If you compare to those then I would select Certate. If the line capacity of PE1.5-200m is good enough then I would go with 4000-CXH, but might have used LT5000-CXH to have extra line capacity to stock PE2-300m for variety of fishing including offshore light jigging / casting for mackerel, snapper, mahi mahi type of species, with mono-line pre-spooled.

Fair enough, I can understand that for sure. Well let's see how it can be differed from the original roller oscillation when it's out :)

Technically both can handle the lure, therefore it will all depends on what type / size of species you target, and/or the rod weight balance. If you use the new reel for bigger size fish I would use SW model, but could be around middle size like 50cm, for Snapper, Bluefish, Trevally (not GT), mackerel etc then I would use the normal TP.

Those are totally different, Certate is heavier but more rigid for sure, it is more for tough use and/or for bigger species. Luvias is one rank lower reel with all ZAION carbon material, mainly for lighter use. If you use Luvias after Certate the spinning and its weight are really light, and senesitive, but not quite tough like Certate, less retrieve torque and possibly less durability.

@jpfishingtacklenews195 thank you for responding. I have the Caldia and Salamandura and love them both. Just put more white grease in gears when I received them. Kinda dry from factory. Also bail bearings too.

Thank you ! It can work, but you may need to have lighter head like 30g, 40g, 50g to adjust the falling speed. Personally Cast-Rubber rig is recommended as they are designed to cast from shore, so that you can seach for wider area.

@jpfishingtacklenews195 thank you happy new year

I have only use Limited once, but to me, XR is a little harder than Limited, but a little harder to cast than Limited too. XR is good enough rod to be used for most of anglers I believe, but Limited is surely much nicer, the cast is easier, more sensitive, bends well on fighting but does not mean it's weak, the butt is powerful and can lift up fish really well.

Actually I haven't used Nessa BB yet but seems like new BB is a little softer than this. The guide is all stainless frames + SiC rings.

Thank you very much! Well not really weak so far, I've been using this for a while and there's no off-paint mark so far. Of course not good for scratches on the rock, but I can't see weakness comparing to others :)

Thank you for sharing your review! Yeah that's good reel for sure :)

Ah haha yes that can be the better way of course :)

Well we are not quite sure about it, it might be but might not be, we don't know as we are not a part of the company and it'd be super hard to define Perfect Product, even if I could own fishing reel maker and made the perfect reel for me, that would not be a perfect one for somebody else. All we can say is we will see how it is when it's out, from our perspective :)

Excuse us but don't get what you mean, we checked our online store backlog and found no order related to you. If that's for our store then please email us via contact form with your order ID.

We are afraid but what's for? It really depends on what you use it for, if that's for the lighter type of fishing it's a good reel :) You can see our review if interested.

Yes as we included in the video, surprisingly. We'll see how it's different from the last model :)

Well personally lots of people can wait until other models come out such as Certate SW, Caldia SW, BG, etc in future. Personally, I might have not bought one if I did not this channel TBH haha

Thank you very much :)

that roller drag pads are cool but its for very big game fish and i dont think everyone will be getting that 14k+ reel as lots people dont use such a big gear for normal size fishing ...i pull 40inch halibut with my cheap BG DAIWA 4k reel

​@@thatonebeoneyou can get that roller drag spool from 8k upto 14k through daiwa's after market online shop SLP -works but if you buy the spool you have also too buy the drag knob which is sold separately....

@@thatonebeone i do also own a 16 daiwa bg 5000H and by the way you can fit a 20 saltiga or 21 certate SW spool to the 16 Daiwa BG provided they have the same body size. And also i don't think that you need that new roller drag....

​@@thatonebeoneyou can get that roller drag spool 8k upto 14k at daiwa's after market online shop SLP -works but you have to buy also the drag knob in order for the spool to work. The twist is You have to buy them separately 😄😄😄😄

@@sunajiram8008 darn marketing lol .. il stick with my BG it gets the job done... ill spend the money on my light game set up i have more fun in light game since i done catch monsters lol.. getting a SLP WORKS EXIST SF 2000.. and plus i dont reel in with the reel i pull reel in with the rod mostly so i dont need a very heavy duty gearing i keep that fishing on my tuna gear lol

We are afraid we don't get what you mean, is that because of the Infinity Loop? Then I would check the way of casting first, making sure to keep the line tension at casting. If you think it's not caused by your casting, then I would think to respool with hard lines such as Shimano HardBull, Varivas Max Power 10x10, Daiwa Dura Sensor Si3, etc.

This is DAIWA Dura Heavy Si2, sinking braided line.

Yes the fishing show is set on mid January 2025. We are not quite sure yet, but we expect they will reveal more informations just a week before the fishing show. So exciting!

Yeah true, and when I compare to the 2023 Saltiga this reel feels lighter on spinning.

Thank you :) Basically, SW Version's the body is thicker and heavier, the gear is also slightly larger and thicker, the AirDrive Rotor is also stronger and more rigid over the LT models. Especially the 4000 size LT model only has C = Compact model which has 3000 size body + 4000 size spool, so SW 4000 is much bigger and more rigid but heavier.

Bnde saltiga 4000 2023 var

Oh really, that's interesting, thank you!

The Alphas BF will be coming (or already on the market?) and I also heard that the new Steez will come soon. Other than that, no info so far.

