I Miss Sombra...

[@youknowWho41011]

This newest "rework" is only to make Sombra terrible to play so Widowmaker can exist in a game for more than 30 seconds without being harassed in order to sell more copies of her mythic skin. I would not be surprised if Sombra received another "rework" next season, unless another easily dive-able character gets the next mythic skin.

[@Ontarianmm]

Honestly, this rework you do the same by moving her strength way from assassination in general and more utility play.

[@emiyaann4688]

Then why did they rework maps where widow is dominant?

[@aidanibarra3957]

I see your point but jokes on you, I'm collecting all the mythics anyway lol

[@TheBigdan217]

That's the corniest excuse ever, get good

[@fractalelf7760]

@@youknowWho41011 Sadly, I think you’re right.

[@MikhailSaakyan]

its crazy to me that when blizzard changed old translocator to the "only throw" one, they didnt first consider just caping the range from which you can tp, to say, 35 meters, like a certain other character, or maybe even shorter. its so upsetting watching them go nuclear on characters, wasting a bunch of time on assets for useless reworks, before trying to balance whats alredy in the game

[@Ontarianmm]

This would also prevent noobs from sandbagging their team since they could translocate 20 miles back to spawn.

[@ni9274]

wouldn't change anything, she would still be an EMP farm character

[@bambampewpew32]

"go nuclear on characters" dps doom 😢

[@samhan5151]

"I basically mained sombra for about a year, i did sombra/hanzo back when scattershot was around". Oh boy.

[@actually-Fr3sa]

2:40 and 9:12 it wasn't perma-invis specifically it was just the sharpness of her kit like you said. I was constantly dying to Sombras who are the same rank as me since (imo) her presence is not obvious enough for the amount of power she wields. I think if Blizzard made her more telegraphed she would just become Reaper so I prefer the ideas that you mention. She's too sharp and that's the part that feels un-fun. It's sort of the same thing Samito says about giving Widow a sniper glint or something so she doesn't randomly dumpster somebody. Also in low ranks people just copy whatever their favorite streamer says the "meta" is, so everyone stopped playing her.

[@zuzie-zuzu]

I was a day-1 sombra main when she released until I dropped the game for years until now and she’s just nowhere close to the character I fell in love with. It’s really unfortunate to feel this dissonance for a character that I resonated with a lot for her playstyle

[@fractalelf7760]

I get the hate for her but this rework is an insult.

[@sparquisdesade]

Honestly this rework should be a wakeup call to everyone else, you might not like SOmbra, but if they can do this to her, they can do it to your main too.

[@fractalelf7760]

@@sparquisdesade Well put, destroying kits because of “popularity” is vile.

[@Ccscenario]

hide yo kids, hide yo wife and hide your main hero😂

[@ImaTroper]

​@@sparquisdesadeThey've already done it to my mains. That's why I'm laughing that it finally happened sombra too. Welcome to the club scrub.

[@sparquisdesade]

@@ImaTroper Naw, not really. I already saw the writing on the wall an left for a better game. Lol at you for sttill playing OW tho.

[@JustinSprayberry-ik1zs]

Sombra can be annoying but I fucking hate widowmaker

[@essurio]

I am once again asking for Blizzard to make Sombra the support she deserves to be.

[@yeetadog]

realth's rework does that

[@professoradonis8246]

Ur content just get my blood rushing bro

[@ronald6563]

it's because hes so cute

[@Vergilcore]

The only abilities left now is virus and emp now Sombra is just Bruh

[@jefftist9625]

Shouldn't hacking tanks take longer than for DPS if you think hack has a greater impact on tanks than dps?

[@Ontarianmm]

Maybe but hacking a tank is always more risky since you are showing your beam to the front line and giving away your position.

[@yeetadog]

5:25 yeah blizzard in their reddit AMA some months back brought permastealth up as THE NUMBER 1 most difficult thing to balance in the entire game

[@miwky406]

Bandaids, for bandaids, for bandaids, for bandaids..

