I played kruleboyz v khorne and we did'nt know whether the bloodletters, who got strike last, got to fight sooner if the foot hero bloodletters used the "fight imidiatly"

15:15 that's so stupid.. 18:00 yeah that makes sense

In the LRL example you mentioned that the second unit can't be picked because the strikes first unit hadn't fought yet, but the constraint is not that they've fought it's that they've been picked to fight. So with lightning reactions you pick 2, the first being strikes first, and then there are no more strikes first, so you pick a strike normal. I feel if lightning reactions is not intended to do this, there still needs a further FAQ.

Glad to see a long thread that I started on one of your videos turned into a rules clarification, haha! This is a strong combo hat I saw right when I read the index. this also works with theradons and a myrmidon. And darkoath chief with savagers.

Hey dude really enjoy your videos. Crazy to see that strike last doesn't reset pick order, I wonder if they'll FAQ it. P.s. Can you pump the mic a bit, it is a bit soft.

Opps ive been getting strikes-last wrong, thank you for the clarification.

Thank you very much for taking the time to make this!

I still don't understand why you don't like those abilities that allow other units to attack inmediately. It just feels like the hero is embedded on the unit like in fantasy, it's fairly straight forward isn't it?

I do miss the early edition magic system with cards. Anything new would be welcome, some sort of drafting system perhaps.

Really like the analysis of your Soulblight Videos. Thanks so much

Good video, I'm quite enjoying playing SBGL at the moment. Defo, need to get the decision points established, so I know which tactic I'm doing and what spells I'm casting without dragging the game on too long. Appreciated your comment last time about not worrying too much about buffing the Blood Knights with Vhordrai's ability, that's the kinda trap I'd easily fall into, now I look at it as "if it happens, it happens, but don't go chasing it" Even managed my first win against Mega Gargants yesterday, although it was Scorched Earth, which was good for me and I did win the roll off, but still, that's nothing short of a miracle imho.

Nice recap. You could mention your list at the beginning quickly.

+1

I think you're harsh on vampire lord, in the vampire formation he's basically 2s 2s -2 rend so he will kill a foot hero. They get isolated a lot in the mid game when their units charge away from them, and he's +1 cast with manifestations which is almost worth his points alone. I think you're undervaluing how much of a bonus the vamp formation is to let you run this vampire stuff, you can get like 3-5 +1 to cast spellcast in this army and just spam manifestations. Cado as well +2 to cast a purple sun,+1 with unleash spell, +1 to unbind. He's expensive but there's a role there for him. Askurgans are good because its strike-last not strike-first they can just hang around something important and make you account for the ability going off when they run their dawnriders or whatever in, if they didn't have efficient bodies it would be bad, but they do. Palanquin I think also is fine, you see lumineth running a lord-regent for basically the same effect and they aren't getting a big control debuff aura. When the BKs go in on some huge target like a glutton blob or a reinforced cav you need to guarantee they lift it.

I really like the retrospection. I had watched the first videos and disagreed with some of your points that it seems you come around on, which is cool to see.. if that makes sense :) I still disagree on Radukar, he really doesn't need to charge to be good, the +1 to wound bubble is good, but locking something in with him if he's cleared a screen poses a real problem for your opponent much like deathstench. Also you don't need to move into combat, you can kill a unit and then move onto an objective or get in the way, it's really quite strong. I just don't like that he costs 350 points though for 12 wounds on a 4 up save. Squishy as all heck.

You forgot the wilderfiend??

No of my armies on your channel but I really like your videos

wind of death on manfredd combos well with his Sword of Unholy Power ability :) (against a good portion of armies, that have weak models to target)

Warscrolls and "endless legions" really carry this army to be viable. The gutted everything else, its sad. Really like the Mortis Engine . I agree on tactics as we have a ton of tactic units (bats, vargs, bloodborn ect) Lots of "teleporting" as well.

Really appreciate a lot of your insight. As a player with an army without any real sources of Strikes First/Strikes Last playing against the armies that can manipulate that is very frustrating and it seems like simething GW just kind of forgot to give some factions.

Good video, thanks for taking the time. What was your list?

Great video, Deathstench Drove is surprisingly good - that extra pile-in at the end of every turn will sometimes allow you to engage other enemy units which in some games has really messed up my opponents game plan.

Sweet video, Can't wait for part 2. SBGL are looking great

The stormcast folks are saying FEC are one of the worst armies in the game but I don't see it. But then again I'm not abusing Longstrikes. FEC has so much stacked stuff that by the time my opponent is done with their hero phase I'm ready to pack up. It's so frustrating seeing an army with all the tools they need to play the game when other factions are like clunking half powered obtuse machines that barely function. Also to your point about damage wiping units, yea I agree. In stormcast your battleline option is just 10 Vanquishers. SCE is the "elite" faction but every single time I put 10 Vanqs on the line I'm 100% guaranteed to lose at least 8-9 of them on the enemy's activation if they get charged. If they get to swing first into their ideal target they maybe kill 6-9 models because everything in the game except SCE either has a bucket of wounds on their infantry or ward saves everywhere. If they charge you you're likely just giving the opponent 220 points of your army for literally nothing in return. SCE are not elite, a 3+ save and 2 wounds is nothing compared to the dps every army is putting out. Trolls swinging -3s, Kroxes too, Bone Reapers just go right through SCE like they aren't even there. It's practically unplayable for SCE if you aren't using specific, arguably busted, units and hiding behind Morbid. I'm sure other armies are in the same boat. Sylvaneth looks like it doesn't even function on paper. KO can't even interact with Endless Spells without sacrificing vital, required resources. StD feels like an army composed entirely of blank warscrolls with statlines. I really like how 4th edition plays and I think it's a good baseline but it feels really really terrible to play right now, likely because I happen to have the wrong armies?

