@Cali_Girl1 Stop posting your same tired talking points over and over. It looks like I need to block your spamming.

Thank you for the kind words

Yes

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Look up KZbin Video: "RAPPER DIES & SEES THREE (3) GROUPS IN HELL" (Joseph Smith was one of them! ) 😩 His experience was quite compelling, and completely changed his life! I think every Mormon should listen to his Testimony, and decide for themselves what they think about it. Personally, I found it DEEPLY Disturbing, and rattled me to the core! 😫 I Don't believe he was lying about what he saw. The VIOLENT Spirital Attack he suffered after that Vision was also deeply distubing! He saw things in that Vision that Satan clearly did NOT want him to see - or tell others about! 👹

Thank you for your question. Information that intended to be public does not require permission. We all benefit if/when these stories are shared regardless of the medium used.

If you bring people here from Christian Homestead, not all of the attention will be positive. There will be many negative aspects to this. I am neither for or against this but thought to say something so a more clear view can be gained.

​@@noahriding5780 I agree. Jared is a follow the current living prophet type.

@@noahriding5780 All of your assumptions doesn't make your false accusations against me true. I didn't say anything like what you claim. Your book to add to my words is interesting. Accusing me of doing what you are doing. You don't make sense.

Thank you

@KaiJames44 It's not about the messenger who delivers a simple message. The restored Gospel through Joseph Smith does not need to undergo a credibility check to check the qualifications for anyone who might be allowed to share it, it stands on its own. The messenger should not distract from the message and should not be the focus of whether the information should be judged as valid or not. The information in this presentation is available to anyone who desires to search it out and bring it out. Anyone can research the sayings of Orson Pratt and early church leaders, and present them as I have done. It may be that I do not identify myself every video but that does not mean I have not identified myself on this channel. I simply put out information that I know to be true and fully realize there is a much bigger work and I am only one small voice with limited means to put out what I is possible, within my limits.

The messenger doesn't have to be seeking attention of his own for it to be legitimate. In fact, it actually lends more credibility that he isn't seeking fame or personal attention, personal gain. Many of us dislike the emphasis on other channels of the persons involved putting forth their personal fame ahead of their messages.

Sorry. We don’t know that.

There are 5 founding fathers of the Native american tribes. 4 are asia based, and 1 is "European" based containing an X marker in their DNA. The X marker is found among the Druids as also around the middle east. The Indian tribes that contain this marker happen to be the Algonguin speaking tribes on the eastern United States. Mic Macs, Algonguin, Cherokee, Pawtawotame, Sauk/Fox, etc. When National Geographic one time was doing their Genome project, they had on their website highlights of people from around the US with their migration path. A migration path that followed their DNA. Of those, they had an Algonquin native highlighted, and in the description they literally said they didnt know how they got here because there wasnt a migration bread crumb trail like there was with the other founding Native fathers that came over the bering straight etc. They hypothesized that they may have come by boat. but they left it inconclusive. Also, in the intro to the Book of Mormon, it mentions that the Nephites/Lamanites were not the only peoples living here, that they were "among" the inhabitants already here.

@@ChrisTrainor46that intro was edited to say among. It was claimed by Joseph Smith that they were the direct descendants of the people in the Book of Mormon.

They came from Jerusalem, NOT Asia.

@ericbyers235 A conversation which is based on the limits of what you do not know, refuse to know, and do not care to investigate is one which seem to be futile to attempt. You seem to take confidence in the solid footing of your intentional ignorance. If you are an expert on all of the people of the Book of Mormon you would be aware that early leaders did teach that Jaredites may very well have set sail from the coast of China. Coriantumr dwelt with the Nephites for a time and they also joined up with a separate group of people in the Mulekites. Has your unquestioned research accounted for the multiple variations which may not be known from these and multiple other simple facts, or are you simply content to post vain talking points that have been planted in your brain without you ever having been required to do any work to verify what has been propagandized into you?

