Me, hearing the premise and being filled with rage: ok, we are not watching this right now
@remrevo394413 сағат бұрын
Okay, you say the book fails at being funny and for what it's worth I believe you there. But you analyzing makes it seem just hilarious! Like there are so many funny concepts you discuss, both in world building, as well as in terms of how the book failed at humor!
@sydliminal15 сағат бұрын
holy shit so I'm finally getting around to watching this, which is exciting bc I only ever read the first book in the series well over a decade ago, but also? this somehow made me remember that I _did_ read another, different neal shusterman book around that same time - full tilt. I'd completely forgotten about that until just now. it's a trip! edit 1: lmao yup it is indeed the unwinding chapter that has mostly stuck with me through the years. that and the entire concept of the tithes bc _wow_ edit 2: along with abortion & the troubled teen industry, feels like it's also inspired by the controversy around stem cell research (an issue that was politicized almost entirely because of reagan)
@sydliminal15 сағат бұрын
i can just imagine Jeremy Cinemasins sitting there, thinking to himself "I mean, I don't need to actually _research_ down syndrome - it's basically just like you're sloth from the goonies, right? eh, good enough."
@sydliminal17 сағат бұрын
do we have a list for this little club of "mean girls"/the not-the-main-character girls who got done dirty by the narrative? like there's missy, obviously, and you mentioned yolotli from save the pearls and marcie from hush hush. I'm including aphrodite from the house of night series based purely on alizee's reviews. are there any from the other stuff you've reviewed on this channel so far - halo, uglies, the command...ment, etc.? I so wanna draw them all together, hanging out or something.
@icantthinkofaname813919 сағат бұрын
1:19:39 They not like us they not like us they not like us
@mintefox20 сағат бұрын
It sounds like a bad Upside Down Magic copy
@sydliminal23 сағат бұрын
so the title is for sure an evanescence reference, right
@djelibaebi23 сағат бұрын
the writers idea of like. a teenager being punished by a genetic disease that will kill her when shes 20 (and almost seeing that as a just end) for just. acting in a way they dont like is so. petty and cruel. theres now way u can write that in a way that doesnt sound tragic without sounding like an absolutely heartless tool.
@sydliminalКүн бұрын
as someone who is super interested in like, biocultural ideas about religion and the relationship between evolution and religion and the sociology of religion, etc., this book is equally intriguing and disappointing.
@LiEnbyКүн бұрын
“Down’s syndrome” *proceeds to explain age regression* ….. huh?? I don’t think that’s how
@sydliminalКүн бұрын
the vagina dentata thing is _so_ bad in that rape committed by someone who has a vagina can now be much worse in some situations.
@gil1934Күн бұрын
I'm sorry, who's what about what now???
@martianpudding9522Күн бұрын
On the topic of person first vs disability first language, I think it's pretty telling how we generally always seem to use adjective-first language when it comes to positive things and person first when it comes to negative things. For example you can be a creative person, a beautiful person, or a person with cancer or a person with student loan debt etc, but not a person with beauty or an educationally indebted person.
@Mwrp86Күн бұрын
Cruella reviewing lightlark?
@twindrill28522 күн бұрын
As an autistic person, the epilogue with Keaton and Dirk reminded me of the way “high-functioning” and “low-functioning” autistic people are treated (I despise these labels for what it’s worth). Even though both have valid struggles, Dirk is the one treated as a problem and “too far gone” when he has to be put down. It’s oddly the thing that somehow made me the most uncomfortable.
@Crowcaller2 күн бұрын
If it helps, high and low functioning are terms that are 100% arbitrary and no longer accepted in the autism research community. A lot of people don't know the language has evolved, similarly to many people not knowing Asberger's is no longer a diagnosis- it's just autism, which is a broad spectrum. And yeah, it does cone off that way with Dirk. When people say low functioning autism they almost always mean someone who is autistic and has a learning disability- theyre separate though comorbid things.
@miritallstag3362 күн бұрын
MISSY AND HER CHONKY KITTY IN THE END CARD I LOVE IT
@KiraNightshade2 күн бұрын
Are you telling me that angel x human paranormal romance is the rough equivalent to robot x human sci fi romance? Because that's interesting as hell!
@emmettrose59602 күн бұрын
When it comes to the Deaf community, you can ask 3 people and get 5 different opinions. Many Deaf people resent hearing people talking about us like we’re failed/broken hearing people. Many HoH people identify with previously hearing, and losing some/most of their hearing. That being said, a good rule of thumb is to mirror how we refer to ourselves. If we call ourselves Deaf, you should also call us Deaf-not hard of hearing or hearing impaired. If we call ourselves deaf, refer to our condition as deafness, rather than hearing loss. The opposite is true too. If we say hard of hearing, you say HoH.