[@Ontarianmm]

What get me is there was a way to work her to make her healthier, i even posted one on another video. But that isn't what they did, nor honestly do I think that is what people want. Edit: I love that you use front loading like I do. I will say that, this is a shooter game, so aim will always be a factor in a character especially a dps. So as much as I love this. I do not think that could ever happen. Utility Sombra is forever dead and would never be able to come back unless the game was 6v6. 2.5 second on a support or a flanker is a long ass time. Would it be balanced and fair, probably. Would people cry tears of blood because they can't fly, recall, lamp/burst heal, defect, etc. for 2.5 second which if timed correctly get them killed. Absolutely. My reasoning for putting hack and virus together it so that it wouldn't feel like it is just a free silence on the enemy and Sombra had to have some mechanical skill. Having Virus do little or no damage would be fine, but having hack on what is basically a mercy beam just leads to people hating it. Stealth on a resource is the way to go for sure. And having her damage be more in her gun and more ranged is great. But you have to realize that without a bodyguard offtank, hack as an auto-aim ability will feel too cheap.

[@FunniestFern]

Give hog a sombra skin

[@WaffleKrushaTTV]

I've missed OW1 Sombra for so long. I legit felt like I was one of the few Sombra players lol.

[@tamooz6649]

My fav version was perm translocator but i didnt need perm invis, the version with perm invis was good dont get me wrong but it was never a requirement

[@eddieryan7246]

I dont miss sombra but they did absolutely gut her a bit hard. I can't lie though my games have been fun now that she has been sent to the farm

[@MofoMan2000]

"I will now rant about Sombra in Season 13 for 30 minutes"

[@realthlive7124]

@@MofoMan2000 gotta diversify my title portfolio

[@morganablackheart7787]

I did think Sombra needed a rework she does not need perma stealth but this patch did way to much. The problem with Sombra wasn't her counter Widow. As a Widow main she's not that annoying to deal with. The problem with Sombra is she does way too much to tanks she make some of them unplayable like ball and doom. The problem with Sombra was with perma stealth she can sit in the backline AFK and wait for the tank to do something hack them and they get deleted. Saying all that I don't want Sombra to go away or anything I would go into more detail but this is long enough.

[@professoradonis8246]

Cant wait to watch this naked thank you

[@WaffleKrushaTTV]

😂😂

[@baer5137]

hopfully 6v6 can help her

[@professoradonis8246]

yea you summarized this perfect i found most success lurking taking angles near my tank

[@katakunalutakuchimirikushi2271]

Remember I belive sombrero was meant to be the spy from tf2 more or less why is stealth and interrupt the hardest to balance

[@goddessvalkyrie]

I actually made a thread about her 8 days ago on Reddit and people did not like it but I basically tried to suggest changes within the confines of what they already gave her. I think sombra now suffers of the same thing hog does. They'll never be able to balance her because the idiots who play the character to abuse low lobbies on their alts are the majority of the modern player base of the character.

[@Ontarianmm]

Also I want to see tou and Spilo actually sit down and debate some of these things like Sombra and 6v6. That would be funny.

[@SunderMun]

Honestly it's crazy that I'm finally hearing someone say exactly the same thing I've been thinking and saying for years. I've been saying I want this Sombra back for years. Issue is that they had to remove it in 5v5 due to there being only one tank per team. Infinite invis was a move in the wrong direction for me and OW2 was a massive move toward the assassin playstyle and it was obvious just how unhealthy it would be. I hate it. I miss the Sombra with complex and smart interaction and lots of options so badly. 5v5 and new dev team's obsession with catering to casuals removed her from the game a long time ago. -Frontloading damage from hack is always bad. -She's also too fragile. -Why can't opportunist just be a buff when fighting low HP targets? it fits the character and passive idea rather than flat damage increase on hack; it doesn't need to be as high on low targets either. -Hack lockout could easily go to 1.5 s on tanks and 3 s on squishies. Lockout should be longer for EMP given the risk-reward ratio of using it.

