014 | The Case Against the Sexual Revolution with Louise Perry

In this episode, Helen has a conversation with Louise Perry, journalist and author of the recently released “The Case Against the Sexual Revolution.” They cover Perry's background, the reason for her success, and their shared long-term vision of demographic collapse. Helen wrote a review of this book for The Institute of Family Studies, excerpted here:
Not only is Perry’s set of evidence eminently understandable to an audience of young women, her tone is empathetic and humble, neither condescending nor blameful. She admits to her own belief of the lie, and believes that most who do, do so earnestly. This combination of accessibility and charity could be what makes The Case Against the Sexual Revolution effective in convincing young women to be chaste-much more effective than the litany of explicitly socially conservative and antifeminist books that have aimed for the same for many years. Already, it has served as the impetus for one such conversion of heart. Bridget Phetasy cited Perry as the inspiration for her article “I Regret Being a Slut,” which went viral on social media in early August.
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[@audreyb9275]

This was a lovely interview, although truthfully, it made me very sad, as I am 31 and unmarried, and being left alone in old age is one of my biggest fears, so the discussion at the end was difficult to listen to. Would you please pray for me? My poor history of dating has made very depressed lately and caused me many tears. I would very much like to get married and have a family.

[@jasonsanders8091]

As a NZ man in his 50s I would say your best bet to meet men and get to know them would be joining hiking clubs because you can't help but have long conversations with fellow hikers. Other societies that attract men, and offer similar opportunities would be certain types of gardening clubs, shooting clubs, toastmasters, rockclimbing clubs, martial arts, churches; but not nightclubs and bars so much. Wrong sort of men there on the whole. Keep your bodycount down too; this really matters to men.

[@jasonsanders8091]

I will pray for you too! I definitely think some ideas from books like those of Susan Page on mating would be helpful. If you make it your intention, and have a plan, and put it into action then I am sure you will be ahead of the pack! There are a lot of lonely men out there too. Maybe Rollo Tomassi's books on men might give another perspective too. Norah Vincent who lived as a man for a while wrote a good boot too.

[@sfowler4388]

Girl, you are so admirable to ask for prayer here. May you find joy and contentedness both where you are... AND may God provide an incredible husband with whom you can build a loving home.

[@GirlbossInterrupted]

God has a perfect plan for your life, Audrey. You will be in my prayers!

[@martingrannholmen]

You got to keep on fighting, do not give up!

[@tyramcneal1204]

I’m definitely going to get this book! It feels so good to see other women speaking out about this topic. I am 26 and I’m still a virgin. I used to get made fun of and even had older women tell me “what are you waiting for” or “he’ll want someone more experienced”. The societies current way of looking at this just never sat well with me so I just quietly did my own thing. So happy I didn’t listen!!! ❤️✨

[@drewyetti]

Be proud that you remain a virgin and didn’t giving into peer pressure as it takes strong Will and courage. I bet those women that made fun of you for being a virgin could be lying about their promiscuous past or virginities.

[@K4113B4113]

Lol “he’ll want someone more experienced”. I think it's more like "how many guys did you say have been here before me?".

[@elihathaway6784]

@@K4113B4113 - Right, men certainly don't want experienced women for long term relationships, that's completely absurd.

[@rogerblakely7453]

I hit the like button. Welcome to the Manosphere Algorithm.

[@patcartier8171]

40'16" "Most people are not charming and interesting" This is what I admire in Louise Perry: she has vision and the courage to express her vision. But I differ with her when she upholds the model of the traditional family who cares equally for everyone in the group, whether they are lovable or not. I think it is entirely normal, and just, and fair, that people who are neither charming nor interesting fail to find companions, fail to marry & start a family now that arranged marriage has been superseded by love marriage, fail to please anyone in their old age and, in short, live a life that is neither charming nor interesting. 46'29 "There are genuinely good men out there, they do exist". Exactly: they, not the incels, not the disgruntled misogynists of the manosphere, are the ones for whom love and life should be charming and interesting. Justice is everything but an equality of outcome.

