1 John 1:9 Bible Study | Christians Don't Need To Ask To Be Forgiven - Here's Why

[@92foxcarguy21]

I was taught this daily cleansing for uninterupted fellowship... It has been a trap for me for years and years 25+... introspection, perfectionism, and obsession with confessing sin... i didnt want to be out of fellowship even for a moment... this false teaching tormented me for years... Rom 8:1 there is no no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus!... I am working now to let go of this false teaching... it is hard because i have done it for so long... i would actually get so frustrated I would just give in to sin because i got tired of confessing it obsessively... so it actually pushed me more toward sin... Great explanation thank you

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

Amen brother. The truth will always set us free. ❤️

[@MetanoiaAndBelieve]

​@@jesuswithoutreligionI know you've answered a lot of my questions and I don't want to be a bother again to you, I just fall into habitualness when it comes to this first John 1:9 apparently. So I just want to clarify we don't ask for forgiveness we don't confess our sins to God because we're already forgiven and because he already knows the sins we do before we do them additionally they're all ready forgiven past present and future the moment we Believe on the Jesus. I really feel like I'm upsetting God right now in a lot of ways because of my lack of getting it so to speak. My biggest fear among many others is confessing of sins which I think is dead works and I don't want that. It just makes logical sense to me why would anybody need to confess their sins to Father God who are saved and forgiven of all their sins. The answer is they wouldn't because God's already forgiven the individual of all their sins the moment they believed on Jesus Christ alone to save them. And I can't find any other scriptures in the New testament prescribing any new believer to confess sins to Father God. And if I'm wrong on that please correct me. But I see no scriptures in the New testament prescribing Born again believers to confess their sins and ask for forgiveness from God anywhere. Which leads me to believe that one needs to simply thank the Lord for forgiving them only. I know I'm a sinner and I send against my holy God more than I know. And there's times that I get into these habits and homologio or tell Lord God hey I messed up hey I did this hey I did that thank you for forgiving me. I don't know if that prescription is appropriate or not but one thing is for sure I do thank God that I'm forgiven. The point being I just want to get this first nailed down I know it's for unbelievers I know it's not geared at all towards believers because 1 John 1 did not open up with a greeting to the brethren and the greeting that it occur until chapter 2. Please correct me brother in Christ if I'm wrong anywhere in my message here. I want to be rebuked if needed corrected if needed I want to understand the truth for the love of God! Help me make this make sense.

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

@@MetanoiaAndBelieve you're welcome to ask questions anytime. And yes, you are correct, you do not have to ASK for forgiveness over and over if you are a Christian. If you've already received Christ, your forgiveness remains. And I assure you, you're not upsetting God. Even on your worst day. He loves you. He died and took your sins on His shoulder. I feel like you've probably been under a lot of bad teaching. If you have time, let me ask you to consider watching the video below. I think it will really help clarify your understanding of the entire Bible. I keep it very simple, but it is a little long.. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWWqm6JubZV5mZY

[@MetanoiaAndBelieve]

@@jesuswithoutreligion you are 100% correct. I've sat underneath word of Faith teaching for 12 years. I've been to an independent fundamental Baptist Church since June of last year. I left from there late last year or this year completely due to legalistic teachings and things such as law abiding and mishandling of Scripture. At that Baptist Church the law was taught and the Old testament was primarily taught. Sure they would say say by grace through faith alone. But then they would say get water baptized because it's a command from Jesus. The Lord has woke me up so to speak in regards to certain things that I had questioned. Such as tithing. I've tried to share that with the pastor and I've been told to just sit down and be quiet basically. Ever since then I've been exposing falsehood. everything that the Lord has revealed to me has been wonderful. I truly don't know when I was saved. Seeing as how I had understanding this year, I really do believe it was this year. I know that God broke off all of the demonic torment I was facing back in June 2023 that I know. I just don't know when I was saved is all but I guess it doesn't really matter all that matters is I know Jesus is the son of God and I believe in him and he died for my sins on that cross he was buried And he rose again the third day. It wasn't until late last year like November or December that I understood where the gospel was located in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. It wasn't until January or February of this year that it hit me that I really am a sinner I really did break God's law and I understand the purpose of God's law which is to declares guilty before God according to Romans 3:19-20. I guess you could say my biggest thing is I don't want to pick up dead works such as asking God to forgive me or confessing my sins because God's already forgiven me of my sins so it just doesn't make any sense to do that. In other words I'm just afraid to pick up any part of the law unknowingly. I will at times slip up yes. But then I get corrected. I know that God knows. Due to all of that bad teaching from the last 12 years, I deal with scrupulous pretty bad because of it now I think. And I really do pray that God break it off. Along with everything else that's hindering me and all the other bad stuff that I'd like to go away. I already struggle and deal with unwanted thoughts and here lately it's been a rough time being in the word let alone praying and I'm thinking I should draw back from certain individuals. I know that I am in Christ literally and he is literally in me. I know that positionally I am forgiven. Relationally I'm not sure if there is a relation, other than I'm in Christ. And from what I'm told that is the relationship/fellowship. If I'm wrong about any of that biblically please do correct me. I want correction I need correction. I don't physically go to a church any longer because the whole teach a bunch of systematic doctrine and mishandle scriptures. I would love to be around people of like faith but for my local area that's a no-go. I'm surrounded by a bunch of Catholics and a bunch of charismatics. And some other false churches. I'm kind of tempted to go back to the Baptist Church that I was going to back in June just to be around some people that I know and care about. But I don't think that would be a good idea because all they teach is law and I don't want to place myself in a bad situation. Any ideas?

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

@@MetanoiaAndBelieve my advice is allow people to be wrong. Be willing to give an account for the help that is within you. Be willing to share the good news that you've been enlightened to. If they don't want to receive it, don't let it get to you. Just move on. I think you'll find there are a lot of people that are offended by the gospel of grace, and I think Christianity is about you doing more so you can be more.

[@clemdawg4360]

I had to chime in here. I have been told we must confess sins to restore fellowship. No scripture supports that.

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

Agree. You are correct!

[@92foxcarguy21]

I was told the same... a terribly damaging false teaching!

[@bysdto]

Amen! I was born again in 1982. I was set FREE in 1991 when I understood the I was totally forgiven and I began thanking Jesus that I am forgiven! That’s faith verses unbelief!

[@demetriushall1810]

There was a group of Gnosticism going on back in the church (deceivers) . Andrew farley explains it well too. People needs to understand context. Great job breaking it down. 👏

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

Thanks. I too am a fan of Dr. Farley. Found his work many years ago, and he has motivated many of our messages.

