Good stuff. Intrigued by the mix of scales and periods. That must create some challenges of it's own, especially in relation to terrain.
@ZenMiniPaintingАй бұрын
Indeed. However, I realized early on that sticking to a single scale just wouldn't work for me. In terms of terrain, I treat it "elastically". So for 28mm I tend to try to be close, since generally I am skirmishing, but if a game is rank and flank I tend to abstract and downscale a tad. At the smaller scales, the buildings are generally abstractions for villages or hamlets, so I tend to minimize on scale there. Haven't done a tonne of small scale terrain as of yet, but my plan is to use mainly 6/10mm stuff.
@RalphAstleyАй бұрын
I'll be looking out for you at Warfare.
@ZenMiniPaintingАй бұрын
And I will be looking out for you too. Hopefully I won't be a total zombie.
@philRminiaturesАй бұрын
Excellent work, I do like the Hastati and the Norman infantry...
@Corvinuswargaming1444Ай бұрын
Those Old Glory ancients look good. Its nice that the ancient period has a lot of options for manufacturers and scales
@ZenMiniPaintingАй бұрын
I was pleasantly surprised with the OG15s. The Velites are a bit hit and miss, there are some lumpy bits that have no real definition, but the Hastati and Principes look good.
@mitchsminisАй бұрын
The Buc-ees tshirt is amazing 😂 have fun on your trip!
@thekrausecollection15mmmin53Ай бұрын
Have you tried the rules “men who would be kings” ? Would that work for the Boar War? Ralph plays these as well. I have never tried them.
@ZenMiniPaintingАй бұрын
I bought a hard copy of the rules before leaving the UK, and they seem to have gone missing in the move between California and Washington. I like the Rampant engine games, but I find the rules a tad generic for my tastes. I will give them a go though.
@thekrausecollection15mmmin53Ай бұрын
They are for me as well. But at least a core mechanic
@thekrausecollection15mmmin53Ай бұрын
Jou geskilderde figuur om die Boereoorlog uit te beeld is uitstekend. ek het eintlik daaraan gedink om 'n skermutselingspeletjie te doen.
@ZenMiniPaintingАй бұрын
Hahaha, you know, that isn't half bad for what I assume is a Google Translate effort. The choice of "geskilderde" is hilarious inappropriate, since that words means "painted" in the sense of a fine art painting, whereas the more mundane adjective "geverfde" is more in line with the tone. Afrikaans is interesting like this. We have 3 different words for "die" which apply depending on the subject doing the dying. sneuwel - military death (Sort of like "The soldier fell fighting for his country") sterf - Like the German "stirb", the general term for death. vrek - Only applies to animals, and can thus be used as an insult when applied to people.
@thekrausecollection15mmmin53Ай бұрын
I went to school in the Netherlands from many years and speak Dutch and German because I live in Germany half the year. My friends are from South Africa. And in fact, my very best friend is from Pretoria. My mother lived many years about seven in Liz Soto. So I can’t say that I’m very good in Afrikaans but I try. I’m still learning.
@thekrausecollection15mmmin53Ай бұрын
Okay! I realize you might not answer. I’ll just get a little touch on the heart button but think about this. We are as Wargamers are so caught up on figures being on individual stands that we can’t seem to think any differently. I think about WRG, DBA and how it is affected the entire, wargaming of biblical, ancients, medieval all the way up until the Marlburian Age of gaming. Everything has to be on a 40 mm frontage and heavies on 15 mm depth, lights on 20 mm depth and cavalry on 30 mm depth. So many figures per stand so many stands per unit and done. It wasn’t until a new set came out called Impetus that busted that convention. It stated that units have up to this point in predominantly created on a 80 mm frontage. Who cares about the depth everything then from that point on could be based on a diorama. You moved blocks of troops around the battlefield. Actually, it was brilliant. If you say that Russians never went to line and fought in large attack columns then, why don’t you base them up into two very large blocks For that matter one large block create a diorama and that way your flag is in the center. It’s very attractive. Many of my armies are based on much larger stand, and I move those around the battlefield and everything‘s on a diorama. Very seldom do my troops because of the size of my table have to go from column to column to line, etc., etc., what I’m saying is just build your troops onto movement trays that make you happy and center your flag. In the 1960s and 70s everybody thought you had to base your figures on individual stands and everybody was moving around 500 individual figures across the table. It took forever and it was actually frankly stupid.
@thekrausecollection15mmmin53Ай бұрын
Btw. The Russians look very nice. Loved the video!
@ZenMiniPaintingАй бұрын
Yes, I saw some pictures of old games of "Charge" from way back, and seeing these massive plates with hordes of individually mounted figures on them make me wince. The thing with basing for me is a desire to provide some flexibility. A 60x60 base with 6 figures can still be used in a smaller action, and enormous 120x60 or 120x120 bases become problematic when a battalion is supposed to occupy a town or an emplacement. Again, I agonize over these things and of course, in real terms, it matters very, very little. Painted is better than unpainted. Based (any way) is better than not. Still, food for thought.
