lamar doesn't have one real int allen has at least 8 rushing tds from under the 5 yard line

Really Bro. , sounds like you have a vote for Josh Allen. Just go ahead and give it JOSH. NOW, no Stat matters, take the stats away for Lamar and ad other categories for Josh, TRANSPARENT

Kinda funny you don't wanna strictly compare them as a passer and want to include rushing when everyone knocks lamar for running lol... they are QUARTERBACKS!!! Lets stick to the passing

Lamar Jackson has more fumbles because he runs more look how many more rushing yards 😭ints are the correct stat to use

“Unfair”?. Allen has more TDs this year than Lamar. Allen had better, overall, stats than Lamar last year with a worse team record. You can’t have it both ways

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again Josh Allen can’t lace Lamar Jackson clients. There are levels to this and Josh is a level below Lamar.

I pray Lamar pays little or NO! attention, WHAT SO EVER to this MVP nonsense. Just keep playin'!

😂😂😂 Lamar Jackson plays in the toughest division in football lets get that out the way josh Allen plays in weak division none of them teams are making the playoffs josh Allen was playing so bad they went in got amari Cooper Lamar Jackson is clearly the front runner the players knows what's up with Lamar Jackson mv3

Are you going to add lamar almost 800 yards rushing with his passing yards 3600🤔

You saying everything is misleading & that’s just not true. It’s your opinion I get that. But that stuff actually matters.

If it's so close, how is it already over? You people have to twist so much to rob Lamar Jackson. This is an illness.

Josh Allen Went 9/30 131 yards against the Texans. Tht game alone ended his MVP talks

Yeah they are. Just like they did last year for lamar with averge numbers lol

Josh Allen had a turnover vs the Ravens, strip sack by KVN

You forgot to mention that the Ravens also beat the Chargers in LA on Monday night who at the time was considered the number one ranked defense in the NFL

Josh has beaten the chiefs and lions. He is MVP.

The bills were undefeated when they played the ravens...they were playing good ball...and the ravens beat them...

You conveniently missed the fact that 13 defensive players for the Lions didn't play and they lost 3 more during the game. The Lions had no defense that game.

Have we compared the strength of schedule? I know there is a large discrepancy there. Would the Bills be 11-3 if they played a healthy chiefs, Steelers, Bengals twice, Bucs, Eagles, Broncos, and Chargers? Maybe but not as likely. Ravens will have played every single AFC playoff team by year's end in addition to the NFC #2 seed (possible #1 seed).

I mean, Chicago is the windy city... Does that have something to do with it?

Two biggest factors against Lamar; Henry and expectations. Nearly half of Lamars yards are off play-action. 20 % of Allens are on play-action. You can watch the impact Henry has in playaction as not only do linebackers bite hard, safeties cheat as well, which creates huge voids in the defense. James Cook doesnt provide that, backers rarely cheat against Buffalo, and if they do its on Allen. Lamar's recievers are averging 7 yards of seperation per completion. Allens recievers are averging just under 2 yards of seperation per completion. Lamar's completion percentage when his recievers have less than two yards of seperation is 38%, Allen's is 60%. The highest completion percentage Lamar has ever had in a season where his recievers have less than 2 yards of seperation is 42%, Allens lowest was 44% which was his rookie year. Since his second year Allen leads the league in completion percentage when his recievers have less than 2 yards of seperation at 59%. Those stats have nothing to do with anything excpet to showcase Allens arm talent over Lamars. Lamar is a freak of nature, and so is Allen, just in different ways. The Ravens average record prediction across the board for nfl analysts at ESPN was 14-3 and were the Frontrunner over the Chiefs to finish with the best record. They had the best odds at winning the Super bowl(which they still have an excellent chance), and they had the 2nd highest rated roster. Buffalos record prediction was 9-8, and some "experts" even predicted them to go 4-13. they were expected to finish 3rd in the division and miss the playoffs. They had the 24th rated roster in the NFL. Behind teams like the Bears, jags, and saints. True fans can recognize greatness, casual enjoyers of the game call nfl players Trash. Im just excited that any given game I watch, may have a must watch guy at the helm.