[@kellydinitz6727]

This is excellent!! Finally makes sense to me!! One question…what does “confess your sins” mean. Surely we can’t be expected to confess every sin for salvation. Is this a way of saying we must acknowledge that we are sinners? (For the unbelivers)

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

Confess simply means "agree with God". So.... Yes, let's confess our sins to God. In other words, that's always agree with him that sin is bad. Yes, let's confess our sins to one another. Not as some religious lifeless method of obtaining forgiveness. Around and this is something we deal with people who are close to us, and it's done so that we can encourage each other, and pray for each other. Now, with all that said. As it applies to your salvation, the confession that saves us is a one time act. It's that moment we put our faith in Jesus as we recognize that we are sinners in need of a savior. In the moment we do that he will forever cleanse us of ALL of our sin. Watch out for those who treat salvation and confession as an ongoing method of retaining salvation. Those people are of a cult. Never be intimidated to boldly claimed the words "once saved always saved". The one saved always saved, only comes from the heart of someone who trust in the work of Jesus. Those that oppose this view are trusting in their human effort, and have very little, if any faith in Jesus. Thanks for joining the discussion :)

[@panoply13]

THIS IS EXCELLENT. YOU HAVE THE GIFT OF TEACHING AND INSIGHT. 😀😀😀👍👍👍♥️♥️♥️

[@Jesusandcoffee3382]

Excellent video of truth. Thanks, Brother.

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

Thank you for the kind words :)

[@DiscipleShaynePlaylist]

If you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart Jesus died and rose again you will be saved. This means you have a relationship with the Lord and you love Him. If you love someone and you do something that you think might or may have caused offence. you come to them and confess and tell them that you're sorry. and that you do love them. Thats why Jesus also tells us to be reconciled to our brother if we have or you may have sinned against them. Jesus is Alive!!! ⛪💕🏃‍♂💨🌏

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

It is true that if you confess with your mouth and believing your heart you will be saved. The problem is, there is a distorted version of that verse that is adding to it by suggesting something like “ if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart you will be saved, as long as you do it after each and every sin, because each time you sin, you lose your salvation and you have to start over again from scratch”. And that is not the gospel. Your sins are not being dealt with one at a time, and your forgiveness is not being activated by each individual confession. Anyone who believes that is putting their confidence in themselves and not Jesus. Indeed he is alive. Animal blood is the alternative. There are no longer alive. And that’s what Jewish forgiveness look like. Year after year of non-stop animal sacrifices. There’s a reason Jesus only died one time. And that’s because it work once for all.

[@DiscipleShaynePlaylist]

@@jesuswithoutreligion Hi, and thank you for your reply. Remember ALL Scripture is God breathed. and we are told to repent and to confess our sins, to God and yes also even in James to one another. Some other Bible verses to consider as you may grow in your christian walk with God. As a disciple i believe we should always not only be willing but wanting to learn and to grow. Some interesting things to consider. WHy or when does God say tell us to REMAIN in my love? that He is the vine and we are the branches. and branches that do not produce fruit get cut off. also about the olive tree and the wild tree and if original branches cut of and grafted back in again. again, also not to tread over the blood of Jesus, otherwise what else is there left to atone for your sins? John 1:9 IF you confess your sins He is Faithful to forgive us. its difficult to forgive someone who doesnt say sorry for their offence. And God although He is no man that He should lie, we are made in his image and interect with feelings. Does God get jealous, angry or love? If we forgive others their sins, He will forgive us, ours. so does our forgiving others sins have an influence on our salvation? some food for thought 🥖🥖🥖🥖 🐟🐟🐟🐟🔥🔥🍷🍷🍷🍷 Jesus iS Alive!!! ⛪⛪💕💕🏃‍♂🏃‍♂💨💨🌏🌏

[@Str8Ripper1776]

​@@DiscipleShaynePlaylistexcept repentance is a change of mind and not what you think it is.

[@innocentmwagilo406]

This helps a ton. God bless you sir. 🙌🏽

[@alexjaljl]

Gets me off the asking forgiveness everytime I sin merry-go-round... Well explained ..

[@panoply13]

If people want to CONFESS their sins, that is fine.

[@scriptureplz9045]

It's always fine to be in agreement with God on our sins, what is not fine thinking following old covenant law to maintain fellowship with Him isn't (Leviticus 5:5).

[@lindarabie7452]

You are such a breath of fresh air! Thanks for your uploads... they have been so precious to me these past few months.

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

Thank you for the encouraging words. In a world where legalism seems to dominate and reject grace (in its truest sense), kind words motivates us to keep sharing who Jesus really is for us. God bless you Linda :)

[@Bildad1976]

Praise God! In my 40 years of being a believer, you are only the 2nd person I’ve heard that correctly understands 1 JOHN! Around 1980, someone had given me a cassette tape of John MacArthur teaching 1st John. What I got from listening to MacArthur was the importance of identifying the pronouns IN EACH SECTION of 1 JOHN Chapter One (because the identity of “WE” changes between 1-5 and 6-10!). It’s crucial that one asks the questions: Who are “we”? Who are “you”? And “why is John talking to you?" FIRSTLY, "WHO ARE WE?" In the first paragraph (verses 1-4) of chapter 1, John identifies "WE" as... "those of us who have 'heard, seen, and touched the One from the beginning, the Word of Life (i.e. Jesus)'". So, "those of us knew Jesus personally (i.e. 'We Apostles')”. Try saying “WE APOSTLES” in place of “WE” in verses 1-4. It makes sense. SECONDLY, ‘WHO ARE YOU?” (i.e. Who is John addressing?) According to verse 3, John is addressing those who do not have fellowship with Christians or God. According to verses 1 and 8, John is also addressing those who believe (or have heard) Gnostic heresy ("flesh is evil", "Jesus didn't come in the flesh", "we humans can be sinless without Christ", etc.) THIRDLY, "WHY IS JOHN TALKING TO YOU?' From the second point (above), we saw that John is talking to UNBELIEVERS who believe (or have heard) Gnostic heresies, and John is inviting them to reject Gnostic heresies (verses 1-2 and 8-9) and become Christians (verse 3). So, 1 JOHN Chapter One is an evangelical polemic! [The remainder of the Epistle of John (chapters 2-5), is addressing believers, teaching and encouraging them.] FOURTHLY, in verse 6, John begins a series of hypotheticals (“If-Then” statements), and the “WE” is no longer “WE APOSTLES”, but now becomes (generally speaking) “WE HUMANS”! Try reading it that way (e.g., “If we Humans say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth”, etc.). So, in verse 9, it’s clear that John is telling UNBELIEVERS, UNSAVED, etc. that “If we (humans) confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” MacArthur says that the Greek word translated “confess” means “to agree with”, “to admit”, or “to say the same thing as”, so v.9 is saying that “if we humans admit we have sinned, and agree with God about our sins (i.e. that our sins have separated us from Him), then He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness”. This is something that happens with all humans who become believers (i.e. God forgives ALL of our sins at the point of salvation; past, present, and future). If 1 JOHN 1:9 is instructing Christians (as is traditionally taught and believed), then, tragically, it would teach that Christians have to continually be confessing each sin we commit, or God will not “forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness”! And since everyone commits sins ignorantly (unknowingly), then there’s no way we could be forgiven of all our sins, and NO ONE would inherit eternal life (i.e. we are ALL damned!).