@thekrausecollection15mmmin53Ай бұрын
@@ZenMiniPainting I think you and I are so damn similar. I see you agonizing over the exact same things I do. That’s why I based everything on 40 by 40s with eight figures that way I could form battalion and mass or columns if needed to and they occupy built-up areas. I just mounded everything I had during the age of rifles on 40 by 40s except for those armies that I use for in deepest darkest Africa, which are on one by ones. By the way, I love your videos listening to you. You’re highly entertaining for me and I really feel like I’m a part of your life.
@Corvinuswargaming1444Ай бұрын
Rules for the US conflicts against the Plains Indians might work for the Second Boer War, a lot of the indigenous nations were using modern firearms and horses. I also agree that Black Powder is really pushing it for the end of the 19th century. The Philippine-American War comes to mind as another one that would struggle with Black Powder: both sides, US and Filipino, carried bolt-action rifles and used fire and movement tactics. It also doesn't quite fit the "colonial" mold. Maybe there is another set of rules out there that fits that turn-of-the-century period.
@ZenMiniPaintingАй бұрын
This is a really good idea.Thank you. The issue is finding a good set of Plains War rules. I know Ralph Astley has been struggling with that.
@philRminiaturesАй бұрын
Wonderful work, I do like your splendid Greeks!
@thekrausecollection15mmmin53Ай бұрын
Oh my dear friend, organization is always the difficult part for us Wargamers. It looks like you’ve got things on the way I invested in proper shelving. I had exactly the same as you did and it frankly pissed me off.🥴🥴 I think everybody in North America has that same damn shelving. But I also got some proper boxes and organizational tubs, etc. that really helped me. It’s nice to see your place. Makes us feel a little bit connected to you as a person.
@ZenMiniPaintingАй бұрын
Yes, always fun to have a nose around people's games rooms :) I know where everything is. The problem is that the storage solutions I have aren't ideal. So, lots to do to correct that. Found some "Really Useful Boxes" at Hobby Lobby the other day, which match my ones from the UK, so that is a win, however slight. They stack nicely.
@basicminiaturepaintingАй бұрын
It's gonna be great when finished
@Corvinuswargaming1444Ай бұрын
the problem of the hyper monetization of the wargaming creator space on KZbin also is that it creates unrealistic expectations for a lot of viewers. So for those of us who are a guy with a phone just sharing what we find interesting you can get those rude comments about video production. If a person has a professional or semi-professional studio where they are shooting their videos they are creating a commercial program. They are free to do that but it does create distorted perceptions of the hobby on KZbin. I also think it can give the impression to people that want to join the hobby that it looks like a highly polished video program, when most of the time is just sitting at our painting desks working away
@Corvinuswargaming1444Ай бұрын
Looks like you have a lot of room to work with, which is great.
@ZenMiniPaintingАй бұрын
I am very lucky to have this basement space. The only issue is that I share the space with my wife, and she doesn't seem to understand how essential a permanent gaming table is.
@Corvinuswargaming1444Ай бұрын
@@ZenMiniPainting not having some kind of permanent gaming table really does slow down even solo gaming. At my current place because of just having the dining table and my cat roaming I can’t really keep stuff set up if I want to. Its a big help to have a dedicated gaming table or room
@ZenMiniPaintingАй бұрын
@@Corvinuswargaming1444 Hahaha, the "wargaming assistant" grazing on your figures, that is a sight to see. I've never known a cat to do that.
@Corvinuswargaming1444Ай бұрын
@@ZenMiniPainting he is quite fascinated by the miniatures 😂😂
@Dmitriy_8791Ай бұрын
Кельтские воины не были регулярной армией и атаковали в рассыпном строю. Римские легионеры, наоборот, побеждали за счёт дисциплины, а не диких набегов и криков. Значит, разумно, что на базе будет меньше кельтов и больше римлян, возможно в игре кельтам надо выделить какой-то бонус: храбрость, берсерк или вторая атака...
@ZenMiniPaintingАй бұрын
Thoughtful comment, and I don't disagree on the looser formation. The issue is just the silly poses that seem overly cartoonish and unserious to me, oh, and that the figures struggle to base up together.
@burroc5536Ай бұрын
Meh I think all the same models look extremely boring without some variation. But hey it’s whatever makes you happy with your hobby. Thanks for the look at those kits.