"The Nemenhah Band is a religious group founded and headed by Phillip "Cloudpiler" Landis. It was founded circa 2000 and claims about 4,000 members.[1] It practices alternative medicine, specifically natural medicine.[1] "The group says that it is composed of Native American healers and those "spiritually adopted" into the band. According to the Nemenhah Band's website, "membership is by spiritual adoption only." Those who seek spiritual adoption must agree that natural healing is a significant part of their spirituality and that they seek to do no harm. The Nemenhah band also provides a curriculum to become a "medicine man" or "medicine woman". Some Native Americans have criticized the group's practices.[2]" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemenhah

In haudenosaunee culture the women hold a much bigger role for instance they choose chiefs and can remove chiefs (from her clan) she is the land title holder , the land is connected to the female she raises the children but has the help from the other family (female) members in her long house she take charge of the planting season what will be planted and how much ect just to much to list so I don’t think we in todays society understand the role of a woman not even in the LDS (culture) church. the woman is the creators greatest creation just think about it just by the birth process alone speaks of their power !! There are 3 elements that appear at the birth of a child (water , blood ,and spirit) and the same 3 elements appear during Jesus living ministry water (baptism) blood (crucitfition) and spirit (assention) so I feel somewhere along the line the female role was replaced with the male or the male took on more responsibility than was originally intended

I don’t think that the LDS people are ready to truly understand this kind of Priesthood. We as women have a completely different role and a completely different Priesthood then what a man holds yet the women want the priesthood that a man holds. This is what modern feminism has done. Women is powerful in our god given femininity. I love the records of the Menenhah people. Changed my whole outlook on our dreaded monthly cycle when I learned that the men had to give a blood sacrifice every month to God but women didn’t take part in it because we already give a blood sacrifice to bring about humanity. BEAUTIFUL!!!!!

​@@thelatterdayteacherDo you have a link to the records mentioned?

@@annalloyd2180 where did you hear/read about the monthly blood sacrifice? I'd really be curious to read, I think that would give some close friends of mine some beautiful insight.

The only question I would ask you or anyone with an idea or suggestion on this would be, does that individual align with Joseph Smith in his teachings? Same, different, a little bit the same, a little bit different, how is the fit? There are a lot of "kind of" what Joseph Smith "might" teach out there and they find they have powers of persuasion with certain people. I don't know for sure if I would instantly recognize such an individual myself, but unless that person aliigns with what Joseph Smith taught and would teach today I will not be in a rush to join with anybody.

No!

Has he really revealed anything yet that is enlightening? Are we just hoping his scrolls has something new ? It's just going to be like rhe dead sea scrolls . Mostly disappointing and we might see something 200 Yeats after there found

You could find the answer in the book "The one like unto Moses" by Rhea Allred Kunz. This man is alive today, as she explains, but his name is not mentioned in the book. It is a very good book to read and I recommend it. Greetings from the Netherlands.

Thanks for your farsighted post, IMO: Chief David Midegah is a possible "like unto Moses" candidate. I would be excited to witness Chief David Midegah going forward in that direction, especially if the "scepter of power" is used to give him an anointing and or entrusted to him to carry with him. D&C85

@stevenhenderson9005 - I am not sure what exactly is your point. There have been men in leadership positions whould would "tell stories to establish meaningful narratives that support one's belief", e.g. Paul H. Dunn. But when the truth came out that was not a good thing for his agenda. "Stories" from people like the Iroquois might very well be from an oral tradition passed down over the centuries that are retelling truths in a different "Frame work" as you mention, but I would caution on labeling them just stories, when in reality the challenges of translation might be the cause for analogies of explanation that do not seem normal to the English language, but in the native language are perfectly truthful and make perfect sense. As for "visions from stones in a hat" I challenge you to produce a credible and verified original church source to provide a solid example that will lend credibility to your choice of words here (e.g., "narratives", "symbol representation", "stories" etc.) Otherwwise your comment stands as it comes across, speculative, an embellished speculation attempt to justify (and perhaps cover up) some sort of "intended symbol representation" of "narratives" that really do not have a foundations in real facts. That is not the type of message or approach that contributes to spreading the truthful gospel.

