TC: Roasting Sunday's eidolons because they suck

[@wtpiv6041]

This is my first exposure to your videos. And it was glorious.

[@BenBeckmane]

Few things that are wrong in this video : "Ruan Mei's E6 is very bad" - her E6 makes her passive break dmg when an ally breaks an enemy go from 120% to 320%. With Fugue incoming, exo-toughness will make her talent trigger _twice_ which is roughly ~300k added damage from talent alone with E0S1 Lingsha and E0S1 Fugue on the team, which beats Robin's added damage from E6 in the short term. "Sunday beats Sparkle out of the water at her own niche" : No. Sparkle's niche is slow, high SP usage, hard hitting DPS characters, characters that self-buff their DMG%, and monoquantum. For example, if you compare the buffs of Sparkle on a Qingque that has used enough SP to max her self- DMG% buff, VS the buff that Sunday would give Qingque, Sparkle's buff is stronger. Giving herself DMG% means Sunday's DMG% buffs have diminishing returns... It's around ~35.61x dmg multiplier with Sparkle, and around ~28.17x dmg multiplier with Sunday. Since Qingque doesn't _want_ to have double turns, just like DHIL, because of her very high SP usage, Hyperspeed Sparkle is better at her own niche. That and Sparkle's light cone doesn't take until the second cycle to stack up and give the full buff, it's permanent as soon as you use her ult for the first time, and it gives more damage value than Sunday's LC, on top of being for the WHOLE TEAM instead of 1 character, while not giving her more SP gain like his does however, but the SP gain is in her kit anyways. And since Qingque doesn't have a premium limited 5 star Quantum powercreep yet, you can imagine that once that character comes, Sparkle will be better than Sunday for it. Her niche is intact.

[@qihaku]

Thank you for your thoughtful comment. "With Fugue incoming, exo-toughness will make her talent trigger twice which is roughly ~300k added damage from talent alone." I believe that break damage scales with the toughness bar. Fugue's exo-toughness is half as big as the original toughness bar. Meaning, it wouldn't double RM E6. It would improve the damage by 50% (not 100%). Furthermore, I think E6 shouldn't depend on other characters to reach max potential. The fact that you kind of need to get other limited characters to make it do a lot more damage is a minus for me. (ie. Robin E6 dishes out good damage regardless of her team mates, as long as they hit the enemy.) This is honestly personal preference so we can agree to disagree. "No. Sparkle's niche is slow, high SP usage, hard hitting DPS characters, characters that self-buff their DMG%, and monoquantum." Honestly, I think you've set a very narrow niche for Sparkle. She was the go-to harmony unit for all hyper carry units (minus DOT & Break) even if her kit buffs mono quantum specifically. Sunday has replaced her as BIS for many many teams and hence why I said "Sunday blows her out of the water in her own niche". I think you are correct that she's better in mono quantum but based on some theorycrafting I've seen, Sunday's BIS for DHIL as well -- "a hard hitting, slow DPS". (probably because Sunday provides additional energy to the DPS.) Overall, what we disagree on is what counts as "sparkle's niche" but I hope you can understand why I said what I said. "Sparkle's light cone doesn't take until the second cycle to stack up and give the full buff, it's permanent as soon as you use her ult for the first time" Yes, but Sparkle's DMG talent also takes time to rack up (minus QQ and DHIL). Additionally Sparkle can't ult after her first turn where as Sunday can. So Sparkle's buffs are comparably backloaded compared to Sunday. "it gives more damage value than Sunday's LC, on top of being for the WHOLE TEAM instead of 1 character" People don't really do dual DPS sparkle unless they have Sparkle E6 so I'm not too sure if the buff being applied to everyone matters in the grand scheme of things. It is kind of antithetical to the supporting a "a hard hitting, slow DPS" but other than that, it's a great LC. I would say since Sparkle gives so much CD it is diluted but Sunday runs into this problem with Damage Increase so same difference. Welp, thank you so much for reading the entire thing if you did

[@BenBeckmane]

