Hi @pathofCultivation thanks for your question - I would always recommend using the device according to the manufacturer recommendation. Microtraction is not considered to be a belaying device. I know guides and other use this as a back up when they are solo climbing and need a device to back them up, in those cases the rope would need to have something heavy at the bottom so the micro can move up the rope as the climber goes up. This is though nothing we would recommend as it´s not safe for the climber in the end according to the manufacturer.
@stevenclark30923 ай бұрын
Nice men
@three-alpha-six3 ай бұрын
This really seems to be a very involved way to rescue someone. It seems like you are showing the rescue on a glacier without any snow cover (as your client seems to have fallen into the crevasse without being attached to a rope). Why are you using a static 5m cordelette as safety in that scenario? It should be safe to not use a rope at all. In addition to that, a fall on several meters of slack on a static line would certainly not do you any good at all. I assume that you’re rappelling down because your client is unconscious. With all the adrenaline rushing, it is easy to loose your rope down that crevasse as it is not attached to anything when you’re throwing both ends down. Thy do you rappel on a munter if you have an ATC available that is not needed until after you get backup? I do not understand why you don’t use a figure 8 knot to attach the rope to your client, especially as it is already present at the end of the strand? How do you plan on pulling your client up? Do you simply pull that lifeless body over the razor sharp surface of the ice? Wouldn‘t it be better to carry that person on your back in the scenario that you are showing? If your client is conscious, why not just drop the end of the rope with a figure 8, ask him to attach it to the belay loop, do a 5:1 and be done with it in no time? You carry a lot of gear: you seem to carry a pulley, an ATC, two ice screws and eight carabiners but no Micro Traxion and no Tibloc. That seems a lot of weight and some of that gear is unexpected to me.
@coldsunstudio6 ай бұрын
Nice video, thank you! I was a first responder before being a guide, and I recommend adding some sugar in the "brain" of your bag. Ideally some glucose gel. It is common for clients to need an energy boost or have a sugar drop. Also, if it is gel, it can be rubbed in the gums if a person is unconscious due to diabetes. This combined with a quick chewable electrolyte pill can really bring blood pressure back up quickly.
@DougSandburg8 ай бұрын
Great with your lively explanations!
@sablinger Жыл бұрын
the voice sounds like the funny iceclimbing guy that was guest / featured on "how not 2´s iceclimbing introduction."
@robertgustavsson1920 Жыл бұрын
Nice video! You are putting a 2:1 on a 3:1 that makes it a 6:1or did I miss something?
@you2tooyou2too Жыл бұрын
Re 14:00 At this point, you have the client tied snugly into the upper anchor & ATCg, & into the local anchor/ice screw (assuming they put it in?) which they might (be told) want to remove, or else keep until they eventually feel the tension of your haul system, but while their anchor is still loose enough for them to remove. (Talk first, or yell later.)
@michaelbutler1557 Жыл бұрын
Well put together video. Great point about wearing out the front welts.
@walterwadlow9438 Жыл бұрын
Great value demo-Thanks! What gloves are those?
@glacieradventure4144 Жыл бұрын
Hi Walter - this is just a very cheap gas station gloves - will give you great sensation for the rope but quite durable.
@tjb8841 Жыл бұрын
At the time you are getting ready to rappel down into the crevasse, I think I count you are using 8 lockers and one plain carabiner. That’s a lot of gear! What’s your standard gear list for glacier travel?
@glacieradventure4144 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Tj. That's true - I would recommend to bring 8 carabiners for a standard Hard Ice glacier guiding, 6 locking and 2 non locking. In this video we use a 5 m corselet for edge protection that will eat up 2 carabiners, you could use one end of the rope for edge protection, this case you safe a carabiner there, and when going down you can take the edge carabiner with you down in case you need to use it by the victim. Otherwise I recommend bringing more gear as you are developing your guiding skills and as you progress you will learn more and be able to minimise the gear but be able to keep you and your travelling companions safe.
@marvinsiu99 Жыл бұрын
Is it the best to go there while there is daylight?
@johnserviss Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@macmurfy2jka Жыл бұрын
Munter with the break strand over the ‘biner’s gate? I know it should tighten the locking ring if braking lefty. But, why put more wear on the rope? Also no redirect off the Prussik?
@haukuringieinarsson8383 Жыл бұрын
Hi John , thanks for the observation and good point, it´s important to take details into the account, for safety reason and for environmental purpose as well. You can of course also have the brake strand on the opposite site, another good suggestion would be to keep the brake strand straight up so it will not form a “ pig “ tail in the loop, having the rope come 180 degrees into the munter minimize the curling up part and will also be kinder to the rope. All the best team Glacier Adventure
@valentynsabulis2858 Жыл бұрын
Sweet, thanks)
@jerryrichards81722 жыл бұрын
best video on this subject!