[@RandomGamerCory]

I miss hog and bastion

[@revenge3265]

I don't

[@Hot_SpicyGrill]

I like idea of things like hacking health packs and sabotage.

[@ddd8828]

God dammit, KZbin ate my comment, so this will come out more curt than version one, sorry. You make some great points. Lurking is swingy, uninteractive, warps the game, and isn't fun. Making decisions is good, hacking tied to damage is not good. I like your a lot of your proposals. But it really rubs me the wrong way that you continually complain that you miss the version of Sombra that was mechanically easier, you miss the times when you could output disproportionate amounts of value relative to your skill, and you want the GAME to change to suit your lack of skill rather than allocating some measure of blame to yourself for not being good enough and trying to improve. Mechanical skill being rewarded is good. One of Overwatch's biggest flaws is that characters that take no mechanical skill like Mercy and Brigitte (historically) are able to not only match, but eclipse the value that characters that take actual effort do. So when you say that Virus should be removed because it lowers TTK too much and makes ambushing (a strat that is disproportionately good against bad players, is uninteractive, etc) too strong, I think that's a valid point. But then you say that it should be removed because you want to make the game easier, I think...I mean, I don't want to be rude, but you're a self-proclaimed mechanically challenged player. You want to win, you want to kill people, and you want to do it without putting in the time to learn to aim. I don't think you're entitled to that in a PVP game. Making people lose, killing people, it makes them feel bad. You earn the joy of ruining other peoples' fun by being better than them. Without that, you are no longer playing an FPS, you're just playing a MOBA. Decoupling hack from damage is a good idea. Once you do that, I don't think you need to delete Virus to fix Sombra's TTK. You could make it a ramping DoT that starts slow, it could even have a startup period where it does no damage at all. You could lose some of the DoT but make it a healing debuff. That way, it's still outputting work, but it can't be used to instantly kill people. You could counter by saying that that's too many abilities to fit if you're also decoupling translocator and stealth, but you could just put something on the Mercy Pistol slot. I think that a DoT is important for Sombra. It allows her to take away space from an enemy, but because it's delayed, she can take away space WHILE she's off on a sidequest and not supporting her team with the threat of her gun. It means it's less frustrating to be in a team fight and down a man because your Sombra is off on an adventure. And obviously because rewarding mechanical skill is good, and it is possible to reward mechanical skill while still minimizing swingy, crutchy mechanics.

[@bleachedpenguin6131]

Complaining about having to aim in a first person shooter is crazy.

[@Rban134]

So make Winston take aim but have more damage (obviously don't do this)

[@bleachedpenguin6131]

@@Rban134 idk if you’re stuck in Overwatch 1 or something but they gave Winston a skill shot which is exactly what he’s complaining about them doing to sombra.

[@MrSpitfire2008]

Don't complain when widows start popping up everywhere uncontested, since the only hard counter to her got gutted. Sombra may be annoying but doesn't hold lobbies hostage like widows. She was a necessary evil to keep the greater evil in check.

[@fractalelf7760]

New players seem to want no challenges, so increasingly we see novel mechanics like Hack, Freeze, etc. just watered down. We’ve always had the “it’s not fun to play against” group which whines vociferously while refusing to learn to position or think about things. Hence too why Widowmaker can’t one-shot beyond 40m, Hanzo lost one-shot entirely for a time. Ridiculous. The previous version of Sombra from this one was a Geoff Goodman special… he also made launch Brig…. Need I say more.

[@isaacargesmith8217]

I mean a game having a bunch of stuff that people hate playing against is a bad thing. Just like playing tank, people ain't gonna play if it wasn't fun even if you out skilled them and/or won. It's part of why characters like Sombra and hog are nightmares to balance. Its called a "game" for a reason, not "a job". If it ain't fun then it's fundamentally failed at this. Even if a character like orisa had a high skill ceiling, I'm not stickin around to find out. I got much more fun games with equally high skill ceilings to deal with. Goats was also high skill ceiling and pretty nicely and unique to overwatch. Goat's damage has also done irreparable damage to the game.