I'm a big Shimano fanboy. I use twin power sw, multiple ocea jiggers and Saragossa, stradic etc. but it is well known in the professional fishing community that the saltiga beats the Stella in every way

@bigmil1 i have the saltiga and stella. I am a shimano and daiwa user. No, saltiga is not above stella, imo they are both equal in performance. There are more stella owners than saltiga iin my place coz the former is easy and cheaper to maintain than the saltiga. Daiwa has limited service centers. The magseal, so expensive. Parts of stella are readily available. This is how stella outperforms saltiga.

@@DNOYPIANGLER I'm glad Stella works well for you. Have you heard if Shimano will update the Stella line in 2025? I just wonder when the will update it

Well we'll see how they are different if new STELLA SW comes up on 2025 :) I can't personally say which is better as they are just different, they both have better points over each others, so really depends on what type of reels you like.

@@bigmil1 Honestly, I have no info yet about the stella's next upgrade or if they will release it on 2025. But let's see as the rivalry between these two is intense. But it will happen soon perhaps because Shimano transferred some technologies of the stella to the twin power this year, so perhaps there will be a big change on the upcoming stella.

I am actually quite interesting and want to know why as DAIWA does not make any models with metal rotor for smaller models.

Oh yes definetly you need 25000 for that! lol

Yes it's interesting hey.. As of our research they actually had roller oscillation for larger reels and pillar system for smaller, so I am personally not sure it's coming down to the smaller models but yes that could be interesting if that happenes :)

Great! Will see how it will when it's out :)

Yes highly possibly, will see if it comes out!

Haha yeah damn lol

Well yeah that's really heavy. We'll see how it feels when it's out :)

Official says no, looks like they made them totally separated for smaller SW and larger SW. The min size is 8000 :)

Hmm I see. Personally I am very curios of this as it has the totally new oscillation system, of course new things can be better or worse, and yeah whole model gained their weight, so well, we'll see when it's out :)

@@jpfishingtacklenews195 you didn't get me.Its not new.This patern is from 2010-2015 saltigas.Also now is super heavy.680gr for the 8000H model.For plugging no problem.For jigging its not good.Stella is only 625gr at same size.

@@shorejiggerchris3364 Oh I am sorry for that, it is completely my bad, yes you are right that is actually the same base of silent oscillation 😳 Well then I would wish the should be the reason why they did that.. But yeah that's heavy reel.

@@jpfishingtacklenews195 the reel will be good.But not all specs are new.Also heavy and higher priced than old one.Will get a stella instead of this

@@shorejiggerchris3364 Well yeah I can get your point really. We'll try to see how they are different, how heavy it can feel and stuff, thank you very much for reminding me about it!

Ah! Haha, but yeah maybe, the 2020 model can be pricing down when it's out next year :)

Only buying a new one as I managed to break my current one dropping it on concrete an snapping off the reel foot . Big mistake but lucky insurance paid me out the full cost for a new reel but think I’ll wait as I have various other reels just not as nice a the saltiga

Well yes that looks more like 2023 SALTIGA hey, and I know it's not a good one for some. I am personally expecting it's a bit of in between 2020 and 2023, but yeah we'll tell how it is in our reviews when it's out :)

Oh gosh yes for sure! haha.. And to us, seems like SHIMANO STELLA SW is coming too.. Such a breaking the bank year the 2025 is!!

It is designed for shore jigging and super power fishing. If you want somwthing cheaper go for Van Staal.

Of course

Well see how it feels when it's out but that's one of the main target of this reel for, so technically yes of course :) The smallest size is 8000P/H, 670/680g, so if that meets your requirements then it should be good for it.

I would say it depends on what u wanna do If u are more into Ultra Light or light Rock Fishing a better choice would be the daiwa exist 22 LT or Shimano Stella/Vanquish but If u are more into heavier Fishing Go for it!

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Thank you very much for letting us know that :) Surely it's mechanically a big change, and the enlarged gears with extra parts inside gained its weight but I see that's the reason of the design. We'll see how it is updated when it's out :)

Yes for sure, and that's the DAIWA's company characteristic and love it :)

Just so you know, basically the new 23 Airity LT2500s-XH is the equivalent model of Luvias Airity FC 2500S-XH :)

@ I don’t like the bail and the spool

If you meant which one would I buy from those, then I would say it really depends. The structure and schematic is quite similar, but obviously different, TwinPower is more for powerful, tough and high durability, and the Vanquish is more for light, sensitive use. So, if I would use for tough use like jigging, offshore light fishing, I would select TwinPower. Or if that's for light game, and/or medium game fishing but you need to catch information from under the water as much as possible, I would use Vanquish. If you meant "would you buy those if you were just normal user" then I would still say yes, I've been using them since I purchased and I love them, personally.

Thank you for subscribing us! Well I personally set it so that it can spool lines evenly at the beginning, and then adjust by lure weight when I use. Normally when I set the spool tension at the line spooling it works well to the lure weight, but in case if not, i will adjust again at use. Hope it is the answer you wanted :)

Thank you very much :)

I agree, that's really nice cost effective reel for sure :) Oh yeah I understand that, we were surprised how thin it is, it becomes like SHIMANO's one.

@ also is it just me but I like having a folding reel handle for storage and traveling

Hi, it basically depends what you need for the new reel. If you don't literally need toughness, strength and not for heavy duty, Luvias will do the job perfectly. Otherwise, Certate. Personally, I wouldn't use Certate for fishing with LT2500 size as I wouldn't need such strength and toughness, and I would select either Luvias or Airity, depends on the budget.