@thekrausecollection15mmmin53Ай бұрын
Davvid, as you well know, I’m not much of a skirmish player😂 I much rather build to feel like I have real armies on the table. I think Ralph is right you start off with the skirmish game get a field forward and build from there, but I can tell you if you look at my imperial army and my Swedish army that I enjoy large presentations. I loved the Armati rule set. I have his expansion covering the Renaissance but seeing a more in depth version would be very interesting. I play pike and shotte with some house adaptations to reflect MY own perspective of the 30 years war. My shorts is more integrated to the unit. It’s not separate. But I love playing 30 years war. It’s a change in warfare and rock, paper and scissors but to be honest, it’s even more than that if you based the rules on the constraints of the imperial armies versus the opportunities of the Gustaf Adolphus version, you can have a really very interesting game that really requires much more thought and approach to the battle and then just mainly lining things up and seeing who can smash each other with better die rolls. I find this period fascinating and at the same time deadly. Bad blood, religious heretics and national passions all boiling on the battlefield
@dw5723Ай бұрын
I agree with you when you say that the small round multibases look similar to a group of reenactors coming together, it doesn't give you this sense of an overwhelming formidable force gathered together. I also share an interest in doing 30YW but also like you I've found it quite difficult to find people with a shared interest. I have only heard good things about Osprey's systems like Lion's Rampant and The Men Who Would Be Kings so if you went with Pikemen's Lament you would most likely be marrying a good ruleset at least.
@ZenMiniPaintingАй бұрын
I think I am coming to terms with the idea of getting these 28mm figures based up for Pikeman's Lament, and then "doing it properly" with 15mm or 10mm at a later date. I may have to concede and adopt the Sharpe aesthetic in this case.
@totalburnout5424Ай бұрын
Yes, it is also the curse of having accumulated too much knowledge. I would never have noticed it in Crimea, but I had the same experience in Napoleonics. Browsing through old magazines can be relaxing... and motivating. ☺️
@ZenMiniPaintingАй бұрын
100% motivation.
@Corvinuswargaming1444Ай бұрын
That Imperial infantry regiment is a big pain to glue together. The metal accessories especially the musket rests are frustrating especially if you’re trying to build a large army
@ZenMiniPaintingАй бұрын
I’m honestly not sure that I’ll do a large rank & flank army in 28mm. The more I think about it, the more I think I might just go for the 3,2,1 round basing system championed by Pikeman’s Lament. I think Khurasan’s 15mm offerings are far nicer, and the effect of Tercios and massed Pike & Shotte would likely look way better in the smaller scale.
@Corvinuswargaming1444Ай бұрын
@@ZenMiniPainting I agree with making the units look more impressive which is why I switched to 15mm for the most part. As for rules I like Pikeman’s Lament. You don’t need a lot of units to get a game going, but I prefer to use less pikemen and more musketeers and horses to get that small war feel.
@RalphAstleyАй бұрын
We all go through this. I have never wargamed this period other than a few games of By Fire and Sword (Eastern Renaissance rules) but my own collection of unpainted 17th century minis is way too heavy to lift on its own. Most peoples' plans far exceed their capability to complete and the end goal is so far off that enthusiasm wanes. A solution might be to plan steps towards the final destination, rather like a settler crossing a continent and spending a year or so in a particular area before boarding the wagons again for the next stage of the journey. So aim to play a skirmish game such as Pikeman's Lament to begin with and gradually increase your forces till the point where you can play a larger game either using movement trays or rebasing your figures. That way you can keep the momentum going whilst getting some joy out of the figures. The one downside is rebasing, which I hate doing, but you can moderate this by beginning to base for larger games at the point where you have sufficient figures singly based for a skirmish game. If even Pikeman's Lament is difficult to reach, how about En Garde which requires a small group of figures?
@ZenMiniPaintingАй бұрын
I suspect the problem I am facing here is that I do not know what that final destination is. I don’t think I really want at large 28mm rank & flank TYW army. I’ll probably go for 15/10/6mm for large battle games, if I ever develop the taste for it. I will say that the Rampant engine games, like Pikeman’s Lament, seem quite popular and easy to pick up and teach. We played Xenos Rampant at a club I attend the other day, my first game, and by turn three I had the hang of it. I think if I can throw together a pair of 28mm forces for Pikeman’s Lament, I could use that to encourage some historical wargaming amongst the more sci-fi and fantasy crowd.
@totalburnout5424Ай бұрын
This is really not a nice problem. Hope you could find a work around.
@ZenMiniPaintingАй бұрын
So it seems that the drying time for this paint is very long. I left it for 48 hours, and it appears to be dry and steady. I have however, developed an alternative colour mix just in case.
@TheDiomedef16Ай бұрын
A very nice job on all, the basing has really enhanced the look.
@ZenMiniPaintingАй бұрын
Glad to see you on here, Ian. Hope all is well.
@stevenwoolley2727Ай бұрын
Many thanks for this....Fascinating insight into ww2 uniforms of Greece from the museum. Although I lived in Greece for a year, ww2 Greece didnt rock my boat like it does today...so it was really nice to get back into these museums again through your photos. I have just finished my 550 point Bolt Action Italian army for Greece and on the verge of starting my Greek army. This vid has definitely confirmed the palette I am going to use..Really lovely to see uniforms you cant see anywhere else...Thanks again
@ZenMiniPaintingАй бұрын
Thanks for the kind words Steven. I think that Epirus campaign between Greece and Italy would be perfectly suited to a platoon level game, so your pair of armies would be perfect. Which manufacturer did you use for your Italians?
