Louise Perry on re-enchanting sex, marriage and relationships

[@elias.knotman]

Another great conversation. I live in Vietnam and married to a Vietnamese woman. We have a little boy. I am able to earn enough money for her to stay at home (at least for the first couple of years) to look after our boy. We both work hard. When it comes to applying for a visa, it is necessary that my wife demonstrate she is in full time employment. This is deeply unfair and deprecates the work she does as a mother.

[@jeffa847]

If you don't mind - a visa to where? That's very interesting - I had never heard that

[@joanofarcxxi]

​@@jeffa847Maybe a Scandinavian country.

[@laurengaskell2098]

@@jeffa847 I think Elias meant that he lives in Vietnam while not being a Vietnamese. This means that he lives there most likely on a spouse visa. It is a common condition across many countries that when a foreign spouse applies for a spouse visa, the native spouse has to earn certain amount of money per year. I think this is what Elias is talking about. Answering your question directly - 'visa to where?' - his visa to stay in Vietnam.

[@RichardMoua]

Disgusting yellow fever, sexpat.

[@markhannig1192]

Imagine telling women “don’t get drunk with strange men because it’s risky” and failing to realize that men too do well to abide the same rule. This is common sense. All people should realize the reality of why this rule is good for you.

[@dubbula]

Yea if women were ladies and men gentlemen they wouldnt

[@vanessajanik4623]

Well it’s much riskier for women given the physical differences between men & women.

[@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894]

Jesus never wrong wish l listened to him earlier

[@rhyswhittington8759]

its not quite the same thing though is it? its good advice dont get me wrong but its definitely women that need to hear this more than men.

[@Veracityseeker7]

Exactly. BOTH need the same rules and standards.

[@garydavidson6917]

man, u guys are so polite! when u disagree or give an opinion - the way u Brits do is amazing! i just love it!!!

[@rylogan6976]

As a sex coach I hear so many woman that I work with promoting and advocating for polyamory and other social sexual behaviors based on historically male behavior. This talk and Louise Perry’s work is SO refreshing and needed to truly empower woman to thrive sexually. So much of the narrative from sex positive communities these days are actually so unhealthy for woman and pressure them to accept behaviors and expectations that go against their biological, emotional, and spiritual truths. THANK YOU for sharing these important topics!

[@thatsmynamesowhat2949]

Hook-up culture is just a symptom of an emotionally unhealthy person in need of healing. That goes for men and women.

[@joangratzer2101]

PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE; GOD FORGOT TO GIVE WOMEN A SEX DRIVE.

[@Vindicador01]

Yeah thats why i advocate for one sided polygamy,men are allowed to have sexual partners but not the woman, i think it is better that way and is more in accordance with the biological categories of both sexes but modern feminism ruins everything

[@bensanderson7144]

I’m a sex coach, too.

[@alenaadamkova5322]

@@Vindicador01 Mathematically its not possible.....if man sleeps with 3 women the same 3 women can not be monogamous at the same time. because you promote the pother men having more relationships too. mathematically oin can not be 30 percent to 70 and 50 percent to 50 percent if we realoise that men population is maybe 50 percenta nd womenś population is 50 percent. if man sleeps with several women, he can not be at the same time present with his own kids because his mind is addicted to sex and not to other activities thata re much more valuable his attention for his own kids increases if he has one partner that he loves whole heartedly. Buthaving multiple partners can work if he feels no love toward them. but its wrong because he is supposed to feel unconditional love toward his own kids, and ist less possible if he doiesnt feel love toward partner, his mind is contradicted. Its like saying put slat and sugar to the same cup, but separate salt and sugar.

[@martynmettam9296]

Brilliant. Both Belle and Justin drew out a discussion richer than I had previously heard on other interviews with Louise Perry. And Louise seemed to really enjoy it.

[@englishguy215]

As a man born in the early 1950s I have to say I completely agree with Louise. If more came round to the ideas she talks about the world would become a far better place, a kinder world, a world with more respect for the individual and a much happier place.

[@TheSulross]

relative to western societies of 2023, the 1950s was comparatively a paradise absolutely every metric about our contemporary era is far, far worse and for the most point are at critical crisis stages and percentage-wise people -men and women - are profounfly discontent to where mental illness a sucide are at levels never seen before. The stats for children raised outside of a NORMAL traditional two parent family are bleak - and that status has never bern at higher rate. None of these facts of the matter bode well for what will transpire in the hext 30 years as the consequences of allthese horrible metrics realize their impact on western civilization brace for impact

[@mobilityproject3485]

@@TheSulross Or we could turn from these ways and not look back. I agree tho, by rights we don't have much more time to live before the light flashes engulf our cities.

[@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894]

JESUS CHRIST IS NEVER WRONG IN THE END HES THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT

[@skylinefever]

@@TheSulross Good luck getting that back. The last thing the Blackrocks and Vanguards will tolerate are jobs that pay for a house with 3 years wages, and only needing a high school diploma to get it. Good luck getting the social life of the 1950s beck without the economic incentive.

[@markanthony7307]

😊😊😊😊😊

[@ronyeahwiggie729]

Found your channel today, watched the talk with Tom Holland, whom I truly enjoy listening to, and now I am being introduced to Louise... As a (former) Catholic (through upbringing) I find myself coming full circle when it comes to Christianity, although Catholics of old would probably burn me at the stake as a heretic... Anyway I am finding your podcast so far rather enlightening and encouraging to keep on my path. Thank you.

[@heatherwoods5703]

The Catholic Church and Biblical Christianity are very different in important ways. Keep reading the Bible as the way to measure truth and knowing God. Blessings! 📖🙏💗

[@ronyeahwiggie729]

@@heatherwoods5703 They appear to be indeed.

[@thetechteam3852]

I was also brought up Catholic & stayed in there for a good while, accessing much of thr great Catholic spiritual resources (esp of the religious Orders) eg Lectio Divina, Ignatian spirituality & Awareness Examen etc etc. Then the new translation of the Mass, reactionary & linguistically poor, was dumped on us from on high & that was the final straw (misogyny had my hand on the exit door knob)! Have been Anglican since I came across a brilliant female parish priest.