I just think it's so funny how people have to always make critical, negative comments on others videos. I know they are putting it out into the world to an audience that can receive it however they want, but I wish we would all stop being so contentious and debateful. I found this video really cool and testimony building about the purpose of the Book of Mormon being to gather the house of Israel and all of God's people he loves. I found the love of Jesus through thinking about how he remembers all of His people.

Thank you

Hello I’m a cattaraugus Seneca (haudenosaunee ) from the wolf clan of western New York. The English called us the 6 nations and the French called us Iroquois but our proper name is haudenosaunee which means in English “people of the long house” let me know if I can help with any questions and thoughts you might have about the haudenosaunee !!

There’s a good video which show how the haudenosaunee (Iroquois) were established it’s a KZbin video (PBS video called haudenosaunee legendary founding) we used shells to create wampum beads and weaved it into a belt with a design and each belt has a story attached to it and that story is told and retold to remind the people of their responsibilities that connect us to the creator !!! We have many wampum belts haudenosaunee =wampum belts English = contracts

Recently these infiltraters broke into Russell Nelson's house. They stole his living room furniture and replaced them with exact replicas

@@richarner3856 I'm not sure where you are going with that, was it a joke of some kind?

@noahriding5780 - I agree that the ploy you encountered is typical of a lot of people to avoid certain conversations. The trend is most people simply do not want to openly discuss things they find to be of a sensitive nature. But if this is really a "friend" there ought to be a way for you two to have an actual conversation that might be approached from a different angle than you informing him of a "prompting" that promises to put that friendship to a test. They may have just been protecting cordial relations with you, not being able to guess what kind of surprise you were going to spring on them.

Noted. I will double check settings on the next video.

I hope you will share the story?

@@thelatterdayteacher I'd love to

@@thelatterdayteacher i have talked with one he appeared in a old pickup i have storys from others who have seen him some called his name Robert Edge i hae seen many things in my 70 years on this earth there is god al mighty and book Mormon is the Gospel

Yes, shortly after the 7" mark that accident that destroyed it was recognized.

I do not doubt there were visitations at some point but a search for any stories does not seem to find stories that clearly align biblically. There is a story about an island of Christians off the coast of Japan and I would not doubt this could have an authentic element about it, but nothing can be found at this time that is definitive enough to make it a video: www.nippon.com/en/japan-topics/c12905/

False. I would urge you to read and get more familiar with the Book of Mormon to help you clear up that confusion. Sometimes we have questions posed on this channel, sometimes seemingly innocent regarding contextual uses of words. If we are looking at the strict context of that word it is simply a term we use that people understand refers to religion taught and practiced in the Bible. The people of Nephi brought over the same religion that they practiced along with ancient Jerusulem, the same religion as existed in the Bible. The term Christian at one point was actually used in deragotory ways to separate Christian followers from those other religious persuasions which existed from the Old Testament era, very much similar to how the term "Mormons" has been used.. The people of Nephi which you refer to, like the prophets of the Old Testament, had prophets which led them to these two continents and were never lacking in knowledge and principles of what we refer to as the gospel of Christians or Christianity.

@@thelatterdayteacher christ-ian is a follower of Christ Jesus. The Jadeites and left Jeru-Salem Jaredites This group left the Tower of Babel and arrived in the Americas about 2200 B.C. They flourished until about 600 B.C., when wars destroyed everyone but Coriantumr. (See Ether 1-15.) Nephites Lehi’s group left Jerusalem about 600 B.C. and came to the Americas. Gradually his posterity became divided. After Lehi died, the righteous followed his son Nephi northward. They became known as Nephites. (See 1 Nephi 1-22; 2 Nephi 1-5.) I am not knocking Mormonism simply saying happens over 2000 years and 600 years before Christ’s sacrifice. They were Hebrews following the ‘Moasic Law’. The strict context of Christian is a follower of Christ Jesus. Regardless of race creed culture and gender. If as the Mormon’s say after the Crucifixion Christ Yeshua appeared in the Americas then they might have become Christians. Christian is a title not an ethnic group. Christ’s teachings were for all of humanity breaking away from the constraints of the old Hebrew Folk Soul. In good ways John

No, I can't see how anyone would think that at all. I do not think there is an analogy there in trying to compare a one time mission of Nephi to secure a very important and significant item away from a man who held the sword but turned evil in the sight of the Lord. Gadianton Robbers are inspired by enlisting the evil traditions of Satan, which predate Nephi by thousands of years of practice and refinement by evil men on the earth. That in no way compares to a one time action by Nephi which was never duplicated after he obtained the sword. The dark works of Satan are very sophisticated and have been crafted to meet the times after thousands of years of practice.

