Just to answer the question. You cannot seek in faith God when He has not been revealed to you, you can just search on His Existence or non existence. If He reveals Himself, you will know Who He is and it's only to bring you to His family and save you from sin and its penalty, hell. God is revealed to the humble (this is they HUGE KEY, humble yourself, convince yourself of your motives in seeking Him, and He will act to meet you) and then they are welcomed to follow Him on His terms. God cannot be found if He doesn't want to be found.

I thank GOD so much we have the Traditional Latin Mass in Uganda ❤

32:06 ok here is a very disingenuous point because its been studied and looked at that the novus ordo mass has more of the bible read then the vetus ordo and this is factual. The vetus ordo had only 60% of the gospels read to the laity at mass and around 25 of other sections of the new testament while the novus ordo has 89.8% of the gospels read to the laity. The calendar this way is far superior to the old ways. I love everything else about the latin mass though it has character. I donot appreciate this framing though because it's fundamentally dishonest.

The problem lies in that the people who quite literally make an idol of this very form of mass. Yes the fetus ordo is brilliant and beautiful and timeless and I love it. But the choose schism over it is wrong plainly, y'all claim to love the church but show the opposite by linking masses done illicitly by sspx rogues that have been already been war ed of by several bishops, rogues who taint your movement.

This was a good conversation, but unfortunately, I don’t think Fr. Pine gave satisfactory answers to Alex’s questions. I understand that human nature makes it difficult to acknowledge faults in your own arguments, but still I had hoped he would do better. For example, when Alex brought up the question about sin, I think Fr. Pine could have been more honest and said something like, ‘Yes, that does seem like a bad thing from God, and I don’t fully understand it, but I choose to believe that He is still just.’ I find it so sad that Christians are unable to condemn God for things that are clearly evil. If a human being had done some of the same things, they would be seen as worse than Hitler or other terrible figures throughout history.

Not sure why someone as smart as Alex cannot understand how a deception can also be a sin. Obviously, if we are not vigilant (let alone disobedient), we can "allow ourselves to be deceived." And in the case of our first parents, it was much worse, as they had been given life by God, they know him and what he commanded - yet they deliberately disobeyed. So, in this case they were rather full participants in their own "deception."

It's good, but I do feel like some of the questions were answered in an unsatisfactory way. Btw Alex speaks so clearly and simple, whereas father is way to advance to even grasp for me at least.

Alex has the articulation power of a seasoned orator and the naivety of a child. As he will delve into psychology and review his own role as devil's advocate, I have no doubt he will come to know God well. Keep knocking!

I think Alex would agree a lot more with what early Christians actually believed aka Marcion of Sinope.

Never seen a debate where the apologist comes even close to making sense on the problem of evil and the hidden God. Yet I watch hoping that this time it will be different, alas it is not.

Fr. Pine seems like a genuine guy and I appreciate the conversation. However I am struggling to see where he responded to Alex's questions appropriately. Most of them were not full addressed leaving them unanswered, replaced with tangential discussions.

If you think God is up there somewhere hoping you will find him (like Alex) then you dont know scripture. Jesus praise God publicly for hiding Himself from certain types of people. Part of the reason is (Psalm 138:6) . . .Though God is high, he takes note of the humble, But the haughty he knows only from a distance. . . But even the haughty will stand before the judgement seat of God. Then they can debate Him, GOD!

This guy is just making shit up.

That was my armor in dark souls 3

I love latin masses . I pray the rosary in latin and it heals my mind and body. Latin hymns are divine. This heritage should be preserved for future generations too. Thanks for this video and love from 🇱🇰

1:21:48 Alex said if I asked u to say happy birthday to my Spanish cousin and I lied and had u read something that is blasphemy. I can’t be guilty ? He leaves out part of the story. God warned Adam and Eve not to wish anyone Happy birthday in Spanish. Alex is smarter than that.

