Lithium badly needs a good active balancer. Passive balancers are just useless and will invite problems sooner or later.
@Clarks-Adventure2 сағат бұрын
Yep
@jec_ecart3 сағат бұрын
Sir are you currently (or in the past) a pastor or some high ranking church figure ? You definitely sound like one.
@Clarks-Adventure2 сағат бұрын
No.
@michaelsrowland3 сағат бұрын
What would the minimum ah of the 12v battery have to be to charge a laptop with this device?
@Clarks-Adventure2 сағат бұрын
How many ah is the battery you are charging? If you can't do the math go by mass. If your charging battery weighs 10x the laptop battery expect it to charge it about 10x. That's not exactly but it's in the ballpark
@michaelsrowland2 сағат бұрын
@@Clarks-Adventure its for a 5700 mah dell laptop. ? I want to get the minimum 12v battery that will charge the laptop
@Clarks-AdventureСағат бұрын
Your laptop battery charges at about where a 12v LiFePO4 discharges voltage wise so you can compare just ah. So 100ah of big battery / 5.7ah of laptop battery * .80 for losses gives like 14
@michaelsrowlandСағат бұрын
@@Clarks-Adventure i am grateful for that
@arboretopalawan4 сағат бұрын
i want one, but a bit pricey for me. Filling in the survey. I have all the fridge skills and equipment.
@Clarks-Adventure2 сағат бұрын
They are available right now at marinedcac.com
@Actrealsurprised5 сағат бұрын
Why don’t they have balance leads like my lipo batteries for my rc cars. Or is that pretty much what a bms built in the battery does ?
@Clarks-Adventure2 сағат бұрын
It's what the BMS should do. Some aren't great at it
@Actrealsurprised5 сағат бұрын
That is awesome that you figured this all out. Good job buddy
@johnbianchi387712 сағат бұрын
Maybe just not use these firebombs in the first place. I plan to live without them as I have for the past 20 years.
@Clarks-Adventure11 сағат бұрын
As you like but I personally feel you are missing out. And LiFePO4 just isn't as subject to thermal runaway as other li chemistries. I personally only will use or recommend them After on a boat you never want your big decision to be will you burn or drown?
@PatricksDIY13 сағат бұрын
25:17 there are, aside from specific external parts you can purchase separately to include a BMS, or balance board etc. I build my own batteries from fresh cells. Most hobby chargers will charge that way (at least if you are using 12 to 24 volts), I have as ISDT Q8 max, that has balance connection along with "main" power connection, and it ensures each cell is balanced the same so you get the most out of your battery as a whole. It dynamically adjust the charging based on the cells like you stated.
@Clarks-Adventure13 сағат бұрын
I looked up this charger. No it doesn't charge the way I describe in this video. You may want to watch again.
@jimbaggett123317 сағат бұрын
I also bought 2 of these after watching this video. One seems to be decent ( so far) but, the other one is hot garbage. After only a few cycles the cells were so out of balance I had to open the unit up to try and balance them manually. These are the voltage readings I got - Cell 1 - 3.332 volts, Cell 2 - 3.009 volts, Cell 3 - 2.882 Volts and Cell 4 - 2.849 Volts. How does anything get that bad out of balance with less than 8 cycles? Also my BMS is different from yours, it only had one temp sensor instead of two and it was rolled up and glued to the BMS insulation board instead of attached to the cells like it should be. Looks like I got the Chinese bait and switch they are famous for, get a couple of good reviews then change the materials list and start pumping out the cheap garbage hoping no one catches on. On the other hand, all of my Redodo batteries work great - Note: I was using Victron chargers so it wasn't a crappy $40 charger that messed the Elefast up, this battery was junk when it left the factory. Oh, I do love all of your videos Clark so keep up the good work!
@Clarks-Adventure16 сағат бұрын
Sorry to hear that Jim, Thank you for leaving the comment. I hope new buyers read it
@el_sweetime18 сағат бұрын
Hey Clark I have a 3 power queen 200ah 12v batteries I noticed that one of them has a rattle when I shake it. Wondering what your thoughts are and what I should do Thanks for the help
@Clarks-Adventure18 сағат бұрын
? Don't shake it You can look at my view video to see what you guess has come loose and if you think it would pose a problem. It's probably fine
@jec_ecart22 сағат бұрын
18:48 whatever you're saying since last 7 minutes can be done with any good bms. Just have the settings (high cut, low cut) same among all parallel batteries. It works.
@jec_ecart22 сағат бұрын
Wonderful product. Sadly it costs more than my entire bank. 😅
@ThanosSustainableКүн бұрын
Unfortunately, there's a high number of wrong information in this video. Oh, this was a product presentation... now it makes sense.