@stevenwoolley2727Ай бұрын
@@ZenMiniPainting For the Italians I am using Warlord Games cos of the number of head swaps. I have even included an Albanian Blackshirt legion into my army. I hve some resin L3/35 tankettes as well to complete it.....For the Greeks I am using Great Escape Games, which are wonderful models in their own right
@ZenMiniPaintingАй бұрын
@@stevenwoolley2727 I picked up some GEG Greeks a few years ago. Lovely figures.
@howarddavies30112 ай бұрын
Hi David. Really enjoying this series on the Crimean War, despite the fact that I don’t wargame the period. I once had a small Turkish force in 15mm but couldn’t find a decent range for the opponents, so let it go. Really admire the depth of the research in all the clips you’ve posted so far and looking forward to more. Also interested in how the Numidians will shape up. The problem with the paint guide in WI looks to be that Pale Sand, buff and Sand yellow also have different id codes while cloud in the box is the same! Perhaps they faded with the age of the magazine?🤔😉
@RalphAstley2 ай бұрын
I have cupboards full of back issues and must look to see if I have this one - it's about the time I stopped subscribing as I thought magazines were past their golden age. I once saw a painting tutorial for a French Foreign Legionary figure by an acclaimed 'expert' who had the turn backs completely wrong and many newcomers to the hobby would have followed her lead, which reiterates your point. Same with 'historians' on You Tube. I wish there was some way of requiring a person to have credentials before they titled themself 'historian' just as medical doctors are required to train and pass exams and then go on to gain experience. Perhaps a 'historian' can only claim to be so when they have a degree, have published at least one book or paper that has been peer reviewed and also their main source of income is through academic work. There are too many self-appointed experts on You Tube; regardless of how well they know their subject it can still be dangerous to listen to their opinions, just as you take a risk being treated by an unqualified medic.
@howarddavies30112 ай бұрын
Totally agree with you about KZbin historians, Ralph.
@Corvinuswargaming14442 ай бұрын
Thats a nice looking magazine. My local games shop has a bunch of them, I should give it another look
@mitchsminis2 ай бұрын
May 2012, now that’s what I call a back issue 😂
@thekrausecollection15mmmin532 ай бұрын
Well, I’m glad that you have that magazine. I have it as well and enjoy the articles, but it did not influence my painting. I heard all the comments that you mentioned. I would say first and foremost I paint and build armies because it brings me joy and it is my counterbalance to my work. I am not a fantastic painter, I am also not a professional content creator , I am not a learned historian, nor am I a photographer. I do all of these things out of joy. I wish that I was a master at one of these things, but I’m happy with what God has given me. When you get to know me, you’ll know that I am always happy, always joyful and extremely content. I certainly am not one to always believe what I read or what I hear, but I just take it all in and I’m very forgiving. Even forgiving to myself.🥴🥸. For an example right now, I’m working on the American Army of the American Revolution. Some regiments nobody knows and I have no idea what flag they carried, but at the end of the day, I have to make a choice and I just choose a flag. That makes me happy. But I know that some enthusiast Will correct me. I was corrected the other day and one of my videos that the Austrian flag was not in the center of the regiment but on the right and I did it all wrong. I was corrected by another person saying the Russian army never went to skirmish so I should re-base some of my Russian for the crimean war because they never ever did that and he was really nasty. There is a reason why Ralph turned off his comment section. 🤔 Nonetheless, I enjoy your commentary and I listen to it with glee. I wish you lived down the street you and I probably would never come to anything but discussions and having a good cup of coffee. In the end I reach out and give you a hug as a friend and say thank you for all of your wonderful comments and perspectives. You are a good man.
@ZenMiniPainting2 ай бұрын
Well, I don't think I would stand next to someone's nicely painted army, done with love and care, and exclaim, "Actually, the turnbacks are wrong." It is one of those quiet observations that one makes to oneself, and then ignores because a table full of painted toys looks magnificent. However, I think I would be devastated, had I painted an army, to then later find out a minor error like turnbacks had been repeated throughout. So this is more a user error thing on my side. By the way, I disagree on the comment that Russians didn't skirmish. We know that at the Alma, Russians skirmishers occupied the South bank and kept up a brisk fire against the British advance. There is a description of the Russians using the South bank rise as dead ground and popping up to take shots at the British. I think that likely the main difference is that whilst British and French formations typically had skirmishers thrown out front as a screen, the Russian formations did not. Rather, the Russians seem to have detached them and used them independently. Also, I know that there were some Russian Rifle battalions in the Crimea, who I recall reading skirmished rather than fighting formed. In any event, it is your army, and your wargame. I think the historicity of our miniatures and games are sort of like seasoning. Some folks like a heavy period spice that is super granular, others prefer something a little more generic/familiar/abstract. Perhaps we sometimes lose the forest for the trees by forgetting these are just counters on a table after all. I know I am guilty of that with my own work. I know that those sort of rough comments come with the territory, but I think it is easy to ignore them. I always ask myself, if I were stood face-to-face with that person, would they speak to me in that way? Chances are no. People tend to be more civil in person; tone-deaf and obnoxious on the internet.