[@Odyssey-tr8mt]

Except Sombra isn't a "challenge" for the playerbase and it's not just the new players who dislike her. Sombra is fundamentally an anti fun, anti. Competitive hero. People like to play the game and be outplayed, not have people cheese invisible and hack all their abilities away.

[@fractalelf7760]

@@Odyssey-tr8mt You sir clearly fall into the camp I am describing. Thank you for proving my point!

[@Odyssey-tr8mt]

I find it ironic you talk about other players not "knowing how to position properly or think about things" when you play Sombra and can have had any position you like using zero brainpower

[@Odyssey-tr8mt]

PS: Even people positioned well, and near team have been dying to Sombra all ow2 especially in low ranks. It's not a reflection of the players, it was/is very poor hero design made to give losing DPS a chance back in the game. Every game EVERY game when a team starts losing they go somvra- that says it all.

[@Highvalue365]

Only reason people liked Sombra was because they would always sneak up on the enemy and laser them, even if they didn't, it would be enough distraction for a win. Every dps would switch when they were losing because of how broken Sombra was when played right. Braindead normie talk, "it takes skill at higher level, true but if you played the character right with communication, your chances of winning dramatically increases

[@Mikuroko69]

They could've simply stopped the "sneaking up and lazering an enemy" by removing perma stealth. Problem is, they did that while also binding it to translocator. Essentially making her a sombra76 but weaker because she has an smg that does very little dmg at mid range. If they just took out perma stealth and made it a normal ability, it would've stopped the "lazering" problem that every non sombra player complains about while still allowing her to be able to be a flanking character. Why didn't they do that? Simple, its because her rework was making invis a passive and reverting it would mean that the rework didn't do anything and blizzard hates to admit they're wrong. Also... If you play ANY character right with communication, your chances of winning dramatically increases. That's why sombra isn't considered good because other characters are simply better and are even better with communication.

[@burtonthegrape9217]

Sombra getting a nerf is because Widow got a mythic and because she was the easiest character to get cheap wins, you can't use that Sombra and say you are good at the game, she was the easy win over powered cheese character people would use when they were losing. People need to get over it already, you can't get your easy wins and convince yourself you're good. She was always unfair and the fact that people are complaining is crazy, they'd rather have a clearly unfair and broken character in the game then have a game thats actually balanced and fair for everyone.

[@avez]

zero reason to play widow when youre getting bursted from behind with no counter play or chance of out smarting/playing ur opponent. sombra has always felt like a jumbled up, unfinished puzzle that gets scrambled even more randomly everytime. all you have to do is promote healthy interactions and demote cancerous backline activities

[@Levi_LS]

lmao you never played sombra

[@aleckss7749]

I loved her too…

[@JackosGame]

What's the BGM at 5:00?

[@samhan5151]

I think its "Its Raining somewhere else" from the undertale soundtrack

[@avez]

zero reason to play widow when youre getting bursted from behind with no counter play or chance of out smarting/playing ur opponent. sombra has always felt like a jumbled up, unfinished puzzle that gets scrambled even more randomly everytime. all you have to do is promote healthy interactions and demote cancerous backline activities. this goes beyond widowmaker... think of the squishies who get hacked and dont get peeled in time... think of the frustration of getting spawn camped... dude that is the type of stuff that you seen in old COD... this is overwatch. have some class

[@butterzzz13]

What can the effect of hack be changed to, if we were to make hack something that could be used frontline? What if hack could not be interrupted by being shot, but could be interrupted by hard CC (Sig rock, shatter, javelin, sleep, etc)... but it didn't silence abilities, it didn't grant damage buff, it didn't apply a healing debuff. What could hack's ability be? I know they've done some testing with it to be used on teammates instead of enemies and it was meh as far as I remember.

[@Ontarianmm]

Basically mirrorwatvh Sombra

[@butterzzz13]

@@Ontarianmm Honestly couldn't remember where it was from, and didn't want to look it up. But the point being whatever it was, not that. Something in the same vein or so, but just different lol.

