TC: Sunday V3 with Jing Yuan (E0 & E4) is BROKEN | Rotation Calculations

[@chokeolatte]

YES! Finally someone who shares the same idea that S1 Sunday is still a very good pull because making a harmony like Sunday SP positive just allows for so much versatility and greed with other teammates!

[@qihaku]

I argue S1>E1 but I know people will disagree... haha! Glad you enjoyed the vic.

[@GamersGod009]

Can just use Bronya LC tho Most of us already have it And With Bronya LC+E1 It'll be better

[@tartagliasjigglydworshipper]

​@@GamersGod009Bronya's LC is fine if you can consistently 3turn ult at least. but it's night and day difference in terms of SP generation.

[@stanliu6885]

​@GamersGod009 Day 1 player and I don't have Bronya LC. Also you need S3 Bronya LC to 3t ult.

[@qihaku]

@@stanliu6885 I'm so confused why @GamersGod009 said this even though I said what you said in the video (2:55)

[@tsuki5993]

i love you for this, you're a breath of fresh air really

[@dachosens1]

youve convinced me, after sunday e0 i will try for lc first!

[@qihaku]

YAY!! S1 agenda worked. Thanks for watching :)

[@amp-le4699]

Just for clarification, about his energy: - if i have his lc, i dont need Lushaka because i get enough energy for a 3 turn ult. Therefore i can use smth like a 2pc spd set instead? (I have a Kalpagni set with cracked cdmg rolls i rlly wanna use on him but i didnt know if thatd mess with his er) - if i dont have his lc, as long as i have Lushaka and Bronya lc s3 i can get my ult in 3 terms all the same? But if my Bronya lc is s1 then id have to rely on getting hit? Im still confused cause im a dumdum and had to rewind that part of the vid over and over, so idk if i understood that correctly. Thank you for these calculations!

[@qihaku]

@@amp-le4699 you are 100% correct. Though i would say lukasha is important because Sunday provides no attack buff himself. The dps will wear spd boot so their attk is tanking and hence why lukasha may matter a bit! Also cd has diminishing returns (for Sunday, bronya, sparkle) so their cd buff to the dps doesn’t get exponentially better with a bit more crit dmg. Meaning i would still suggest lukasha even if its not for the energy needs. If you have robin ( she gives a lot of attk) and you plan on using her with Sunday, you may not need lukasha on Sunday. Hope that makes sense.

[@amp-le4699]

@qihaku i see :0 so for my Ratio for example, 3.5k+ atk with 75/150 crit stats 12% more atk would be more helpful for him than sunday's extra cdmg (assuming he has 210% cdmg) ? I rlly appreciate you answering these questions sm 😭🙏🙏

[@qihaku]

@@amp-le4699 if ur ratio on attk boots? If so Hes going to have to change to speed (if u want to use him with sunday) and then yes attack def matters more in this case.

[@amp-le4699]

@qihaku he is on spd boots! Do i still need lushaka w those stats?

[@qihaku]

@@amp-le4699 dang! Your stats are super good! I would say it matters less. Esp if u plan on using an attk orb! So go for whichever with better substats.

[@Sunhwk]

I'm giving him my s2 Bronya LC and hoping for the best, bc there are too many variants for me to even try his LC (I want Fugue too and I also want the dps coming on 3.0). All of that on a 50/50 bc I have no guaranteed.

[@midasnightmare9766]

Ppl called me crazy for going for qol lc or edlions over dmg ones when i prefer manking crazy team comps who clesr the same time as ur 0 cycliers 😂

[@qihaku]

NEW VIDEO ROASTING SUNDAY'S EIDOLONS BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL BAD: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6PXoHejpq9jg80

[@qihaku]

Time stamps 00:00 START 00:54 Sunday's Energy Req 03:38 Jing Yuan E0 Rotations w/ Sunday 07:54 How Sunday Buffs Jing Yuan per turn (E0S1, E1S1, E2S1) 12:51 Jing Yuan E4 Rotations w/ Sunday 15:49 Closing thoughts

[@sladeTek]

I feel like people are not getting how good his s1 is... e1 is just a boring dmg increase that can honestly be taken over by a future nihility unit while his s1 changes how his mechanics works and turns him into better sparkle. Im hoping that his e2 sp generation isnt just a 1 time buff thing because its really just not worth it. Hoyoverse can easily make bank off him if they just made that e2 more appealing and considering most people are willing to go dolphin for e1 they might as well take advantage of making that e2 more appealing.

[@qihaku]

1) I too hope e2 sp regen becomes permanent (and not "first ult only"). At this point, I don't think any of Sunday's eidolons are worth it. E1 is good but not 180 pulls good. E2 is weird and underwhelming. He has so much dmg increase sources that e2 giving more just means diminishing returns. I actually don't understand what the hell the point of his E4 is? I did the calcs (not shown in the video) but it basically does nothing. All the extra energy generated just overcaps -- even when he has S5. E6 is also so weird. This honestly should be built into his kit, considering that he gives 20 CR or change it to something entirely. 2) I think people really like "big damage number go brrr" and don't really consider rotations as much. I know people were also down playing how Jing Yuan's e4 as just "some extra energy" after Sunday's kit was leaked. My calcs clearly show rotational/sp usage difference which affects team comps and flexibility....