@Corvinuswargaming14442 ай бұрын
This was a thoughtful video, I have said and thought similar things about the wargaming space on KZbin. I also think that the historical space allows people to engage more genuinely because you can see through people’s projects a little bit about their personality rather than a big Warhammer influencer painting the latest box set that will be forgotten in a matter of weeks or months. I am conflicted about monetizing my videos here, I do not like ads and would not want to have them. I did open a tip jar type link if people want to make a small donation for the research based videos I make, but I don’t like the idea of keeping that kind of material locked behind a Patreon or something. When the Midwinter Miniatures video came out I remember thinking it was rich he was casting aspersions at people for painting and gaming World War II German miniatures. That guy had an affair with his “assistant” and left his wife and two children. I find that to be a lot more distasteful than painting an Iron Cross or German WWII flag on a plastic miniature.
@ZenMiniPainting2 ай бұрын
You know, I watched your video about monetization a few days ago, and I actually have some thoughts on things that you specifically could do to get a few bucks without "ebegging". Maybe I will film it. I also want to be clear, nothing wrong with having a tip jar type thing. The thing that gets on my nerves is when every video does the "like, subscribe, join my Patreon". I did not know about Midwinter Minis, the cosmos truly has a sense of humour.
@Corvinuswargaming14442 ай бұрын
@@ZenMiniPainting Yes I agree about the “like share subscribe” thing, and in our hobby video space there is also a point of diminishing returns with expanding an audience just for the sake of it. Its better to have a core community of subscribers to actually engage with sincerely and have fewer overall numbers rather than try to have some tens of thousands of subscribers and all the issues that come with it
@gothwrangler80972 ай бұрын
For me, putting together models is half the fun. I like all the bits and bobs, and putting together unique looking models is what I enjoy in the hobby. But then again, I don't really play games with my models (not that I don't want to, I just don't have anyone to play with) so I guess it's just what you want out of your miniatures at the end of the day
@ZenMiniPainting2 ай бұрын
Totally reasonable. I like the fiddle for things like Mordheim, where each figure is a character. But most of the time, I just want chunky units.
@JackSargePainting2 ай бұрын
I agree with Ralph about the P3 Trollblood Highlight. I have an old pot here and it looks a close match. My initial thought was AK Interactive 3rd Gen Grey Brown, which is currently available. However it would need to be lightened with an off white or ivory, perhaps it would serve as a base for layering up?
@ZenMiniPainting2 ай бұрын
Thanks, I'll look into the AK interactive colour.
@Corvinuswargaming14442 ай бұрын
A lot of these miniatures companies are bad at basic communication and just posting announcements. I also worry about ranges disappearing with little to no information
@ZenMiniPainting2 ай бұрын
I think you had comms issues with Old Glory 15s, as in placed an order, heard nothing for ages, not even a confirmation that they got your order? I had the same experience with them. Same excuse of "we just had a massive sale and have been busy". I don't really care about getting the figures immediately, I do, however, want to make sure my order is actually received.
@Corvinuswargaming14442 ай бұрын
@@ZenMiniPainting Yes, exactly. If they had simply said expect 3-4 weeks I would not have minded as much. It doesn’t cost anything to put a note on the site. Khurasan does not post a lot of news on their website but they do maintain an active Facebook and Instagram page for updates which is good.
@RalphAstley2 ай бұрын
The colour I use is a recipe as you are aware, but the surface tone is Trollblood Highlight from P3 (Privateer Press). The range is no longer in production but I noticed recently it is coming back on Kickstarter. I have a Lifecolor paint called Israeli Sandgrey which is also an airbrush colour, principally intended for model tanks. I reckon your Mission Models paint is also intended for the same so theoretically the pigments should match. Comparing my P3 to my Lifecolor; the Lifecolor is slightly lighter but they are quite similar.
@RalphAstley2 ай бұрын
Looking forward to meeting up at Warfare. Your Numidians are 15mm aren't they? But just in case, Essex only take 15mm to shows. I should have completed some Athena figures soon and will upload a video - they are very nice but I'm not keen on the metal extrusions on them which are difficult to remove and can damage the figure. I noticed Tiger Miniatures as well and purchased some figures to see what they are like. The answer is they are much nicer than they appear on the website.
@ZenMiniPainting2 ай бұрын
Yes, I am partial to 15mm Essex figures. They have a certain charm for me. Which Tiger Miniatures did you pick up?
@RalphAstley2 ай бұрын
@@ZenMiniPainting Some German Colonial and some Qing Chinese
@Corvinuswargaming14442 ай бұрын
It would be interesting to try Regimental or Brigade Fire and Fury for playing the Crimean War
@ZenMiniPainting2 ай бұрын
Certainly, F&F is a good game. Just plays a little slow. When we get to a point where enough toys are painted, I will give the initial attack on the Great Redoubt a whirl and see how it plays.