@valentynsabulis28582 жыл бұрын
Hey Mike, top thematic chanel for Iceland, thank you!
@haukuringieinarsson83832 жыл бұрын
Thanks Valentyn - Appreciate it
@cameronb762 жыл бұрын
Excellent info. But y'all are better than to play into the mental illness of modern society by rescuing "its."🙄
@glacieradventure41442 жыл бұрын
Hi Cameron, thanks for your message, we are glad you enjoyed the info and we hope you can use it for your benefit :)
@thetypetwolife36022 жыл бұрын
Bad Ass
@TheMule712 жыл бұрын
Hi. I love these videos! I've discovered them only recently. It's always important to actually do stuff in the right environment instead of "dry" demonstrations where you have to imagine things. At the same time, you keep the explanation clear but not too verbose. One thing about this video, I'd put the pulley always on the strand you pull. Since MA gets multiplied in stages, attrition reduction benefits from the same multiplication. In other words, making the MA close to you more efficient is better than making the MA close to the load more efficient. Another way to look at it: it's better to make the hands stronger than the weight lighter. Yet another way: you put the pulley where the rope travels the most, which is always the strand you pull (if not, you're really doing something wrong). Pick the one that's easier to remember. And BTW, it doesn't make that much of a difference, so in practice one pulley in the system is better than no pulleys, and sometimes better go for convenience rather than max efficiency.
@glacieradventure41442 жыл бұрын
Thanks bro for the nice feedback. And I totally agree with you, you should always keep the pulley as close to you as possible that´s how it´s going to make the most efficiency . Thanks for your comment and the improvement point.
@user-hx2vr5lv5e2 жыл бұрын
Thank you !
@shannon.lenahan2 жыл бұрын
Brothaaaaa!!! EXCELLENT teaching skills🙌🙌one of the clearest and best described/depicted videos covering top site lowers I’ve ever seen. Keep up the good work!🤙🤙
@haukuringieinarsson83832 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bro !!! always good to get positive feedback ;)
@gregggagliardi62312 жыл бұрын
Tibloc also works well and BD Gridlock can be set up to tend a simple system with just a friction hitch by running the rope through the small end of the Gridlock.
@glacieradventure41442 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing more information with the community Gregg.
@enyfd2 жыл бұрын
What gloves are you using ?
@haukuringieinarsson83832 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for your question. In this case we are just using cheep gas station glows, or the ones you use when doing gardening work, thin, cheep but last as long as the expensive ones when doing a lot of rope work.
@alexsakon2 жыл бұрын
Do you ever use atc guide at the anchor as progress capture for crevasse rescue if you didn’t have micro traction? Or is that too much friction.
@haukuringieinarsson83832 жыл бұрын
Hi Alex, Thanks for your comment, yes absolutely I would use the ATC in guide in case I would not have the micro traction. It´s important to study many different ways to set up the crevasse rescue in case you suddenly loos your micro traction or ATC. There are many ways to the same goal, the most important thing is to do this safe for you and your partner.
@andreazemanek65582 жыл бұрын
Great video, helpful to just have the camera on the anchor. thank you!
@ski4life92 жыл бұрын
You guys are a bunch of bumblers. You don’t clip into the end of the rope with a locker unless you need easy escape from the system for example glacier travel. For water fall ice you should be tied in through both belay loops with a follow through figure 8
@MikeReid2 жыл бұрын
Hey Conrad, thanks for the comment. I actually totally agree with you and in any climbing scenario with friends, I would just tie them in via the tie-in points on the harness. This video was part of a series relating to guide training in a commercial setting where we are dealing with multiple clients in a short amount of time. In this case, the AIMG (Association of Icelandic Mountain Guides) has fully accepted using a triple locking carabiner on the end for scenarios like glacier ice climbing (which this video was part of that training series). Also, you may have noticed that I clipped in the client with a "Grivel Clepsydra L K10G Twingate" which is, as noted in the name, a twingate carabiner with 2 actions to open. At this time within the AIMG, we do accept it's use in place of a triple action carabiner. Now, if we were to go waterfall climbing with clients, which would be at a much smaller client to guide ratio, we would then tie in as you had suggested.