Rather than that, look at the arguments of Laman and Lemuel. ; Nephi stole our birth right. Therefore let us kill him and take it back. In looking at their arguments, L&L wanted to kill Nephi over the right to rule, but they didn't covet the scriptures or the plates, which is kind of ironic and shows how flawed they are. L&L don't even have interest in the plates, ONLY in the right to rule. Also whats' very interesting is when you hear the arguments and literature of the marxists, they kind of quote the same thing; take back what's ours by force and by blood. (We're warned against winning property and lands by force and by blood.) The arguments of the robbers are,; so and so robbed us, so we'll rob them and therefore we're justified in this. This is their thinking. Later when you read the robbers letter in 3rd Nephi, and about them, they covet the right to rule. They didn't even want the records. They mostly wanted Laconius to hand over the right to govern to them. Not their records. The robbers taught this based on some corruptive adaptation of Nehor's teaching and other things also. Marxism harnesses hate this way and some middle east groups also recruit this way. There's a lot of similarity between marxism and the robbers; take back what's yours by force. (But in the end its a lie and only an elite group at the top get anything while others are held captive by them.) This is the same secret combination of Cain's murder of Abel, how a lot of evil was and has been done throughout the world since the beginning of time; also including Nimrod. Laman & Lemuel, they taught their children to hate Nephi, and Nephites. But there was no justification for them to do so. Nephi was blameless. They hated that he was appointed to be their ruler and teacher. Nephi was innocent. He can't be blamed for what others did. And it bothers me to acknowledge the source of the robbers to be Nephi as that would legitimize them. It doesn't legitimize them and Nephi was innocent and pure. Also the robbers didn't show up until much much later without anything in between. So its not valid to create similarities between the robbers and Nephi & the plates. Its a false argument, you can't win this way because it is against the Lord's way of doing things. Also; the plates... people don't understand how sacred they are. They did not belong to Laban. And he didn't get them legitimately. They were to be passed on to the most righteous people, the most righteous patriarchs in a family. Why do you think they are said to go get the plates? They weren't told bring Laban with them, who has the plates. Laban would not have been allowed to have the plates as (I would argue) he was living somewhat like King Noah. It would be better that 1 man should perish than that a whole nation (and hundreds of nations after) should die in unbelief. (Completely opposite of the robbers, who would murder whole nations for the right of 1 man to rule). Also people miss a very interesting argument. in 1st Nephi they quote, Laban has 50 soldiers, even he can command 50. So he can also slay 50, so he will slay us. Thus they feared him. If you think about it... if Laban had 50 soldiers... that's a lot of payroll. He could not have supported that many soldiers of a private army without having already been a predator before then. Laban was a murderer. So when he decides to plunder their gold when they went to trade for the plates, I believe he'd already had practice with that many times before; it doesn't say that, but he had no moral stumbling in making a fast decision on it, and look how many people he was employing. He was a predator. So when the Lord tells Nephi to slay him its reflective of Laban's actions, and history. And his judgment reflects what he deserves. You see the same pattern in Exodus; Pharaoh receives a judgment (the 1st born) The curse of the fallen firstborn of Egypt, reflects that the Egyptians already had tried to slay the hebrew male children once. And they were about to do so again. But the bottom line is The plates weren't Labans. He stole them. And many people think the plates originally came from Joseph of Egypt himself (reformed Egyptian...)(This last part I can't prove, but it seems to be the case.) I also hope this supports what 'thelatterdayteacher' said and believe it supports his answer. I also have found the videos of this channel very insightful and good. I hope he will share more of his thoughts and videos, and his gift to help others understand the gospel better.