@emmettrose59602 күн бұрын
As an analogy: imagine a brilliant poet whose native language is…let’s say Portuguese. This poet is proud of their language and culture. Abroad, people only refer to this poet as “bad at speaking English.” It’s the same principle. Deaf culture is rich and beautiful, and the various sign languages of the world are part of our culture. Many (but not all!) Deaf people identify with our culture, rather than our inability to hear.
@miritallstag3362 күн бұрын
Starlings die at 25... but Celeste/Aurora is hundreds of years old... what
@Crowcaller2 күн бұрын
She's just special
@AndaraBledin2 күн бұрын
Someone involved with a crew as consistently wrong about everything as Cinema Sins writes a book with a whole lot wrong with it? Comedy doesn't excuse laziness and just flat out lying about the material. I noped out by the 2nd vid I watched, because it was just so banal and mean-spirited. It's unsurprising to me that the book would reflect the same lack of introspection, care, or follow-through as the videos.
@cleverdragon27443 күн бұрын
I wonder if they'll try to brush this off like they do criticisms of their own videos
@ChaosEnthusiast3 күн бұрын
why :(
@ErisIsAnAbomination3 күн бұрын
The whole speech after Philip’s mom died really fucking hurt to listen to, jesus christ. I’m a type 1 diabetic, and living with it really sucks sometimes. I definitely have my ups and downs; sometimes I have good days where I just go about my life, and some days I cry myself to sleep because I despise the hoops I have to jump through to keep my dumbass body alive. Hearing a book meant to EMPOWER disabled kids taking the stance that my feelings are objectively “the wrong choice”, attaching some fucked-up moral quality to it, and claiming that the morally superior and “good” option is to just “get over yourself, you whiny brat” is… genuinely the most fucking disgusting shit I’ve heard in my life. Being angry and upset with the hand I’ve been dealt in life isn’t my “choice”, and it sure as hell isn’t “letting my disability get the best of me” as if me and my body are supposed to be enemies. I refuse to pass as “normal” because my disability is an objective part of me, including the times where living with it sucks. Being candid about my emotions doesn’t make me some pathetic slave to my condition.
@miritallstag3363 күн бұрын
Forget the First Amendment, what's the United Nations thinking about this? Looking off their website, this is their definition of what constitutes a genocide: "Article II In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group [they're missing the Oxford comma at the end there, but you get the point], as such: 1. Killing members of the group; 2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; 3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; 4. Imposing measures meant to prevent births within the group; 5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. " This could arguably fall under #2, and if it doesn't, I'd imagine the UN would amend the definition because what happened to Christianity in this book's world should absolutely count. What're they doing about this? Do they agree with the Murika? Why? How do we know the agathui are about God and not Satan? Do they react to Satan stuff? What about Jesus? Why do these authors not answer basic logistical questions neurodivergent people will inevitably have about their worldbuilding?
@zorrieftmo9993 күн бұрын
Who the hell told CinemaSins he can write???
@TaniasWritingRealm4 күн бұрын
Well said. The disabled aspect drove me crazy. And the "default" into being indie is ridiculous. The purpose of NaNo was to encourage writing. Not to encourage the use of AI to generate an entire book. Their neutral stance is a contradiction to everything they stand for.
@Illposteventually4 күн бұрын
Listen man. This whole video is wrong. Cinemasins is saintly.
@arilawrence58534 күн бұрын
Very much needed this video today. I was forced out of my job because of my wheelchair use (im filing an ADA claim about it.) The worst part? I work in a special needs classroom. Needless to say, this analysis was on-topic and relieving to remember I’m not alone
@SheepShade4 күн бұрын
I thought it was fun. There are some clever ideas and twists I did not see coming. You sound like you're reviewing "Atlas Shrugged", not the equivalent to disabled" Harry Potter". Video seems petty.