[@thetechteam3852]

Heather is not fully correct. Evangelic traditions tend to think that the only tradition that counts in the literally biblical. They are a minority- all the churches recognise the importance of tradition in the church, alongside scriptural tradition. Most evangelicals get Catholicism totally wrong... I did a Theology degree at a Catholic university (mostly biblical studies) and followed up at an Anglican theological college. There was no difference in how biblical texts were approached, and I learned different things from different lecturers across the two institutions. :)

[@charlesstanford1310]

I'm Christian, but before Louise Perry and Mary Harrington came to the scene, the most lucid commentator about sex I read was Camille Paglia. _Sexual Personae_ is still one of my favorite books, and "No Law in the Arena" from 1994 with its blatantly Pagan attitude toward sexuality was an anchor point for my understanding. I would love to hear Louise read it out loud and comment on it.

[@sarahrobertson634]

People engaged in Abrahamic religions really can't enjoy sex. Paganism is much older and more connected to nature, and has a much healthier view of sexuality.

[@carefulcarpenter]

I dated 6 women in my dating years who were raised in Christian churches. One was a minister's daughter--- like my grandmother was also. My parents lived by Christian principles and were a good measure to compare. They never took us to church, but did not intefere as I was searching for spiritual meaning. A lay priest advised me that taking our children to church was not necessary. Church is not the same relationship that we develop directly with Jesus Christ. Discuss?

[@kwazooplayingguardsman5615]

@@carefulcarpenter Church is important, you are not called to worship Christ alone, you are called to be in a community of christians

[@carefulcarpenter]

@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 Many are called; few are chosen. Why do you need "them" if you have a direct personal relationship with the lord? At one service where communion was going to be given, one Ordained Minister and the Pastor asked me to go outside just before the service started. They said I was welcome to come back into the service but was not allowed to take communion from the Ordained Minister. He said I was not one of them. What did he mean when he said that? I went back into the church and got in the pastor's line.

[@kwazooplayingguardsman5615]

​@@carefulcarpenter because a faith kept to himself is a faith jealously guarded, secreted away, as if its some treasure to be hoarded, it is a capricious and dead faith if it is not lived, shared, and argued for.

[@sarah-kk4om]

I’m a pariah among women because I’ve never believed in so called hook up culture. I’m seen as anti feminist and Unconfident. It is actually hard to thrive when you are swimming against the tide

[@lifeisawesome7868]

Probably you are the only one in your friend group who has her sanity intact.

[@frankgradus9474]

I'm a father of a daughter and I share your sentiment.

[@daddycool228]

It is very hard swimming against the tide. I agree. Takes guts and suffering . At least the suffering is understood and intentional . As another said I am also a father of a daughter . I liked girls when I was growing up but my expectation was that I would meet and marry one. I tried but a couple of false starts ( not marriages but girlfriends ) later I eventually met my wife. I have learnt that having imits seems to be liberating.

[@joedatius]

@FredCarpenter-pb6bd what???

[@norski4052]

Conversation is gripping when it is truthful. This is a good message to share with family and friends.

[@ribeirojorge5064]

Basically... as long as we continue to neglect and even despise the Importance of the Quality of Motherhood as a Fundamental Condition in the Formation of Human Character... we continue to have a Sick Society... without understanding the Causes... We will never Find the Cure ❤️💚💜

[@GabrielleTollerson]

facts!!

[@redhead8777]

One step further. I hypothocize: birth control methods/medical interventions for both male (vasectomy) and females (birth control pill now plus other methods) are causing genital/reproductive cancers (prostate/uterine) , impotence, inability to get pregnant, depression and other medical/mental health issues.

[@mkkrupp2462]

@@redhead8777 A voice from the dark ages…..do you know how many women used to DIE in and as a result of childbirth (and even still do in many undeveloped countries). Go do some ancestral history and find out.

[@redhead8777]

@@mkkrupp2462 I don't live in a perpetual state of fear based on the dark ages. What's your mindset about this? - That noone should get pregnant or birth if there is ancestral issues? That seems like an extreme fear of or disregard of the nature of and spiritual reality of pregnancy/childbirth to me... maybe I don't understand your point (I definitely cannot relate to your sentiments b/c I can't access info that far back into my ancestral history to know). Generally I agree that childbirth has improved over time. I was trying to make the point that Unnatural Scientific interventions (for purposes of convenience and hedonistic behavior) are causing Unnatural and Destructive consequences that we are not even Aware of! Thank you for your input.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

​@@redhead8777 It's actually still a current issue as well.

[@southbug27]

The writer of Sex & The City is now 60-years-old & said putting career 1st & not marrying & having children was a huge mistake. The young women & men need to hear these stories. There’s nothing sadder than a lonely, old cat woman & a lonely, old man seeing sex workers & sitting alone at the bar hitting on 20-year-olds.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

That's quite the stereotype about women. It's the furthest from the truth.

[@maryjomagar7154]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 Terrible stereotype. I am of Gen-X, which is the "Sex & the City" demographic. I did not marry or have children, and I put my career first. However, I did not live a "liberal" lifestyle (parties, promiscuity, etc.). I am far from sad or lonely. I am early retired, and I do not own any cats or pets. Funny that during the years when "Sex & the City" aired, I never saw it or even knew of it. Sadness and loneliness are issues within oneself, unrelated to the choice of marriage and children. Consider also that many people are widowed eventually or on bad terms with their children. There are no guarantees in life, and at the end of life, every person makes the passage of death alone, even if others are around.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

@maryjomagar7154 They're just trying to scare young women into marriage with their lies. I'm early Boomer, also 60 years old, same age as the writer and don't agree with her whatsoever. Furthermore most of the married women I know who had kids were working moms. They didn't have to choose. There's a few single ones who are retired and travel, have plenty of friends and hobbies. Do all these people think women sit at home lonely? That's just redpill revenge fantasy. Good for you to retire early and live your best life.

[@GreenWhitePurple]

Such a generalisation. I think there can be awful marriages, terrible family situations... why pick one type of life situation and say its the saddest? Every situation is different.

[@frankharte9617]

You are all full of SH!T. Thank you and God Bless.

[@jellyrcw12]

I'm a Jewish American and I'm so deeply impressed by the quality of this discussion. Thank you for sharing!!