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

Amen. Well spelled out.

[@Bildad1976]

@@jesuswithoutreligion Yeah, sorry for the length, but so many Christians suffer anxiety for misunderstanding verse 9. I don't know if you figured it out yourself, but much respect for teaching it! God Bless!

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

@@Bildad1976 Yep. I am with you.

[@10ccdd]

So, when we do fall and get back up … ? How do we recover?

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

Great question. If you asked me I’d say you’ve already recovered. You have overcome the law of sin and death. Your sins have been forgiven. You are justified. You are holy. God calls you blameless. So, the answer is simple. When we sin, simply stop. That’s it. No special words are needed. No begging. No pleading. Just stop doing the thing we died to. Live out our new identity. It really is that simple. We are not dirty sinners tying to live godly lives. We are clean Christians trying to avoid sinful temptations. But we have already recovered. We don’t need to somehow activate it over and over. You recovered through faith.

[@NOTOFWORKS289]

Beautiful teaching

[@cynthiagold9846]

Thank u. Allow me to add something. The English translators had a problem with some words since the English language is limited compared to Greek. The word confess(homologeo in Greek) in this verse would be rightly rendered acknowledge and not speak out your sins. Compare 1st John 1:9 and Rom 10:9. Now the Greek homologea rightly rendered acknowledge means to say in agreement with another. Forexample Rom 10:9 means say about Jesus What God says about him. Same with 1st John 1:9. If u say about your sins what God already says about then then u forgiven. Lemme bring it from the Complete Jewish Bible 1 Yochanan (1 Jo) 1:9 CJB If we acknowledge our sins, then, since he is trustworthy and just, he will forgive them and purify us from all wrongdoing.

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

Hi Cynthia. I am very familiar with the Greek language you’ve described. Often times make the point that when there’s a debate over a verse or chapter to simply look at it in the context of all scripture. People have to commit intellectual suicide if they think our sins are forgiven from any other way than blood. It’s not our continual confession that activates forgiveness. "Whosoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved". It is a once for all forgiveness. For anyone to imply that we are forgiven in small doses, little by little, sin by sin, is the equivalent of comparing the blood of Jesus to the blood of bulls and goats. Sure, let’s confess our sins. Let’s agree with God that they are wrong. Every Christian should feel that way. But let us not water down the perfect blood of Jesus and suggest that one moment you’re forgiven, but then, if you forget to verbally apologize or 'ask for forgiveness', then the blood of Jesus suddenly loses value. That is putting confidence in human flesh.

[@gregwolfe4881]

@@jesuswithoutreligion Great points! It doesn't teach that God "will" forgive believers "when" they confess sin because they've already been forgiven. After studying it (and I'm not a Greek student), I've come to understand that the aorist subjunctive doesn't indicate "when" forgiveness occurs, but it simply tells us it happened. It communicates the act, not the time of forgiveness. I also found that 1 Jn. 2:12, Eph. 4:32, and Col 2:13 are in the indicative mood and they tell us when, which was on the cross 2000 yrs ago. My understanding of what 1:9 teaches is that one who confesses sin, and those who are in Christ do, reveals that the forgiveness provided on the cross applies (not will apply) to them. Therefore, believers live in a state of forgiveness. I confess sins now not asking for forgiveness, but I admit my guilt and thank Him for the forgiveness He's already provided through the blood of Christ. I came to understand this truth of my total forgiveness, along with my true identity in Christ, about 30 years ago and they still have had the most transformative impact in my life than anything else. These truths have brought me much peace, rest and joy in my life.

[@chrisisasavage]

Great video.

[@nandking7225]

I think you need to understand the context of the letter and the problem of the gnostic who are deceiving christians.

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

I understand it quite clearly

[@g.alistar7798]

In the Koine Greek the word translated “confess” means to name or cite your sin. You are adding IF you think 1John 1:9 is making a plea for you to ask or plea for forgiveness for salvation….this is through faith in Jesus. There is no condemnation for those in Christ and our sins are forgive by the effectious sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. Still, sin the life of the Christian, does grieve or quench the filling of the Holy Spirit…we are commanded to be filled with the Spirit, to walk in the light, not to walk in darkness. The remedy for sin in the life of the Christian….is to name or cite that sin in prayer to God. Confession, a fundamental to abiding in Christ and walking worth of our high calling as adopted children of God is to admit/confess/name our sin to God thus, restoring the fellowship and walking in the light. The Way or abiding in Christ is not a human capability rather only thru the divine empowerment of the Holy Spirit can we walk in the light. Whenever you find yourself having committed a sin, name it/admit it to God and fellowship is restored….even IF you face the consequences for that sin.

