Well... IMO E1S1 Bronya is not even close to Sunday E0S1. You can look up Acherone/Sunday runs on YT for yourself but the thing I want to highlight is how comfy Sunday/Acheron teams feel with SP management and the array of supports that can fit in due to the abundance of SP. Additionally, unlike Bronya, Sunday provides both CR + CD buff which is really good for Acheron since she really wants CR.

@qihaku can i ask one more thing should i save for sparkle if i like her more? Sunday seems to me has lots of wasted kits for acheron while sparkle has only 1 useless talent

Since JY's E6 applies vulnerability w/ LL, it gets better with more buffs and debuffs. So yes E1 is HUGE if you have E6 IMO. But if you have E6, it will be more important to get higher stacks on LL rather than more frequent ones.

aww thank you so much! Much love.

@@JackKnightAru I’m not too sure how they might implement the SP stress but I think both the character summoning the servant and the servant themselves will use SP. This functionally means that you’re not adding one character that’s Sp negative but two “characters” (character + servant) that are SP negative. This is all speculation so take it with a grain of salt.

You can take the males of amphoreus

honestly, valid as heck LOL

"his kit as of right now feels overtuned if anything" -- yes if we consider that he will work better with new summon DPSes, I can totally understand what you mean but here I was more focusing on his usability with old units and his ability to be used outside his niche. Summon/Servant meta will inevitably come to a end and I just don't want him to be left behind like Sparkle(+ traditional hypercarries). "I feel like the point about getting hit is also very exaggerated." Maybe you haven't had this issue because you have the most meta teams that plow through the end game or maybe you are anHSR god but as someone who doesn't have a character past 1.6, this matters a lot. We can agree to disagree. "Nobody using 1.X DPS also feels like a stretch." I don't know which part of the video you are talking about but I use 1.X DPSes... Probably I was joking "does nothing use all these old dpses anymore?" and you took that literally. "with Sunday its been shown that even with a sustain, practically every single 1.X DPS can 1 cycle the upcoming 2.7 MoC. Does this put them on the same level as Acheron or Fei Xiao? Not really, but they are incredibly usable at bare minimum." And what happens when new summon DPSes releases that work preferentially with Sunday and has busted damage? HP inflation. Old DPSes are going to be left behind regardless. I mention this the the video. HP of enemies have increased into the millions I don't see why won't they increase to account for how strong Sunday buffs the new units. "I’m completely fine with his Eidolons being relative to other Harmony Eidolons" Yes.. I assume that's because you won't pull for them and wasn't planning on doing so anyway? A lot of people who wanted to pull for his eidolons no longer wants to because they are lackluster. This specific convo really is not for those who weren't even going to vertically invest anyway. It's for me and other Sunday lovers who were ready to dish out E2S1 or even higher.

@ fair enough, guess I just have a different perspective on these kinds of things. Sorry if I misconstrued some of your talking points/didn’t catch the joke. Good video overall, hoping the Sunday pulls go well

@@bronben5479 Oh no, I just wanted to clarify in case you didn't understand what I was trying say. It's okay to disagree with me (i'm not the arbiter of truth or anything like that). This whole video is like "personal bias" and how that affects how we judge characters. No flame here and my apologies if I sounded combative or anything like that. Thank you for watching the video.

We got V6 which was just wording changes so I think this is basically final.

Yep. V6 is usually exactly the same as live. It's so over 10% yunlibros (we definitely don't have enough damage% as it is)

even if,that leaves space for hopium

"why is there an issue if the Harmony character buffs the specific niche or archetype?" Because they get left behind. This isn't Genshin where the end game is easy enough to clear with teams consisting of mostly 4*s. What happens after the summon/servant meta is done? We just throw it in the trash like we did with 1.X DPSes. " Making every harmony universal will only make each one less relevant as you will just have to powercreep the older harmony unit always." This already happened. Ruan Mei and Robin are extremely universal already and are BIS for most teams. Also, Sunday directly powercreeps Bronya and Sparkle, a niche hypercarry support. So something being "niche" does not mean it won't power creep. Additionally, you can powercreep by not just replacing a character but making non-niche teams unviable. This happened w/ superbreak. I'm sure hoyo has something up their sleeves that preferentially favours the new summon meta and old characters will definitely get left behind. But aside from that... because I prefer universal units. Not every unit needs to be universal but that's just my preference.

@@qihaku I can see that, fair enough, I think they need to make more good 4 star, and also they favour the meta too which I think is the problem here, they do not keep them relevant which creates this issue.

I agree that the V5 nerf has left a bittersweet taste, however Sunday is still BiS for 1.x hypercarries like Jingliu and Seele

For real though, if I am being honest, I really hate this too. Regardless of how strong he is, I hate the fact that Sunday didn’t get a kit that’s more unique. No, he just directly power creeps another harmony character. Thank you Hoyoverse 😢.

​@@qihaku My hot take: Sunday's boring kit results from Hoyoverse's struggle to nail down the servant mechanic in time. 3.0 is just a few months away, and we're still getting new information about how servants work. When development on Sunday began, I doubt they had a solid idea of how servants would work. If Sunday had been given an interesting kit, it could have caused a bunch of problems later down the line. There is much hype surrounding the Fate Stay Night collab, and there is NO WAY they're gonna risk it with an experimental Sunday. That's why he's sparkle+, and that's why his Eidolans suck. Sunday is the stand-in support until Hoyoverse feels comfortable with the servant mechanic.

