@@khatack Thank you 😊

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@Augustus087 Not gonna lie... I only finished RoP because I wanted to be in on Charlie Hopkin's jokes. I didn't wait for episodes of RoP to be released. I waited for his ingenious roasts!

But she is already centuries old by this time. She lost her brothers in wars she didn't take part in, she didn't take part in the fight against Morgoth. The series comes across as her being very chill for 1000 years, then RoP happens, and then she's back to her chill Lothlórien self.

Someone sent me this link in another comment. Now I HAVE to check it out 😅

It's really good. Though it makes you wish for that character, and the show that she would have been in. Instead of what we got.

@joshuafears4123 Gonna listen to it during my next break. 😊

Bahaha! I have not heard about this! I gotta check this out.

I hope to do more like this. But probably won't make them so long. Haha!

🤣🤣🤣 Yikes! Well, I enjoy the thought experiments. I think it's good to always consider how something could have been improved. Even if just a little.

Accurate observation, I'd say. The mark was just totally missed.

This is one of the interpretations. I found it hard to believe that she would inflict slavery on the world, so I tried to consider what this could mean if she had good intentions. That, I think, it when the ring is most dangerous. When it makes you believe that it can help you do good things.

Eh... the logic of the dialogue is better than WoT S1... but the quality of it isn't much better. They should have hired Old English and Shakespearean linguistic experts to rewrite a lot of the dialogue.

I'll bow to your expertise as far as dialogue. But at least the WoT characters are marginally closer to their book counterparts. Rings of Power has to make up 90% of their story because they don't even have the primary source material (Simarillion). It strayed too far from the lore for me.

@@tay-dor7147 yeah. They should have adapted something they DID have the rights to.

@@TheSwordAndThePenREFLECTIONS They also seem to be attached to their cast and so are compressing thousands of years into a couple years so the puny humans don't have to get swapped out. I guess they didn't learn from GOT House of Dragons.

@@tay-dor7147 I wouldn't have minded seeing a Middle Earth at various stages in it's history. But it would have been a completely different kind of show. Haha!

Cats!

That seems like a good assessment to me. This would also explain why a show with so much vfx and action was so boring. If there's very little emotional value under the action, it means nothing. And the only way to build emotional value is to spend time giving it meaning and working on creating those moments. That's tough to do when you habe so many characters like this and can't even se how several of them even matter to eachother. Like.... what was the point of the Harfoots?

Oh wow! I love this insight into the translation. I had this wonderful about her love being unattainable, and this being the reason for the despair. The German translation seems to suggest this, somewhat.

@@TheSwordAndThePenREFLECTIONS yes it fits with your idea, have you ever seen something so beautiful it hurts? That was my train of thought but I think overall it conveys the same thing of something otherworldly that stands above the “common folk”

@@jonnyjonsen Yes. I agree. That is the exact feeling!

Can't believe how well it holds up as a cinematic experience. I really enjoyed it.

Bitte!

@@TheSwordAndThePenREFLECTIONS haha sorry, this was my first money heart thanks, I didn’t know it would comment in German 🙈 but thank you for replying in german 🤗

@@jonnyjonsen My mother speaks German fluently, so I knew the words, but didn't know how to spell them 😅

@@TheSwordAndThePenREFLECTIONS oh that is interesting ☺️ is she from germany? Maybe not a conversation for the comment section though 😉

@jonnyjonsen No. She spent a lot of time there as a child, though. Her father (my grandfather) was from that region, until the Nazis chased his family into Switzerland. Just like the Von Trapps. Lol.

Hammer! I don't know the lore that well, but I did hear from a couple sources that Galadriel could probably only be defeated by Sauron. I wonder where folks are getting this from, if it's not the case. Is it talked about in the Silmarillion? Or maybe one of Tolkien's letters?

@@TheSwordAndThePenREFLECTIONS Silmarillion goes into more detail about the nature of the Ainur, the Valar and the Maiar, as well as that of the Elves. I fully recommend giving Silmarillion a read to see just how far this rabbit hole goes. Also the appendixes in the Lord of the Rings contain quite a bit of information.

Haha! Yeah. I remember. But there is something to be said about having a humble heart, as well. I think Boromir was a noble man, but his pride was what made him more vulnerable than Faramir. I think the ring is not capable of creating goodness. Only the illusion of it.