@thekrausecollection15mmmin532 ай бұрын
Just to add to the subject. During the Crimean War Russian Jägers typically wore black leather straps and belting. The black leather equipment was a characteristic feature of many Russian infantry units at the time, including Jägers. This contrasted with the white crossbelts worn by regular infantry (line regiments), which often used whitened canvas or leather. The Jägers were distinct as a specialized force meant for skirmishing, scouting, and operating in difficult terrain, and their darker belts were more practical for their role in field operations, offering better camouflage compared to the more conspicuous white belts of the regular line infantry. There are a few notable sources that provide information on the uniforms and equipment of Russian soldiers during the Crimean War, including the Jägers that I used for painting. These can only help to corroborate or cross reference details about their use of black leather belts and straps. I just ran with this 🫣 1. "The Russian Army of the Crimean War 1854-56" by Philip J. Haythornthwaite - This book provides an in-depth look at the Russian army's organization, uniforms, and equipment during the Crimean War. Haythornthwaite describes how Russian Jägers and other light infantry units were equipped with **black leather accoutrements**, while regular line infantry often had white belts. The black belts were practical for field conditions, especially for skirmishing roles, which aligns with their light infantry duties. 2. **"Uniforms of the Russian Army During the Crimean War" by Robert Wilkinson-Latham**: - This work outlines the variations in uniform across different branches of the Russian army. The Jägers are noted for having **black leather gear**, which distinguished them from regular infantry who had canvas or white leather belts. 3. **Osprey Publishing's Men-at-Arms Series, particularly "Armies of the Crimean War"**: - These publications are widely respected for their detailed illustrations and research on military uniforms and equipment. In these texts, Russian Jägers are often depicted with **black leather crossbelts** and cartridge boxes, contrasting the white belts of other units. To find contemporary sources from the 1800s that describe Russian uniforms during the Crimean War, including Jägers’ equipment, you might turn to military manuals, reports, or eyewitness accounts from the period. Some of these sources offer a more direct look at how soldiers were outfitted during the war. Here are several suggestions for texts and types of documents from the 19th century that might help corroborate uniform details like the black leather belts for Jägers: ### 1. **“*Russisches Militärwesen*” by Karl von Reinhard** (1855) - This book, written during the Crimean War, covers various aspects of the Russian military, including organization, equipment, and tactics. It includes descriptions of different infantry units, which could provide insights into Jäger uniforms. ### 2. **British Army Reports and Eyewitness Accounts** - Officers and soldiers from the British side wrote extensively about their encounters with Russian forces during the Crimean War. Many of these reports were published during or shortly after the war. For example: - **“The Crimean War from First to Last” by General Sir Richard Airey (1861)**: A firsthand account of the conflict, which includes descriptions of Russian troops. - **William Howard Russell’s dispatches** for *The Times* (1854-1856): These were some of the earliest war correspondences and provide vivid descriptions of Russian forces, including their appearance. ### 3. **Military Art Journals and Almanacs** - Periodicals such as the **“Journal of the Royal United Service Institution” (RUSI)**, which began publication in 1831, often included articles on foreign armies. They sometimes published details of the Russian army’s organization and uniforms during the Crimean War period. ### 4. **Uniform Plates from the Period** - Illustrated books and prints from the 19th century, such as **Knötel’s “Uniformenkunde”** (published in parts from 1880 onward), are invaluable primary sources for understanding uniforms of the era. Although published after the Crimean War, it
@ZenMiniPainting2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the above Kevin, I think the main issue I have faced has been the inconsistencies in the sources. For example, McClellan states that Furashkas were the same colour as the greatcoat, but the general consensus appears to be that they were dark green. I don't think that precludes brown/grey furashkas made of the same fabric, certainly need could dictate that compromises were made. Specifically regarding Osprey, I am highly dubious of those as a source, since pronouncements are made in them, but they aren't referencing a specific source, which makes it difficult to follow up. So, I am left to wonder, if the pronouncement actually based on a firm source, or more an expression of consensus? The Jaeger belts are a good example, logically it would seem they were black, but several plates and descriptions seem to contradict that. Now, it might be that captured Jaegers might have been taken wearing white belts, again due to supply exigencies, but that on paper they were supposed to wear black, ideally. I'll delve into the sources that you mentioned, and see if I can get a firmer answer that satisfies me. Again, this is all rather silly on my side, absolutely cop to that.
@thekrausecollection15mmmin532 ай бұрын
I realize it was lengthy sorry. Did not mean to compete with our friend from England in length 😂😂😉
@thekrausecollection15mmmin532 ай бұрын
@@ZenMiniPainting don’t forget, that you are not working on your PhD in Russian military science. Your painting, toy soldiers for your enjoyment. Sometimes I make mistakes but nonetheless, I’m painting, enjoying myself, and if something was red, white, yellow or blue, especially in minutia things of soldier straps don’t fret. It’s one thing that artistic choice versus painting French line infantry in green coats and Russian line infantry in red coats. Don’t be too hard on yourself. I certainly am not on me.