I am a practicing catholic but lately have been thinking about the old testament and the Jews understanding of it through the Torah. I caught site of this rabbi giving an explanation on the story of adam and eve that I thought was good and made sense (to me). In a nutshell; Eve was smart with the choice to eat the apple.......would love to hear any additional input after watching the link below on the rabbi's explanation. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eonbi2qIgq2nasksi=fPPgqq8kKPHpb7nd

Alex's argument for religion based on geographic area is right on. People are tribal and usually follow what people are following around them. It's not because one is true and one is not. They are all just stories. You either believe the story was inspired by God or the story was created by humans.

📖 The Christian worldview maps on our experience of reality far better than any other

I can almost see the wars over the abolishment of slavery as analogous to the descent and the fall of the angels / gods peers fighting over the freedom of the serfs. Some jealous or angry of the freedom of the slaves and some supporting it.

‘There are places in the heart that do not exist until suffering enters in’ So true

All Alex has to do is question his English liberalism and he's home.

58:04 While hearing it I conjued an image. I now know why I feel tired when I hear religious people spining in place to explain everything in the logic of man made religion. It is like talking to a person who just discovered number 2 ( previously was fine to talk using all numbers ) and was told that it is the most important number through which he should understand and explain everything else. So I think many states of the world force me to think about it as 1+3, No no, the world is 2+2, it must be, God is the idea that can not be abandoned with one and three. Using Two is the only way...

I am a Catholic and just want to compliment Alex since I have watched him a few times and never did he portray arrogance. He is respectful and humble and obviously intelligent.

Alex is politely as possible trying to get the monk to see how brainwashed he is. God the ultimate Strawman. He is not real.

The Sacred Liturgy is the worship of God, not God Himself. Therefore is it Liturgy who redeems the earth, or Christ Jesus Himself who is made present in the Liturgy? Please clarify.

Pine has no response as to why god chooses to "hide himself"...

God or Consciousness (which in the East and the higher ages has been defined as one and the same) it is ‘the hard problem’ for philosophy, it is experienced as religion whose definition is that to which we are bound. Evil comes from duality from opposition. If there was unity nothing would be manifest, no duality, no evolution, no learning or coming to full self-aware consciousness and the choice to align with reality; otherwise we would be determined autonomies. God as transcendent is without evil; in manifestation and duality it necessarily exists. Alex is missing understanding this.

It's hard for me to believe that the USA appreciates the traditional mass more than Mexico; there are many churches in the USA where this is celebrated, but in Mexico, there are less than a dozen.

Wait this was recorded around a year ago, he's referencing ken ham video?

Simple: There is no provable "One Male (as opposed to Goddess) Creator Being"; e.g., God. Words and their meanings are important. What anyone experiences within theirself is their business, but trying to prove that to another is not possible (and not necessary). Religions ( charity, community,etc.)are necessary just try and clean up the delusions.

"When we see Him, we will be blinded. All our wisdom and understanding will fall silent." Karl Jung

If you seek God and can’t find him, it’s probably not God you’re seeking, it’s the image of God in your mind you think God is. Alex has had numerous discussions with Christians and as I can tell, he’s read the Bible (maybe he hasn’t in its entirety) so God is right there, he just continues to find intellectual reasons to reject him.

If you seek God and can’t find him, it’s probably not God you’re seeking, it’s the image of God in your mind you think God is. Alex has had numerous discussions with Christians and as I can tell, he’s read the Bible (maybe he hasn’t in its entirety) so God is right there, he just continues to find intellectual reasons to reject him.

Pine is not really tackling what Alex says in this discussion

23:26 ALex gave words to the half of the population. Sincere, sober, true. Sadly acording to Christian logic this type of gods creation are going to the bin.

20:00 why so much spining... I get it, but still the amount of bs one needs to invoke, always being on the gifted side, is disenchanting...

19:00 St Teresa should write SF. Why SF was regarded as trash, and when some delusional people think about some unreali things they are right? I am sorry, but what is this?