First of all -> i don't care about the mvp. I want a superbowl win, i'm also a bills fan. Here is my opinion for what it's worth. LJ deserved his first MVP, easily one of the greatest seasons of football i've ever seen. he did not deserver the second. last year there really wasn't a good option for MVP, Lamar sort of got a pity mvp last year because brock purdy and tua both melted down in the home stretch. In reality in a year with no obvious MVP it should have been a hell of a lot more competitive yet for some reason the media went all in on Jackson. The most statistically impressive QB of last year was probably josh allen. Even with his turnovers. but the bills weren't a top seed so i get why Lamar would win the MVP. This year i think if everything was equal Saquan probably should be the frontrunner. That said. It's becoming a bit of a clown shown that JA hasn't won an MVP yet (frankly it's embaressing the types of numbers he's been putting up the highest he came in mvp voting was no.2, to an aaron rogers who padded his stats all year by throwing TDs on the 1 yard line). when you look at the past 4 years he's lapped the whole league in output. putting up historic numbers in the air and on the ground. seasons of consistent production even manning and brady couldn't produce. for the past 4 years he had ended the season with a combined 40+ TDs and a min of a combined 4800 yards of offense (passing and rushing). only like 2 players in league history have one season like that, josh has done it 4 years straight. This is peak cam newton numbers, but instead of one season like this he's now going on 5 straight years (it will be 5 years assuming he doesn't get shut down by the jets and pats to end the year). He's over 35 total TDs and 4000 yards (total) with 3 games remaining to put some of the nonsense he's doing into perspective. against the rams he had 6TDs, 3 rushing, 3 passing. he did this without being sacked or intercepted (or fumbled). against the lions he finished with 4tds, 2 rushing 2 passing. he did this without being sacked or intercepted (or fumble). against the 49ers he had 3tds, no sacks, fumbles or interceptions. he has taken a team with a bunch of free agent castoffs, a couple of late rounders and one first round player (Kincade) to the no.2 offense in the league. He has no probowlers at any skill position on this team. Shakir and Cook probably will be probowlers at least once in their career. but right now, nothing. Lamar has been very good this year, but crushing the giants, a 2 win football team isn't in the same class as beating the lions on their home turf. Again, i don't really care about who wins the MVP, frankly I thought the mvp talk for JA was really out of line most of the year. It wasn't till the last 3 weeks i started to think "yeah this is an MVP season). Frankly the last thing i'd want is Josh winning a joke mvp like Lamar got last year. Personally I'd be happy with Lamar winning the MVP again this year if it gave the bills a superbowl victory. But baring some sort of karmic wheel of fate that can make that trade a reality i'll just say, JA will probably win the MVP, and Saquan probably should win it, unless JA really goes off these last 3 weeks (he won't, the bills are usually content to run the ball and eat clock when they're beating bottom feeders, not desperately pass for numbers like Lamar did last week against the hapless giants). I'd also like to note that the media hate wagon lamar and josh get is sorta unreal. And that Ravens fans gotta get that chip off their shoulder about it. at least the media voted lamar the MVP twice, even if he didn't really deserve the second one. Just take that and be happy that even if the media is unfair to lamar, they still recognize his greatness (and he's a great guy too). personally i wish the league would push Lamar like they push mahomes... atleast lamar is a good person, Mahomes is surounded by awful people which makes me wonder about him.

yea? And last year Josh destroyed Lamar's stats and Lamar still won. So this conversation is entirely moot.

Remember ESPN Dan Orlovsky, Mina Kimes, Teddy Bruschi are 3 of the 50 voters for MVP.🤔

Allen beat an injury riddled 49ers team in the snow in Buffalo and a injury riddled lions defense

Bills play in the weakest division and a cake schedule outside of chiefs and lions

Lamar numbers speak for themselves from the beginning of the season, Josh Allen has some great games but Lamar Stats has been consistent great.👍🏽

Postseason stats Allen vs Lamar Passer Rating- Allen 100, Lamar 75 TD/INT- Allen 21/4 Lamar 6/6 Record- Allen 5-5 Lamar 2-4

as a lamar guy also bring up strength of schedule which lamar has obviously had worse and plays in a far tougher division. Also the fact that lamar has to play near perfect every game even against trashcans since their defense has been sooo atrotious this year. not saying that the bills defense is even good but the ravens are just 1.9 ppg less then the bills but the bills have a point differential thats 2nd in the league which is 49 points higher then the ravens point differential. Not only that the ravens havent been blown out the point differential in their losses this year have been -4.4 while the bills have a -10 point differential avg in losses(I do understand there is less data so its more skewed ). Lamar keeps games competetive no matter and has been un believeably consistent even in losses but allen has had a few games where he just couldnt get things going like in the head to head and against the texans. Also Lamar has the bigger chances to prove himself in the next 2 games especially if he can pull out convincing wins even if allen blows out the jets and pats my mvp vote would remain with Action Jackson.