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

Re: “we are commanded to be filled with the Spirit” We are not commanded to be filled with the Spirit. That is something that is automatically done the moment we are saying. We don’t get “more filled”. That sounds like Penecostal teaching which is a cult I'll stay 100 feet away from.. And I’m not sure why you’re sharing with me that we are called to 'walk in the light and not in darkness', no one has said otherwise. Re: The remedy for sin in the life of the Christian….is to name or cite that sin in prayer to God. You'll be hard-pressed to find a verse to put legs on that statement. The remedy for sin, in the life of a Christian is the blood of Jesus Christ. Without blood, there is no remedy. Hebrews 9:22 Re: a fundamental to abiding in Christ The term abiding simply means to live in. I live in Christ. Christ lives in me. That is a fact for every Christian. It is not some thing you work to do. You are redefining the word abide to be an action or verb, and that is not proper biblical context. There's absolutely no Christian, regardless of the good or bad decisions, they are making, that does not always abide in Christ. Re: restoring the fellowship There is no such teaching in all of scripture about Christians having a broken fellowship with Christ. If you are a Christian, your fellowship problem was taken care of on the cross. And while sin does quench the Spirit, it doesn’t interfere with our relationship with God. He will never leave us or forsake us. When we are faithless, he will remain faithful. The only thing that could break our fellowship with our Father is sin. Jesus has already fully dealt with that problem. To teach otherwise is a lack of trust in the finished work of Jesus. Additionally, Christians do not face consequences of sin from God. The cross took care of that. Jesus took all the consequences and no punishment remains. The only consequences we face will be worldly consequences. i.e. you drink and drive you get a DUI. But not punished by God. All this name your sin sounds good for Sunday morning sermon, but it’s complete nonsense and lacks any biblical standing. With all due respect, almost everything you wrote, lacks any biblical standing. Yes, let's avoid sin and live up right godly life. We're not made for sin. Mermaid for good works in Christ. But let's stop trying to turn God some puzzle or a game that if you just name your sin, and then confess it, that's the magical potion to fixing the problem. That is a complete betrayal of what Jesus did for you on the cross. So instead of playing this game of name it and claim it, how about we just stop the sin, and thank Jesus for taking care of it for us.

[@estel4president]

Amen. I’ve been banging this drum for 35 years. My friend Bob George was the first one to point this out to me. Looking forward to watching more from you.

[@EDD519]

confess only to JESUS !

[@FreshStart83]

My question is the man that had his father‘s wife. He was a believer. His spirit was saved, but Paul turn them over to Satan for the destruction of his flesh. The man ended up repenting we see and second Corinthians chapter 2. While he was in the act, Paul called him an evil person. Was his fellowship with God broken while he was in blatant sin?

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

God swore “I will NEVER leave you or forsake you”. That would include this man. So if we’re going to do stupid things, we’re going to have to do it in Fellowship. So it was no problem, fellowship, but no doubt God is grieved/quenched when we behave this way. I think Paul’s context was this Christians behavior was evil, not his new heart/spirit. Our battle is not against flesh and blood. It’s against a dark force. And this guy was allowing the evil one to steer his decisions, and as such was committing evil acts. But he himself was still saved, holy, justified, forgiven, and clean. If you ask me ALL sin is willful and blatant. :)

[@russellmcdonald7777]

Wonderful job teaching this!

[@alexbarron3831]

So I believe in the resurrection but what is it actually mean to believe in the resurrection is it more than just believing that he was resurrected physically? For example I believe I was resurrected with Jesus when I believed and he forgave me for my sins is that what you're talking about? For example anybody can say they believe the resurrection that doesn't mean they actually believe.

[@wrm3016]

Excellent analogy. I know this is an older publication, but I have heard/seen other analogies of 1 John 1:9 that conclude not only was John writing to non-believers, but to a sect of non-believers called the Gnostics, to address the practice of Gnosticism. I'd be curious to hear your opinion. God Bless!

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

Yes. I would agree with that.

[@MrGordonsweden]

WOW. My friend Jim Binney just wrote a book about this. Eternal Forgiveness: The Bible's Answer for Lingering Guilt. What a wonderful freeing teaching this is. No more Whack-A-Mole :-)

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

That’s awesome.

[@wardelltate3535]

Sir you are right is you are only talking about salvation, but sometimes sickness can come and kill people because of unconfessed sin 1 James 5:15. The prayer of faith will say the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. If he has committed saying he will be. 16. So confess your offenses to one another and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man is very powerful. One of the Holy Spirit jobs is to convict us of sin, so that we will confess it sir. If we continue to sin without confess it or ( agreeing with GOD) our conscience will become seared and that is dangerous sir. GOD will always be my Father in relationship, but sometimes our fellowship can be broken. Remember parable of the prodigal son the father was always the father but the fellowship was broken for a while. The first thing the son said when he came home was father forgive me. Balance

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

Thanks for joining to discussion! You cited James 5:15 as teaching us “ sickness can come and KILL people because of UNCONFESSED sin” Let’s look at the verse: *and the prayer of faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him.* No mention of God killing anyone. But rather healing them. No mention of “God killing if you don’t confess sins”, but rather the people with faith will be FORGIVEN. The closest we get to ‘unconfessed’ is in verse 16 *Therefore, confess your sins to one another* This is not even confessing to God. This is about us confessing to each other (humans) and praying for EACH OTHER. Next: You wrote ‘One of the Holy Spirit jobs is to convict us of sin” I hear that a lot, and I get it why people think that, and I don’t mind if they do. Seems to be a natural way to feel because we inherently know that sin is wrong, so it would seem only natural that we are being convicted day in and day out. In my opinion, I don’t think there is a single bible verse that teaches that. I also do not believe the Spirit has any desire for us to feel guilty. The Spirts role is to guide us. To disciple us. To encourage us. To give us wisdom and revelation in Knowledge of Him. The Spirit's role is not punishment for past sin, or even making us feel guilty of it. The Spirit's role is to build us up. To train us for future living. When we read the letter to the Hebrews, we see a discussion about how Jewish people felt under the old covenant. They felt guilty because their sins were always essentially temporally being atoned for by the blood of animals, but then the very next day (the next sin) it was right back to square one. But the blood of Jesus fixed all of that once for all. And, in my opinion, I do not believe the Spirit wants us to run around feeling guilty, or like dirty worms. Instead, He wants us to remember who we are in Christ. So instead of feeling guilty, there’s a better solution. Just stop the sin. If I could point to this verse talking about Jewish people sinning under an old covenant, compared to believers under the new one : *Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed ONCE FOR ALL, and would NO LONGER have felt guilty for their sins.- Hebrews 10:2* And that’s not implying that they think sin is okay. It’s implying that they know the blood of Jesus has already completely taken care of them. Fully paid for. So again, the answer is not to feel guilty, but rather to just stop and live out your new identity. I will concede that the Spirit changes our attitude about sin. The words “broken fellowship’ do not appear anywhere is scripture. In fact, and fellowship cannot be broken with God, because regardless of the bad decisions we may make, He will never leave us. He will remain in fellowship with us and work to lead us back on the right path. Broken fellowship would be more like an old testament covenant when the Jewish people did not keep the commandments, and God did not care for them and turned his face from them. But thanks be to God through Jesus the new testament is not like the old testament. It is founded on better promises because we are not the promise keepers anymore. Jesus is. Because He could swear by knowing raider score by himself. * We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, Hebrews 6:19*

[@wardelltate3535]

@@jesuswithoutreligion sir I never said God was killing them please don't put words in my mouth I never said. I said the sickness can kill

[@wardelltate3535]

Sir I never said guilty I said convicted, conviction lead to repentance guilt lead to death.