@ski4life92 жыл бұрын
@@MikeReid gotcha! Just spiked my attention given the intro said it was for “ice climbing” not glacier travel
@ushi1202 жыл бұрын
How is written your greetings in Icelandic? Sounds very funny 👍
@glacieradventure4144 Жыл бұрын
It's Shang a lowban - not necessary a typical Icelandic greetings but more of an inside joke - means like a boss in Mandarin
@ushi120 Жыл бұрын
@@glacieradventure4144 😁👍 I thought it come from the Silver song - Wham bam Shang-a-lang. Thx for your respond. Btw. love your tutorials, great content and very good vibes. 👍
@ushi1202 жыл бұрын
Hey congratulations, very good instructional video. Perfect and very clear explanation, love it! What do you think about the technique used in this video at min 06:00: the loop with micro traxion in combination with Tribloc can be dropped from above kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYaymKKMecmBrqM Regards
@marcusp8632 жыл бұрын
I think I'm missing something but why is the application of a mule knot needed for the non drop loop scenarios? Wouldn't an 8 or alpine butterfly be effective for getting the climber tied into the system? As a side note, love the vids and the format, the 6:1 vid was great. If you're taking requests I would love to see your 5:1 z haul setup. Drop loop is rad but sometimes I'm fearful I won't have enough rope to do a drop loop.
@MikeReid2 жыл бұрын
Hey hey, thanks for checking it out. So the mule knot is helpful in the case that you are doing a main line haul (single strand down) and you need to pull the victim out of the crevasse a bit to give them some breathing room. In that case you would stop above the client and use a munter on the clients carabiner. The friction of the munter would allow you to pull the client up a bit. You would the mule it because you would eventually haul them on it. An 8 or alpine butterfly could be used if the client is standing in a place there they would not suffocate. There is actually a video on the 5:1 setup on the video for ice climbing rescues. Check it out and let us know what you think.
@marcusp8632 жыл бұрын
@@MikeReid Awesome, thanks for the reply. I'll check it out!
@marcusp8632 жыл бұрын
Great video. Love the system you're using. I've never ascended with a micro traxion so I was wondering. Would it be advisable to throw a catastrophe knot or some sort of back up in while you ascend?
@MikeReid2 жыл бұрын
Hey hey, glad you liked the video. No backup is needed. This device is rated to be used as a PCD (progress capture device) at the focal point of an anchor without a backup so it can also be used on yourself in place of a waist prusik. One thing that is important to remember is to avoid shock loading the device so take your time when ascending so don’t bounce on the device as you ascend.
@AustraliaAikido2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike, love your setups and explanations, clear, precise considered. Good to see you have made more videos. Thank you.
@MikeReid2 жыл бұрын
Glad you found the videos helpful
@AustraliaAikido2 жыл бұрын
@@MikeReid Hi Mike, since I wrote this I found your website and started reviewing your courses. I am on the other side of the planet (Australia) in lockdown for COVID-19. But i am interested in coming to Iceland for ice-climbing and hot-springs. I spent a couple of weeks in Norway in 2018. I will send my questions to your business site. Derek Xiàng yīgè lǎobǎn yīyàng
@joelwhite91532 жыл бұрын
prusik should be tied with a double fishermans/ barrel knot never with an overhand. Also the knot should be off set, you should never have to knot resting on the carabiner.
@MikeReid2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. I’m always keen to share important and up to date info with the community. Could you provide an accepted reference for both the prusik being tied with a double fisherman’s and offsetting the knot resting on the carabiner? I understand the idea behind not using an overhand to tie off the prusik as they have been shows to roll (in very rare circumstances) if not properly dressed so I always make sure to add adequate slack to the tails on the case that it does load. Also, I make sure to properly dress the knot. I also understand the desire to not have the knot resting on the carabiner as it would be loading it in an awkward way but I have not seen tests to show that it’s more likely to flip if loaded in that way. I would assume that it pulled apart (both exit strands pulled horizontally apart) it would be something to consider then I would use a fisherman’s knot. Thoughts?
@tmysty3 жыл бұрын
can the people on the tour climb in the caves?
@haukuringieinarsson83833 жыл бұрын
Hi Tstorey no unfortunantly no climbing in the ice cave :)
@MrJw0lf3 жыл бұрын
The new AR Arctery bags do have the "brains" again.
@glacieradventure41443 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for shearing the info 🤗 we really appreciate it 🥳
@GazelleEyes3 жыл бұрын
Very helpful thnks
@mr343 жыл бұрын
The prussik is not going to work if the climber falls where you had it as it will pull into the ATC. Why don't you just put the prussik and the climbers side of the ATC?
@MikeReid3 жыл бұрын
yeah thanks for the comment. The prussik is there (on the brake strand) to aid in the lower and to serve as a backup in case of a circumstance where I would have let go of the rope for whatever reason (medical emergency, etc). When the ATC is in guide mode the prussik is not necessary anymore and I could then remove it and place it on the client strand in case of a rescue. So I'm not sure when the prussic would have pulled into the ATC? Maybe you can provide some clarity?