[@sladeTek]

@ Word on the street is that CN players still want him buffed and are still unsatisfied even with his v3 meanwhile most western players outside of Sunday mains think he’s getting nerfed because he’s too busted. I definitely think his current kit is now better but I’m still hoping for buffs to his base kit especially moving that e6 to base. Honestly, I’m still kinda hoping they add that energy overflow into his kit that was leaked before. He should offer something unique so that his kit isn’t just sparkle+Tingyun+bronya into 1 unit. His e1 is honestly alright but his e2 is eh. I personally haven’t done the calcs for his e1 so I’m not sure how much of an upgrade is it especially for nun summon units.

[@qihaku]

@@sladeTek CN is based and correct!!! I also want his kit to be more unique too so yes i really hope some changes are coming....

[@absolenGD]

Kingyuan main

[@lolol6391]

Sunday e4s5 2t ult with 5% err planet

[@qihaku]

Edit: yes you are right!!!!!! Sorry for my miscalcs!!!

[@lolol6391]

@@qihaku (5+8+30+8+8+30+8+8)*124.4%=130.6 3 lc proc 2 e4 proc

[@lolol6391]

​@@qihaku(5+8+30+8+8+30+8+8)*124.4%=130.6 3 lc procs and 2 e4 procs

[@yukiyuki5833]

(5+8+30+8+8+30+8+8)*124.4%=130.6 3*8 from lc 2 skill 1 ult 2*8 from e4 Correct me if im wrong

[@qihaku]

@@yukiyuki5833 oh jeez i think you are right. I forgot to account for the ult giving 8 energy!!!! Thank u for correcting me

[@RioT1234-r3i]

what speed do you reccomennd for him

[@qihaku]

@@RioT1234-r3i i would say above 134 and also -1 speed of ur dps. Someone like boothill runs hypderspeed so if u r using Sunday with him, sunday needs to have one less speed than the dps. (I.E. if boothill is 162, then Sunay is 161). If you are running Sunday with Jing yuan (speed 135), his speed should be 134. Hope that makes sense.

[@tartagliasjigglydworshipper]

I'll get his S1. I won't really pull for the first few "summoners" that will come in early 3.x. I just know that later "summoners" will be better. FF and Fei proved it. I'll just use Sunday with my Argenti in the meantime.

[@ArchangelSunday]

Okay I didn't watch the whole video yet but E4 Sunday is useless.. I'll watch it in case I may have missed something but I strongly doubt so. From my calculations, if you have S1 you always get a 3T ult anyways with an ERR. However if u don't want an ERR then u pull E4. Now as for his new E1 is NOT a significant buff. Def shred has diminishing return below 80% and this buff only provides 40% in summon team comp and Jing Yuan has no way of ignoring/shredding defense.

[@gyamfid.k5070]

If you have a ton of damage buff multipliers a 10% def down gives a much bigger damage bump than stacking on what you already have. 40% is a pela ult 👀 you don’t need 80% def down for significant damage increase.

[@ArchangelSunday]

@ The 20% all type res pen is overall a 25% damage increase but it affected EVERY SINGLE DPS equally. Now with V3 it turns into a 26% damage increase for summons ONLY, and an 11% increase for the rest of the characters. This IS a nerf for people who planned to play him as a hypercarry support :)

[@qihaku]

Hey I did the calcs. His E4 is useless w/o his S5. You can see me talk more about it in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6PXoHejpq9jg80si=mLF0e9MnSLcKRp3-&t=488

[@ArchangelSunday]

@@qihaku @ I've also already done the calculations so I did know that because I plan to pull his E6. Unfortunately I can't pull S5... so it is completely useless for me until I waste god knows how many pulls to get 5 copies of his signature lightcone just to make use of his E4.. I'm sorry but even as a whale myself. Eidolons' potential SHOULD NEVER be hidden ONLY behind pulling even more superimposition for a character this is complete bs imo.

[@qihaku]

@@ArchangelSunday don't get me wrong, I totally agree. this is awful. I don't think i've seen Hoyoverse do this for a character yet (Locking an eidolon's potential behind a S5 of respective character's signature) and i hate it see that they want to start doing this... (esp for a heavily anticipated character/first male limited 5 star harmony character).

[@Hunters_path]

Is that baizhu?

[@qihaku]

sorry? I'm not too sure about what you said... I'm talking about Jing Yuan and Sunday!

[@daniel698324]

Great video!!!, very much agree about S1, a lot of people are sleeping on having +0.6 SP, full uptime on his Ult (Without this he isn't even SP neutral in his base kit!!) and 45% dmg, I honestly think he is one of the most valuable LC's in the entire game

[@qihaku]

i honestly think its more valuable than his e6 at this point so yes hard agree!!!

[@Nahstyah]

Please hoyo jing yuan rerun in 2.7 Lost him to bronya in 2.0

[@qihaku]

I'm 100000% sure they will. They have Jing Yuan as the trial character for Sunday so it would be comical if he was not offered alongside Sunday.