Nothing? Really? Jeff’s grand vision for overwatch PVP culminated in bap brig orisa sigma. THOSE heroes embodied the direction he wanted to take ow in up until it’s abandonment. His entire crawl walk run philosophy was what killed the game. His team basically accidentally created a GOTY quality shooter, and instead of supporting it, Jeff decided that he’d rather work on his old failed project than an industry defining masterpiece. It takes a special kind of mishandling to drop GOTY off a cliff in just a couple years

This was before everything was expected to be live service. They planned on providing four years worth of updates and adding heroes before leading to something else. That’s normal. Now everything has to be WoW. Redevelop and iterate on the game for decades as it becomes unrecognizable to what it was. Realize that you will never be able to play Overwatch 1 again. They deleted it. If they will do it to 1, they could do it to 2. What’s next for Overwatch’s future? What if it turns into something you dislike? Not like you can just go back and play OW1.

L take. Yes it could have used more frequent updates, but they should have let Jeff cook instead of screwing with him constantly. Have you ever worked for a money hungry psycho like Bobby Kotick?

I don't see it tbh. How is Kotick's baby the Overwatch League™ doing these days? He killed the pro scene with corporate garbage and flooded the game with microtransactions neither of which anybody asked for. Game doesn't exist without Kaplan's vision, the only thing Kotick did was leech off other people and ruin the esports. Jeff obviously was not perfect particularly for the pvp side of the game but to say history proved you right, uh no, just look at owl and the current state of pro level ow, its flopped exactly as hard as pve did. why did Kotick jump ship if he was doing so well? I don't think either can really be the "root cause of issues" there are so many layers and levels of issues with how the franchise was handled some of which are kaplans fault some of which are koticks, who even cares who's fault it was I just want the game to not be dog shit. but i just don't see what kotick did other than kill the pro scene with owl and flood the game with microtransactions, pay wall heroes behind battle pass etc. The game literally doesn't exist without Jeff so I can't see how he is the root cause of the problems unless you mean "we would not be hearing talking about this cause it literally wouldnt exist without his contributions" and the same could not be said about kotick

@@ironman1458Jeff didn’t want a PvP game - he looted it. Kotick was right the game should be split in development - Jeff starved OW1. All it was. OWL failed due in large part to not having enough development and that was Jeff’s fault not Koticks. Btw Kotick greenlit OW after Titans failure by Jeff. Between Titan and OW, Jeff literally blew 15 years of development - how can you not see this?

@@ironman1458 ​​⁠​⁠​⁠Kaplan’s vision was NOT ow1. Kaplan’s vision was project titan II (which ended up coming true in a different way than expected). Ow1 was a total accident that kaplan’s team never managed to understand. Ow1 and owl suffered from the same cancer: terrible handling of exceptional ideas. While we don’t know exactly what would’ve happened, it’s obvious that the path to profitability would’ve been much easier if the game managed to retain the interest it had going into 2018. And what happened to that interest? It got killed and had its grave pissed on by the divine Jeff Kaplan and his team. This “grand vision” of Jeff’s, beyond the accidental conception of ow1, consisted of unfathomably slow and inconsequential content, degenerate heroes like orisa, Brigitte, Baptiste, and sigma. THOSE decisions killed ow1. And while the monetization model of owl was already questionable, there’s no doubt that the rapid decline of the ow ip after 2018 played a massive role in its dramatic falloff