​@@qihaku Sparkle's talent only takes 3 skill points being used by any allies including her for her full buff to be running and permanent, though, which is basically only 1 turn, while Sunday's buff from the LC only goes up on _Sunday's_ turn when he skills, which is much, much longer. If Sunday goes twice per cycle, it's only maxed out by cycle 2, Sparkle's buff is ready by the third SP you've used, which is basically her pulling up the DPS, the DPS attacking once, and then one other ally doing something, and the buff is maxed. Edit : Actually since ult counts for it, it's up by the end of the first cycle instead Yeah, I admit that Sunday took most of Sparkle's "niche", I was just pointing out that he didn't take "ALL" of her niche! In the case where they'd release a quantum, self-dmg buffing DPS to powercreep Qingque (Masked Sampo? Castorice? Cipher?) then Sparkle would have her own archetype in which she performs better than Sunday. With Remembrance being here it's also possible that this Quantum DPS could be a healer and DPS in one (for example the character healing and the servant being a DPS and both scaling on HP) so that you can run that team with more sub-dps's and not waste Sparkle's team-wide buffs. Also, I've checked a video for a Fugue showcase, and it seems that both of the ice damage breaks from Ruan Mei deal the same damage from both breaks, even if they come from the second one with Fugue's talent! Not sure exactly how it works, but it seems like it _does_ double it and not add 50%, but it was a great thing to point out regardless. Also yeah, Sunday is better for DHIL, but you can tell that DHIL wasn't designed to be permanently attached to Sparkle like Qingque was. For one, he's imaginary so he can't use her ATK% buff that scales off the amount of Quantum allies, even if small. Second, he doesn't boost his own DMG% when using the SP to boost his default atk like Qingque does, and instead boosts crit dmg. DMG% is the stat that Sparkle boosts the least and crit dmg is the one she boosts the most, so it's not synergistic, diminishing returns. And third, her best DPS would most likely have an ult like Acheron/Feixiao/Firefly/Rappa so that the energy regen doesn't matter. So yes, the niche I'm referring to is extremely specific, but it does exist. It's just a matter of time before said character comes out, until then Sunday is basically better at everything but Qingque, and Qingque is bad, so it is what it is.

[@qihaku]

@@BenBeckmane "Also, I've checked a video for a Fugue showcase, and it seems that both of the ice damage breaks from Ruan Mei deal the same damage from both breaks, even if they come from the second one with Fugue's talent! Not sure exactly how it works, but it seems like it does double it and not add 50%, but it was a great thing to point out regardless." DANG! My apologies. I just assumed based on the break damage equation and I shouldn't have. "Sparkle's talent only takes 3 skill points being used by any allies including her for her full buff to be running and permanent," Thank you for correcting this! I was not aware that it was a team wide stack. And for the rest of your comment, I definitely agree. I'm not the biggest fan of Sparkle but it's unfortunately how she's been kicked out outside her specific niche. And thank you again for the thoughtful comment!

[@BenBeckmane]

​@@qihaku No worries! You've learned something, I've learned something, so it's a win-win. Personally I love Sparkle and Sampo and the Masked Fools because they're the characters that have the most interesting lore. Why are they secretly helping the trailblazers and driving the entire plot from behind the scene? What's Sampo's true goal? How did Sampo get Seele's scythe to give it to her, where did he get it? Where are they from? What is the World's End Tavern and why is there one on Penacony and one on Amphoreus? What are Sparkle's true powers? How did she put you to sleep and send you to the "Real Penacony" by herself? How did she know about Robin and Firefly's "deaths" and give the hint for Aventurine to figure it out? Why is it that in the fake credits when you decline to follow Aventurine's plan, that Sparkle is the only one that didn't end in Ena's dream in the "bad ending"? Why is it that when you use the "Rating Gun" curio in Herta Space station on Sampo, it gives the same result ("Rating Invalid") as when you use it on emanators? What was the "mission" that Sparkle was given by her "boss" to accomplish on Penacony? How did Sparkle make Black Swan realize that there was a mistake in your memories? (with Misha being in the real world) And, how come the only 2 characters to ever defeat us in the story was Sampo (putting us to sleep) and Sparkle (putting us to sleep as well)? How come Aha is the only Aeon to realize that they're in a simulation in the simulated Universe? I can't wait to see what's up with all of that. It's the biggest mystery in HSR to me, and the fact that they act like fools so that nobody realizes their significance, and it WORKS, is insane, too.

[@qihaku]

@@BenBeckmane OMG yes. I LOVE the masked fools. Sampo is one of my faves so I really hope they go ahead and tell us more about them soon.

[@qihaku]

Well, this video aged pretty well with V4. Let's keep hoping some changes are coming to V5 because otherwise, I don't think I'll vertically invest in Sunday (other than his light cone). Hoyoverse, if you want money, you know what to do.

