How do they differ in taste? Do you think the 01 is better with medium roasts? I have the Key and wonder if an upgrading to the lagom 01 would be much more acidic and lacking body.
@adambeatty89393 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@adambeatty89393 ай бұрын
Is that a custom wood top on your Lagom 01? If yes, where did you source yours??
@FerchoVallese3 ай бұрын
Yes custom. Check my other video here. In the description there’s a discount code too. Greatly recommended. kzbin.info/www/bejne/noeXdnx8pdNmmMUsi=b6zrCtLX8gEK_vDp
@FerchoVallese3 ай бұрын
Just checked, Etsy shop seems to be on vacation. Will email owner
@adambeatty89393 ай бұрын
@@FerchoVallese thank you so much for replying so quickly! I am getting the 01 soon, upgrading from my Timemore 078S to the Option-O 01 with 102mm blind burrs. I’d love to get the wood accent for it when I do!
@FerchoVallese3 ай бұрын
@@adambeatty8939 You'll sure be happy, and the wood lid makes it look amazing (apart from lowering the noise considerably).
@teslatalk420694 ай бұрын
The option-O crushes the key
@teslatalk420694 ай бұрын
The 01 smokes the key
@serguyspirit3355 ай бұрын
Thank you for your review! How do you think is P01 good for the only one grinder at home? I mean is also good for darker roast bean and milk based drinks?
@FerchoVallese5 ай бұрын
I don't drink and haven't tried the 01 with dark roasts (only mid to light beans). However the 01 works great either for straight espresso, milk drinks or pour overs. So yes, it should work perfectly as your only grinder.
@wooroiishomebikesarelife15295 ай бұрын
Your vid made me change my order from the p64 to the 01...Thanks, looking forward to October now🙂
@jaehocho97185 ай бұрын
Do you get clumps in your grinds without RDT? I just got a P64 and without RDT I get quite a bit of clumljng in the grounds but with RDT it's alot better. Option O says this is caused by static. Wondering if this is common with flat burrs.
@FerchoVallese5 ай бұрын
No clumps at all. However remember the 01 has an anti static ion generator built in. With my atom 75 (another flat burr) I didn't get any clumps either.
@wooroiishomebikesarelife15295 ай бұрын
Could you show it grinding into a blind shaker? Thanks for the good videos.
@FerchoVallese5 ай бұрын
Sorry I took some time to get back to you! Did a recording of both the magic tumbler as well as the blind shaker. Check them here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZq5fqCNnNWbeqs
@MichaelSaig5 ай бұрын
Is this the standard box it come in or did you buy a heavy duty box?
@FerchoVallese5 ай бұрын
That's the standard box. Very well packed and reusable for transportation.
@DR19X5 ай бұрын
Hi do you still like the grinder? The endgame grinder 01 p100 eg1 flat max are something to dream about
@FerchoVallese5 ай бұрын
Yes, still in love with it. Really can't find any negatives to be honest.
@savrah5 ай бұрын
Good video
@taafarm16 ай бұрын
My acacia pearl would read inconsistent weights even in empty or zero with the 01 dosing cup. Maybe because of magnet. I use other dosing cup there’s no problem.
@alanreymercado26656 ай бұрын
damn. this sold me. my plazma dont do go dark this much.
@FerchoVallese6 ай бұрын
@@alanreymercado2665 bear in mind that you’ll see a bit less darkening in real use as this is the result with a high power UV led. Thankfully we don’t get exposed to that much UV light from the sun.
@taafarm16 ай бұрын
Which makes better espresso the Lagom 01 or the Key?
@FerchoVallese6 ай бұрын
Difficult to tell.. both make great espresso. I would say consistency is better with the 01, and I also prefer the workflow of the 01.
@slappadabass19776 ай бұрын
Have you found the chirp point is past the zero mark? Mine is at -0.6 roughly.
@FerchoVallese6 ай бұрын
Not in my case. However this can be configured easily. You remove the top burr holder and screw the top part half a turn and you'll probably reach the 0 to be the chirp point.
@emadventures69757 ай бұрын
How are you enjoying the 01? I currently have a MC4 kafatek and wanted a flat to sort of bring those clarity and more flavors out of straight espresso. I usually do 1:2 ratios … How you compare the 01 to the other one with a hopper? Do you think beans sitting in the hopper changes flavors drastically?
@FerchoVallese6 ай бұрын
Hi. Loving the 01. Really good clarity and flavour separation. However be prepared to also find that extreme clarity brings out all and every roast and bean quality issue. My other grinder with hopper I assume you mean the Atom 75. That one has SSP burrs, which are upgraded from the stock ones. Flavour profile is similar but workflow is WAY better in the 01. Regarding bean degradation when using a hopper, for a home setting it's definitely an issue. Would recommend single dosing all the time (that's why I modified my Atom to begin with).