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

@@wardelltate3535 My apologies, the intention was not to “put words in your mouth”, but rather the way you framed it made it difficult to understand your context. It wasn’t that you wrote sickness can kill you, it was the reason you gave for killing us, when you wrote “unconfessed sin”. Even now I’m not sure how else to take that? The wages of sin is death. Eternal punishment. From God. I will take your word for that that’s not how you intended it, so again, please accept my apologies, as it was an innocent misunderstanding.

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

@@wardelltate3535 I think we’re getting into a little bit of semantics here. If somebody is convicted of doing something wrong, the obvious translation as they feel guilty about it.

[@ericnazario8486]

Powerful!!

[@gracepeace4563]

AWESOME TEACHING ! 👍🙏😍

[@matilda95.]

I have trouble with understanding 1 john 3 9. How shall I intrepret that verse? Am I not born again if I sin? That gives me anxiey. Maybe you can help me?

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

That’s a great question. Hopefully, I can help unpack this for you. NIV [1 John 3:9] No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. NASB [1 John 3:9] No one who has been born of God PRACTICES sin, because His seed remains in him; and he CANNOT sin continually, because he has been born of God. Unfortunately, there are some cult teachers that want to imply that once someone is a Christian, never again will they commit a sin. So let’s put that to the test. I think a starting point it’s for every CHRISTIAN to ask themselves, “do I ever sin”? If all of us that are honest with ourselves will answer that question by saying ‘yes, and while I don’t think it’s a good idea, unfortunately, I do this daily in some way or another’. Next, consider this, if Christians did not sin anymore then there would not be any reason at all for the dozens on top of dozens of verses calling us to walk in the Spirit and just say no to sin. Apparently, God thinks we are capable of sinning after salvation. But do we see in the Scriptures where Christians ever sin? Yep! The letter to the Corinthians is one of the greatest examples. Talk about making Las Vegas look like a joke. These guys were sinning like nothing we’ve seen before. Orgies. Drunkenness. Gluttony. Abusing the Lord's supper. All through the letter, we see these people were taking advantage of their freedom in Christ and forgiveness. But make no mistake, despite all of the World records they were breaking for sin, we would have to commit intellectual suicide to not read that letter and imply that they were not completely and fully saved and secure in Christ. So, this brings us back to verse 1 John 3:9. What is he saying? I like the NASB version because I think it gives a clear definition. With a special focus on the word ‘practice’. But before we talk about practicing sin, I’d like to point out to you that the same author in the same letter tells us that Christians ‘practice righteousness’. [1 John 2:29] If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness also has been born of Him. [1 John 3:7] Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; So which is it? Can we practice sin and practice righteousness at the same time? I don’t think so. Do Christians sin? Yes. But think about it this way. I’m rather short, but I still like to go out and shoot a few hoops with my son. LeBron James on the other hand is tall and he practices basketball all the time to get better. Basketball is his identity. And he practices so he can get better at it. None of my identity is wrapped up in basketball. I’m just a short guy who sometimes plays basketball. But I certainly do not practice basketball. I'm really not that interested in it. In the same way, unbelievers sin, and they practice sin. There’s no part of him that wants to avoid it. They love sin. They are dead in Adam. But Christians, even though we sin, we don’t practice it. It is not our identity. I guess it’s the idea that the believer doesn’t keep on keeping on. Meaning, you’re going to prove you are saved one way or the other. You’re going to sin and completely be miserable, or you’re going to avoid it. Anyone who has a new heart, and a new spirit, and the spirit of God living in them will never be fully satisfied living a life of sin. We’re not made for sin. Notice what the verse also said. ‘they CAN NOT go on sinning’ Cannot was not a threat that was saying 'you better not', and you are 'not capable of'. The context is that we can’t just keep doing it anymore because we’ve changed. We're just simply never going to be satisfied doing it. So ‘cannot’ does not mean ‘will not’. Because that would be a direct conflict of what we read in the letter to the Corinthians. These bad teachers can't have your cake and eat it too. I've yet to find one person that could explain the letter to the Corinthians and then turn around and defend the theology that Christians are not capable of doing some really stupid stuff. My advice? Sin stinks. Let's absolutely avoid it. In fact, let's run from it. But let us not buy into the line that Christians do not sin. The people who teach that garbage should also read something else the same author in the same letter said. He said, 'if we say we do not sin we are a liar and the truth is not in us' - 1 John 1:8,10. You struggle with that verse because of bad teaching. You struggle with it because you're acknowledging that you do still sin, at times. And the fact that you acknowledge that tells me that you are not a liar and the truth is in you. I hope that helped. PS - if you were not a believer and the truth was not in you, the last thing you would do is head to a Christian blog and seek counsel. That's just more evidence that the spirit of Christ is dwelling in your heart.

[@matilda95.]

@@jesuswithoutreligion thank you so much!!

[@toddsmith7257]

Hello sir. This makes sense but I’d like to ask, why does the Lord’s Prayer say “forgive us our trespasses as we have forgiven those who trespass against us”. Is this just an agreement of how Jesus has forgiven all our sin, or is this required?

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

Todd Smith I actually have a video why I talk a little deeper on the subject. He is speaking to Jews who are under the law. If we read the text carefully what he saying is, under law, God will only doll out as much forgiveness to you as you’ve dealt out to others. Which would not be a good thing for us. Well even notice in the end it says if you don’t.... you are in dangers of hell. Again this is all before the cross. It’s a sermon to Jews were chasing after the law. He’s been telling them to cut off their hands and cut out their eyes if it causes them to sin. But when we examine the teachings after the cross we see something very different. Same holds true when we look at forgiveness. Instead of asking God to forgive us as much as we forgive other people, we see it’s flipped the other way around. Now it says things like “ forgive others JUSTAS God has forgiven you”. Ephesians 4:32. Colossians 3:13. Never after the cross do you see a message that if you don’t forgive others you won’t be forgiven. Because forgiveness is not based on what you do, but rather what Jesus did. :)

[@kentpaulhamus2158]