[@qihaku]

SORRY FOR THE REUPLOADING SHINANIGANS. Love y'all!! 00:00 Intro 01:35 Reiterating the value of S1 04:33 E1, the best eidolon 06:16 E2 is underwhelming 07:58 E4 basically forces you to pull for S5 09:48 E6 is a QoL/comfort eidolon and now I am sad 10:43 Comparing Sunday's E6 w/ other Harmony E6s 13:00 E6 in action w/ DPSes 14:23 1140 Pulls to get to E6 15:29 "Powercreep bad when its not a waifu" (Complaining about Robin) 16:59 Some changes I would make to his E6 18:05 DELULU LAND 19:10 Closing thoughts

[@ttjlakca]

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[@qihaku]

aww thank you so much! Much love.

[@UltimatexGoten]

I'm happy to see someone else talking about it. Before his kit came out I was set on E2S1 expecting a similar level of power compared to the other Harmony eidolons. In V1 it was a similar case where to V3 every eidolon except E1 was outright terrible, but at least E1, despite somehow being worse than Robin's, was a great way to further buff older and weaker 1.x DPS to make them feel viable. Now in V3... As you've said, his e1 isn't bad, it's good, but I much preferred the universal use and appreciation of the RES pen as opposed to the def shred. I really wish they at least just buffed the old e1 to 2 turn duration instead of changing to def shred on 2 turns. But within the context of your suggested e2 buffs, I agree with that too! Why would they slap MORE damage buffs onto the e2? Either give a ludicrous atk buff (80%+ let's say, to further offset the loss of using SPD boots over atk on most carries), or turn it into Res Pen, or a multiplicative damage buff like Acheron's... have the SP effect be every ult, or do what everyone was hoping for and just scrap most of it and provide the energy overflow/Brain in a vat effect people were hoping he'd provide. I really cannot comprehend how they went from the horrible E2 in V1 to an equally horrible E2 in V3... And the rest of the eidolons are equally as sad. I can only hope that V4 brings reworks to every eidolon again, E1 less so but still. This was my most anticipated character for a LONG time, even when his face was just leaked in 1.5/6 and I skipped most 2.x characters for him, so I'm pretty disappointed that he feels nowhere near as unique as they could and should be making him feel at the very least with his eidolons.

[@jamesfrancisgalang7350]

Maybe bc they wanna Promote Triple Lushaka which is almost equal to using Atk% Boots/Rope/Orb

[@qihaku]

@@jamesfrancisgalang7350 Does Lukasha stack? I wasn't thinking of this until you mentioned it so thank you!

[@qihaku]

I totally agree.. AAAAND I am very disappointed with w/ V4. I hope V5 brings about some actual changes to his kit/eidolons because otherwise, I don't think I'm going to vertically invest in him (other than his light cone)

[@jamesfrancisgalang7350]

@@qihaku Yeah it does stack

[@sladeTek]

Well V4 rolled and we got nothing… I’m kinda disappointed if this was it tbh. Let’s just hope they push through with v5 changes even though they rarely have massive changes at that stage. I’m kinda worried about how they’re treating his eidolons as an indicator for his future relevance. I also agree with your take that he should have his own summons to at least consolidate his role as a summon support because at first it really did seem like he was just better Bronya and they called it a day.

[@qihaku]

ugh.. I'm also very sad because of V4. "better bronya" is so boring but I guess hoyo doesn't want money. I know quite a few people (including myself) who do not want to vertically invest in him anymore bc of his boring kit/bad eidolons.

[@sladeTek]

His e1 actually got nerfed WOWWWWW

[@qihaku]

@@sladeTek I SAW THAT AND LITERALLY SCREAMED. DO THEY NOT WANT MONEY? Now I don't even know if I am going for E1 anymore. Congratz hoyo. I really hope CN players get mad and do something about it because that's the only way they make any changes.

[@MdAzure]

Subscribed,liked the vibe you have

[@qihaku]

awww! thank you. much appreciated.

[@rust5427]

What I wanted his eidolons to be since what we got is shit 😢 E1: Increase of crit rate of talent by 10%. Convert excess crit rate to crit damage by 1:3%. E2: Applies 25% res pen to beatified ally. If the ally has a summon, applies an additional 25% res pen. E4: Every 2 turns generates 1 sp using ULT. The ULT regenerates give an additional 15% energy. E6: After using ULT, advance sunday immediately. Sunday can advance harmony allies now.