@ricard38517 ай бұрын
Can you share your thoughts of Why not getting an eg-1 and going for a Lagom instead? Also why 102 when 98 has a bigger burr platform
@FerchoVallese6 ай бұрын
I didn't get the EG-1 because to be fully honest I didn't have the best customer experience with Weber Workshops.. Even the crappiest companies I've dealt with try to sort out issues ASAP, while WW goes round and round on the issue and even blames it on the user. Just to mention one incident, I use WW bean cellars. After a while the lid started failing on a few of them. I emailed WW with the issue, expecting an immediate replacement. Emails came and went, and they just said that it's normal and the defective cellars work as expected. I pick them up from the lid while in the freezer and the entire thing falls off.. Definitely not what I expect from a working product (all the rest still perform well). On the other hand, I heard great things from Option-O customer service.. That's why I went with them. Every time I had a question or some issue I emailed them and they provided all the requested information and tools needed to solve the issue.
@MrSemperfit7 ай бұрын
I have had non stop issues with the autocomb. Can’t maintain the height, bearing jams up. Doesn’t seem like it was designed with longevity in mind.
@FerchoVallese7 ай бұрын
I clearly don't use it in a commercial setting, but at least in my case I haven't had any issue so far.
@shuurajou8 ай бұрын
Be good to have more of a detailed insight into your experience of the Weber Key (is that mark 2 version?)
@FerchoVallese7 ай бұрын
Will do! That's the V1 Key. If you want to know anything in particular let me know!
@brilandis28 ай бұрын
Have you made any milk drinks with this grinder?i wonder how it does
@FerchoVallese7 ай бұрын
Yes, I do cappuccinos and lattes everyday. Works great.
@brilandis27 ай бұрын
@@FerchoVallese thanks for the reply, waiting for mine to de delivered in august :)
@AM2PMReviews8 ай бұрын
Recently I have been grinding a little courser and doing a lower pressure of extraction. Like 6 bar seems to be sweeter and more forgiving.
@FerchoVallese7 ай бұрын
Definitely helps and the results are more consistent too.
@AM2PMReviews8 ай бұрын
What about just doing it by hand? I like to rake the top.
@FerchoVallese7 ай бұрын
Basically same result just slower. Once you get the hand of it and can do it repeatedly, doing it by hand works great.
@AM2PMReviews8 ай бұрын
I love your handles in the decent. Where did you get them? I want some.
@FerchoVallese7 ай бұрын
The group head handle is actually a WDT tool from Pesado. Then I got a screw that fits on both the decent and the tool. Check here: facebook.com/share/p/y7DeetdZs9At6KmG/
@kylefurness118 ай бұрын
Great noise comparison. I hated the Atom 75 for single dosing
@rssin238 ай бұрын
Which dosing funnel are you using. Looking for a magnetic dosing funnel for my bianca v3
@FerchoVallese8 ай бұрын
Here it goes: amzn.to/3Ww8gLZ
@hallo-tienan8 ай бұрын
The BH's needles are always in the same place with each rotation, creating grooves - exactly what you don't want to prevent channeling. In terms of the end result, definitely Moonraker - for commercial use could be the BH more practical.
@majs20098 ай бұрын
How is the taste in filter coffee with the 102? Also, any stalling issues?
@FerchoVallese8 ай бұрын
Very clear taste, amazing separation of notes. At the same time, any defect in roast or bean quality will show. No stalling at all. Motor seems plenty strong.
@johangrobler94429 ай бұрын
Coffee Coffee Coffee, AR bike box, coffee coffee coffee. I share the same passions. I came for the bike box, stayed for the coffee 😊
@riopacheco019 ай бұрын
how have you found the retention on this grinder? i’m looking for a true zero retention grinder ideally with no RDT, would you say it can do that?
@FerchoVallese9 ай бұрын
Zero retention, no need for RDT. It has an ion generator so static is eliminated.
@brilandis29 ай бұрын
Hi. I am only drinking medium roast flat whites, would you recommend the option or the atom? Thank you
@FerchoVallese9 ай бұрын
Probably the atom. Don’t think it’s worth paying more than double if you’re mostly drinking milky drinks. The atom is an amazing grinder.
@neilwhatdisay9 ай бұрын
Who makes that portafilter holder?
@FerchoVallese9 ай бұрын
Pesado, here it goes: pesado585.com/products/hybrid-lm-e61-ns-portafilter?variant=45226377445683
@Niikolaii10 ай бұрын
Have you no problems with AutoComb? I have since I got mine the problem that all the coffee grounds spins with the needles, I tried the suggestions from barista hustle to avoid this with upper the needles, quick for- and backwards spins to break up the grounds and tap grounds on one side but my ground still spins with the needles, do you ever experienced such problems?