@@TheSwordAndThePenREFLECTIONS Well, to be fair, Boromir did shoulder quite a bit more responsibility in his life than say a hobbit. He was the son of the steward of Gondor and had lived with the burden of power and responsibility his entire life. Couple that with his desperate need to protect his people against an enemy he knows they can't possibly triumph against. Remember that by the time of the Fellowship, Boromir had already been fighting a losing war against Mordor for quite some time. The fact that Boromir resisted the ring as long as he did and even after was able to redeem himself speaks volumes about his virtue. Also Faramir had been mentored by Gandalf quite a bit and had the benefit of hindsight regarding Boromir's death, not to mention that the period which he was in contact with the ring was WAY shorter. With Boromir, the ring had ample time to build its influence. I think you're still selling Boromir short by miles. For someone in his position, Boromir was plenty humble and I really wouldn't feel comfortable judging him for failing against a power no one could resist. He wasn't an ancient being of myths and legends like Legolas, he hadn't been raised and mentored by elves for his entire life nor had the venerable age of Aragorn, he didn't have the inherent resistance to domination of the Dwarves, nor the luxury of simple existence of the Hobbits. Would Faramir have held as long as his brother if their positions had been reversed? Not necessarily. As for the ring creating goodness, you're correct that it can't create goodness. In fact the ring cannot create, period. It enhances the inherent power and might of the wearer, it can control and it can dominate and it can twist and it can pervert, but it can't create. Remember that part when Frodo is attacked by Gollum, and once Frodo grabs hold of the Ring, Gollum becomes powerless against his will? The "If you touch me ever again you shall be cast your self into the fires of doom" part. That's Frodo using the power of the One Ring, and it could be interpreted as Frodo laying a curse on Gollum, considering that Gollum does touch Frodo again and is cast into the fires of doom as a result. That's the Ring's authority over the world. The animated Return of the King, I think from 1980, illustrates the book version of the scene more closely than the Peter Jackson films. I really like how it is portrayed: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aauwYmiJj85jpKM You can see Frodo turning from an exhausted and weakened little hobbit into an almost majestic figure, capable of commanding Gollum with an authority he cannot resist, giving just a small glimpse into just how powerful the ring actually is.

@khatack I don't think lowly of Boromir, and it is precisely for the reasons you mentioned. But the contrast of the two brothers illustrates the point I was trying to make.... about the higher moral choice being to not take it. I haven't seen the animated version since I was a kid. I really should check it out again. I love the theory of Frodo casting a curse on Gollum. The circumstances support that theory, too!

@@TheSwordAndThePenREFLECTIONS When Gollum swears to guide Frodo faithfully "by the precious", Frodo warns him that the Ring will hold him to his words, and that the Ring is a lot more treacherous than he is. I love how the magic and power of Tolkien's world is so subtle in the way it works. There's no in your face fireballs.

I wish people in Hollywood understood the importance of being true to the source material. Changes can be made, but they should only be done out of necessity due to some limitation in the new medium.... andnthe changes should still do the job of the missing material and honor the themes.

@@TheSwordAndThePenREFLECTIONS I'm afraid it is less a matter of not understanding and more a matter of not caring :/

Thank you 😊 Yeah, this will probably be the format for several more videos. I wonder if they are going to continue with the Harfoots.... they did so little in S1.

I like some unintrusive lofi, now and then.

Haha. Yeah. It took a while, but it's back now.

Oooh! Interesting details! I wonder what could have been done with facing her ambition....

@@TheSwordAndThePenREFLECTIONS With her at the start pursuing the last of Morgoth's army despite a lack of support (and borderline counter to orders it seems like) I was wondering if that was where they were going with that. "Destroyed the final remnants of the army of the great evil" especially if it turned out to be a credible threat that others didn't believe it would be quite the achievement, and likely lead to promotion / respect / fame / power. Would also inform he diving off the ship at the last minute, as returning to the Undying Lands would mean giving up on her ambitions. It's absolutely something that _could_ be motivating her character through this, and I think it's a better watch with that in mind. But I'm sure they didn't have rights to letters either. Frankly, as a project, it was kinda doomed from the moment they didn't get rights to _any_ of the relevant materials.

@velinion1 It wasn't so much the diving off at the last minute that bugged me. It was that she just seemed to get on the ship without ever responding like that was something she would agree to do. But yeah.... they should have just adapted something they DID have the rights to. Such a mistake to make stuff up.

Yes! The brothers are an excellent sampling of the "test" and what it takes to be resistant to the temptation.

Oooh! Looks good! I'll check it out!

I think they had a purpose... but they forgot how important it is to make her likeable. Someone we want to see succeed.

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I was not making an analysis based on the books, but rather the PJ films, since RoP is not allowed to adapt The Silmarillion, and it is rsther obvious that Amazon wanted to make a prequel to fit with those films. From what information I had of her from the PJ films, I did think she wanted to rule... but not for the sake of controlling others. She is wise and compassionate and caring, so I thought it would fit more that she would believe herself capable of "properly" ruling and protecting the world. But even the best intentions would result in evil succeeding, whether it be by the mere continued existence of it, or by her rule causing division, or by her turning evil.

Thank you 😊 Hopefully for the next one I'll be more articulate in how I say what I mean to say 😋

This right here. She would be a tyrant in white, as opposed to a tyrant in black, but a tyrant nonetheless. She has the foresight to see where giving into the temptation to take that power would lead her, as it would exacerbate that character flaw (hubris) and make it overbearing.

YES! This is sounds EXACTLY right!

@@bidossessi yeah. I think she nailed it in that comment.

Yeah. I think the elves in RoP felt like pointy-eared humans. I never got the impression they were super old and had centuries of experience. The concerns of a thousand year-old immortal being shoukd not be comparable to the concerns of a regular human.

@@TheSwordAndThePenREFLECTIONS I felt the same. those elvish children teasing each other and being outright cruel to Galadriel feels just so... Human.

@@David_randomnumber yeah. That whole scene was a huge mistake, I think.