@RussellIsland4UКүн бұрын
I want one in a box however I live in Qld Australia can you post here Brisbane cheers Steve
@Clarks-AdventureКүн бұрын
Sure. Talk to Stuart at MarineDCAC.com
@fisherholmsflyКүн бұрын
October 2024 here, you should’ve waited. Bought 2 100ah for $250 yesterday.
@marcobrian16192 күн бұрын
Brilliant talk about lifepo4 battery But does this go for DIY packs of cells. IV just got a 48v server rack"new" with eve 280ah cells, IV broke it down to make 2 24v packs.... I'm currently top balance all cells (8 at a time). But IV just had a customer ask me to look at his server rack....goes from 100% to 20% in about a hour...,.... Same again.....cells not balanced so BMS was seeing one cell hitting full and stopped charging then saw another hit low so shut down ....... Now all fully balanced.....works perfect.
@Clarks-Adventure2 күн бұрын
Yes you should charge any LiFePO4 this way
@kishanmajethia2 күн бұрын
Memory effect in lfp works differently. What you explained is different kind of memory effect observed in other cells
@shabadoo.music.productions2 күн бұрын
Not sure I'd want to charge a lithium battery with the only current limiting being whatever size fuse you use and the only voltage limiting being a voltage sensing relay. Seems like a dc to dc charger would be far safer and prolong the life of the battery. But some voltage and current protection is better than none.
@Clarks-Adventure2 күн бұрын
You might want to watch this again. The vsr is for the starter battery. The BankManager is controlling the charge of the li battery
@shabadoo.music.productions2 күн бұрын
@@Clarks-Adventure the bank manager. It senses when the starter battery voltage is higher than the lifepo4 voltage, closes the contacts, the relay, linking the starter battery to the lifepo4 battery? - a voltage sensing relay.
@Clarks-Adventure2 күн бұрын
I can't really understand what you just wrote but there is no vsr attached directly to the li battery in this video.
@shabadoo.music.productions2 күн бұрын
@@Clarks-Adventure the bank manger IS a glorified voltage sensing relay in the configuration you are using it in this video. There are plenty of actual battery monitors sub £100 with an output relay connection that with do just as good if not better job.
@shabadoo.music.productionsКүн бұрын
@@Clarks-Adventure bank manger vs dc to dc charger when charging from an alternator is like pwm vs mppt if charging from solar. Both work. But most people will choose mppt over pwm for its efficiency, safety and compatibility with different voltages and battery chemistry's. And as the lifepo4 bms overvoltage shutdown point will be above the voltage when damage is being caused to the cells if the bistable contactor fails while in the closed position or loses connection with the display panel it will continue charging the lifepo4/ remain connected to the starter battery?
@Vindsong2 күн бұрын
I have abused a gen 1. BankManager with the software upgrade for two years now and I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT! Buy, install, forget. It is literally how it has worked for me. I LOVE IT!!
@seriksson97212 күн бұрын
I have a thought that pieces of tape with different colors are better than marking with numbers. Place the pieces of tape so that they can be removed after it has hardened.
@kishanmajethia2 күн бұрын
I have a car with LFP battery. Whats the best charging strategy as per you? I discharge it till 20 to 30% and charge it back to 100%
@Clarks-Adventure2 күн бұрын
I think the BankManager of course
@kishanmajethiaКүн бұрын
@@Clarks-Adventure we cant use bank manager in cars. We have warranty to take care of
@Clarks-AdventureКүн бұрын
@kishanmajethia yep I understand There is a guy with a crazy expensive new motor coach who went BankManager He put the batteries and BankManager in a box that connects with a big Anderson connector When he takes it in for service he just unplugs it and removes the whole Li system.
@stoerenungeheuer5432 күн бұрын
The "Zeppelin Knot" was new to me. Thanks a lot! *"Zeppelin Bend"
@stoerenungeheuer5432 күн бұрын
(Quite funny, as I am a German ^^)
@aaronsmith5932 күн бұрын
If you charge only to 13.5 volts, then resting voltage rests even lower ? If you charge to 13.48 volts DC on a 12v Lifepo4 battery, you are not getting full charge and balance the cells. All Lifepo4 batteries come with a BMS battery management system that prevents overcharging. Lifepo4 battery chargers usually charge to 14.6 volts DC to fully charge and balance. Then at rest they settle around 13.4 v to 13.6 v. Although I do wish all Lifepo4 battery chargers came with adjustable charge voltages.
@Clarks-Adventure2 күн бұрын
They do. But that's my point, they shouldn't.