[@rocklee619]

30:35 "Trying to explain water to fish"... Love this saying so much! Sometimes us humans can't accept the truth, even if that truth surrounds on a daily basis.

[@TheSulross]

most people only learn lessons about things of these subject matters once the consequences they are reaping collapse their societal order People going in a stupid direction (i.e., modern secularism and Wokism) can't be persuaded by reason and facts - the consequences that result are the correction.

[@markaurelius61]

Louise is great. She seems so prepared to call it as she sees it.

[@Practical.Wisdom]

This is such a brilliant interview! Thanks for sharing.

[@jellyrcw12]

I just started this interview and I'm so excited to see where this goes. I saw her on Triggernometry and she's absolutely brilliant!!

[@AmbyAntidevolution]

I’ve always considered sex as sacred. Promiscuity is not in my nature. I’ve been tricked and let down by men who claimed they loved me but did not form any bond with me. They would act like I was the problem for becoming attached. I felt so manipulated. I’m in America and our culture is so over sexualized. Marriages don’t last and even the ones that do suffer infidelity often. It’s so sad. People have been so influenced by the media to believe it’s okay to be sexually immoral. I’m a divorced single mother. I can’t trust men intentions anymore. I’ve been lied to way too many times. My ex husband was caught in a child sex sting. This is the path sexually immoral behavior can lead to. They keep wanting more and different experiences. They become sadistic.

[@toddjohnson271]

I'm betting you passed over good men who would commit faithfully.....into the old friendzone for the shiny sports car that used you for fun.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Why is sex sacred

[@AmbyAntidevolution]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 we feel it from inside deeper than the desire for orgasm. A soul connection is formed.

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

Sex is not sacred at all. If you are christian / religious its a natural drive god gave you that we can spread and multiply and reward us the same time with so much pleasure that we really cannot resist doing it. In a monogamous relationship (which is not the norm) it is fundamental to have trust and build it on passion, sex. It's an intimate conversation you need to have on a regular basis. Sex is the most human aspect you can have.

[@AmbyAntidevolution]

@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 lol that’s your perception. Very animalistic. Some people evolved as intended by god. Maybe you haven’t? Bavarian or barbarian?

[@jjforcebreaker]

Very good talk, Louise is always great to listen to. Thanks for having her!

[@carltwelve2170]

My mother was a part of NOW in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s and she did not want to have to go out into the world to work. She told me she did not want to be a man and have to fight in the office. And the most important thing she could do was raise us children. The next generation. She chose to fight in the PTA for us. And to fight in the church, for women around the world.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

She never fought for women. Get real. Furthermore being an educated self-sufficient employed adult woman is not being a man.

[@Veracityseeker7]

​@@wyleecoyotee4252 🤡 comment

[@heathernorton7850]

​@@wyleecoyotee4252the Church has done more good in the world for mistreated people than anything else in history. You can pretend that's not true if it's what you need to do to get through the day, and I think most of us, practically speaking, would just come down on the side of "Opinions aside, stay out of the way, Church at work.", so it changes nothing. For example: why did people in the western world stop, for the most part and until killing new humans before they're born became a thing, abandoning unwanted newborns to die of exposure? Because Christians started collecting and raising the ones they found, and as Christianity spread, so did its system of values, which taught that all people are image-bearers of God, and therefore no people- even helpless, dependent, unwanted newborns, or women, or disabled people, or fill-in-the-blanks-with-your-minority-of-choice- are disposable.

[@RobertMaguire67]

Belle, as a Christian studies interviewer has much more room to share her perspective and Louise is quite interesting and has such a rich and powerful emotional intelligence. Totally worth a listen gents!

[@timothy8142]

When you live in truth, masculinity is the natural normal state of men. And femininity is the natural normal state of women. Men desire to work, provide, and protect. Women desire to gather, nurture, and care. These are instincts that lie within the heart. Since the enlightenment, we have gone so far off the deep end of science and academics in terms of everything in our lives. Marriage is just a paper, love doesn't exist, people are replaceable, there's other fish in the sea, sex is like making a cup of coffee. We aren't animals, we are higher than the rest. We have societal laws, codes, languages, cultures, music. Over the last 400 years we slowly threw God away and with it we threw away the fact that we are human beings.

[@RJKYEG]

I think it was Theodore Dalrymple, in his book "Life at the Bottom" (I could be mistaken - but really interesting book) who went on a bit about how well-to-do but morally impoverished people have always flouted prudence and been able to afford to mitigate many of the consequences. Unfortunately those loose morals trickel through society to people who can't afford to deal with the negative consequences of their behaviour. For example, a wealthy yound bachelor can afford to pay for a child he fathered out of wedlock without marrying the mother, but most men typically don't have the money for that and have no decent options. So here's a radical idea, dont have sex with people you don't want to raise a child with.

[@charlesspilhaus4357]

Your last statement is 100 percent right!! Thank you.

[@heathernorton7850]

I'll go a bit further: Don't have sex with anyone who's not currently your spouse.

[@rosemaryalles6043]

This was brilliant. Thank you. 💚

[@asecmimosas4536]

When I was in University, a man was accused of sexual assault. He was in our group of ethnic minority students, I did not know him personally. There were some other guys like him who were later accused. Afterwards, we had talks and workshops, we already had them but more than the usual about consent and the like. And one organizer at such an event expressed great frustration "the guys who need this talk are not here, only the guys who would never do this are here." I think that was reality in a nutshell. If a guy is intent on getting what he wants, he is not going to attend your consent workshop.

[@CraigAnderson-h2h]

Something ironic occured decades ago, during the so-called sexual revolution. Back in the 1950's I'd see couples smooching in public, walking hand in hand, hugging openly...it seemed quite natural. Then that demonstrative behavior between the sexes, in public, started to vanish to the point I haven't seen those things in many years. How did this happen, and why? I have yet to see anyone mention this phenomenon.

[@SA-vz7qi]

54:32 Louise is kind to the New Athiests. Simply pointing out high level intellectual weaknesses. Some would go for the humorous aspects of it. The whole movement collapsed and fragmented because a man asked a women if she wanted to come to his room for coffee in an elevator. Also Richard Dawkins was offendedcand stumped when mid discussion with Junathan Sachs, Sachs declared "oh, I understand now you are a Christan Athiest." Sacgs then having to explain how many of his 'pure logical' conclusions were simply Christian doctrine any not inevitable logical end points.

