cautious at cashing their speeds, because one that looses his speed first usually dies 4. In a gen4 acm, everybody is way more aggressive. Those planes can regain their speeds casually in a dogfight, thus, they allow way more risky moves, deflection shots and missing your shots when you've cashed your speed into them. 5. Also, throttle management comes into play. In a 3rd gen, you generally merge as fast as you can and burn as hot as you can, because your plane will burn any excess speed you have in a moment. Generally speaking, you can't be too fast in a 3rd gen dogfight (there are exceptions of course). 4th gen can and will fly faster than you'd wish it to in a dogfight So, where does the f14 fits here? In terms of bvr and missile slinging, it's definitely in a 4th gen league. The radar is more labor-intensive than a typical 4th gen radar, but you have a special guy in the back to work as a radar computer, and your radar has the same level of capabilities as a typical 4th gen radar. In terms of maneuverability, it controls like a 3rd gen, but with capabilities of a lower-tiered 4th gen
@TransportSupremo18 күн бұрын
What a load of nonsense
@lameducky18 күн бұрын
50:30 dude in the chat asking for PVE lol
@benbased774018 күн бұрын
Came to see squish video returned from university lecture🤓
@cameroncarley795818 күн бұрын
I know you said you rambled a lot but this was, in my opinion, a very well put together (as put together as a drunken no script video can be) and explained video. I didn’t expect to watch the full hour, but your ability to break these topics down made it a very interesting and informative watch. Thanks dawg
@squishface8008517 күн бұрын
Oh this one had beer but it also had a script. I would not be able to get through this video in an hour without one.