They beat a lot of teams .The Ravens kicked their ASS!!

What did I just watch 😂😂😂😂 Lamar and it’s not close

It’s not close ….Take out all the Stush push touchdowns & then talk to Lamar !

OK, so lets do this: ** Completion %: Lamar 68.1%, Allen 64.4% ** Passing Yards: Lamar 3580, Allen 3395 ** Pass Yards/Attempt: Lamar 8.9, Allen 8 ** Passing TDs: Lamar 34, Allen 25 ** Interceptions: Lamar 3, Allen 5 ** Passer Rating: Lamar 120.7, Allen 103.5 ** Rushing Yards: Lamar 743, Allen 484 ** Rush Yards/Attempt: Lamar 6.4, Allen 5.3 ** Total Touchdowns: Lamar 37, Allen 36 ** Perfect Passer Ratings this season: Lamar 1, Allen 0 ** Total Offense: Lamar 4186, Allen 3818 ** Touchdown %: Lamar 8.4%, Allen 5.9% ** Passing Touchdown/Interception Ratio: Lamar 11.3, Allen 5 ** 5+ Passing Touchdown Games: Lamar 2, Allen 0 ** 5+ Total Touchdown Games: Lamar 2, Allen 1 ** Offensive player of the week awards this season: Lamar 3, Allen 2 ** 4th Quarter Comebacks: Lamar 2, Allen 0 ** Bad Throw %: Lamar 14.1%, Allen 18.4% ** Head to Head this season: Lamar 1, Allen 0 (Allen was so bad against the Ravens bottom ranked defense that he got replaced towards the end of the game) -- TEAM record: Allen 11-3, Lamar 9-5 (keep in mind, Tucker missed an insane amount of field goals that would have won them multiple games, but i'll ignore that fact just to give Allen a point here) -- Fumbles Lost: Allen 2, Lamar 5 -- Rushing Touchdowns: Allen 11, Lamar 3 -- QBR: Allen 79.3, Lamar 76 Offensive player of the month award this season: Lamar 1, Allen 1 Every stat maked with a ** is where lamar is ahead of Allen, stats marked with a -- is where Allen is ahead of Lamar. Tell me how Josh Allen is better and deserves the MVP? In what world does that make any sense.

Lamar ain't even the MVP of his own team 😂😂😂

Ravens were 1and 2 bills were 3 and 0 and the ravens beat allen with lamar scoring one passing one rushing allen had nothing !!! Allen has played 6 under .500 teams lamar has played 6 teams over .500. Meanwhile allen has never made the super bowl either and you forgot that farve and rogers won 3 mvps and no super bowl .so dismiss me with that .your bias and blind

Man Josh Allen has never made a Super Bowl 🙄. Also JetsX2, Dolphins X2, and PatriotsX2 smh. I really don’t care if they give it to Josh. If Lamar wins the next three and Allen loses one. I would think Lamar would be back in the lead.

Also, you said the Bills weren't playing as well when they played the Ravens as they are now. The Bills were 3-0 heading into that game and the Ravens were 1-2.

Wait so the Ravens' win vs the Bills was because of Derrick Henry and we should ignore the fact Jackson had 2 tds ( 1 passing and 1 rushing) and Allen had none? Ok.

Well one candidate beat the dog shaaat out of the other candidate this year. So the losing candidate shouldn’t win if you’re comparing stats and their head to head should be considered.

Jackson lost to the Chiefs and the Eagles who are two playoff teams. Plus he lost to the Raiders and Browns who both stink and dropped one, so far, to the Steelers. He also has the most dominant RB in the game to take the pressure off him. Allen beat the Chiefs, 9ers, Lions and has not lost a division game.