[@tomsmith6513]

I thought the atheist movement was invincible and would never be derailed. Then Rebecca Watson showed up. I thought the feminist movement was invincible and would never be derailed. Then the trans activists showed up and started demanding being allowed into women's bathrooms and women's sports.

[@viviennedunbar3374]

⁠@@tomsmith6513 and so many atheists suddenly decided that Gender Ideology was true and it has become their new religion. Absolutely bizarre. So much for critical thinking.

[@gethimrock]

⁠@@tomsmith6513when a man stops believing in God he doesn’t start believing in nothing, he believes anything. - GK Chesterton “What has been, that will be; what has been done, that will be done. Nothing is new under the sun” - Ecclesiastics 1:9

[@mkkrupp2462]

@@tomsmith6513 I agree with you completely about the trans activists , but it has nothing to do with feminism - as feminists Germaine Greer and JK Rowling would readily agree. It’s more to do with some radical members of the gay lobby and some far left activists.

[@skylinefever]

I saw the "New Atheism" as people raised or surrounded God's crappiest people. The kind of people who will have hellfire and brimstone sermons until the subjects are borderline paranoid schizophrenic.

[@vanessajanik4623]

I’m a 40 yr old married Christian woman who is also a mother & I’m American.. Louise is right, the points made in the book are pretty obvious but I can understand how the younger generation wouldn’t know these things. There were a few things that I learned & I do appreciate the statistics & specific examples but yeah I agree w/most of her conclusions. It’s kind of like duh men & women are different & duh sex is special & better in long term committed relationships & duh porn is harmful … and duh having social ethical restrictions is actually healthy & helpful. But boy is our current culture trying to pretend these aren’t realities.

[@joedatius]

forcing people to act the way you want is just plain evil. its not everyone else's burden that who had a shitty sex life

[@StimParavane]

At its root, Feminism is a set of rationalizations for selfish behaviour. What feminists have yet to realise is that selfish behaviour only ultimately leads to suffering. It is selfless behaviour that actually leads to happiness, both for oneself and for others.

[@mobilityproject3485]

Since 1960, yes

[@mkkrupp2462]

If you’re a woman, I wish a Time Machine would take you back to the 1950’s and beyond. Or to some conservative Islamic country of today ……you have no idea!

[@StimParavane]

@@mkkrupp2462 You mean when women were actually a lot happier according to themselves. Promiscuity, abortion and homosexuality are all immoral. Being greedy, selfish and arrogant only leads to suffering. Why are single and childless women in their 40s the ones eating most of the anti-depressants? And how about Only Fans?

[@mobilityproject3485]

@@mkkrupp2462 how about going to Israel? The gender roles are weak but the family values are strong (you think this is impossible...)

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

What do you consider selfish behavior?

[@stevenharris4406]

Should we stop taking men as a monolith group and accept that “men” exhibit a range of behaviors. So to expect more of men is to ignore that there is a very specific subset of the group that is responsible for the majority of deviant behavior.

[@timregan5615]

When Louise says "I actually have a long essay about this coming up, which I think I'll get in a lot of trouble for" does anyone have a link to the essay please?

[@louisemcknoulty2163]

What is the authors name referenced at 47 minutes about the first sexual revolution?

[@roysuttontv]

Louise Perry is an intelligent voice and makes some very interesting observations.

[@nilsdannemann]

Wow, Louise Perry absolutely brilliant and 100% needed right now. "Sexual disenchantment" is a wonderful phrase...

[@aianmacpherson6190]

Wow. Just wow. Brilliant conversation.

[@peternewman7940]

So what did Aaron Sibarium write? (presumably not the Sparium of the transcript)

[@oneangelbug]

"(True) Feminism comes out of Christianity & is completely reliant on Christian moral principles." Yes!

[@dannysullivan3951]

Nonsense. Feminism has been struggling g against biblical patriarchy from the onset.

[@heathernorton7850]

​@@dannysullivan3951she said "true" feminism, not the misogynistic fake feminism that became dominant in the latter half of the 20th century. They're two very, VERY different animals. Actual feminism values women as highly as men which, funnily enough, is the very reason that so many initial converts to Christianity were women- who were commonly undervalued and mistreated in the dominant surrounding culture at the time, while the dominant prevailing political idea of feminism today claims that women are fundamentally defective compared to men and must become men- or as much like them in behavior, thoughts, and feelings as is possible- to become free/powerful/liberated/good enough/pick your adjective.

[@dannysullivan3951]

@@heathernorton7850 If that were in fact true, women (and men) wouldn’t be abandoning Christianity in droves. Christianity has been misogynistic from very nearly the beginning, as have most major religions. We can thank Christianity, as practiced in the modern world, for domestic abuse and clerical abuse of children, pretty much all of the denigration and objectification of women. I am a believer in Jesus, but the Church hierarchy has never treated women as equals. Let me know when a woman becomes Pope.

[@dannysullivan3951]

@@heathernorton7850 I'm sorry but Christianity and feminism have very little in common. In fact most religion is distinctly misogynistic. You can say that pedophile priests aren't truly christian, you can say that fundamentalist christians aren't truly christian, you can pretend that it's just accidental that there are no women popes, or cardinals, but very few people are fooled, which is why so many have left the church. And that applies to most other religions as well. And without the feminism of the latter half of the 20th, women would be still be stuck as nurses and secretaries, rather than doctors and CEO's.

[@AzetheReal]

This is timely. I’ve fully grasped how sex affected me and thankfully, thru discipline, casual sex is still something I abhor to have sexually. Calling it casual even feels dismissive to the contrasting importance I place on have healthy sex. First exposure to this podcast and I’m grateful.

[@tmwii8795]

Not having a stable family structure seem to be a root cause. Good fathers develop boys into good men. Fathers also help girls develop agency and accountability. A little heavy with “expect more from men”. I don’t think there’s a strong case feminism has helped men; quite the opposite. My real fear is it’s actually creating misogyny. Good discussion though. If I’m listening and feel compelled to comment…..you’ve succeeded in thought generation.

[@Heatwave9000]

Its women raising these men alone...