[@bunnywifalaptop3684]

The reason he can't advance harmony is because he could eternally loop with Bronya, and with her wearing dance dance dance that would absolutely break every game mode and give them both unlimited energy

[@BenBeckmane]

Why would you build ANY crit dmg on your relics at all if the conversion was 1:3 and not 1:2? You know that the value from crit dmg main stat chest is EXACTLY 2x the value of crit rate, right? (64.8% vs 32.4%) Same for substats, the average roll on crit rate is exactly half of the average roll on crit dmg. So 1:2 is exactly how it should be, especially if it's the E1 50% res pen for allies with summons is absolutely ridiculous for an eidolon He's more than SP positive enough with his LC to need more If he's SP positive and can advance other harmony allies you can infinitely advance Bronya with him and advance him by Bronya until you have the ult ready and then you can use the ult to "advance him immediately" to get a free turn for the DPS making it so you can do infinite attacks and clearing content in... 0 action value. Great.

[@sayakblader6018]

me feeling good because I'm too broke to pull eidolons anyway

[@AK3SH1]

I'm getting him E0S1 nothing else what a waste i love sunday i simp for him but that's all i will invest

[@SaltySpamwich]

I rather have his old e2 back who cooked this

[@qihaku]

there must be a man hater @ hoyo headquarters /j

[@thedg2531]

W tbh it’s refreshing to have a character be really good and not have their eidolons fix their kit or something cringe like that. I wouldn’t care if every units eidolons were trash from on but that’s not gonna happen

[@qihaku]

well in this case... Sunday really needs his light cone it's not quite true but yes I get your sentiment (RIP Jade e1)

[@bunnywifalaptop3684]

I'm, genuinely disappointed over his Eidolons, don't Hoyo want money??? We need more people to talk up about this because his Eidolons are just stupid

[@ArchangelSunday]

Yeah I've also done the maths, to me it's complete bs. So what hoyo is telling us basically is "Oh u wanna whale for that character? Well fuck you you're not even rewarded for spending MORE THAN 1k ON HIS EIDOLONS BECAUSE THEY'RE LOCKED BEHING HIS S5" and it's NOT ONLY HIS E4 but his E6 too. I did the calculations for that and if you compare him to Sparkle's E6 basically they have similar crit damage buffs HOWEVER Sparkle makes it AOE where Sunday doesn't do SHIT. Example : let's say both have 200% crit damage. Sparkle E0S0 gives a total of 24% of her own crit damage + 45% = 93% crit damage buff. Now Sunday E0S0 gives a total of 30% of his own crit damage + 12% = 72%. That's basically around 20% less. Now Sparkle's E6 additionally buffs the original amount of crit damage she gives from her own by 30%, so idk how much her E5 buffs her skill EXACTLY but let's add around 2%, it would add up to 56% of her own crit damage + 45% = 157% crit damage. + SHE BUFFS THE WHOLE TEAM. Now Sunday's E6 allows him to stack his crit rate buff up to 3 times making a total of 66% crit rate and make each 1% of crit rate exceeding 100% giving 2% crit damage instead. Counting that most dpses have around 80% crit rate (being nice) this makes a total of 92% crit damage additionally to his initial 72% which adds up to ≈155% crit damage buff. This is MID. Extremely mid. Disappointing like this does not make sense to me.

[@qihaku]

genuinely infuriating. I hope they change it so that his e4 works w/ s1.

[@ArchangelSunday]

@@qihakuImo they "could" keep it like that ONLY if they added something else to his E4. Robin's E2 buffs allies speed by 16% PLUS she regains 1 extra energy from her talent. Her E4 cleanse all her allies PLUS give them an additional 40% eff res. She almost feels like they gave her 2 eidolons per eidolons and I'm not even talking about her broken E1 and E6 lmao (btw I added some more information as to why his eidolons make me angry mostly his E6 if you want some extra info on it that I calculated myself)

[@qihaku]

@@ArchangelSunday LOL HAVE YOU SEEN V5? I AM SCREAMING.

[@ArchangelSunday]

@ Yeah, I'm deeply disappointed ngl lmao, I used like 60 pulls that I was saving for Sunday lmaoo. "Technically" these nerfs don't affect Summons/Servants so he will still be BIS at what he's supposed to do. However I'm not really a Jing Yuan main.. I wanted to mainly play him in my Acheron team so yeah I'm screwed

[@ArchangelSunday]

@ He can now be considered the Harmony with the worst Eidolons in the game. Even Tingyun's Eidolons are better atp and I'm not even kidding

[@rodrigosampaio9928]

You're so right I hope they buff him 🥲 i rly want his E2S1