@Crowcaller4 күн бұрын
Buddy. What about the disability representation. Bud. Do you think the way Donnie was written was acceptable
@SheepShade4 күн бұрын
@Crowcaller You're complaining a lot in your video how Jeremy is missing the point of abelism. Listening to you I think to myself that you've had your ethics classes and read peoples "How to not be abelist" papers or articles and talked a lot with friends, classmates and on social media how it should be done and now here you are ripping apart a childrens book where disabled people are the heroes on the basis of your formed opinion. That opinion being that there's a clear, clean line on what's harmful to disabled people. That Donnie is a harmful stereotype that, when read by an impressionable youth, will form a negative opinion on how they see autistic people. IMO that's not true and also missing the point. The point being that this book would like to show young people that everybody can be a hero, that you should not judge people by their health, physical and mental. I found myself agreeing with you on a few points (the teacher telling Phillipp to "get over it" for example) but others seem just, as said before, petty. Sure, it would be great if the town would come to the conclusion themselves that the ban on disabled people in the super sim is wrong, or Henry's argument could've swayed them, but that would make for pretty boring writing and also, that's just not how the world is. Again, this is a childrens book about inclusivity with some fun ideas and, IMO, good twists, and on that level I think it succeeds. I'm not a fan of your stance towards abelism, it's just too textbook for me.
@Crowcaller3 күн бұрын
I'm not speaking on it from a distant perspective. I'm speaking as a disabled person. I spoke about it a lot with other disabled friends who helped further inform my thoughts (like my intermittent wheelchair using friend pointed out a lot of stuff that was personally harmful to her that I missed). And her doing that is kind of the point. This stuff is harmful, especially to disabled kids... according to people who used to be disabled kids. This book doesn't deliver the bare minimum of inspring kids- it tells them the best way to be a hero is to stop being disabled and accept a lesser place in society. This is a message we get enough from society... it's not a good thing to put in a book you sell to tweens. (The lead is 12, the book series is Young Adult. Not quite "for kids"- he's like 16 book 2 and 18 book 3!) Basically... I know it doesn't bother you, but if you look at the other comments you will see a ton of people it does hurt. We shouldn't accept a "well he tried!" When he didn't. Like. Don't you think disabled people deserve better than bare minimum. The lack of research really does it for me. Donnie is beyondddd offensive and... he's not autistic lol. He's meant to have Down syndrome, but he is instead an incredibly inaccurate portrayal of a condition which is already greatly misunderstood! It isn't hard to Google "what is down syndrome" before writing it into your book... but it's hard to believe Jeremy did.
@SheepShade3 күн бұрын
@Crowcaller Ok, just watched your video again (this time not just while doing something else like yesterday) and I get where you coming from, I do. I did not remember that it was in writing that Donnie had down (and missed it in your video), and I agree that it's a pretty poor depiction. You're absolutely right in calling out Jeremy for his lack of research and lack of female characters (however, I think "mysogenistic" is too strong word for that). I work in health care and when it comes to depiction of disabled people in media I'll always try to be aware (again, its been a while since I read the book and I did not remember Donnie was actually diagnosed as down) and this book just didn't hit any red flags for me. I think Jeremy did a good enough job describing how Philip's world works and since it's written from his perspective, that of a 12 year old, I accepted his way of thinking without much deeper thoughts. I think my main gripe with your review is that you seem so preoccupied with the abelism stuff that you don't really take time to talk about the things I enjoyed about the book and that got on my nerve. You have not said a single positive thing about it and thats not a review in my book. You've given it 1/5 stars on goodreads (found your review by chance ;) ) and I disagree with you on that. Its 3/5 for me. For me, I think the book is more of a coming of age story then truly a book about fighting abelism. Will watch some more of your videos now, you seem to do a lot of YA stuff and thats my guilty pleasure (currently reading "The Hunger Games" for like the 50'th time ;) ). One last feedback, maybe hook up your monitor, its a little distracting if you look down all the time.
@DeathnoteBB4 күн бұрын
Oh I didn’t even know this _existed._ As someone who is disabled and not a fan of Cinemasins I am *ready*
@OrganismAssemblyLine134 күн бұрын
I genuinely physically recoiled at the description of Donnie (the kid with Down Syndrome). I’m autistic and if people talked about me as if I was my “mental age” I would be so mad. Infantilization is so gross.
@LittleSnowCloud4 күн бұрын
"It was 2013 and shes a WOMAN and MIDDLE AGED" is the (likely untended) funniest way to try to refute something being kinky when kink as a genre of fiction has been almost singlehandedly crafted by middle aged women. Like, the history of kinkfic Starts with older women who liked Star Trek a LOT. Saying it was an older time and this was A Woman who was Not Young honestly sounds like evidence that it IS a kink thing hdjehdkehdks
@Mango-Water5 күн бұрын
This is so far a very interesting and well-made critique but oh my god i can't keep listening because it's making me so angry that someone would WRITE THIS??? ahahahjsjdkd 😭 FOR MY MENTAL HEALTH I HAVE TO LEAVE
@LeoWolfish5 күн бұрын
Me seeing that Cinema Sins wrote a book:... how have I not heard about this? Time to watch.