[@mkkrupp2462]

@@Heatwave9000 Well, these naughty women should be sent right back to their husbands then - to be the victims of marital rape and domestic abuse. They should be forced to submit and know their place. Alternatively - let the separated husbands have the 24/7 responsibility for looking after their sons….

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

What good fathers?

[@Jannette-mw7fg]

Thank you! One thing I am missing in this conversation is that it is impossible to protect girls and women if a man can call himself a woman and get away with it, even legaly....

[@I999-g2s]

Louise Perry is an incredibly smart woman (as so many women undeniably are). She is coming dangerously close to realising the reality of modern feminism actually being entirely the product of and strengthening further, the patriarchy that she is so reluctant to mention. God speed Louise

[@joangratzer2101]

THE TRUTH? GOD FORGOT TO GIVE WOMEN A SEX DRIVE.

[@youtubeyoutube936]

?????

[@gumdeo]

Second-wave feminism does appear to come from elite men.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

​@@joangratzer2101 Women have sex drive

[@Discussion4Peace]

Replace the word patriarchy with capitalism if you want to speak the truth

[@kwanxin9506]

general question about the format of the show. Is there any reason why u guys limit this to about 1 hr only? i feel like these can go on much longer.

[@grannyannie2948]

I agree, an hour is now the shallow end of the long form discussion.

[@rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr1]

Could you really bear listening to Belle's voice for more than an hour?

[@awsambdaman]

Louise is the female Jordan Peterson. Novel ideas to our age that just hit home. Her conception of patriarchy is so accurate. I thought feminists were just delusion when they were speaking about patriarchy but I see her point now. She said on Chris Williamsons podcast “you love your mother..you don’t necessarily respect her though” and it just made so much sense. I think the solution to this is to attribute status to feminine characteristics. Which I think is actually pretty possible because status can be attributed to a lot of different things. This would help men and women both because if you think about it, a lot of the things men and women get made fun of for are feminine things. “You’re soft” is a big insult to a man but is still an insult to a woman too. But “you’re hard” is a compliment to both

[@peternewman7940]

Yes a "girl" is a term of mockery for a man who is thought to be weak. In reality it is the mockers who are weak.

[@Vindicador01]

Don't let this distract you from the fact that we incels are right, women have it very easy

[@seriousoldman8997]

Don't insult her.

[@rmv4646]

43:35 how do you get around wanting women to do anything they want while they CHOOSE the bad boy, but wanting them to be safe?

[@murielbrown3013]

How on earth can abortion ever be 'self defense'? How are babies ever the attackers that people need protection from? How can killing an unborn child because of the wrong actions of someone else ever be justified?

[@blakknasa]

Watching the entire thing was worth it for that lightning fast walk at 58:41

[@heatherwoods5703]

God's ways continue to be proven to be good and right. "Taste and see that the Lord is good."

[@mkkrupp2462]

Well, if he does exist, he’s somewhat of an absent landlord, is all that I can say….

[@ClaireCopeland-n6y]

Not if we pay the rent.

[@heatherwoods5703]

@@mkkrupp2462 would you prefer He made us to be robots, or do you like having free will?

[@effygram8159]

Louise is just fantastic! What she said about the vulnerability and value of unborn children was great. 8,500 of them killed in Ireland last year.

[@TheSulross]

all the while the Irish govt is actively replacing native Irish with unassimilated foreigners (all Western govts are doing the exact same thing)

[@peternewman7940]

Always surprising that women who remain vulnerable in a host of ways themselves, advocate for the destruction of the most vulnerable - the unborn.

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

​@@TheSulross YT is not the place for racist propaganda

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

Well no - 10.000 women were saved - it's their body and their choice. Most of them do that because of health reasons and they have children already.

[@TheSulross]

@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 "YT is not the place for racist propaganda" If that were true then none of the nonsense that pushes DEI, ESG, and WEF ideology would be allowed as it's racist to the hilt - it's all predicated on a vehement racism toward Western civilization and especially the people that gave rise to Western civilization.

[@zalacainbilbao]

It could be argued that the drop in status in both teaching and medicine is not due so much to the feminisation of those professions, but to their becoming run by the state. Private school teachers or doctors in private hospitals are well-paid and respected, independently of their sex.

[@thelimey351]

*becoming run by the state* Bingo.

[@douglasbodenhamer931]

And which group predominantly voted for greater state control and appalling school policies? The answer is in your post.

[@gPrussia11]

Public school teacher here. Privet schools pay worse. Significantly worse.

[@mkkrupp2462]

@@thelimey351 Private school education aside, i reckon essential services like water and energy, maybe trains and the Post Office too, should remain in the hands of the people ie be State owned. Probably also the manufacture and supply of pharmaceutical drugs too - of at least be heavily regulated by the State. The bottom line for corporations is always the almighty $ .

[@thelimey351]

@@mkkrupp2462 That's a really bad idea, state run businesses should be avoided wherever possibly, they are corrupt & horribly inefficient (look at the BBC), private companies under strict regulation are better.

[@simonl2072]

If you have self worth don't be used. It's a weird world when that is conceived as a new message.

[@su....]

i am 68. in the cultures i grew up in, it was obvious that the value placed on males was much greater than females. even to the giving birth of a male child.

[@britneyt9253]

Hi just curious, what culture? And in what ways do they value makes more than female

[@Heatwave9000]

Except men have always been seen as disposable, men are by far the majority of deaths in war...

[@mkkrupp2462]

@@britneyt9253 I’m 70 and raised in a western country. Prior to the mid 1970’s women were treated socially, politically, legally and financially as second class citizens. It was the feminist movement of professional women, including certain female lawyers and businesswomen, that changed that. It should be viewed as separate from the sexual revolution of the 1960’s which came about as a result of the Pill and the push by advertising, tv and SOME feminists to ‘try it before you buy it’ .

[@realdiculous1]

​@@mkkrupp2462Because they were lied to by rich familes, men gave these women the privileges they now have, and it was a mistake.

[@churblefurbles]

The ones who "let them off the hook" first disarm the social/legal policing as they want exposure to danger, and then are surprised at the consequences. These are the views evolved for child rearing, not applicable to running a society.