@@fractalelf7760 Well yes but the development not being split is not the only problem with the franchise so I don't think it makes sense to blame the entire failure of the franchise on Kaplan for that one aspect. Kaplan wanted to recreate titan, Kotick wanted a corporate esports scene and overwatch to become another CoD, they both failed miserably. I don't think either philosophy is the "root of the issues" it seems the problem are more so they were aiming for different goals and ended up failing on both fronts because their philosophies often clashed. I agree in hindsight they needed a separate team to work on PvP for overwatch 1 while jeff and the ow1 team focused on pve, I just don't see that as the "root issues" of the game cause there's so many other aspects which are entirely koticks fault like overwatch league/killing the pro scene and the monetization which nobody likes. I do agree with they needed to split development and Jeff was mistaken to pushback against this, I just don't see that as the "root issue" with the game I don't even know what you would call the root issues of the game when its one of the most hated franchises of all time on so many different levels and directions. Its not cause they didnt split development, theres a lot of reasons for the reception the game has and both kotick and kaplan as well as other community leaders played a part in it, I'm just not seeing how Kaplan is the root cause of the issues with the game because of that one bad decision, in my opinion its hundreds of bad decisions from so many different people that got us here not one bad decision from kaplan that caused all of the problems of the franchise. And it doesn't make sense to me to blame Kaplan because his grand vision for the game is literally on of the only things that got a lot of people who gave up on the game to give it another try. It wasn't owl that did it, it wasn't the microtrasnactions, it wasn't the battle pass, it was jeff's vision for pve, for a "redefined sequel" that got people to actually consider the game again, so I just can't understand how he is the root cause of the issues cause the only reason a lot of people even started to think about overwatch again was because of that vision. Yes they executed horribly, some of that is jeff's bad deicsion, to say he is the root cause of the issues of the franchise, I just don't see it, I don't think any one person can be to blame for the current state of the franchise its hundreds of bad decisions over years that got us here

@@ironman1458Jeff made the critical decisions to keep the team small, and he made the call to starve OW even when Kotick offered resources… that’s on Jeff. OWL is irrelevant- literally the PVP game did not suffer from it, it benefited. Had OwL not existed Team Four under Kaplan would not have done ANY work on OW1… Jeff is the core issue as he made all these unprofessional decisions. Dude had no business background - he got hired on old boy connections. He stalled revisions to the game, he plundered OW1 for OW2…

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@realthlive7124 oki 😊 I felt it got a lot better in the second half, haven't read the description, whoopsie

But you dont need to be full health to contest. You can still be 200hp, the same as before, because the damage numbers are the same. You might get hit more consistently because of the projectile/hitscan size changes but the damage numbers are the same. or at least they were at the time, not so much now lol If you take a 140-180dmg headshot and you duck for cover at 200hp it's also the threshold if you're at 250hp because another solid hit could take that remaining hp regardless of having that extra 50hp. But with 250hp those few stray shots you may have taken, before or after the big damage, make it so that the 140-180 doesn't effectively kill you outright before you can take cover, which is what the extra hp solves. It takes exactly the same amount of time for you to be healed back up to full because you took the same amount of damage. You can even still pop out of cover at 200hp to contest with a 250hp max and in fact you're about to start regenning health by yourself so you might not need those extra resources.

@@Octovol You don't need to be full health to contest, but the possibility of being Full Health in this game is significantly more uncommon, given the increased demand on Supports to provide even more healing in addition to their other responsibilities + Individual Impact, which wants players of all Roles to go looking for their PotG moments. That doesn't include being a healer at all times, in fact that's detrimental in 5v5. Nevermind that Tank Health Pools are so high now that it would take a single Support like Ana, how many shots just to get a Rein or Winston back into their Armour Health? Not even full health, just the Armour to improve their independence. The underlying point behind all this is that, the Health changes necessitated a much more mutable form of balance by the numbers; as you stated, the damage numbers have not remained the same. Nor have healing. All the numbers are now adjustable which means any adjustments in the Health state properly necessitated further adjustments to both Healing and Damage output as well. Season 9 designed a space in which the developers are going to be constantly changing small numbers everywhere-- effectively demanding even more Patches/Hotfixes than before as players discover the new frustrations each previous number shifts are creating. The projectile changes were genuinely, the only good decision made. Everything else just made more work for them on patching, more cognitive demand from an already tired playerbase, and less consistency in the gameplay overall that players or devs could latch onto and build an experience off of.

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