[@BobSmith-vo9hv]

Perhaps I don't understand what an Incel is, or purports to be, but every single one of the Gen X guys I knew at school or university managed to get laid at least semi-regularly, even if some spent long periods of time without a GF or never got married. This was true even for the nerdiest, least physically attractive guys. If it is therefore a generational phenomenon that there is now such a thing as an Incel, why is that? This is where the manosphere has some useful insights. Yes, the manosphere is riddled with misogyny, but think of it as being like panning for gold; you have to sieve through a hell of a lot of worthless grit, but sometimes there is a nugget of gold. They have, for example, a sound analysis of how and why marriage is an extremely high-risk endeavour for men in the contemporary west, and the social consequences of falling marriage rates and rising divorce rates.

[@Vindicador01]

Women have it so easy yet you say this

[@patcartier8171]

@@Vindicador01 So, you don’t think that it is normal, and just, and fair, that failed men should fail to find companions and start families? Well, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that you belong to this category of men who are neither charming nor interesting. The name you chose for yourself, “Vindicador”, speaks volumes in this regard.

[@thelimey351]

I hadn't realised until a few years ago the very significant effect the Pill could have on women's preferences in men - it seems to me that before any huge step like marriage a woman should come off The Pill for 6 months to see what alterations in desire if any occur regarding her potential life partner.

[@mebtor]

You should do an interview with That Guy Pete You Refuse To Invite To Gatherings. (He has also done a video with a good analysis of Louise's book.)

[@infinitesimally-forevaaa]

Your daughter is the absolute cutest!

[@GirlbossInterrupted]

Thank you :)

[@allancoote1221]

Excellent

[@GirlbossInterrupted]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@jasonsanders8091]

I agree with points about manosphere men being too blaming and angry. But they do have some good points too, such as how the legal system is screwing men over in divorces, and teaching men how to see redflags in women. I mean men are getting hurt by certain young women. You can waste your time on women. A lot of men won't realise soon enough that a woman might be using them as stepping stones, or might just be marrying them because they've hit the wall. They can be naive to the dark side of the feminine, just like some women will tend to fall for the charismatic players.

[@mikewalsh9041]

Very good presentation. Great guest. A thorough discussion of the Pill would include all the malign effects besides our abysmally low birthrate. And people without children will find themselves in old age at the mercy of grifters, indifferent staff, and the Government when it comes round with the Final Jab. First presented as mercy, then as moral necessity, finally euthanasia will be mandated. At least for those without advocates.

[@williamjackson1743]

What low birthrate? Im confused by your statement. Can you elaborate?

[@mikewalsh9041]

@@williamjackson1743 The birthrate in advanced countries, including the US, is below 2.1, which is replacement rate. This means, among other things, that the pool of taxpayers needed to support the retirement and health-care entitlements is too small.

[@mikewalsh9041]

@@monikagolab8892 Your response has nothing to do with what I wrote. I pointed out a fact, that the current birthrate renders our social programs unsustainable. You are starting at shadows. Where have you heard any suggestion that the G might coerce pregnancy? Television programs? Rather, be concerned, as I suggested, that the G will mandate euthanasia when you reach a degree of age and decrepitude. Choice? You'll get no choice then. It's coming.

[@gumdeo]

The way Canada is going with MAID, many people won't even reach old age...

[@JeffCaplan313]

Canada is already doing this. When it happens in the U.S., it's going to be REALLY dark days.

[@jenniferlawrence2701]

On that pessimism: Many young men feel it too. Liberal Individualism is increasingly turning men and women into things the other doesn't find attractive.

[@hengineer]

And places like reddit make it worse

[@inalinarokov8643]

Продолжайте в том же духе.