[@jasonvance4801]

Louise Perry agrees with radical feminism on the issues of prostitution and pornography, 12:00? That’s not the Louise Perry I’m listening to on other videos. 🤷‍♂️

[@Vmcgee234]

She doesn’t. She likely argues with radical feminists on their pro abortion and anti marriage stance.

[@mpex1980]

So Sex in the City is actually Absolutely Fabulous but no one got the joke.

[@terry9238]

Actually, everybody knew it was a joke.

[@jimijamesatlantian4423]

Thank you ❤

[@freyagoldilocks]

Love Louise Perry! 😍😍😍 She’s like a more concise, convivial version of Jordan Peterson! 😂 Some great insights!

[@aquious953]

I see an increasing amount of "poly, sex positive and ethical cheating" on dating sites.

[@mobilityproject3485]

Greenwashing. All of it destroys families and isolated children.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

I see alot of hetero cheating on dating sites

[@humanrays]

And you have to pay to have access to the filters that exclude such people. Ugh.

[@eltyo340]

This whole conversation felt like they were all tipoeing on glass, not trying to make any sound. Maybe her book has some more interesting content, but not sure I learnt anything new from this conversation.

[@nez2598]

I've see her interviewed much better than here.

[@pixie3458]

The physical aspect of sex is radically different for men and women too

[@peterboos930]

Loved this

[@coutureleotards]

Oh Rome why will you not listen. Its interesting how some behaviors don't change from the first books written about it. 🤔 I suppose decision making being a higher intelligence is a bitter sweet. Excited to read the book, and great conversation.

[@artmanjohn2]

Great interview! Being an American, I sometimes have trouble understanding what these people are actually saying sometimes. I turned on the captions so I could understand all that was said. I saw Louise Perry in another interview recently and she is particularly hard to understand, all her words sound mumbled together under her breath. It's like when she speaks she doesn't articulate each syllable or word, like it's kind of all mumbled together in a word salad! It's not all British speaking people but the accent that Louise Perry has is especially hard to make out. Am I crazy? I know all British accents are different and have their own attributes/sounds and ways of pronouncing words. I noticed that when she speaks, certain vowel sounds are not articulated or even sometimes just dropped off. Just got to get use to it I guess.

[@peterdixon7734]

It is Received Pronunciation, mate: essentially Hanoverian German: English as spoken by the King which filtered down through the Court, the aristocracy and then the middle class, eventually being known as "BBC English". Some mild word-clipping and word slurring reflects public school and Oxbridge affectations. There are many other British accents: look up Bristol, Newcastle, East Glasgow and Cornwall/Jethro.

[@bnjmnwst]

Hey guys, just a suggestion. I don't know how difficult it would be to somewhat change or modify the format, but I think it would be great if each of you separately, or the two of you together would give a final thought at the end of each episode. Might be a terrible idea, for any number of reasons, but I'd certainly enjoy something along those lines. Great interview, though! Love the podcast!

[@Portekberm]

How did I not know about this channel!

[@rp011051]

a solution based on the Ken Wilber 4 quadrant model is needed

[@rp011051]

In the west, legal consent is more important than intangible emotional consent, Emotions are not acceptable as being relevant

[@robingow7276]

You to always be aware of your surroundings. Don’t take the risk and take care of yourself

[@r.walker7986]

Before the sexual revolution sex was not enchanting, it was duty. People often were not even physically attracted to one each other. It was called wifely duties for a reason.

[@kwazooplayingguardsman5615]

Duty is an enchantment, it is the ideation that something is more profound than immediate pleasure (which there is and people are finding it out the hard way) and that it is worth it to forgo immediate pleasure for that ultimate pleasure.

[@r.walker7986]

@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 no its not.

[@kwazooplayingguardsman5615]

​@@r.walker7986 yes, it is LMAO, do you think duty is someone an innate instinct? it is derived from long term thinking.

[@r.walker7986]

@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 Lying on your back e3 times a week and spreading your legs to be invaded by some fat man with a 2 incher you never wanted to marry but had to becasue as a woman you had no good options is not enchanting....

[@mkkrupp2462]

@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 OK. Let’s try stopping sex halfway into the act then - before men reach climax. I’m sure they’d really appreciate “forgoing the immediate pleasure”.

[@user-gv6kd9sv6j]

It’s a bit weird she thinks about it as women trying to be men. Let people do what they wanna do instead of telling them something is not natural because of their anatomy… every person should be allowed to decide for themselves what is natural for them.

[@cellbiologyshorts9105]

I think we can see her character arc

[@rikkiharcourt3868]

Since time began women have taken very seriously raising their children. Most but not all. I have always thought that the sexual side of my marriage should be taken very seriously. I have never taken the view that sex is a light hearted entertainment. In fact I once asked my husband if he viewed having access to his wife’s body was similar to a dog peeing up a lamp post to say this woman is mine. He said a very strong yes. I felt something similar in relation to him and would have cut any woman looking at him as a recreation with horror and cut her down to size very rapidly. It’s an feasible animal reaction I think.

[@joangratzer2101]

THE TRUTH? GOD FORGOT TO GIVE WOMEN A SEX DRIVE.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

​@joangratzer2101 Women have plenty of sex drive

[@kiqueenbees]

Christian virtues have been overruled for paganism and it's self serving indulgences. For me people have their own level of spiritual trascendence. Patrick White wrote about it in his 'Tree of Man'. For our times, 'As in the days of Noah'. Feminist rebellion against the perceived Church Patriarchy stemmed from 19thC ideas based on the occult.

[@gumdeo]

So feminism is basically witchcraft.

[@mkkrupp2462]

What century are you speaking from? Oh, the Dark Ages - when many thousands of women were burned at the stake.

[@peternewman7940]

Before we bring back witch trials maybe we should be thanking those early feminists for bringing women the vote. And for fighting for women to not face discrimination in the work place? Or should we return to the dark ages and trials based on paranoia? And torture?

[@ssing7113]

If if Louise is the “ideal feminist”. What is her view on divorce being initiated 90% by women when college educated? What is her view on no fault divorce? And people can leave anytime they feel like it What is her view on leas then half men getting less then 50/50 custody ? What is her view on pair bonding? What is her view on 30% of women over 30 on SSRI if they’ve gotten feminism and “equal rights” now? What is her view that men were drafted with voting rights. So should women be included if a draft happens?