@FerchoVallese10 ай бұрын
I did experience this issue when using darker roasts and more standard baskets. Solved either changing coffee to a lighter roast or using a more modern basket design. Also what BH recommended seemed to help.
@Niikolaii10 ай бұрын
Ir seems that don’t help for me. I use a VST basket and medium to medium-light roasts. ☹️
@Guenounovitch10 ай бұрын
I’d rather a noisy grinder than a coffee machine with that sound 😂
@iamdihan11 ай бұрын
Ahh this is awesome setup congrats
@bluemystic750111 ай бұрын
The Option-O Lagom sounds like a toy, lol.
@back_to_the_bike882011 ай бұрын
Thank you! Is it possible to have the model or the files to be able to do the 3D printing please?
@FerchoVallese11 ай бұрын
Sure! Let me check if I have them around and will upload to thingiverse.
@back_to_the_bike882018 күн бұрын
@@FerchoVallese Hello, I went to the Thingverse and waited, but I couldn't find it. I'm finally going to be able to order the Atom (I had to wait until I had el budget... Santa claus helped me recently...). Anyway, I'd like to print this part. I also saw, on Home Barista, that you recommend putting tape in different places. A wise recommendation. But when you use the ATOM with a hopper, there's tape everywhere like that, or is it using the bellows that causes what you're showing in the photo? Your funnel also looks very good. Which model is it? sorry for all these questions/requests and thanks for your help. Happy New Year !
@devrim113411 ай бұрын
Great video, but isnt the noise of the Decent much worse? Still dont understand why they didnt upgrade the pump. It sounds like an antique tractor 😂
@FerchoVallese11 ай бұрын
It's probably worse in the emotional sense (specially after using a Lelit Bianca with a rotary pump), but it's definitely less noisy. Decent explains vibratory pump was the only reliable way to control flow of both cold and hot water.
@devrim113411 ай бұрын
@@FerchoVallese thnx for your reply! I clearly remember a video where John mentions that the pump will be upgraded because he didnt like the sound either. But when the new revision was released, the pump wasnt changed which kept me from buying the Decent. Glad they didnt because ive backed Meticulous :)
@mgbaron11 ай бұрын
Nice. I’m going to try this with mine! What tamping station do you use?
@FerchoVallese11 ай бұрын
This one: amzn.to/3QGTjmZ Check my setup with links in the description here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6bWZ3hqrL2IaMUsi=R3oEB6PtTCTuM4P8
@tullynation11 ай бұрын
Is there a dead spot in this video from 10:56 to 14:35 for anyone else? I can’t view those three and a half minutes.
@FerchoVallese11 ай бұрын
You're right! For some reason it didn't encode properly. Sorry about that. Just deleted that part. It just showed me putting the grinder back on in the reverse order. If you want, I will upload that part separately for you to see.
@constantinedinocopses680611 ай бұрын
Hi. Great video. I will likely check mine out soon but maybe they are lubricating it before shipping now as mine isn't too loud. I finally got my 01 a week ago! I have had fun so far. I did have a few questions if you have a moment. I am getting burr chip at 1.4 now which was not the case when I first started using it. I know this happens but wondering if you had the same experience and if I need to reset the "0" point. I have had it stall a couple of times at low rpms even with hot start. I would love to be able to direct message you as not many people have this grinder and I feel like it would be great to have discussions about it.
@FerchoVallese11 ай бұрын
Hi, you probably need to reset your zero point. The only time this happened to me was when I was cleaning the burrs but turned the outer ring instead of the locking burr carrier. Never had any creep on the grind settings. Regarding stall, didn't happen so far, but I normally run my grinder at around middle speed. Will try with low rpm, light roast, and not hot starting to test the worse condition. Feel free to dm me either on instagram or twitter (fercho_vallese).
@constantinedinocopses680611 ай бұрын
@@FerchoVallese thanks so much.
@Alanvazquezzzz11 ай бұрын
Can you record decibels using iPhone app?
@FerchoVallese11 ай бұрын
Will do and post back to you.
@dk001m11 ай бұрын
@@FerchoValleseI’m also curious about this 😊
@FerchoVallese11 ай бұрын
@@dk001m Was traveling but hopefully will get to test it tonight! Already recorded the levels for an atom 75, so hopefully will do a good comparison.
@dk001m11 ай бұрын
@@FerchoVallesenice! I tested a p64 for comparison this morning. Around the same 78db when grinding (75 with lid). But when it’s running empty at speed setting 3, it’s a crazy 40db which is low enough you might not know it’s on.
