$1800 as well!

'Almost as good as durace" - but not better.

How short is too short a stem length if the frame size down doesn’t allow for enough stack? Short legs, long torso, short arms and not 20 year old flexible.

So it's 'just as good' as Dura Ace with a throw away power meter / can't change chainrings. Once Shimano gets rid of wires, SRAM is in trouble.

Jeez I got like 1 degree of hip internal rotation on that test. Guess I'm screwed for cycling

This man is a gem

By "water" you mean "beer", right!?

Newsflash people - rim brakes are disc brakes! In principle, rim brakes are more effective than disc brakes because they benefit form the "long lever" principle (grab a spinning wheen two inches from the hub and then 15 inches from the hub and you'll feel this in action). What really limits braking force is not traction but the tendency of bicycles to pitch, caused by the catastrophically high centre of gravity of the traditional double triangle design. Put differently, when was the last time you locked your front wheel? Modern disc brakes are essentially a heavy servo system which, admittedly, is more effective in the wet and the mud. That's it.

I bought a disc road bike on a whim one day and instantly regretted it. I'm sure that 99% of these bikes are getting sold because of convenience and a warranty.

Wheeltop EDS TX an alternative SRAM RED

One solution is to change your daily sneakers with barefoot shoes. Merrell has a couple of barefoot shoes that look good. Don’t run with them, just walk around as you normally would.

Not sure if the "stopping power" argument is 100% true! I've gone flying over the handlebars more than once, long before disc brakes (for bikes) even existed!!!

One reason you should not listen to this 🤡

@KarlGuillois how many mm back did he set your cleats on each foot?

Oh man, is THAT why I've had hand numbness all this time? I've been trying all sorts of things, and switching to SRAM hydraulic from the mechanical groupset immediately caused problems. That was 4 or 5 years ago.

What about Lake heat molding insoles?

What about Lake heat molding insoles?

On the bike in the background, why is the saddle slammed all the way forward?

now that’s as good a reason as any!

"APPROACHING pretty much what you would get from a top end Shimano group set."

I still bike fitters are charlatans

Having taken two years off from looking at bike gear (2 years doing zwift races) I came out of my basement and went in search of a nice steel frame with rim brakes....or maybe a titanium frame...I was shocked to find the carbon, disc brake, electronic shifting, tubeless tire takeover was complete. I'm glad Tom Ritchey still has the Road Logic...I was able to get a rim version in a size 55...which selling out everywhere. A steel frame, rim brake, mechanical shifting bike is a different experience. Sad to say it appears as dead as the manual transmission

the winners over the years was the one whom sits on the saddle, the rider!!!

WTF! Neil has gone to the disc brakes?

Could you do something to show us how to put the foam in to the old force please I have this and get the numb paws. Ideally I’d change to new force shifters but it ain’t cheap

The lever shape is just the best and i don't have it, Shimano have a low entry lever similar..id still have Sram anyday 👌

So they were selling $4000 top end groupset which was not ergonomic for 4 years.

Which means it's nearly as good as Ultegra 😁 which is a fraction of the price and shifts better.

When a Bike Fitter actually measures something that Peak Torque, an Engineer btw, can't be bothered to but complains about nonetheless

Perhaps talk about the chapter 2?

The inflection point of the hoods is +6mm from previous gen, same as 12 speed dura ace, which isn’t ideal. Old rim brake shifters were much better in terms of reach

Okay, so it's massively expensive and shifts worse than Shimano DI2. You're really selling it, sir 😁

i got a sram red axs but i am very interested to replace the hood/levers with that new one. can i do that without replacing other parts as well? is it fully backwards compatible? also, where can i buy that already? i have a hard time finding any retailer (in switzerland) selling these parts.

Great, different review! Great!

great to see/hear this after the initial wave of hype/youtube overload......extra pad clearance is probably the thing i've been wanting on my rival brakes compared to everything else being fine. .

The funny thing is that the new groupset is still not as good as Shimano, lol. Buy 105 and buy a bike a or two for the price of this groupset.

But sram is always a pain with that dot fluid …

Campagnolo shift levers have had way better ergonomy than both Shimano and Sram. The new Red is just getting there, yet everybody is raving about it, for 5k. Joke.

Well done sram, you are almost as good as ultegra for 7k...

5k for the groupset. That's literally the cumulative price of my 11 road bikes

I miss the bulge on the front of the brake lever

Good info! Hard to believe none of the early reviewers could be bothered to stick a ruler on the hoods and verify their effective length.

why do you guys all pronounce it "schram" when it is clearly called sram?

This is why you can only gauge volume by KJ with a powermeter.

Still more expensive than my most recent car.

Always enjoy the aussie banter here, world class advice not too harsh either.

Fuuuuuuck that price! I'll stick with mechanical thanks very much.

After watching many bike fitting videos, I'm curious about the potential limitations of bike fitting. While some similarities to pseudosciences such as e.g. chiropractic or homeopathy exist (focusing on individual needs rather than standardized approaches), I recognize the need for more evidence before forming a strong opinion. Here are some specific concerns I have: Focus on accommodation vs. technique: Do some fitters prioritize mechanical adjustments over teaching proper riding technique to address body quirks? Subjectivity in evaluating fitters: Is there a clear way to distinguish between qualified and unqualified fitters? Universality of anatomy claims: Is the statement "everyone's anatomy is different" an oversimplification that might downplay the effectiveness of standardized fitting principles? I'd appreciate any resources on evidence-based critiques of bike fitting. As the public becomes more critical and science-minded, it will be interesting to see how bike fitting practices evolve to ensure their effectiveness.

Great video and one bike fitters in general are in denial about. Worth pointing out; there's a serious shortage of Q-factor options for the road for more than 56mm pedal center-to-crank. The Shimano/Look road pedal center-to-crank standard is basically 52mm with some 53; Garmin and Favero power meter pedals can be set at 53 or 55, you can gain an extra 2 to 3mm on each side with a Shimano GRX crank and front derailleur (which can be combined with a longer pedal), SPD MTB pedals are 53 or 55, and coming in at 56 for the win is the Mark Cavendish-demanded long-axle Shimano SPD-SL. Then it's a big, big jump to the 64 or 65 of a Favero pedal axle for Shimano. And then in the low 70s we have a standard road pedal plus an extender, concerning to me in view of the Amazon reviews that discuss them breaking. In any case I just don't like doing things that only have a single vendor, so the Favero duo-Shi is out, and I'll probably do a 56mm pedal and see if I also end up needing to go GRX on the crankset. I've managed OK with 52 Dura-Ace, but it's clear from the fit done by my physiotherapist that I need wider; this kind of hinted at about 58-59 as being ideal.

Looks nice