[@reginasemenenko148]

Lol.

[@davidr9589]

If women don't believe in God, don't need a family, children or a man, have a college education... then why so much prescription drug use? Why aren't they content and happy??

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

She's not ideal nor a feminist

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

About 25% of the entire population is on SSRI'S. What was the % on psych drugs in the 1950's with Wives Syndrome when they couldn't cope and were on Valium and were day drinkers?

[@skylinefever]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 Indeed, I fail to see how being on SSRIs was that much different from washing barbiturates down with alcohol, and chain smoking.

[@davidhaight5594]

She's brilliant

[@soundofsilence21]

I have much respect for Louise Perry, she is so thoughtful and precise, and I find her willingness to be accused of extremism for refusing to hold insanely radical views a breath of fresh air. What I don't understand is how she can hold a very traditional view of marriage while still clinging to radical feminist ideas on prostitution and pornography ... those seem rather opposing worlds, and I don't see how she can hold to one (marriage) without undermining support for the other (prostitution and pornography). It will be interesting to see if her views change over time. I can't help but see how the erosion of support and even respect for marriage in our culture has declined with the mainstreaming of prostitution and porn, both of which are completely normalized and liberated from shame. It seems to me the path back to marriage has to involve re-shaming of anti-marriage activities like prostitution and pornography.

[@skylinefever]

People would choose marriage and not other things if it was genuinely worth it to them. The last thing the world needs is people who don't really want to get married and raise kids, but do it anyway because they were conned by the life script.

[@soundofsilence21]

@@skylinefever it will be interesting to see how well it works out when a significant percentage of young adults opt out of marriage and parenting. Sounds like a great way to invite the many serious social ills associated with population decline

[@skylinefever]

@@soundofsilence21 Works better than making people have kids they hate.

[@soundofsilence21]

@@skylinefever last I checked no one is forcing anyone to have kids. If the younger generation wants to destroy their own civilization that's on them

[@Vmcgee234]

I believe she is not specifically for pornography or prostitution..

[@JR-bj3uf]

Hugh Hefner might have benefited superficially from the sexual revolution but his life ended up being a nightmare. He was an old man trapped by the myth of endless virility and endless sex.

[@Discussion4Peace]

False rape accusations are huge crimes that cannot be forgiven - each time a bad woman lies, we lose trust in the women who were actually assaulted.

[@tech1964]

Belle Tindall can't go 5 minutes without directing the conversation to what men should or shouldn't do. Why?

[@BedboundME]

Marriage and committed sexual unions were a way for early tribes to ensure their survival and also cement bonds inter community and between communities, as well as, if there is polygamy, satisfy the male desire but in an ordered way. It wasn’t necessarily or at all about love. A lot of this no longer the case and marriage has become and romance and mutual & individual fulfilment. The Jewish /Christian marriage eg Mary & Joseph was arranged marriage, a world away from our current model.

[@sarahrobertson634]

The "satisfaction" of male desire is impossible. The only real option for men is self discipline. Even dogs can be trained to control themselves.

[@kwazooplayingguardsman5615]

​@@sarahrobertson634 with the advent of the pill, it looks like the same with women, they lack self discipline.

[@BedboundME]

@@sarahrobertson634 well you’d hope 4 wives would do it , that is what was settled on else where. Christianity dictated one but turned away whilst divine right kings used prostitutes and mistresses

[@sarahrobertson634]

@@BedboundME Males learning to control themselves would be the best option.

[@r.walker7986]

it was a poor mans way of ensuring that resources would be passed down to biological progeny and a way to ensure more men always had access to sex becasue most women dont want most men and if women were allowed sexual autonomy, most men would die alone and never have a opportunity to have sex or offspring. It was not about love, not about female pleasure, it was about satiating men's desires and power.

[@wmarkfish]

Motherhood should be venerated like Our Lords Mother is venerated and the economy should have The Mother at its center. Make chivalry popular if not mandatory.

[@mkkrupp2462]

OK - as long as the ‘economy’ pays mothers a full time salary.

[@SA-vz7qi]

2:17 Real odd vibes from that comment. Just makes me think of a 1990s British Youth Pastor dressed like they from Compton...

[@hardyje1915]

terrible camera angles

[@rickstockton6382]

Good point! Sexual disenchantment is a hallucination.

[@lilnallie05]

Economically left and culturally right I think that describes me very well 🤔 I’m stealing this.

[@johnisaacfelipe6357]

stop thinking in those terms, utterly inane.

[@gPrussia11]

Economically and culturally right but environmentally left 😂

[@mkkrupp2462]

@@gPrussia11 Which makes it a real problem who to vote for !

[@peternewman7940]

You have a choice between voting for those who would constrict the health services, education opportunities and incomes of the poor on one hand or those who would destroy the most vulnerable - that is the unborn - on the other. Who represents voters facing those choices?

[@Tamar-sz8ox]

Sex and money are 2 of the most powerful forces on the planet 🌎, they can bring either great light or extreme darkness into your life and the world , . and therefore should be handled with care. It’s not about preaching to people about “ morality “ it’s straightforward cause and effect . Avoid chaos and negativity eg unwanted pregnancy, STDs , abuse , anger , violence , pain , jealousy , false accusations , addictions on and on

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

So all those men and husbands should never complain about not getting s3x?

[@evanhadkins5532]

It'd be interesting to see a conversation between Louise and Tom Holland.

[@skylinefever]

Well, maybe it should have been made special by something other than hellfire and brimstone purity culture sermons. Some people who had to suffer those can't even enjoy sex properly when married, due to flashbacks. 57:28 If the pendulum swings, I dread how wildly it will swing in the other direction and destroy all kinds of stuff in the way. I just think about how bad LGBWTF activism is now, but how much better was it to ship people off to mental hospitals or camps and treat them like lab rats? 58:49 Such choices need good incentives, otherwise few choose them. I joke about how many people choose otherwise, because "I makes sky daddy weep" isn't a very good disincentive anymore. Just think about how many people did things because "God commands it."