@amerkhafagiable2 күн бұрын
How come many car audio fans charge their battery bank (high C rate) directly from alternator without any device as dc-dc charger ?
@kenmix69742 күн бұрын
Loved the video. Lots of good information. I would like to see a video about how to set up multiple bank managers, I have 300ah of Battle Born that are about 4 years old. I would like to add 600ah more of a different brand. I currently have Victron chargers for solar, alternator, shore power and wind.
@Clarks-Adventure2 күн бұрын
Someday. Maybe when I get back to the boat. For now it's just like setting up one the second BankManager's contactor's lead side goes to the same lead the first
@5400bowen2 күн бұрын
I use LiFePo mixed with lead acid. Doesn't matter one bit. Guys on youtube are looking for affiliate income.
@NaturalHerbsForHealth2 күн бұрын
Learn to stick to a topic and straight to the point this video couod be under 3 mins but Toomuch beating as round the bush 🤦🏾♂️
@Clarks-Adventure2 күн бұрын
I'm looking forward to watching your version
@wilfriedhafner65512 күн бұрын
Hi Clark, i love your reviews, thank you for doing them. What I am curious to know about this specific model is, if the internal BMS would shut down at zero degrees Celsius and protect it to get destroyed when frozen.
@Clarks-Adventure2 күн бұрын
Nope Unless it expressly says cold protection it isn't. And some of them don't do it right
@expmaster66622 күн бұрын
On Sale for $129 on amazon plus $30 delivery
@patricklyons76833 күн бұрын
You should of had two demonstration rigs, which you show adding the 'bank-manager' device & its Bluetooth or control system. Holding the kit up doesn't do if justice imho
@rogerstarkey53903 күн бұрын
"You can abuse a Lead Acid battery" Errr... NO. If By "Abuse" you mean discharge below 50%, you certainly CAN'T
@Clarks-Adventure2 күн бұрын
Watch the video again. I didn't say that
@justadam19173 күн бұрын
Thank you I love more than this series I love the entire channel You have been a great help to a going to be boat owner
@justadam19173 күн бұрын
Pleased to see that you were serious and still responding to comments. Great-looking idea and I am buying an air conditioned boat tomorrow I will see how the existing system works and if it is not up to speed I know it is marine ACDC and I will look up further on the internet now Best wishes to you and lovely to see a great idea pursued so enthusiastically
@ericshayer3 күн бұрын
What was the output pressure on the air tank?
@Clarks-Adventure3 күн бұрын
About 70 psi I think. It's adjustable
@ericshayer3 күн бұрын
@@Clarks-Adventure I think you can go way below that for surface job
@Clarks-Adventure3 күн бұрын
Yep. Anything under 100psi will work with the second stage regulars
@BillHetzel3 күн бұрын
Sorry Clark - I can't stand hearing that bell. Could you maybe change it to a wave on the beach or something? I really can't watch your videos any more. sorry sorry. and the music is fine because I can skip it, but it's very annoying to hear it every time, too. Good luck and it's a shame because I would otherwise watch them all!
@Clarks-Adventure3 күн бұрын
I'll try to remember to tone it down It was an Emily thing. I'm not in love with it
Hi is this stil available.?not for now but if i sail south
@Clarks-Adventure3 күн бұрын
Yep MarineDCAC.com
@MyLifeThai3713 күн бұрын
Good choice on the title of your channel!
@Clarks-Adventure3 күн бұрын
Thanks
@heavenlyliquid3 күн бұрын
Instead of finding a love interest to share your next adventure, why not take on a First Mate and crew? Your soulmate is probably located in a foreign port so don't restrict yourself to locals.
@Clarks-Adventure3 күн бұрын
I just have such a brain barrier to learning new languages
@tubeuser23503 күн бұрын
Nice video, with the information very well presented (as usual). If I may add on a bit, the "Charge to 80%" thing for electric vehicles is specifically because of the use of NMC (and related) Lithium battery chemistries that really don't like to sit at full charge. They also don't like sitting at low SoC either. "Keep them between 20% and 80%" is the rule for maximum life in most EVs. My own EV is from 2010, and the original LCO-based battery still has 80% of its capacity after nearly 15 years / 62,000 miles on the road; that rule is ingrained in the car's battery management strategy, and it appears to have worked. The LiFePO4 chemistry doesn't suffer from this, so if you buy a car with LiFePO4-based battery cells you can charge them all the way up and drain them down pretty far on a daily basis without worrying about damage. That can substantially make up for the lower energy density of the LiFePO4 cells in the EV environment. So what that means for LiFePO4 batteries in RVs and boats is that we don't need to worry quite so much about battery stress due to high SoC. It's still very important not to overcharge them, as you point out, but bringing them up to a proper 100% and leaving them there should be fine.