keen on the SBGL vid(s?) coming out! great stuff

had a game against kb, played archie, abraxia, 6 vg, csl + nexus and malevolence manifestations. the first three units mentioned formed a pretty dangerous deathstar. it was our first game and my opponent didn't really think about running from it, i could say when the deathstar reached his main heroes block it was a massacre

*kbz can use the ability if it is infantry, has 10 or less models, is not in combat, and all must be set up wholly within 3" of terrain, outside of 9" of any enemy model, including manifestations. great analysis though dude! manifestations being so easy to pull off and interacting with so many rules in so many different ways under such an abstract and arbituary framework sure is something. imo, the distribution of quantity and quality of casters across different armies is a bit bonkers. how have you been manifestations since making this video? have you been finding that a lot of games end up being just a bit brawl in the middle, or have your games been reaching the end of the 5th turn more often than not? would love a vid on kruleboyz sometime :)

Saw the first win rates. Holy crap lol. SCE like %37

Just started this hobby and was vaguely familiar with 3rd edition, thank you for your perspective. What would you say are the absolute must have units that i could field and have an answer to most other lists do you think?

I think you're overlooking a very important synergy with the units that bring other units in to fight after them. Be'lakor. If the Chaos Lord on foot and Chosen are both within 3" of Be'lakor, the Chosen basically have double the chance at fighting first. Same with Ogroids and a Myrmidon. AKA - COME AT ME BRO!

Appreciate the summary! Now would you sum up that masssssssive Stormcast videos? 😅

Your assessment of how important manifestations are was way off. Hopefully they get a bit of a nerf. They are essentially free units every turn for 1 cast per manifestation. Knight arcanum is probably the second best wizard you can take right now just for the plus 1 for cast and banish summons.

Can you pls do this for Khorne?

Do FEC!! I don’t play them but I want to know how they win apart from the obvious

Yeah, I have to agree. It's probably best to build around Archaon, Abraxia or Belakor or go max Varanguard. I like the CL on Daemonic Mount, but mostly because I think it looks good. I collect for fun, so my list will probably end up as Knights, Varanguard, Warriors, CL on Karakdrak, CSL or Gaunt Summoner, and maybe Chosen. I also like Sylvaneth, and mostly every unit is viable, imo. I'm not interested in the upcoming Twistweald unit, so I don't count them. Drycha is the only one I totally write off, which is sad because I considered her auto-include last edition. But her shooting and combat have been neutered hard and her support doesn't make up for it at all. She would need to be like 30-40% points less for me to consider her. The Manifestations are also way underpowered compared to the generic ones. There are a few borderline units. Branchwych is a cheap caster and has a fights-first trick but probably isn't worth the hero slot in most builds. Spite Revenants aren't good, but they are really efficient in terms of damage. Revenants Seekers give you extra rally dice, which are usually useless, but might matter in Sylvaneth's more defensive playstyle in 4th. But even if it isn't that helpful, they have good durability, mobility and OK damage for their cost. I personally don't like Arch Revenant since she is basically 170 points to give one unit of Kurnoth's +1 to wound in combat, but there is a point cost where she will be worth taking.

Appreciate the insights. I'm still working on my main army, but StD is my second favorite faction and I'm familiar with the 3rd ed rules. My problem with Chosen is that they don't really do anything the best. Warriors are more durable and have better control. And Knights are almost always better in every metric- most notably mobility- for the exact same points cost. I collect for aesthetics, so I like the idea of having an army with Warriors, Chosen, Knights and Varanguard, but I don't see a use for the Chosen in 4th. A point-holder that's more deadly than Warriors, but less durable? Is that really a valuable role? Also, there's a few times where you referenced that a hero takes up a regiment slot. In some armies, that might be a consideration, but it's exceedingly easy to get by with just two heroes in StD. Other than the centerpiece heroes, there really aren't super-powerful options competing for hero slots. If you're running, Abraxia, for example do you really care about the second hero? Honestly, a Sorc Lord or Gaunt Summoner just being a wizard is definitely good enough. Am I gonna be sad that now I don't have room for a sub-par combat hero like a daemon prince? No, not really. I'd rather have a unit of Knights anyways for 30 points less. I know you didn't do this with Stormcast, but it would be cool to see you brainstorm some lists and how you think the units best fit together.

At 34:47 you mention your opponent rolled for a charge, failed the charge then used a CP to re-roll the charge. You have to use your CP command before you roll the charge now. It doesn't change the outcome of dark master ruining his BT in your retelling though!

Very useful info. Thanks for this

Really wish Demon Prince could be a wizard. I wanna use him but I dont think theres space

The gaunt summoner on foot is a two cast wizard for 170 points and can take any slaves to darkness in his regiment. Not a bad choice to bring chaff

Fantastic breakdown, thank you.

Quick question. How would you cast translocation in your opponents turn? Can you do it as a reaction in their hero phase even though the scroll says "Your Hero Phase"? Edit: oh shit the magical intervention command! Nice 👍

Too many errors

Knight Vexillor is also a stormcast exemplar.

Could you upload your notes as a pdf or sth would be great

Great video! Good points to think about and sound advice. Keep the content coming!

Really good video. Thank you.

Missed that Shock and Awe lasts until the end of the battle round. Much stronger rule as a result - but the timing is super weird. If you go second the rule is much weaker. Why doesn't last until the end of the next turn?

Is it just me or are GW's rules just word salad? I been in the game since 5th and I'm finding the rules are becoming way more worry than it used to be

Great video buddy, looking forward to more.