What we need to know, understand and believe from God's Word: [ABOUT SALVATION: I Cor. 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren (fellow Christians), I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you have received, and wherein you stand: By which also you are saved, if you keep in memory what I preached to you, unless you have believed in vain (don't really care). For I delivered to you first of all that which I received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Eph. 2:8-9 For by grace (from God) are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Rom. 10:9-13 That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made to salvation. For scripture says, Whosoever believes on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between Jew and the Greek (Gentiles): for the same Lord over all is rich to all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Joh. 3:16 For God so loved the world (us), that he gave his only begotten Son (Jesus), that whosoever believes in him should not perish (in hell), but have everlasting life (with God). Joh. 14:6 Jesus said to him (us), I am the way (salvation), the truth (trustworthy), and the life (eternal): no man comes to the Father (God), but by me (God the Son). Rom. 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing (studying), and hearing by (studying) the Word of God. Rom. 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. Rom. 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:]

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

Thanks for the comment As a general rule, I think you can just post the scripture and don’t need to clarify it with comments in parentheses or brackets. Although that’s fine if you want to do that. However, I think in this case a correction is needed. You added the ‘hearing’ was (studying) and that would not be an accurate statement. To the average person the implication is that salvation comes from logging hours in a book. While is a GREAT thing to do, it is not necessary to read a single bible verse to be saved. In fact, for several hundred years after Christ died there were no Bibles and certainly no Bible studies. Most churches at best only had one letter. Most Christians were not able to read. They certainly were not studying. But what they had was faith in the message they heard about Christ. I say this because we should be very careful about the words we choose. When people think they get saved by studying they immediately start falling towards a works based salvation. The next thing you know they think you have to be water baptized and then you have to tithe, and then you have to speak in tongues, and the list just goes on and on. The takeaway: if we’re going to add brackets to “hearing” it can't be left alone as it is in just (hearing). No need to clarify it's intended meaning.

[@kentpaulhamus2158]

@@jesuswithoutreligion 2 Tim. 2:15 Study to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of truth. Heb. 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that comes to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. We seek God by hearing and studying God's Word. Once we are truly saved, we grow as Christians to be more Christ-like by studying God's Word and yielding to the Holy Spirit who indwells us. 1 Cor. 6:19 What? Do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which you have of God, and you are not your own?

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

@@kentpaulhamus2158 OK, it’s good that you can copy and paste scripture, but, respectfully, you are missing the context. Let’s use some very simple logic here. At the time the verses you cited were written there were NO BIBLES. The vast majority of churches didn’t even have ONE LETTER. Nearly NONE of them had a copy of old testament writings. So you’re doing quite a bit of mental gymnastics by saying that those verses in some way meant we are called to “read the Bible” as a method of growing. I could probably cite the majority of the Bible and I can promise you I was growing just fine long before I was able to do so. 2 Timothy 2:15. The actual context refers to studying our personal outward behavior. Living a godly life. The more accurate presentation of this verse would be: Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a worker who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. Context is everything. Again, I remind you at the time the apostle Paul wrote this there was no Bible study. You are trying to inject that in a place where it cannot be injected. Hebrews 11:6. There you go again trying to inject the word study where it does not exist. The keyword was faith. You acquire faith by hearing the gospel and believing. There is no prerequisite to reading the Bible in order to acquire faith, let alone to be saved. And if there is, you’re going to be hard-pressed to explain how Christians were able to have everything they needed for godliness (2 Peter 1:3) during the first 400 years before the first Bible was ever produced. So, again, I'll aks you, exactly what were these Christians studying for the first 400 years? And if they didn’t have a Bible then explain how you’re walking away with reading the Bible as what the authors were talking about. If you’re going to push the need to study your Bible in order to receive salvation or to have faith you are presenting a works-based salvation. Yes, let’s read our Bible. It’s the greatest letter ever written. It is full of truth, knowledge, wisdom, and more. But no, let’s not push a works-based message that teaches this is how we are saved. There's simply no scriptural truth to that teaching. Note: Who even hinted at not knowing that the Spirit is in us? It seems like you are at least consistent with inserting ideas from others that actually we never presented. Salvation comes from the simple message of Christ being crucified and resurrected and having the authority and power to be the payment for our sins. It's having faith that when we hear that we believe it to be true. We don't need to go pounding our chest bragging about all the hours we log in a book or how many Bible verses we've memorized. Those are great, but it doesn't make you superior in any spiritual way. [2 Cor 2:1-2] And when I came to you, brothers and sisters, I did not come as someone superior in speaking ability or wisdom, as I proclaimed to you the testimony of God. For I determined to know NOTHING among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. It seems even the apostle Paul realized that at the end of the day he wasn't trying to impress people with all of his spiritual knowledge, but rather he wanted plain and simple truth about Jesus presented because he knew that's all that was necessary for them to be saved.

[@kentpaulhamus2158]

@@jesuswithoutreligion You are now attacking me with false accusations! I'm only interested in giving people the gospel (God's Word) and pray that the Holy Spirit can work in their hearts to bring them to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. If you know for sure from the Word of God that your faith is in Jesus Christ alone for your salvation, then I praise the Lord.

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

@@kentpaulhamus2158 I’m pretty sure ‘false accusations’ and ‘attacking’ you would not be the appropriate words for this conversation. You wrote: [1 Cor. 6:19 What? Do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you] “What?” Certainly seemed to imply that I was not aware of this. Maybe that was not your intent, and if so, then I will apologize. I love these discussions, but it’s difficult when it’s one-sided. I believe I asked you two or three separate times to explain how you conclude that we are saved by reading the Bible, noting that there were no Bibles when these letters were written. It was a simple and fair question considering your comment. Indeed, let's praise God for Jesus. Salvation is a gift so I cannot boast, it is not of myself. Very thankful.

[@torontobiblestudy]

Are you trying to say we have to confess our sins to be saved? The idea of losing fellowship with God is not about the Spirit leaving and coming back. It is with us always (Eph 4:30). But Jesus says that if a man loves Him, he will keep His commandments and He and the Father will come and dwell with him (John 14:23). Obedience is the way to maintain fellowship with God, not for salvation or the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

You wrote: But Jesus says that if a man loves Him, he will keep His commandments and He and the Father will come and dwell with him (John 14:23). Once again, as I said, in a previous post, I think you should be on milk before you start teaching. I don’t believe you’re ready for the meat yet.. I don’t mean that sound condescending, but rather that you have not understood clearly what the scriptures are telling us. For you to suggest that the above verse is using the word “Commandments” in place of the “the Law” is a horrific misinterpretation of John’s letter. Nowhere, is he making any reference to lying, cheating, stealing, or any form of the law. Again, you are missing that. This is about believing.. Verse 1 (of chapter 14) You BELIEVE in God; BELIEVE also in me. Verse 6. No one comes to the Father except through me. Verse 10 Don’t you BELIEVE that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? Verse 11 BELIEVE me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me Verse 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever BELIEVES in me will do the works I have been doing Verse 29 I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will BELIEVE What we discover is there two new commands. 1-Believe (1 John 3:23) And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and we should love one another just as He commanded us. 2-Love others as Jesus loves us. John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. John 15:17 This is my command: Love each other. Literally, Jesus is Word for Word telling us that his commandments are believe in him and love others. It is only humans that are trying to twist these Commandments into laws even though there is no reference to the mosaic law in either of these letters in this context..