[@shannonhacker30]

the feminine version of chivalery is sacrifice

[@asi2765]

Red pill and incel are completely different things. Basic idea of RP has nothing to do with women. Inter sexual dynamics is certainly a part of it but mostly it’s about the system and politics. Public enemy no. one of RP is definitely not "Hot women on cock carousel". It becomes an RP problem when they try to normalize such behavior, encourage young women to engage in such behavior and lie to them that at the end of the ride there will be a guy to take them seriously. It becomes an RP problem when they try to program men into accepting such women. Nonsensical arguments like "body count doesn’t matter" being pushed into society becomes a problem. Biggest worries are accidently ending up in a serious relationship/marriage with one of these women on carousel or even worse unknowingly raising someone else's kid..

[@reginasemenenko148]

And some of us are also disgusted by the guys who sleep with several women and then think any woman would want them for a husband. There are women who have not cheapened themselves.

[@elihathaway6784]

@@reginasemenenko148 - Are you kidding? It really doesn't work the other way around, not too any women clamoring for a virgin husband.

[@reginasemenenko148]

@@elihathaway6784 Some women don't care. I did and most of my women friends are the same. However, we date only a certain type of man in the religious community.

[@voccessbg5396]

​​@@elihathaway6784there is a ton of difference between virgin and manwhore. It absolutely works the other way around. Having a high body count is a huge red flag in men. Huge. Like ...the most important parameter ever😅

[@jasonsanders8091]

The most undervalued feminine virtue today is chastity. Self restraint and purity. To be a wife and a mother involves a lot of discipline, and the giving up of shallow pleasures like sleeping around, for the deeper joy of loving children and spouse and other relatives like the in laws, brother in laws and sister in laws etc.

[@GodsOwnPrototype]

19:30 There is a blindspot here; if all contraception inevitably fails & abortion is kept as a backup against the responsibility of natural consequence & a man has no legal say over his progeny until birthed by their mother, then there are clearly many many men whose children have been killed by these women. So the idea that there has been no harm caused by these women to anyone but themselves is absurdly myopic. (Also, men who were falsely lead to believe the encounters would be consequence free only to be econonically liable for decades without any say or veto)

[@harsha307]

She reminds me of a celebrity, I can't remember who though

[@andreakumar2984]

Emma Watson? I think of Louise Perry as a more intelligent Emma Watson.

[@DavidDinnison]

The word you are looking for Louise is being a lady, for men Chivalry is being a gentleman and for women it is being a lady suppressing her animalistic desires and vice and being pure and kind and ladylike……my God why can modern feminists not even think of this

[@Al-vj3rf]

It all stems from men and women refusing to see the Face of God in each other. If you truly love someone, you will try to get them to heaven and you would not risk them losing their souls through sins of lust.

[@NiVoldiza]

Interesting subject, but I'mma go watch an interview on her with someone, who doesn't make me sit through 10mins of pointless chit chat to get to the talking point I'm here for.

[@williamjackson1743]

I saw my Grandmother on my Fathers and Mothers side weekly and made it a objective to spend quality time with them. As they were in their 80s. The idea of elder care is all on the person as said. What are you talking about status?? There is no immigrant or robotic care that is less than a current care worker. This is disgraceful and polictically minded drivel.

[@mebtor]

Why do you immediately jump to the conclusion that being child free equals that you hate children? That is so intellectually lazy of you! I am child free, and one of the reasons is compassion. It is my way of following The Golden Rule. I can hardly think of anything more cruel than to put an innocent human being into this world. As for the manosphere guys, I don't think what they are asking from women is public repentance, but rather accountability.

[@patcartier8171]

Exactly. There was no hatred in my own choice to remain childfree. I did not want to become a father, I did not want to have the status granted to men by fatherhood. As an anti-authoritarian man, I wanted neither to obey nor give orders, and I decided that in order to get rid of authority I had first to kill the father in me. Which I did, and I have lived happily ever after as part of a DINK couple. (It should be said, though, that allowing them to travel on planes has done much to damage the reputation of children.)

[@GodsOwnPrototype]

A distiction was made between people who are Childless and those who are Child Free.