@ZenMiniPainting2 ай бұрын
You are of course correct, Kevin. But that doesn't stop me from stressing over the details. I have a LOT of Russians to paint....
@bruceschmidt34042 ай бұрын
I agree with the varied plastic miniatures with all the different pieces. Just my opinion but it's too much fiddling around and gluing them together. I rather like the one piece figure, so I can start painting. be well.
@JackOpulski2 ай бұрын
It's weird that some of the best references are paintings. The colors there are considerably altered by the lighting and mood chosen by the artists.
@ZenMiniPainting2 ай бұрын
Totally agree. I also found that even eye witness sketches are unreliable. There is a sketch done right after the Alma that exaggerates the elevations on the British flank. Artistic flair most likely to make the assault seem more valiant.
@thekrausecollection15mmmin532 ай бұрын
I think as far as my army that I built is concerned I use the figures that I had. They were in greatcoats. I painted them having red colors because most of the images I saw had them that way. The first regiment in the brigade had red epaulettes and the second one white. the Yeager battalions I had with different colors. I did my best, but I think that in all it was a good representation thank you for your research. Always very nice to see.
@ZenMiniPainting2 ай бұрын
Honestly, I think I am overthinking things here. Certainly at smaller scales it matters less since detail is lost at distance. But these 28mm figures are making me do this!!! I must ask though. What colour did you paint the cross belts on your Jägers?
@basicminiaturepainting2 ай бұрын
An excellent discussion I don't like all the bits a pieces you get on a sprue,simply because I'll never use all the extras,again a great discussion
@cryptidcrafts6662 ай бұрын
Maybe you could swap partial sprue with a kitbasher in your area for a paint pot or something:)
@basicminiaturepainting2 ай бұрын
@@cryptidcrafts666 good idea
@RalphAstley2 ай бұрын
An interesting discussion. I hope you avoid the storm of dislikes I received for my two videos on disappearing companies and on plastics. Not sure why so many people should actively dislike anyone expressing perfectly valid opinions but you may find you ruffle feathers. On disappearing companies that is the first I have heard that Aventine will sell the range on; up until now I had assumed from their announcements that they were simply shutting up shop. That may explain the panic buying. I would really have liked to meet up at Warfare as it's looking likely I will be there. I'll only be able to attend on the Saturday however so we are going to miss one another unless your schedule alters.
@ZenMiniPainting2 ай бұрын
Well, I shall see if there is any way I can get to London more quickly. Perhaps I could fly directly from Houston? Or Dallas? I'll keep you posted. If I can make it on the Saturday, I shall do my damnedest!
@ZenMiniPainting2 ай бұрын
Oh, and as for the "storm of dislikes". 1. I have very few subscribers, so I suppose I don't get the traffic for it. 2. I don't really care. I think we are of the same mind, in that we make these videos for a smallish circle of online hobbyists, rather than mass appeal. I'll be honest, I am probably going to just sell on those Celts. I really can't be bothered with them, they don't suit me and the hassle of glueing them together is likely not worth it.
@RalphAstley2 ай бұрын
Whatever I am painting I always get bogged down with these kinds of doubts to the point where I feel paralysed and unable to put brush to figure. One thing I would be fairly confident of is that the collars on the greatcoats are standing upwards in most of the illustrations you show and are folded down on others and there is no absence of a collar with the tunic collar showing through. I'm also confident that collars are always red and fairly happy that shoulder straps are red in the first regiment in the division and white in the second. From there on I descend into uncertainty, recognising that this was a period of transition in uniform regulation in the Russian Army and that different units would be equipped in different fashion so for instance the six infantry corps of the Regular Army might have a different appearance to the army of the Caucasus. Also the exigencies of service in the field will rapidly encroach on conformity with regulation. Careless use of terminology (such as the blurring of terms such as shoulder straps, shoulder patches and shoulder boards which were all separate entities) by certain authors then adds to the confusion, leaving the wargamer with little option but to decide on a system and then stick to it, comforting themselves that no-one other than the most extreme rivet counter will notice small discrepancies on the tabletop. My own feeling is that the shoulder patches (that I have never had to consider for my 18mm figures) were on the upper side of the greatcoat collars and therefore not in view when the collar was turned up, likewise the red colour on the collar of the greatcoats was on the underside and therefore only apparent when the collar was turned up. Then you have the issue of which regiments had black leather items and which white, this in turn determining the style of drum hoops (see plate F in the 1991 Osprey). I believed this to be a question of place in the line but now am not so sure. I agree that the regiments only carried one flag. Figure manufacturers that supply two standard bearers are probably following their practice from their Napoleonic ranges. But then again I have never been able to discover why certain regiments had distinctive flags and others the generic green and white one. Perhaps the former carried two flags? It all goes to show there is no greater certainty than doubt.