@@MyTrommer I agree with this take, from what we have learned about Amphorius and the language surrounding the "servant" characters. It really does feel like amphorius is going to be one of the main things that links us to the Fate collab, and its probably easier to controll the meta by making a strong, if not derivative character, instead of making something extremely unique before the meta settles down, and in case they want to course correct, it's easier with simpler derivative characters. People tend to forget that Hoyo tries planning stuff years ahead of schedule

Me who pulled Sparkle specifically for my boy DHIL:

The reason he can't advance harmony is because he could eternally loop with Bronya, and with her wearing dance dance dance that would absolutely break every game mode and give them both unlimited energy

I don't follow leaks normally so I wasn't aware that this wasn't common but yeah it is so strange!

Hey, thank you for the thoughtful comment. I haven't pulled for a new character since 1.6 so I totally understand how you feel. I don't trust hoyo either and I think people are way to naiive despite the fact that we lived to two meta disruptions that literally left old hypercarries in the dust. I can totally see Hoyo doing "Enemies that does guaranteed CC. Don't worry, the summons are immune" thing because isn't that how it works with Lingsha's summon? (Sorry, I don't have her so I am not sure but I believe this is true)

If you're so worried about meta that you don't like why do you even pay attention to it. Hoyo isn't gonna change its strategies just cuz u saved

@quaremoritor of course you pay attention to it. It's not like the events are immune to meta changes. I didn't have a break unit for the new simulated universe for example and I didn't want to pick the break specters because of it. Paying attention to it isn't harmful. Educating yourself with the intentions of the developers isn't harmful. What you're doing here isn't constructive. Voicing a more unified and informed dissent against severe imbalance isn't meaningless. I hate this reductionist attitude. "Just don't care about it lol they will never listen. " Like ok and how is that good for the game? Congratulations you've defended Hoyoverse. If you wanted another Genshin then you're doing your part. 👏 🎉

@@OverlordMangoGenshin has dealt with powercreep way better tbh… all units are passable. Even 1.0 4* are consistently on the top. If this were Genshin 2 we wouldn’t have needed this discussion because powercreep wouldn’t be as bad as it is in HSR.

@thederp9309 less about powercreep than the hostility and ambivalence towards criticism. From both Hoyoverse and the community. But yeah the powercreep here is bad. The difference between 1.x and 2.x is too big. It's more prudent to hold back on the beginning of 3.x as well.

Hey! Thanks for watching. Totally not a rant since it's related to the video. I actually talk about how his S1 should've been part of his kit. Sunday w/o his lightcone doesn't feel great. BTW V5 definitely worse but not by a huge margin for now (though nerf feels bad).

@qihaku Yess I subbed, great vid and I agree on all your points for kit criteria. This is the reason why I devalue and criticize Acheron sm. After I saw Sunday’s kit and his lc, I got Acheron flashbacks and started feeling iffy about it him. Despite this, I still think he’s a WAY better pull than her, just bc he’s a strong harmony overall. But, as someone who doesn’t have an invested dps yet (I’m benching Acheron and not pulling her s1, mostly out of spite), it might be better for me to go for Herta. If I’m going for Sunday I’ll definitely want his LC which is painful, and at that point I most likely won’t have a proper endgame dps. If he didn’t need his lc, I could slap him in another team or still grab Herta s1 despite that, but the fact that he needs it is really pushing me away

​@@kamisama4427 Acheron mains on subreddit coping that she'll get better when she's gonna get those supports for her kit, as if by that time that happens, the new meta DPS hadn't negged her by proxy 😂😂😂

well in this case... Sunday really needs his light cone it's not quite true but yes I get your sentiment (RIP Jade e1)

Hey! Thanks for watching. I usually end up using Ruan Mei for Himeko Break Teams so she's always unavailable for my Jing Yuan (sorry king 😭) so that's why I always struggle. ISTG It's because there are so many fire weak enemies in the end game...

​@@qihaku Fair! DHIL is pretty much the only unit on your account that you can truly brute force with and end game is two sides so you gotta allocate resources and teammates to the next best DPS to tackle said content (and King Yuan would surely appreciate your wise allocation of resources!). Up until I finally got Himeko in 2.5 I was relying on Gallagher as a Break DPS for fire weak content tbh (actual male Fire DPS when?T__T). At least Sunday is around the corner so your Jingyuan should be more fun to play lol

I think if you really like DHIL (I do too) and Boothill, Sunday still works great with them. Sunday enables Boothill with AA and energy. Boothill really wants both since he needs to be the one breaking the enemy and his ult implants phys weakness. DHIL works good with Sunday as long as Sunday has his S1. Without it might be a bit hard to use alone. OR you can also use Sparkle instead of getting S1 to remedy that. I'm definitely getting Sunday for my DHIL since i don't have sparkle!

@qihaku I do plan on pulling for Sunday too! I'm just kinda.... whelmed xD and you're right, I think I underestimated how nice Sunday will be for Boothill, compared to my E1S1 Bronya. he is less SP intensive than her. so that will be very nice (and the energy as well). so you decided to get Sparkle then? I remember watching your account review a few days ago, and you said you didn't like her, so you skipped (correct me if I'm wrong!) so what made you change your mind?

@@sleepymilky Oh no, I am not getting Sparkle. I'm getting Sunday E0S1 for DHIL (sorry if that was confusing).

@@qihaku oh, i'm so sorry, i might have misread! sleep deprivation moment. i wish you good luck on your Sunday pulls. hope you get him and his LC early after losing to Bailu xD

LOL I totally get this on a logic basis, but emotionally I am so checked out... I am a man of turbulent emotions... Maybe I will continue pulling.... stay tuned!

@@qihaku I also understand that when you have been saving for a long time, you start to give more importance to jades.