[@grannyannie2948]

In the 70s as a child I didn't know anyone who was not nominally Christian. The curriculum in government schools included reading the Bible and learning the basic tenets of Christianity. I don't remember any fire and brimstone. And I don't think it harmed my generations attitude to sex. Louise is right, historically this pendulum does swing. How far it will swing will I believe depend on how long it takes to swing. That's how pendulums work, the further they swing in one direction, the further they will swing back. Had the pendulum swinged in the 1980s it would not swing as far as it would today but it didn't do this then. You specifically raise the question of the LGBT+ community. Ultimately I think that will depend on how they and their activists behave. Presently, even the most socially conservative have a will to put them in mental hospitals. But they do want them outside of the mainstream, and kept right away from children and schools. I think how far this might shift depends on how hard this community pushes for access to children, as this is the issue that turns people from merely being sick of them, to finding them discusting and threatening. So it depends on them, and at the moment they are not doing themselves favours. Outside of religion, more and more people see incentives for a more traditional life. People are recognising advantages of happiness etc. This recognition is in fact the pendulum.

[@felixgarnet]

LGBT+ people do have our own children, you know.

[@grannyannie2948]

@@felixgarnet I don't understand your point.

[@viviennedunbar3374]

“Fire and brimestone” sermons in Christianity was always rare and is more Calvinist and only common in fundamentalist parts of the US. As a Catholic I have NEVER heard a sermon like this about sex and in fact I don’t know if I even heard a sermon on sexual ethics. It’s more taught that happy marriage brings you joy (married couples have the most sex and are most happy with their sex lives) and the safest and best place statistically to raise children is with and by their biological parents. I think divorcing sex from procreation and the well-being of children is what makes people obsess about only sex and not it’s results.

[@grannyannie2948]

@@viviennedunbar3374 I'm Australian and I've never even heard of a "fire and brimstone" serman. Even when we were almost universally Christian, almost everyone was Anglican (Church of England) or Roman Catholic. Both are very moderate faiths, preaching forgiveness and love thy neighbour. I think many online post what they believe or have been told happens in churches without having gone to one. I believe in what you say about separating sex from marriage and procreation. I would add that Christian marriages could, historically be quite informal, so many more people are actually married, than is recognised today.

[@mstamper77]

Funny, I never gave a crap about pleasing anyone except myself. 64 years old now. No kids, no marriage, no pets, great partner, great sex, great hobbies, wonderful spirituality. Didn’t miss a thing.

[@PrivateCitizen-w8s]

Living in a fantasy world is unhealthy. Ignoring thousands of years of trial and error in that was recognized in most culture is illogical and ignorant at best and destructive as norm.

[@evanhadkins5532]

People who are less strong can defend themselves effectively.

[@dannysullivan3951]

Louis Perry calls herself a feminist, but she’s really selling ‘family values’.

[@KyngD469]

So feminists cant/dont/shouldn't promote family values? Interesting

[@dannysullivan3951]

@@KyngD469 “family values” refers politically to those opposing same-sex marriage, birth control, sex ed, abortion divorce, secularism etc. It’s a conservative position.

[@jameshirst7495]

Surely a better moral and insightful argument than being an OnlyFans degenerate whore selling their body for a cheap buck to thirsty simps?

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

She's not a feminist

[@rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr1]

@@dannysullivan3951 Such friend-enemy distinctions poison movements and make you ripe for manipulation and control.

[@Raymond-d2l7n]

Lust is heavy, Love is light ~ Meher Baba

[@balazsfoldes4700]

I hate this feminist notion to say that "Men just shouldn't assault women" and claiming women ought to take precautions is defeatist. We don't act that out in any other regard. No one thinks it's smart to leave your front door wide open, and complain about the lack of education to not burgle when someone breaks in. Sure, we should arrest burglars (and expect better from men), but also if you live in a bad neighbourhood, lock your damn door!

[@rickstockton6382]

Christianity and Evolutionary Sociology work together because they both deal with reality, even though they disagree on the genesis of the current reality that we both see.

[@rickstockton6382]

Nature and nurture can interact, for instance Nurture causing certain behaviors in a way that is ti the disadvantage of certain certainn Natural characteristics in such a way as to remove them from teh gene pool.

[@skylinefever]

Indeed. Many focus on nurture, as if someone can teach the Idiocracy to be smart. Nobody likes the idea that not everyone is an unlimited blank slate.

[@AnaBrigidaGomez]

22:00 the shoes episode was probably the most obvious this people are horrible episode of the entire run.

[@wendellbabin6457]

39:21 MEN can't do that either! They are just slightly more physically capable in a one on one. Make these scenarios into armed versus NOT and the playing field levels somewhat. The only real issue is sex as the end goal really. Personally, I think the statistics bear out that the vast bulk of these back alley scenarios she is describing would be almost eliminated by LIFE sentences for second offense sexual assault. Bluntly, RAPE. And FIRST should be contingent on DEEP psycho-therapy outcome by specialists in THIS crime. Probably a team, because I don't think male OR female therapists can be objective for this offense. Same for Judges and prosecutors either. Sadly, though, I don't think this can ever happen when women are trying to equate the back alley scenario with a desperate husband in a dysfunctional sexless marriage that cannot be redeemed by "therapy" who has several too many and confuses signals due to his desperation with the EXACT SAME scenario and the exact same consequences as RAPE. This book and podcast should be addressing SEXLESS, monogamous "Christian" hopeless marriage. Most churches acknowledge, but do nothing about in some twisted "Anti, or POST Patriarchal"... abomination that produces results nobody is happy with. And then the Divorce Court Rape should be discussed as well probably. The fact that "traditional" marriages are staying solvent merely to avoid a WORSE disaster for BOTH, or maintain the farce until the kids are grown and "Gray-Divorce" later to save what is left of their humanity and sanity later. I'm not sure which audience the podcast caters to. If there are any sane, married (in name and obligations only) folks. You should poll any say married over 5 years with at least two rug-rats and get them to rate their level of dead bedroom. And the second should probably be joint income versus whatever British equvalent of a US Postal Zip Code would be.

[@vanessajanik4623]

51:30 another “duh” point. The value of the unborn. Yep. It’s the only logically consistent conclusion for the Christian.

[@Tellmewhy235]

Prove that we have a deep intuitive feeling that sex is special…

[@ribeirojorge5064]

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