Alex felt uncomfortable for the first little while, you can see is body language.. don’t blame him though.. he is an intellectual realising he is discussing god with a religious hippy

Alex is saying that God doesn't speak to him. And God doesn't speak to anyone who is not catholic. Do you see the problem? It's not true. God starts with you were you are, every inspiration to yield yourself to what is Good comes from God. His counterargument is that it makes all religion seem right. That counter is also flawed because love doesn't force people into what they don't appreciate. His counter to that is that God is supposed to be desperate enough to beat human social and geographical structure to make himself known since their salvation depends on this. That counter is problematic since it assumes God is unfair at Judgment day and only accepts souls who knew him in the Advanced way catholics with wonderful theology do. But the Catholic Church already answered that, God is a righteous judge and the sacrifice of Christ and his church can provide a way to salvation for the people who were sincere to truth and Goodness (God) but didn't know him with sound theology through any fault of their own. Secondly, God does beat social and geological limitations. Christian ideas are what modern societies are built with, and the inate appeal of doing good, human life having value and meaning these are the voices of God. He would then ask what then is the point of evangelism if God will judge fairly at the end. The point is the production of more material and spiritual good in this world and the provision of extra chances at salvation for souls who have chosen to reject truth and goodness in favour of a wicked selfish lifestyle.

It’s a leap of faith

We have in PL good people who made a film about LM youtube.com/@matt_and_anna?si=ZcOH8WvObRJ_76rT

I’m only commenting on the title. What happens is that “we” become believers instead instead of religious. Humans do not “find God”; but some are found by a god.

So the Christian God allows some people to suffer because, by his will, they are born into a culture antithetical to the gospel? Lots of mental gymnastics from the monk without truly answering Alex's question. The guest posits God as the luminous monster which we are bound to acknowledge no matter the cost! I'll rather take my refuge in Jain or Buddhist dharma. At least they have made some positive headway in the religious project, where the psyche of living beings are considered and developed. Theism is really the mind destroyer 😮

As a Catholic, I was impressed with Fr Pine until they got to original sin. Clearly, Eve sinned knowingly because she explained the detail to Satan. But we need to pray to have our eyes opened by Christ, not try to comprehend ourselves. Good arguments fail with poor precepts. Alex lists a series of arbitrary precepts which are not entirely the truth and then makes reasonable arguments with these poor peecepts. Thats my humble opinion.

17:10 By his definition of fairness, then every janitor in a company has the right to complain that they are not the CEO or at least a manager. And everybody has the right to complain that it's unfair for Elon Musk to not treat them as a friend.

The priest or monk or whatever he is seems with his answers, to descend into some kind of babble interlaced with references to certain biblical verses. In the end we get a meaningless string of words. The questions were circuitous but I could get to what Alex was trying to say but Pine's answers were just this babble.

As human we are very prone to impose our definition of what we think to be best on God. On one hand we desire complete freedom to act out our desires based on our limited experience in time and space within our limited lifespan. On the other hand some much are in the background operating by the.laws of physics which we ignore or incapable of sensing. We only optimize what we can account of with our senses not with all other factors that are running in the background. When things do not turn out the way what we define to be great, we blame the system; we blame God. Since where we are are results of our decisions which again are derivatives of what and who came before us, no one can have the same set of initial conditions to start with even for siblings from the same families. If Alex assumes an equal share of good fortune and opportunity is an absolute prerequisite for divine justice, then the only way it can happen is we all come out identical as a batch of products from a factory. If you define diviine justfce as everything be equal, then you will never be happy or satisfied. The sheer fact that our initial conditions differ necessitates the search of a different paths to attain the optimal states we can achieve. Those optimal states will differ depend on where we were at the beginning. Free will in human and entropy in nature are incompatible with equal outcomes. Alex needs to understand this part.

its not the time yet maybe for alex to be answered or prvailed. but for all the ones who lived and died in over 2000 years ! probably wondered what the time even means. not truly being prvailed in any shape or form except finding car keys or something better in a reality carnal way.

Alex your body language is defensive. Does pine press your world view ?