[@torontobiblestudy]

@@jesuswithoutreligion "Literally, Jesus is Word for Word telling us that his commandments are believe in him and love others." His commandments are to believe on Him and love others. Let's say that's all He's commanding us. You've now just turned the requirements of salvation from faith alone into faith plus love. As I said, you are the one who does not understand the Bible and should not teach it. You are the one who has not studied enough, you are the one who does not understand proper biblical interpretation.

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

@@torontobiblestudy God is love. The fruit of the Spirit is love. We are not talking about getting saved by loving people. We are saying that people who are saved, naturally love one another as he loved us. I’m not willing to have your argument go against what Jesus said. You’re trying to say that the commandment is law, when Jesus flat out spelled it out for us, and said that the commandment is to love and believe. Again, I’m not sure how you think your debating me on this? I’m literally copying and pasting Word for Word Jesus’s language.. This should not cause division, or any type of debate. If I have misquoting, Jesus, I am open minded and willing to hear you out. But right now you're making an argument that is not found in the Scriptures..

[@torontobiblestudy]

@@jesuswithoutreligion I never said the commandment is the law, you're just putting words in my mouth. You said this: "We are saying that people who are saved, naturally love one another as he loved us. " So now you're saying that once we are saved we will "naturally" love one another, meaning that you think being saved will somehow change your behaviour. This is another false gospel message that backloads works onto the gospel. People who believe this will think that they must act lovingly toward people and if they do not then they are not really saved. You're very confused and you do not understand the scriptures you are teaching. I'm very sorry. I will pray for you.

[@destroyingtheworksofthedev9349]

If we walk in the Light as HE is in the light - they would have to believe that if walking in the light was not sinning, then they are never sinning. They are liars and the truth is not in them, they are ones walking in darkness ironically.

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

Just to be clear, the Bible talks about ‘walking’ and ‘living’. The only way to walk in darkness is to not believe in Jesus and call on him to save us. The only way to not have the truth in us is to not believe and call on Jesus to save us. Anyone who thinks avoiding outward sin is a means of salvation is indeed a liar and the truth is not in them. The truth lives in those that believe in the Son of God and trust him as the only way to inherit the kingdom. The moment we start saying it's Jesus plus avoiding bad performance is the moment we've changed the gospel message and then it becomes about human effort and works. Which means they are indeed boasting, and it is no longer a gift.

[@torontobiblestudy]

​@@jesuswithoutreligion Asking for forgiveness in 1 John 1:9 is about maintaining fellowship with God, not salvation. The audience of John's letter has salvation. He's telling them how to live as Christians. If 1 John 1:9 is about salvation then you're saying we have to confess our sins to be saved. Confessing our sins is a work.

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

@@torontobiblestudy Let’s put that to the test…. So according to you, 1 John 1:9 is about ‘is about maintaining fellowship with God’ it has nothing to do with salvation. You suggested that my theology would be 'works'. Yeah, here you are implying that the way we maintain fellowship is through our performance. As I see it, the only way to have fellowship with God is through Jesus. The cross. Faith. You cannot be have fellowship with God if you are not a believer. So to be clear, if there's any theology, that's pushing works it would be yours. Christians are not in and out of fellowship according to how well they are performing. You are either saved or unsaved. You are either righteous or unrighteous. You are either in fellowship or always out of fellowship. There is no gray area and there's no flip-flopping back-and-forth.. So let’s imagine this was a letter that you were writing to the people in your Bible study. Do you find it necessary to tell your group that the times they LIE, and the truth is NOT in them? Do you find it necessary to tell them that they claim to be WITHOUT sin? Do you find it necessary to tell them that they make God out to be a LIAR? Do you find necessary to tell your Bible study group A SECOND TIME that his word is NOT in them? This is a big problem. If this is language you feel that you would need to use with people who are supposedly children of God, saved, and redeemed. THE ABOVE LANGUAGE IS NOT LANGUAGE WE WOULD BE TEACHING ONE ANOTHER AS SAVED PEOPLE. You do not have to commit intellectual suicide to see that this is language that you would say to an unbeliever. They need to hear the gospel. If you don’t see that this is salvation, I honestly I'm not sure that you should be teaching others. Sometimes people need to be on milk and understand the gospel before they are given me and trying to teach others. My theology does not in anyway suggest confessing is a work. We should all be able to agree that someone cannot be saved if they’re not willing to agree (CONFESS) with God that they sin, let alone need to be saved from it. No one who thinks they are, without sin could possibly be saved because they would have no desire to call on Jesus if that was what they thought. As we navigate through John’s letter, it becomes abundantly clear that there are two audiences being addressed. There are believers, and they are unbelievers. If we truly have the light of God living in us, we should be able to clearly see the difference and not try to turn the Scriptures into threatening letters to the children of God. I always find it interesting that people struggle to think that the word of God not only speak to believers, but also people that need to be believers and be rescued.

[@torontobiblestudy]

@@jesuswithoutreligion You are saved through faith alone. Being out of fellowship does not mean you are not saved, it just means you are out of fellowship. It's no different than Jesus telling the people to put the man out of the church who trespasses against his brother and will not repent (Matt 18:15-20). Salvation is not in view here at all as John considers his audience to be saved (1 John 5:13). Confession is certainly a work. You have to change the words to something else in order to make your interpretation fly. You are the one who does not understand the Bible and should not be teaching others. You don't understand this book of First John and you don't understand the Bible in general. You are the unlearned and unstable Peter discusses (2 Pet 3:15-16). "If we truly have the light of God living in us, we should be able to clearly see the difference and not try to turn the Scriptures into threatening letters to the children of God." You see this mentality, where you think that you "have the light of God living in you" and therefore have some special insight into the Bible? This is evidence of your psychological and spiritual instability. You think you are right because of the Spirit and not because you proved your case with a logical argument. You are wrong. My interpretation is not a threat to believers. There is no sense in which people can lose their salvation, but they can be out of fellowship with God.