@ZenMiniPainting2 ай бұрын
Hi Ralph, Thank you for your thoughtful comments, always a delight to receive them. 1. Uniforms in the field don't last long: Totally agree that this whole "dilemma" is entirely in my head. I think I am set on doing parade ground uniforms, since it has a sort of picture book quality. There is also a degree of abstraction that takes place, in that, from battle to battle uniforms could vary dramatically, I think @WarwickGeorge points out that the Russians didn't wear their greatcoats at Balaclava because it was too hot. I suppose if we were ultra strict with ourselves we would need every battalion in every order of dress, and I don't see myself doing that! 2. Collars: I think it appears that we have consensus on the collar reverses on the greatcoats having a coloured piece of cloth sewn to it, this would tie in to the red colours we see on regular line regiments. So the collar patch colours become a moot point. Now, it appears that, from thew Osprey plates, and their descriptions, that the Jaegers had dark green collar linings. Re the Bytrusk/Moscow Regiments and their Caucasian issued uniforms, I think that will be a separate discussion, but one that will be had when we get to tackling those regiments. Might make for a nice break in painting monotony, though Foundry haven't a command pack for those troops. In summary for collards we would say, Line = Red; Jaeger = Dark Green. 3. White and Black Leather: The only factor appears to be Line vs Jaeger status. Line = white; Jaeger = Black. This is supported by the newer Ospreys and "other" reading, but the older sources appear to have this rather bizarre 4th Regiment in the Division rule. So I am not quite sure how that emerged. Suffice to say, Black leather for Jaegers appears logical and aligns with the tastes of the time. 4. Flags: Based on the number of Ensigns per Battalion, 1 seems to be confirmed. I think you have it right, the command pack rule seems to be from habit than need. In terms of battalion colours/flags, I can't really find much on this. I see that Great War have several difference Russian flavours, but they all appear to be Green, with minor variations. I suppose we shall need to circle back around to this topic again at a later point!
@RalphAstley2 ай бұрын
@@ZenMiniPainting On the subject of flags I obtain mine from Maverick Models and looking at their site now I realise that apart from a single standard infantry flag all the other variants they retail (and there are many) are for different troop types (carabiniers, jaegars and each guard regiment had a specific flag so maybe the latter require two bearers)
@ZenMiniPainting2 ай бұрын
It appears that Great War (North Star) provide much the same. Although, I am intrigued by Maverick models, they have Sardinian, French, and Ottoman standards, so I might give them a whirl. I might put in a small order with them to see how I like them.
@ZenMiniPainting2 ай бұрын
I dipped into George McClellan's " The Armies of Europe, Comprising Descriptions in Detail of the Military Systems of England, France, Russia, Prussia, Austria, and Sardinia" which I managed to get my paws on. This is what he has to say on the greatcoats: "The same overcoat is worn by all arms of service; ft is of a brownish-gray color; very long, reaching to within three or four inches of the bottom of the pants; double-breasted, standing collar, without cape; it is made very loose by means of large plaits in the back, which can be gathered up by a strap and button; the buttons, shoulder-straps, cuff and collar facings, are the same as those of the uniform coat."
@neilcook90882 ай бұрын
For your bronze try Darkstar molten metals brass colour. A really good range of metallics.
@ZenMiniPainting2 ай бұрын
Thanks Neil, I will see if I can find that brand locally.
@totalburnout54243 ай бұрын
Some nice figures. Were those old Citadel colors in the background? The Relic Miniatures stood on the two pots. I still have some of this colors. After all these years, only the metallic colors have dried out. The others are indestructible. 😄 You were really busy in the hobby. 👍
@ZenMiniPainting3 ай бұрын
Those are Wargames Foundry paint pots. I think the Spearshaft colours. Those are almost 20 years old at this point. I still have several of my old Citadel colours, even some old hexagonal pots.
@basicminiaturepainting3 ай бұрын
Excellent update
@ZenMiniPainting3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching.
@wannabegeneral3 ай бұрын
I can suggest Citadel Contrast Skeleton Horde and/or Aggaros Dunes over a zentithal applied white on black gives a great mid yellowy brown which I think looks good for greatcoats
@ZenMiniPainting3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the suggestion. Never used contrast paint before, but sounds like it might work well.
@wgeffoxdo97193 ай бұрын
great work on these
@ZenMiniPainting3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the kind words.
@thekrausecollection15mmmin533 ай бұрын
Very nice. Superb job tbh. Like the grass
@ZenMiniPainting3 ай бұрын
Thanks Kevin. If you get a moment, could you share your Russian greatcoat recipe with me please? Trying to settle on my scheme for the Roosians.
@thekrausecollection15mmmin533 ай бұрын
OK, I’m home now. I had multiple images of museum pieces. And they were more of a darkish dirt gray. The accounts that I read said they were a brownish gray. So I used.Us field drab 873 and for some of the quotes I used from the company to thin coats, paints, scorched earth, and dust brown. I find that too many people paint them almost like a bride khaki and some people is super super light gray almost World War II. I didn’t want that. I think I achieved the appropriate color units are a little bit darker a little bit lighter. I like the variance because the Russian production was also very poor and unstable at the time.