I find your comment interesting, primarily for the comparison of populations of church membership between one country, the United States, vs. the combined total of every other country to the south, including the continent of South America. That would be, give or take, about 7 million each, according to the information that is publicly available. The bulk of that growth in South America is encapsulated in an NBC News article, from 20 years ago: www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna5378318 Verse 11: "And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them." "12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel." But it would seem that since then the growth has not been as explosive on that continent. I am not sure if you are asserting the numbers of membership in the church has "arrived" at acceptable growth levels. I would encourage you to re-think and reassess what exactly is the point you are trying to make here, based on the following facts: The continent of South America as a whole recently climbed above 443,000,000, according to Worldometer. That approximate 1% is a tough alignment to attampt if you consider the magnitude of Verses 11-12 are inferring. And these two continents remain under the power, if not assumed ownership of the governments that reside on them. I do not see that current power structure as having a connection to the church and restoring the lands to the people from whom they were stolen from. I invite you go back and rewatch the video where 3 Nephi 16 is explained. It is not a scripture that indicates slightly over 1% membership in a continent would indicate reaching the goal described in that scripture verse.

Are you really going to play those contextual games? So you think something has been discredited here, even though the specificity of the "three Nephites" (going back to the early church) has been a well used description of the "3 Nephite Disciples" as you might demand? What's eating away at you? Are you saying descriptive language to speak of three "disciples" cannot and shall not be used? If that is the case, how's that English language been working out for you these days? Do you find people find it comfortable to have a conversation with you considering your precise demands for how you expect everything to be defined and addressed? Who are you that you feel so entitled to correct the lexicon of church members for well over a century and a half? I'd love to hear your answer and even who you are to feel you are, to be so entitled to set parameters on how you expect the English language to be used.

Strange that you took the time to post this fallacy. It is you that is wrong: 4 Nephi 1:36  36 And it came to pass that in this year there arose a people who were called the aNephites, and they were true believers in Christ; and among them there were those who were called by the Lamanites-Jacobites, and Josephites, and bZoramites; 37 Therefore the true believers in Christ, and the true worshipers of Christ, (among whom were the athree disciples of Jesus who should tarry) were called Nephites, and Jacobites, and Josephites, and Zoramites.

Then you surely feel at home in today's era of history revisionism, maybe even with modern LDS intellectual scholars who do the interpreting for you.

Section 132 is a joke much like most of the D&C sections that were made up to suit needs of the changing church (pushing it the direction the leaders wanted it to go) or to give Joseph full power, or sections that were changed from the original way it was given.

@@keithwheeler341 You are not making sense. What section of D&C to you claim are "sections that were changed from the original way it was given."? What is your point and where do you stand?

​@@thelatterdayteacher if you compare the 1832 edition of Book of Commandments compared to the 1835 Doctrine and Covenants, you will see some damming changes made. Joseph Smith claimed that those first revelations came by way of the interpreters, word for word from God, and then changed them a few years later. I invite everyone to look it up. It's alarming.

@@thelatterdayteacher JS literally told his followers that Jesus said they should build him a house, all while he was "sealed" to his followers' wives. A deeply unhealthy belief system here. Not to mention telling Native Americans, who have been here for 20,000 plus years, that they are descendants of Jews. So unbelievably racist and incorrect. Please respect Native Americans, their stories, their sufferings, and their histories by abandoning this ridiculous fairy tale. Thanks.

Perhaps what you are describing is a reflection on the consequences of attempting to stay true to the principles of the Gospel while at the same time melding current societal values and practices into your belief system. It is a paradox that simply can't be worked out.

@@thelatterdayteacher Yes. Thanks for your reply. Perhaps it will be more ideal in a Celestial system like the United Order? And I'm curious if eventually in such a system will they end up actually working side by side during the hours of the day.

As there are several comments here from various sources on this thread, would you please clarify what is ignorant and how you, yourself are not ignorant?

