@@vernonodell5286 try different kind of release. Forget pushing with index. Instead of pushing with index just keep the grip firm enough and let the knife slide out byitself. I talk about this approach more on my newer video ”how to throw a knife (the punching method)”

I practice just 1-3 times per week. Shoulder pain is common among any kind of throwers. My osteopath friend always advices me to do a little of some sort of HEAVY weight strength training to keep the injuries at bay.

I also noticed while watching your videos and some of Tom Tom's videos that the knife is straight the ENTIRE flight, from the moment it leaves your hand to hitting the board. Does this just come with practice? Is this the perfect no spin throw?

@@jaketwilcox13 it’s a feature of wave no spin throw which is based on pulling. It cannot be achieved with push-style. Keep firm grip all the way like you were not want to let go of the knife and throw with your lower body (legs and hips) while everything else is relaxed (but guided).

The firmness of the grip plays a big role. I have this old video: This regards only full spin but it might help: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p37bemtprN-kbaMsi=KS8wkMiybAd23Yaq

@@joelholopainen6865 very thanks my friend!!!

He is throwing with stiff wrist. I keep it relaxed. Check out ilikeknives from instagram. He better than me and Rolf.

@@joelholopainen6865 I'm gonna check it out, I'll come later to say what I thought

@@joelholopainen6865 damn, that dude is doing barehanded archery, If I had that much skill I'd identify myself as a bow lmao, dude throws the Straightest I've ever seen, btw, what kind of throwing is that with the stiff wrist that Rolf do? Does it have a name?

@@CRTCLDSSTR​​⁠ Rolf definitely has a wave style with stiff wrist. That’s what it’s called. Similar to Tom Tom’s style. Don’t be fooled by the straightness of ilikeknives’s throws. That particular filming angle makes everything look straight. I have made a video about this. It’s called ”Thoughts about the release angle of the knife”. Can be found from my channel.

@@joelholopainen6865 fine, I'll watch it

No other than trying to think half spin as same as no spin. In Yuri Fedin’s examples half spin eventually act in the same as no spins. The knife just turn 180 first and then fly straight to the target.

If you throw it exactly as you do with no-spin, wouldn't the knife fly handle-first into the target? Something has to be different.

@@AAA-tc1uh​​⁠that’s right and the difference is the softer grip which allows the knife to spin 180.

@@joelholopainen6865 TY, will keep training.

It helps me if I approach the as a punch and if I think that the throw is the same from 2 meters and 10 meters. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYSWpZ2pfM6cedUsi=gtYvBD6rq2lO0dIG

@@joelholopainen6865 🤘 thanks! I'll give it a try and post!

I have no interest in competition anymore. If there was a big prize money, then maybe.

7 meters here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/op2Qd6CJmq-dhZIsi=_vZKHZrO-HROLed_

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Hey, that's awesome! Stay on it!

When your technique develops you are ready to move to lighter knives which are more sensitive but nicer to throw and train with. ’Sensitive’ means that the knives are less forgiving for little mistakes but also react more sensitively to your ’commands’. Heavier knives are more stable but the feeling while throwing them is clumsier. I won with arrows 5-6 years ago. A lot have changed since then. But for long distance throwing I would still choose arrows. For 3-7 meter competition I would choose 6mm No reload by Zitoon. They are better than Devil Claw lights. Both are 210 g. At the end of the day these are all questions of personal taste.

@@joelholopainen6865Thank you alot ! You did clear my mind, i actually throw bo shuriken 20cm long 100g , and 180g 23cm kiridashi so i did not try anything heavier for now, i was wondering which throwing knife i should get to start training for competition and the 6mm No reload was in my list of choice, i think my personal taste will be close to yours even if i'm actually too much of a beginer to know exactly, i see you as the Ronaldo of throwing knife i'm really happy to receive your advice 👌!

I always say that it’s not a about the car, it’s about the driver. Zitoon knows what he’s doing and you can’t go wrong with any of these knives you mentioned. Having said this, me and Adam Celadin have won all our medals and have done all our records with arrows. But the answer still depends. If you have a high grip the arrow may not be a good option.

@@joelholopainen6865Thx alot ! 👌

@@joelholopainen6865 Thx alot! 👌

@@joelholopainen6865 Thx alot !

@@joelholopainen6865Thx bro you rock 💪!

It’s 200 grams, I suppose. Yeah, I’m Helsinki, Finland. Lots of good places to train but only handful of serious throwers. Weird.

@@joelholopainen6865 Here almost all the throwers I've met throw using the spin method and are into the WKTL. Very few no spin throwers who experiment with other knives.

Thanks. The wave no spin throw is a true rabbit hole which has so many little details and moving parts.

Thanks. It’s hard and full of things you need to understand and practice.

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5munZp9mr-ooMk @@joelholopainen6865 I will train and study your technique 3 months and return ☯🙇

Thanks. The more I train the more everything seems to be one and the same thing.

@@joelholopainen6865 i agree. And i have learned a lot from you, so thanks a million!🤟🏼

Cooli-o... Adam on vanha kaveri, mut ei olla nähty livenä sitten 2018 mm-kisojen. Tervetuloa veitsenheiton kaninkoloon. Haastavaa touhua, joka vaatii paljon reeniä, eikä siitä oo mitään ulkoista hyötyä. Mitä nyt voi jotain polttariporukkaa viihdyttää. XD

Yeah, there are many techniques and even mine have changed many times over the years. To me this is a wave style presented in the vid. - closed grip from the bottom, no air holes - grip is firm but relaxed (I know it’s hard) - start loosening your grip when you feel extreme tension in your wrist (at this moment the tip of the knife points backwards from the target) - never open the grip - early release is one of the secrets of no spin - start from 1-2 meters and report back how it goes. I’m on messenger too.

Thank you very much. I am sticking consistently at 1-2 meters but one step back at 3 meters is inconsistent, which tells me my technique is wrong. I will keep working grip and early release. I have been throwing rotational for years and breaking away from that might be difficult. You have definitely taught me more about blade control and the essence of knife throwing. Thanks again man. I appreciate you taking the time @@joelholopainen6865