On its own, yes, the fake doesn't sound too bad. These machines usually need a bit of adjustment to get playing. One of the main issues is that the motors generally run too fast. I had to slow down the video of the fake playing to match the speed of the real one. The motors are unfortunately fairly poor quality copies, like seen in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6CZh6uroZ1gn9k The other major problem is the soundbox. I did service the one on this fake: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKqVgoGFrt2apbssi=8iqfXgyqeu68kSri Though it is also possible to fit a genuine one, which sounds better: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6HahGejf5uKe7Msi=UnjAWphdcc7vjxqI Thanks 😀 👍

That will be a governor spring. These do vary from motor to motor. Sometimes they can be bought ready made, and I heard people have made them. I have never had to replace one so unfortunately can't really offer ant suggestions, other than suggesting you ask on "The Talking Machine Forum".

@mrrgstuff thanks for replying.where may i find the forum you're refering to? Is there a particular site for that?

@@mrrgstuff its ok...i found the site on google. Tnx

@gassave Yes, it's a specific site. If you Google "The Talking Machine Forum", it should pop up.

Don't worry. I have a plan to get it fixed 😉. Thanks 😀 👍

I have 2 of the HMV 162. One is broken, but I am going to get the motor repaired. It is the one I believe was made in India: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2m6iZdsaqpqpdksi=r6VF44RQMZw00agS Thanks 😀 👍

Yes, it was good to begin with but got worse. I have had bamboo needles last all the way through the record, so there is hope that I might be able to use them more in the future. Thanks 😀 👍

Out of interest, what type of 78s and what labels do you see where you are? Thanks 😀 👍

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Yes, indeed. I do have various packs of long life needles, but they came with machines. I'm not sure I would ever use them 🤔. Thanks 😀👍

@mrrgstuff mine also came with my HMV W102C. In fact, one was in it, and it sounded terrible. That didn't actually matter as the machine cost me £40, so even if that wasn't the issue, I was still buying it at that price. 😁

Sounds like a great deal! Thanks 😀 👍

I've seen pictures of scissor like cutters, but I have never found a pair myself 🤔. I think I can make a little jig to hold them and maybe sharpen them like a chisel. Thanks 😀 👍

Thinking about it, I think I have one of those plastic Songster boxes too. I'll have to check what is in it 🤔. Thanks 😀 👍

@mrrgstuff the plastic box slides open

Thanks. I'll dig mine out and see if it is the same. 😀👍

I do find it quite amusing the comparisons (even when being tongue in cheek) that are made on KZbin between digital and analogue reproduction when everything is ultimately heavily processed and digital anyway by the time it gets listened to. 🤔😉😅

These particular fakes have been made certainly for a few decades but also still being made now. Here is a relatively recent video showing new machines being packed for shipping: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jojal5xngpyIpMksi=IDAn_QP7EOztnVob The technology is certainly early 20th century, but the manufacture is not. Brand new gramophone motors can be bought on ebay, along with horns and soundboxes etc. It's cheaper to buy a complete fake machine than build it up from new parts. You might often hear that these fake machines are made from old portable gramophone parts. Certainly, in the past, this has sometimes been the case, but these machines are 100% new made, and I cover that in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmSpgmR8ZZiEi6ssi=XPwOOllClE2fLQ78 In fact, new fake portable machines are now being made, and these can be found on eBay, too. Hope that helps. Thanks 😀 👍

Columbia? I saw one on your channel 🤔

@@mrrgstuff yes

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@reesearmstrong912 I had a few records from my family, but nobody had any machines, spare or otherwise! 😅

@ same with me. it turns out this whole time my grandma had a collection of old 78 records but there were no machines to play them

Yes, it starred off well, but it didn't last. I have been experimenting, and certainly, on some records, they do seem to work very well. Thanks 😀 👍

I've tried this before with wooden toothpicks, but I think the bamboo ones are going to keep their points a little longer. I need to do some more experiments. Thanks 😀 👍

I've never had a copyright strike, but if it flags up as a claim, I usually have to share the revenue or lose it altogether. In this case, the record was fine, though. Thanks 😀 👍

Thanks also for the tip about bigger, unworn records. They do seem to work better. 😀👍

Yes, I will have to experiment more. I have had more success on other records. Thanks 😀 👍

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Yes, they can apparently work very well. I'm not sure when fibre/bamboo needles were first used, but certainly more than 100 years ago. Thanks 😀 👍

Thanks 😀 👍. I have some of those triangular bamboo needles somewhere, but haven't tried them yet 😀

Actually I thought I invented this way to play records because I have been doing it for 3 years I can't find the gramophone needle and also was a barely able to find two more 78 unfortunately where I live there is really not a lot of records

Thanks. I've been relatively OK, though I certainly have had a few spurious claims. Usually, I test the record out on KZbin first, though this also isn't foolproof. Thanks 😀 👍

Yes, the results were pretty poor in this video, but the bamboo needle started off well. I have had more luck on other records with good sound all the way through. Certainly worth a little more investigation, I think, though I expect I will still use steel needles for convenience and also when I am comparing equipment and need conditions to be as similar as possible. Fibre needles seem a bit more variable than steel ones, especially my home made ones 😅. Thanks 😀 👍

Not tried the BCN thorns yet, but I am not expecting the bamboo toothpicks to be better 😅. Having said that, they do appear to work, at least some of the time on some records 🤔. Thanks 😀 👍

Was going to say this

Thanks 😀 👍. Yes, I ought to try that, and I think there may be other hardeners that other people have successfully tried.