@jaredfortin68105 күн бұрын
58:47 jeremy letting his oedipus complex come out a lil bit
@daplague72825 күн бұрын
My thing with Maximum Ride is that theres some really cool stuff in there (genetic experiments, body horror aspects, medical trauma, etc) and just, questionable execution at best. The core concept couldve been used so much better in a Cronenberg-esque fashion and it just, wasnt.
@Dez8615 күн бұрын
Something that always bugged me: There are a lot of character names that are just words in Spanish, and the book is meant to have a lot of Latin influence (according to the author). Oro Rey - Gold King, Azul, - Blue, Isla - Island... The word "isla" in the language is pronounced EEZ-LA. (like Yzma from The Emperor's New Groove). But, her name is apparently pronounced either EYE-LA or IZ-LA depending on who you ask because I'm still not sure if Aster ever clarified!
@Crowcaller5 күн бұрын
I've been corrected heavily because I got ot wrong book one. I read it as iss-lah, grim makes ref to its pronunciation and that fit, but it is evidently Ice-lah, or eyes-lah. I admit I have never listened to Alex Aster say it herself to be sure. She's of Colombian descent so the Spanish names are I guess a tribute to that. But as everyone points out including plenty of Spanish speakers... it's dumb. The names are silly and literal and don't quite line up (like. Not everyone has one so they stick out so much. It feels childish)
@MilesToTheRescue075 күн бұрын
I love the jump in logic from a kid with Down syndrome tripping and nearly dying not only causes the superhero’s to think about banning him but also every person with Down syndrome ever. Like bro tripped.
@ollympian_art5 күн бұрын
i kept getting this video in my recommended tab, and i figured: hey, before i watch a 3 hour long takedown of a book ive never read, i may as well give said book a fair shake-so i checked it out on hoopla. i gave up after chapter 1. here i am ready to watch the 3 hour long takedown.
@duck18315 күн бұрын
59:08 the idea that he had no clue what his family looked like is crazy. Like- did he never feel their faces?? that feels like something that most people would have done at some point. Did he never touch his dad’s glasses??
@Crowcaller5 күн бұрын
I've always heard face feeling isn't actually something commonly done by blind people, but the fact he is surprised his father is TALL is ridiculous. He would know that from hugging him, holding his hand, hearing his voice... glasses too are something if you don't feel, are very likely to hear mentioned. Jeremy just didn't think about this... at all
@JamesELFERS6 күн бұрын
The irony of a loud and pugnacious atheist character discovering that there is in fact a GOD and then kills them in the SAME book is beyond farcical!
@sexyschnidden97026 күн бұрын
I don't think I've seen one positive video regarding Cinema Sins' content, no matter what form of media
@Lakeside806 күн бұрын
59:20 "Ah yes, I a child who has never been able to see anything my entire life. Is very aware of the visual beauty standards and believe my mom is a knock-out hottie." It should've been that she is beautiful because she is his mom and she is happy. Then he later realizes other women have more even features, perfect teeth, large eyes and lashes, and his mom is a average or non-conventional. But to him, she is beautiful because of the love in her features, the warmth behind her eyes. Maybe he sees something that is stunning to him, that may be unconvential (maybe a flower or animal people consider ugly), and her eyes are much like that thing or something. I dunno, just something to convey the characters lived experience and internal feelings?
@Lakeside806 күн бұрын
53:35 Wow the amount of telling here is abhorrent. It's just 'insert scene here' like forgetting to fill in your writing notes.
@heszedjim96996 күн бұрын
The fact that you saying "69, nice" sounded like part of the text and not the page number says a lot about this book."
@BanglesAU6 күн бұрын
The other problem with writing a disability is not everyone is the same, its not one size fits all. A book like this needs to be written with input from people with the actual disability you are wanting to portray, and a forward explaining that not all disabilities look the same, maybe a link to some resources or something so people can learn more.
@mange26966 күн бұрын
Im not done with the video but yall didnt know theyve said slurs? They say the r slur multple times in their mean girls video
@thatrantinggirl73766 күн бұрын
Wait, the one girls allergic to the sun and can control the weather??? And she isn’t expanded on at all?? Misogyny robbing us once more