@aacc26223 жыл бұрын
Great video!! Thanx for posting
@mccom78623 жыл бұрын
Thank you for mentioning why not to belay with a microtraxion that was good info.
@MikeReid3 жыл бұрын
Great, gad you found is useful
@Determ1nat1on3 жыл бұрын
The water is so pure that the ice glaciers formed are nearly invisible. You guys are really lucky to experience this wonder.
@glacieradventure41443 жыл бұрын
Hi Swastik Swayam, thanks for your nice comment. We agree. We feel privileged being born and raised up in a place such as Iceland. And we love when we have visitors that wants to come and experience it with us.
@clausjensen93 жыл бұрын
Great videos! Enjoyed the 5:1. Wondering if you have a pulley to make the haul more efficient where would you add it? By the Tibloc or higher on the new haul / carabiner point? Great videos!
@MikeReid3 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks for the comment. Do when you do the actual calculation of MA at each point, it would be more efficient to put a pulley as close to you as possible. In this case it would be the new haul / carabiner point. Now take note, it's 10ths of a percent better so its not some massive advantage so in practical terms either would be fine but I try to put the pulley closest to my pulling force (my body).
@clausjensen93 жыл бұрын
@@MikeReid That makes sense, thank you for the reply 😊
@SignedSign3 жыл бұрын
You should also show the fastest to rig and easiest to carry method vith instant progress capture, by using the petzl tibloc in progress save mode in a oval carabiner, not as smooth as a micro traxion, but less friction than using a atc in guide mode, works great.
@MikeReid3 жыл бұрын
Yeah thanks for the comment. I've avoided teaching that because both myself and the guides I work with have had some negative results using it in that way. If it does not catch properly, it will tear the sheath. I have personally torn the sheath doing it this way and I was able to recreate the issue where it would not catch properly and begin to tear the sheath. Now there are some who have never had this issue and are super careful every single time they load it in that configuration. My thoughts are to make videos with tried and tested methods aimed at the beginner / intermediate glacier guide, so that is why I avoid teaching it. Thanks for the comment.
@RemoCocco3 жыл бұрын
What is the point of putting a mule on the victim?
@MikeReid3 жыл бұрын
So the point of muling the victim is to address the issue of the victim sliding further into the crevasse while unattended at the bottom (while you ascend and make the haul system). This assumes its a tight crevasse as opposed to the one shown in the video.
@S.S.Laynoe3 жыл бұрын
I’m a major beginner so I’m only asking for learning purposes and not trying to critique. After you set the microtraxion you removed the Munter hitch and used a foot prussik. Would it be better to set up a backup such as a clove hitch below the microtraxion in case of a failure or is that over-redundant?
@MikeReid3 жыл бұрын
Yeah critique away. Yeah, so I appreciate your thinking but we do not need to set a clove hitch under the Micro Traxion as it is trusted as PCD (progress capture device) / ratchet without needing a backup. This is demonstrated in the technical notes by Petzl for the Micro Traxion (file:///Users/globalmikereid/Downloads/technical-notice-MICROTRAXION-1.pdf). If you are using a soft hitch like a prussic, then yes those would need to be backed up because if managed improperly, they could slide down the rope.
@GazelleEyes3 жыл бұрын
Waooooo 😍
@GazelleEyes3 жыл бұрын
Amazing, Iceland?
@glacieradventure41443 жыл бұрын
Yes, our beautiful home Iceland in the winter time :)
@rharrisondebtfree3 жыл бұрын
Hello. Thank you for the detailed info. Wondering if the DMM Pivot would work to accomplish the same task or does it need to be redirected as well when setting up a top-down climbing system?
@MikeReid3 жыл бұрын
Yeah so all guide plate style belay devices (like the DMM Pivot) will need to be redirected to accomplish the task or a redirected lower. PS: The DMM Pivot excels when you need to give slack to a climber and therefore temporarily defeat the guide mode.
@rharrisondebtfree3 жыл бұрын
@@MikeReid cool...is it appropriate but heavier to use a Gri-Gri as long as the rope isn't too wet or icy?
@MikeReid3 жыл бұрын
@@rharrisondebtfree Hey so yeah you could use a Gri Gri for lowering from the anchor as I know some guides who do that. Only issue is that getting a client over the edge is the most tricky part and with a gri gri, you would have to stand by the anchor instead of helping them over the edge. For this reason, I do not use that method. The best way is probably a munter hitch and if you are concerned about a rescue needed to happen, just put the munter on the shelf and a micro traxion in the focal so all you need to do is mule the munter and attach the micro traxtion on the line. Here is a video about it (kzbin.info/www/bejne/jn7OYqCjg7WLpas)