First off, great job breaking down and dissecting the current MVP race. However…………..I do feel that context should be used on both sides not just one. 1. Yes, D. Henry did go off that game and would’ve been the MVP based on his performance. But, we’re comparing Lamar and Josh and head to head the more “pure” QB could score a single TD while the “RB” scores 2 passing. How does that not factor in. 2. You stated that Lamar has tougher games than Lamar down the stretch. Well, do we consider the level of difficulty in schedule? Cause if we’re using College references then would the AFC North be considered the SEC while AFC East is considered Mountain Conference? Yes, you don’t choose the teams you play but you also shouldn’t overhype the more dominant team for winning. The same way everyone is passing off Lamar’s recent win over the Giants. Josh has the benefit of play trash teams 6x throughout the course of this season where Lamar is legit having to compete against multiple above 500 teams. Shit even Burrows numbers are comparable to Josh’s and his team sucks right now. Who’s Josh dominating, a CTE ridden Tua, a team in NE that can’t find a win to save their life and a very end of the road looking A. Rod that is busy blaming everyone else on talk shows than show up and take accountability. Josh has been playing great these past couple games but Lamar has been playing great all season. We’re looking at a sample size versus a total body of work.

Lamar stans butthurt. Cant stand the fact Allen is better. Seethe ya lamar cum guzzlers. aaahhahahaha

Bottom line Allen is doing alot more with way less talent . Give me a break

Well just to let u know the mvp is not based off of the last few weeks but the entire 17 week season and lamar has played better football than josh. But to your point of the Bill's beating the chiefs well lamar beat the Bill's. And since u didnt watch the game let me just let u in on something henry would not have been the mvp of the game and he is not the reason they won. As a matter of fact henry had 20 something runs and was getting stopped and just happened to break the 80yrd run AT THE END OF THE GAME and up until that point YES IT WAS LAMAR WHO JUST OUT PLAYED JOSH and I can tell you didnt watch the game or u would have known the game was over before henry broke it for that long run which was pretty much all henry did. He was not getting chunk plays or anything. That game was won on lamars arm. So that's a stat that's very misleading. In fact that's how it has been this entire season, henry not doing shit until the 4th qtr where he breaks one for 60 or more yrds but up until that point lamar is wheeling and dealing and then everyone see henry had 100yrds and saying that's why they won and that couldnt be further from the truth. So get your facts right and you said stats are misleading and then proceed to use a very misleading stat to support your claim that its Allen when we all know what it is. Lamar has always been the best QB, pat has always had the best coached team not the best QB and josh has always been left out regardless of how much the media try's to put him as the 2nd best QB when he maybe 3rd behind pat cus lj8 is the best QB in the league but josh has nothing while Pat's WELL COACHED TEAM is winning rings AND LJ8 IS WINNING MVPS it leaves josh with nothing and "THEY" REALLY want josh to have something at this point when the truth is yea lj8 out played him when they played and if u not using that then u cant use the last 2 weeks to give anything to josh because the award is based on the ENTIRE SEASON AND JOSH HASNT BEEN PLAYING GREAT ALL SEASON YET LAMAR HAS AND HIS DEFENSE HAS LET THEM DOWN AND AT TIMES THIS SEASON JOSH HAS LET HIS TEAM DOWN. THE MVP IS LAMARS BASED ON THE SEASON. ITS NOT THE MVP OF THE LAST 3 WEEKS AND MAYBE U SHOULD WRITE THE NFL A LETTER TO SEE IF THE COULD START GIVING OUT 3 WEEK MVPS. BUT AS OF NOW ITS BASED ON THE SEASON AND I WATCH EVERY SINGLE GAME. ITS LAMAR. AND WASHINGTON IS MY TEAM NOT THE RAVENS

At least compare the strength of schedules instead of talking about the ravens strongest opponents. The bills did beat KC and the Lions, but they have had an overall easier schedule and Josh has less impressive numbers. Lamar has faced stronger opponents AND has put up more numbers.

Lamar had 3 touchdowns against the Bills

Let the season finish. Why are you deciding now? Last season MVP wasn’t decided until after Xmas. It’s too close to decide right now especially since Lamar has 2 huge games this week. If the Ravens win the AFC north (that would mean they win out) he should be the MVP. Ravens are a wildcard team then nope. “The college football rankings” Dude look at the schedules. Ravens have had the 2nd hardest schedule of all 32 teams and a better record against playoff/winning teams than the Bills. Just stop you look pretty dumb ngl.

So because allen sucked and got blew out so we wasnt passing its a knock on jackson who still went 13 of 18 and 3 overall tds...if allen made the game close we wouldv passed more then wat would his numbers been that game

The lions defense was depleted…ijs..do ya research

Bills play in the easiest division 😂 why don’t you mention this. Josh Allen has never made a Super Bowl either 😂 how don’t you mention this??? 😂