@FerchoVallese11 ай бұрын
Hi guys! Finally managed to put the video together! I tested the 01 at speed 6, because it's what I usually use. But it's true, speed 3-4 is considerably quieter. Check the video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYKnnZqMocx7qrM
@JL-tx4yp11 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this issue and hopefully Option-O realize to lubricate the belts before shipping out. Can't wait to receive my O1.
@FerchoVallese11 ай бұрын
They are probably doing that by now. My unit was very likely the first batch.
@dk001m Жыл бұрын
Nice video. What were the decibels you measured with the app (spinning empty, while grinding, during purge)? How did those numbers compare to the key? I ask because Weber has a video showing decibels of key vs niche and I have one of those, so if I’ve got your numbers I’ll have a good sense of what to expect for an 01. Thanks!
@FerchoVallese Жыл бұрын
I can't remember to be honest, need to do the test again. However, the issue is that the 01 noise is a high pitch whirring noise, which sounds particularly annoying.
@dk001m Жыл бұрын
@@FerchoValleseah interesting. I have an atom 75 and niche - I found the atom much quieter than niche running empty (60 vs 68 db), but not very different when actually grinding (76 vs 78 db). Seems like your issue with the 01 is the quality of the sound rather than how loud it was though. How’s the noise compared to the atom 75?
@FerchoVallese Жыл бұрын
@@dk001m To me the Atom 75 is very quiet when using with the standard or a 3D printed hopper as long as the lid is on. In that case, the 01 is way louder than the Atom. Like you said, the issue is with the "quality" of the sound. The high pitched noise of the 01 is annoying.
@FerchoVallese11 ай бұрын
dk001m, check my latest video please. Found a great solution to noisy, now the grinder is perfect! kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6Gvc4KZo8yaopY
@tristam. Жыл бұрын
Love your setup Fercho, thanks for showing us. I'm curious about your use of the Key grinder for filter coffee. Have you compared the filter coffee produced by the Key to the coffee from the Mizens in the 01? How do they stack up for espresso? I'm eyeing a similar setup to yours so super curious what you think about the grinders for the different brew methods after having them in your home for a bit.
@FerchoVallese Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I’ve done some comparison for filter and French press. I think my observations from espresso are similar here: 01 with mizen seem to have higher clarity than the Key. Is it a night and day difference? No, not at all. Consistency is higher with the 01 though. The 01 workflow is also nicer than the Key, but the Magic tumbler from the key is unbeatable (to the point that I’m thinking on getting another one for the 01 -yes, it works with the 01 base magnets-). Is nice to have both grinders and experiment with them, but if I could only have one it would be the 01.
@tristam. Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the detailed response! Interesting re the clarity. Do you think the Key wins out in the texture department or is the Mizen still doing slightly better? I can definitely see the magic tumbler being the superior workflow choice. That's funny you mention the magnets being compatible, I was just about to ask that! My current plan is to get the Key for filter and then later (when space permits) get a espresso machine and the 01. The smaller footprint will be easier to sell to my wife..
@FerchoVallese Жыл бұрын
@@tristam. For filter the texture is similar, can't really tell them apart. For espresso specially smaller ratios the 01 wins in texture (I would have expected the opposite due to the conicals). If you care about aesthetics and space, go for the Key. Ideally get the V2, as from what I've read most, if not all, the issues with V1 have been resolved. Also, the 01 is a lot noisier than the Key. True, it doesn't really run for a long time, but it's something that bothers me every time I use.
@tristam. Жыл бұрын
I guess the texture thing lines up with what I've been reading regarding the Key having quite a flat burr profile, especially for a conical grinder. Thanks again for the input, truly invaluable. Space, aesthetics and noise are all super important to me (and my wife!) so will probably end up going for the Key now and maybe down the line look at the 01.@@FerchoVallese
@Prato321 Жыл бұрын
I can't imagine doing a workflow that doesn't involve the wdt. My grinder really clump. Wdt consistent
@cYbernation2 Жыл бұрын
Does the grind adjuster gets more harder to turn when getting to zero? or is the same feeling all the way from coarse to zero? Another thing, did I hear it correctly that there is a clicking noise when you get to zero?
@FerchoVallese Жыл бұрын
Hi! Same feeling all the way to zero. No clicking noise in zero, as long as the limiter is adjusted properly (it shouldn't allow the burrs to touch each other).
@fillflashdetailer8838 Жыл бұрын
Still looks top-heavy and out of balance, but overall, much better aesthetics that the P100. I highly doubt 99.9% of people could tell any difference between the output of this grinder relative to the p64, but if you have money to burn, why not?