Each person has a unique story and path.

@@thelatterdayteacher I'm a shut in because of physical problems, but I study around 3/4 of the day. History and Religion both, it's my passion and appointment

@@stevenbolin7688 I like your answer. Do you feel it is essential for defamatory sources that some attempt to mix with church history to be verified beyond the weak standards of today?

@@thelatterdayteacher Hmmm 🤔 really interesting,I'm not sure, I was a pastor before I joined. Not qualified for your question. Yeah there's a lot of problems with the old and new ways. Dissent is there. But I'm a lazy learner, 😆

@@thelatterdayteacher I'm curious why asked about defamatory sources? I don't see that he did or asked something defamatory unless it came from a different video where you started talk to him? If you are asking about this, I would tie in and reinforce what your purpose and intent is if you state something negative. This is the pattern in D&C 50; the verses on edification how 2 people build one another up. Show an increase of love afterwards when you have to rebuke your child. Its the same with gospel investigators. Sometimes you have to bring up something negative, so afterwards you want to show increase of faith and assurance. Let me further clarify. You don't want to bring up something defamatory. I wouldn't use those. But sometimes there's things that are negative because of behavior in the church that have to be brought up in order to be corrected and then sometimes people mistakenly think its defamation, but your intent may have been to correct a wrong point. But they didn't understand it. And this is why you reassure like a parent. Example 1; Jacob rebukes the members of his day for lusting after having concubines. He's teaching them something they are doing is wrong. Now in the modern day example, someone might not realize we're allowed to encourage and exhort someone or other members. Its an Aaronic priesthood responsibility even. So we might see something we're doing wrong and bring attention to it. But others don't know us, we're not in their ward. So they might think we're bashing when we're actually wanting a wrong to be corrected, or for correction teaching of a matter to be brought forth so the gray area isn't exploited further. Some might misunderstand that as defamation based on their own weaknesses. But if you come back and reassure of intent and purpose and that your purpose is to build up not destroy it helps to not have misunderstands that might be misconstrued as defamatory when they aren't.

Hmmm

It very likely did occur to them and no reason to think that maybe they did not ask.

So I am wondering what you mean by "bunch" and the context of "boats". Perhaps you can elaborate a little on what specific time or time period you are referring to, maybe there is a specific story you have heard to repeat this thing you heard on this comment thread? May I infer by the tone of of your comment that you are an atheist? Or if you are not an atheist, could you set us straight on how the deity whom you worship operates? I implore you to share your truth here, enrich humanity by enlightening us with your knowledge, lead us to the light where you stand. Thank you

That's a fun story and a great memory for you! Thank you for sharing.

or possibly he is John the Revelator

Okay, so no one is acquainted with them and no LDS are able to get to know them. What does that comment have to do with this story?

So let's ask, have you ever seen anything of had anything occur to you in your life which had no good explanation? Do you live your life like this: Everything you encounter is either explainable, predictable or it is a figment of your imagination?

@@thelatterdayteacher Yes weird and hard to explain things have happened...but just because I don't know why doesn't mean I think it is the boogie man, a fairy, an elf, 3 lamenties, Apollo or Thor somehow appearing to help me. 300 years ago you would have been telling me some elves in the mountains were real and helping me out, now it's the lamenties...but the same fictional story tail for both. If you want to believe in say the lochness monster or whatever go for it- it's kinda fun believing in all that stuff.

Wow, it's interesting to note there is always something odd about these men, whether it be in dress, manner of talking, or choice of words. We don't usually hear of 3 showing up together. About those pills, it would be fascinating to have them analyzed to see what was in them.

The 3 disciples yes, but not 3 Nephites

@@federicoeco9030 4 Nephi 1:36: 36 And it came to pass that in this year there arose a people who were called the aNephites, and they were true believers in Christ; and among them there were those who were called by the Lamanites-Jacobites, and Josephites, and bZoramites; 37 Therefore the true believers in Christ, and the true worshipers of Christ, (among whom were the athree disciples of Jesus who should tarry) were called Nephites, and Jacobites, and Josephites, and Zoramites.