[@AtvrisLantern]

I dont

[@SocialDesignFlaw]

Sombra was designed to attract particular players, similar to Mercy, Genji, and Reinhardt. A story/lore driven hero with very unique, even niche, values that celebrated Overwatch's bombast and cultural presence in gaming- And was absolutely unique: less aim, more setup, lots of decision-making, but, as Realth says, 'simple' execution-- unfortunately, that all revolved around a broken mechanic with a brilliant application. Hack being 6 seconds was...an atrocity. Hack locking out abilities is also, an atrocity. Tanks being affected by the lock-out of Hack are always going to feel bad, regardless of the duration b/c Tank abilities have long wind ups and durations by design; if a Tank gets close, you have to give other heroes a chance to avoid, dodge, or escape. That's part of the design structure of the Role. Sigma Rock, Dva Boosters, Rein Anything, Doomfist anything-- Lockout abilities are bad design when they can directly shutdown a core component of Tank design. They either have to invent lockouts for the lockouts (Unstoppable for Mauga's overrun), start giving Tanks instant response applications (Orisa Javelin, Ramm Nemesis/block, Mauga Cardiac), or start throwing in weird passives with numerous exceptions that make the game incredibly inconsistent. There were a lot more options for what to do with Hack in OW1 that could have been attempted but everyone should note? She was designed with a lot more Lore/Narrative in mind (the whole ARG was a testament to that), arguably the first hero who leaned so hard into her story/narrative, that the Dev team might have gone a bit too far in that philosophy during her design and not thought her through entirely. I'm of the mind Sombra should never have been a DPS because, the style of play that Realth and others have mentioned made her interesting? The strategic decision-making, tipping fights into your team's favour? Is way more suited to the modifying nature of a backline hero. Sombra's Support elements could easily be re-purposed into a full Support build (further evening out the number disparity between Roles), but much like Mercy/Reinhardt/Genji, the thought of making any significant changes is terrifying to a lot of players. The difference is that heroes like Sombra (and Roadhog/Bastion/Sym) were never fully functional in the game. Operational? Yes. But not functional. Which is why they have/and keep getting changes.

[@PHDpulls]

Hate her

[@bleachedpenguin6131]

Sombra was never a fair character. You’re just like those whiny babies you hate.

[@LemoneToaster]

Womp womp

[@pphaver871]

ARE YOU A FORMER GAME DESIGNER RELF. WHERE DID YOU AQUIRE SUCH EXCELLENT MODES OF ANALYSIS. ANSWER ME Your content has been very informative, and I’d like to know

[@RYshinanigansAN]

As a support main I gotta be honest....these Sombra tears are soooo satisfying 😌 👌

[@AudioVisualAids-i3p]

i hate sombra and i think this rework is just better for everyone

[@uriahthegreat5004]

No you don't.

[@noname-vw5qw]

Good she should be bad, they should rework her again to make her even worse. There is a set of characters in this game that make it horrible to play if they are on the other team and sombra is one of them. The only way to fix this game is dumpster these characters.

[@essurio]

I hope your main(s) gets reworked into unusability.

[@noname-vw5qw]

@@essurio if my main was making the game cancer i would hope they would get nerfed.

[@魚-c3d]

Someone is tilted and irrational

[@liundeirkil8706]

Didn't watch the video. Your takes suck. Relf killed my grandma so don't watch this guy >:(

[@realthlive7124]

@@liundeirkil8706 keep your mouth shut or your pets are next

[@deadpaul6587]

Bro ur so nostalgia washed Holy shit

[@essurio]

Or maybe he just played the game before it went f2p. lol

[@deadpaul6587]

@@essurio yeah and thinks everything was better because nostalgia is taking over his peanut sized brain. Like of all the characters he rly picked sombra? Thats like saying I miss the old brig. who in their right mind

[@Youstink685]

As a rein and DPS doom main, i feel your pain. Doom will never be the same, ruined.