@uhjyuff2095Сағат бұрын
Check out the Engineering Explained video on EV battery charging its a great video and talks about the different lithium battery chemistries.
@Clarks-AdventureСағат бұрын
Yep, there is a link to it in the description of this video
@ducatiduke3 күн бұрын
Granted more expensive, but I wonder if it would help to have two systems, albeit connected, to switch back and forth to. That way you could isolate one system to use while the other one gets properly charged
@Clarks-Adventure3 күн бұрын
If you are charging with alternative energy sources you would still need something like the BankManager because the charging amps aren't constant. And drawing power from a big bank is better than from two small banks in sequence. Lower amps per cell
@fixitpro3 күн бұрын
If I wanted to learn about 'lead', I would have watched THAT video..
@Clarks-Adventure3 күн бұрын
Sometimes to explain a complicated subject one must lay ground work first.
@station2473653 күн бұрын
I bought li-time lithium batteries along with their charger. I have always used the charger to top off/full charge the batteries. Is it hurting the batteries 400 ah in series for my van conversion? Do I need to turn off the solar occasionally?
@Clarks-Adventure3 күн бұрын
I'll look later most likely as liTime is currently sending me their newest battery for review. But every other "charger" supplied by battery manufacturers I've seen was just a 14.6v power supply. Arguably the worst thing you could use to finish charging. If it looks a lot like a laptop power supply. It's that kind. They are the cheapest way to put power into a battery so they sell them. Easy profit.
@s.mendez71603 күн бұрын
Take a look at Li-Time's charger profile that supposedly pairs with their LFP Batteries.
@Clarks-Adventure3 күн бұрын
@s.mendez7160 I'll give it a look when I get home.
@Clarks-Adventure3 күн бұрын
If you mean something like this www.litime.com/products/litime-12v-10a-lithium-battery-charger Yeah, it's crap
@station2473652 күн бұрын
@@Clarks-Adventure Yes that's the one I got. Which one do you recommend?
@chuck5713 күн бұрын
Thank you for these wonderful videos!! Quick question, at 12:27 while showing the diagram, it looks like you spliced the red wire from the switch into the red wire connecting the float switch to the pump? In reality, that wire would connect directly to the pump correct?
@Clarks-Adventure3 күн бұрын
It just doesn't matter. The electrons dont care if they have to travel a bit further. And in this case the wire in question is connected to the ends of the lead wire of the pump and the lead wire of the switch. Both of each will be under water.
@chuck5713 күн бұрын
@@Clarks-Adventure TY
@paulpozboater3 күн бұрын
Hi Clark, will the Bank Manger plus take the place of a BMS in a home built battery? Thanks
@Clarks-Adventure3 күн бұрын
No. They do completely different jobs. The BMS job is to keep the cells from destroying themselves The BankManager is more about charging properly and mixing in lead batteries
@vikp61154 күн бұрын
Weird my charges are charging lithium to 14.7 thsn disconnects and it trickles ?
@Clarks-Adventure4 күн бұрын
Ouch.
@o.g.solutions4 күн бұрын
Midnite solar, the kid , charge controller, ,is designed so you can charge all the batteries. It is infinitely controllable and every metric is user adjustable
@PazLeBon4 күн бұрын
The sun dictates the charge rate lol, for most of us buying into it nowadays
@Clarks-Adventure4 күн бұрын
Yep. Charging LiFePO4 would be so much easier if we always had will plugs. But of course if we had wall plugs we likely wouldn't need batteries
@mikeg79244 күн бұрын
Great presentation Clark. I just got an email from Redodo announcing that they have created a 140ah dual purpose battery with ~900 CCA that can start engines. Sounds like a great idea for your next video. Thanks for the great videos.
@Clarks-Adventure4 күн бұрын
LiTime has a battery with the same specs coming out. Bet it's the same. I have one being shipped to me for review
@moonhand83114 күн бұрын
This video, amongst other positive things, shows why LiFePo4 is a nightmare of complexity to you averagage user. This is why 'non specialist' people have to buy black boxes, fit and forget, and not really have a clue about what's going on! One other thing for sure: hybrid (LA mix) is a must for any boater.
@Clarks-Adventure4 күн бұрын
Yep. That's why I developed the BankManager. For LiFePO4 users who wanted to do it right but not necessarily manage them themselves
@honumoorea8734 күн бұрын
This guy is wasting your time....making things more complex then they are. He do not physically understand what is happening, reason he can't put the simple logic of a LiFePo4 into words.into words