Nice list. We have been on a bit of a soul search for a new MMO to play after we stopped playing OSRS. Its still really hard to find anything that fits and ticks all those boxes. The only one that has really stuck with us is Brighter Shores but its more of a second monitor game rite now. Throne and Liberty looks cool. Hopefully 2025 can breath some life back into the genre!

Yeah but after 100hrs im at 3400gs and my build is caped at around 4000gs so p2w players will just reach this cap faster and have nothing farm for, my point is p2w is not bad when you have gear cap because every item that drops can be useful because you sell it to p2w win ppl and latter on still one shot them in pvp

you can have fun in game either way

No taming pet? Thats what makes wow so fun

Sounds more like they plan to hard develop the cooking skill tree (which i love) rather than beefing with it. Any idea when we'll get the full release?

Bro have no clue….

Pay to progress is pay to win? What does pay to win to you mean then? 😂

This game looks like it has some potential. I know you said the quests are a little cryptic but what do they actually have you doing? Are they like basic fetch quests or a bit more interesting?

womp womp

Well that kinda make sense … if you play the same and pay you progress more than if you don’t pay otherwise … why pay ? And if nobody pays the game doesn’t exist … so

You can get 3k gs in 1 month of playing and 3.7/8 in 2 +. There is a gear cap, Im p2w in mmos like lost ark, but anyone spending in throne liberty just has extra chromosome. Its kind of a game where its waste of money to p2w.

Brother there is gear cap each major gear patch.

Im F2P 3758 gearscore, put in the work; get the work back. T2 is in 4 months minimum- you will get to compete if you are playing

Unfortunately the point of this message is invalidated by the game's actual core mechanics as it relates to progression. Both players can hit level cap LONG before a season/update releases that expands that level cap beyond it's current value. Therefore, it's just Pay to Progress. Now if it starts to take 3 months to hit level cap for the average F2P player and the level cap increases every month, then that's what I'd consider P2W as it's impossible for the F2P to catch up on time to join side by side with top GS players.

Unfortunately MMO is dead for half a decade already. ARPG's with co-op such as PoE are fine and have basically a sub category but normal MMO have no future anymore. The game industry needs a full reset

Dog logic

Hi folks! This video was made *before* the game was released and as a result, a lot of the information in it is quite outdated. Here's a link to an updated review of Brighter Shores: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4Wok5RunL6ja5o

play by ur own pace..p2w or f2p...its the same thing..ur just playing...dont bother to compare ur gear to others..thats it...😅😅😅

Wow a lot of this information is wrong lol

I'm only interested in the PvE so I couldn't care less

All commercial projects is p2w projects.

the reason why people call it PAY2PROGRESS vs PAY2WIN is for a few things. P2P is just lowering the amount of time needed to reach an end goal faster then someone who does not P2P but they will catch up in a reasonable amount of time. P2W is paying to have a clear advantage over F2P at all stages of progression in the game. Meaning there is nothing a F2P can do to catch up to a P2W player either due to Pay Wall or Rapid Growth the F2P cant keep up with content. Gachas are a huge showing of P2W because they have aspects that lets a whale have a clear access to things in the game a F2P will never achieve without insane luck.

Even with your hypothetical the f2p player can still make it to 600 gs so your point won’t matter and gs does have a cap so if your 600 gs was the cap the pay to play would just get there faster but both would make it to the end at some point

No p2w is using money to get an advantage you can’t get without it or if 3500 was max and you can get there for free or fast with pay as long as both can get there it’s not pay to win just faster

Wrong.. 300$ he is at 3500GS and free to play need to grind 1500 hours for that... Dont lie you lie your self

p2w for 3.6k cp upward

Like the side menus, the chat area opens and then allows you to slide it to however many or few lines you want it to be.

Not every mmo has to be for every mmo player

But not on this game, im f2p have 35k lucent with 3.6k cp. Thats work on a different mmo

you can buy unlimited gold in any mmorpg game that was out here past 30years, why still talk about it?? obviously new players problems lol

pay to win player goes to work everyday and doesnt have the time to grind like the free to play player. Its paying to catch up to nerds..

Old School RuneScape has this sort of 1 on 1 combat style and it’s the 2nd most popular MMO in the world atm so I don’t know, people seem to like it 😂😂

Big ups, kets

The episode system removing progress from previous playtime was the downfall of cubeworld

The combat in this game is objectively bad, like mobile auto chess but worse, the rest of the game is "meh" but the combat alone is enough for me to never want to play at all.

Very rambly comment, sorry It for some reason copied the huge ugly blocky UI design of OSRS, as if anyone wanted that? It's not an artistic expression for massive boxes to take up 70% of your screen and you are left with an 800x600 game. The skills "resetting" is one of the worst things. It's not a reset in the sense of reset, but Andrew had to come out and say multiple times that you aren't losing anything. If the main guy behind the game has to come out and explain it multiple times because every single person who played it thought/felt like it was a reset, then it's a bad system. Noone seems to like it, if you understand it it might be like "yeah okay fine", but it doesn't add anything to the game. All the combat professions are the same because the combat is that so why have a different combat profession? It would make more sense if each of the "new" professions built on the previous one, if the previous skill got "upgraded" to the new one or something. Example: Forager goes to level 50, after level 50 it upgrades to gatherer. There is things in the first zone that would need gatherer levels or higher forager levels, and there is things in the second zone that would need lower forager levels or higher gatherer levels, I'm not a game designer but I feel like this would result in some continuity and a reason to head back to previous episodes or zones idk but it just doesn't feel good or make sense when all of the professions including combat is clicking on something and waiting. I also find the little diorama puzzle piece scenes really weird, it makes the game feel much smaller and claustrophobic. Look at that beach, why is that beach split into multiple parts? There is 1 tiny gap separating it but it's a different zone for some reason

hilarious how the professions in each episode are the same concept, just in different fonts, just like the drops are recycled, but in different fonts. i wanted to traverse the world a bit to find cool drops like in runescape, but you're limited to the small area on your map. still gonna play the game though LOL

The combat system is just like how it was in Runescape Classic. I'm old I know.

chapter system sucks

They game has problems yes. A few are fixed with grinding/reaching act 4 They have pushed a few hotfixes already Im extremely positive and hopeful for it’s future

Great video, man! I like the honest and constructive critique

That combat is just like RuneScape classic, it really does look boring

12 quests is lots and lots?

it's a great game, lots will develop and grow, I cant wait

Was struggling a week or so to find a main weapon set to play. Found your video, *BAM*, 10 mins in ready for GS+SnS. Thank you so much!

A big part I think you missed is gower talked about the episode system being good for people who play less. When a new episode drops and they are hundreds of levels behind the hardcore grinders they can jump into the new episode at almost the exact same starting point. That's really the whole idea behind the system.

combat system is done that way on purpose. Go play runescape classic. I love it.

Literally no one talks to each other..... and honestly good reason because there's no reason to talk to people. Yet anyway

Don't forget Weapon Mastery only applies to which weapon is your primary, so you aren't technically getting the defenses from Xbow unless it is your main hand.

The combat system reminds me of Runescape 1 (classic).