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

@@torontobiblestudy Here’s something we will never find anywhere in all of scripture referring to God’s children. That is “out of fellowship”. That is a legalistic mindset of people who do not understand what has been done to and for them. If we could be out of fellowship, what would cause it? Sin would. What did Jesus do about that sin that would break our fellowship? He died for it. He took it away. He remembers it no more. So if you’re going to sin, you’re going to do it with the Spirit of God, living in you. He will never leave you, and never forsake you. When you are faithless, he will remain faithful. Fellowship with God is not acquired by sin. Fellowship is acquired through faith. I realize that some of you that has a license to sin. But it’s the exact opposite. It’s knowing that God has done this for us that leads us to repentance. You can’t have broken fellowship because God is never going to leave you. He’s never going to turn his back on you. This is why we do not see any where in the Scriptures where fellowship is broken with God (if we are born again) Confession is a work? My friend, you’re not debating me on that, you are debating God himself. Romans 10:9 If you CONFESS with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved So how do you explain this verse? Confessing simply means agreeing. I am agreeing that Jesus is Lord. I am agreeing that I have a problem called sin. I am agreeing that Jesus died for that sin. I am agreeing that he rose again to give me life. And if you’re struggling with believing being a form of a work that saves us, again, I will say you’re not arguing with me, you’re arguing with God. As the Pharisees try to trap Jesus, they asked Jesus what are the WORKS that pleases God *[John 6:28] Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”* Noticed they said, works. Plural. Now watch how Jesus answers them. He’s going to use the same word work, but in a singular format.. *[John 6:29] Jesus answered, “The WORK of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”* So apparently, there is a work that pleases God. And it’s called believing. Would you seem to be arguing against. And as Hebrews 11:6 tell us, “without faith, it is impossible to please God”. I think you mean, well, however, I am simply saying that you are not clearly understanding what God is teaching us. We can agree to disagree. But with all due respect, I am convinced that God has opened my eyes to the truth, and the truth, indeed is good news, and not some type of a threat message to Christians.

[@lima1877]

Sins of the whole world were forgiven already. We receive forgiveness when we place our faith. Something God already decided at the cross. The entire world is not saved because forgiveness is not salvation, but receiving the life that Christ gives is. God is not counting anyone sins in the world anymore. 2 Cor 2:19. Why? Because he already counted them at the cross. Receive Jesus receive salvation

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

Correct. :)

[@giftedsheepministries2955]

Often believers do something not as Yeshua would do. And throughout this letter John the disciple repeatedly makes it clear this letter is to believers. John just did not lose context when he wrote this. So this creates a inconsistency with the theology of the gentile church that is our understanding. What we are reading is the theology of the messianic jewish church, the church of the 12, written by one of the 12. At Qumran, one can see the cleansing or sanctifying baths that were used daily for falling short of torah and then short of what Jesus would do. This was the Church of the 12. So there are two churches, the gentile church and its theology found in the Bible. And the theology of the messianic judaic church found in the Bible and burned by emperors in the synoptic and johanine gospels and books such as 1 John and James the brother of Yeshua, that would know well what Jesus taught. A dilemma exist is premises we have that are not correct. And if our elders would be honest, they struggle with and search for answers that the premises of Protestant orothodoxy cannot harmonize with the gentile scriptures. Thank you for the sermon. I think if the pastor responds, and i answer him that this thread will be more orderly. Start a new thread with your comments and i will respond if in August - September 2019. Blessings, David

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

Hi - and thanks for your comments. I think it’s a big stretch to say 1 John is just to believers. It’s both. As I like to say, ‘the writer has heart for the saved, AND reaching the unsaved, so, if the shoe fits…wear it’. You don’t have to commit intellectual suicide to think the church doesn’t have a few unbelievers reading this letter too. And it’s only natural to address them as well. Why do I say it includes unbelievers? Here are just a few reasons… [1 John1:8] If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is NOT IN US. [1 John1:10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is NOT IN US. [1 John 2:3] The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM; [1 John 2:9] The one who says he is in the Light and yet hates his brother IS IN THE DARKNESS until now. [1 John 2:11]But the one who hates his brother is IN THE DARKNESS and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going because the darkness has BLINDED his eyes. [1 John 3:4] 4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. [1 John 4:8] The one who does not love DOES NOT KNOW GOD, for God is love. [1 John 4:20] If someone says, “I love God,” and HATES HIS BROTHER, he is a LAIR; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, CANNOT LOVE GOD whom he has not seen. [1 John 5:10] The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who DOES NOT BELIEVE God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. These are just a few.....John's heart is for everyone who might read this letter. My short response to your comments on 'cleansing or sanctifying of baths'. I hope we both agree and know those had no power. They were useless. They were shadows of the real thing. Jesus. Only Jesus can cleanse/sanctify us. John certainly would not push any other theology other that salvation/justification/cleansing/holiness/righteousness can only come through faith in Christ. In fact, John seems to work overtime warning his readers about any other gospels. Examples: [1 John 2:26] These things I have written to you concerning those who are trying to deceive you. [1 John 3:7] Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; [1 John 4:1] Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. Equally so, John goes overtime to make clear, the gospel is ONLY about faith in Jesus. Believe and confess that Jesus is the Son of God. The moment we attach anything else to this, well, that when those warning verses of deceivers I posted above apply to us. Hope helps. God bless

[@giftedsheepministries2955]

I found your reply today. I understood your last point well. The other, i will reread and pray and get back in week or so. Thank you !! and blessings.

[@giftedsheepministries2955]

We both believe Yeshua is the God that came in the flesh and died for our sins and was resurected on the third day and now the Holy Spirit dwells in us. I will reply to your main point soon on if this directed toward believers and the efficacy of baptism, confession. the commandments against sin. Thank you for your patience. David

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

@@giftedsheepministries2955 Happy to show patience. It's a nice 'fruit' we have from the Spirit ;)

[@giftedsheepministries2955]

@@jesuswithoutreligion In the 4 gospels, 1 john, the book of James and Revelation, we find the theology of "doing something" plus faith for salvation. This is the church of the 12, the church of the 5000, the church of Christian Origins. When Roman General Titus came and destroyed the Second Jerusalem, this church its followers and its theology was destroyed first in the outlyimg towns, along with the 2nd Temple and finally at Masada. Then Roman emperors such as Nero made having the books of this theology punishable by death. So the theology of the 12 diciples church and books such as Hebrew Matthew were destroyed. The theology that you and most Christians is found in Romans, Corinthians. Thessalonians and Acts... I understand this orothodox theology, the theology of the Gentile Church that became the canon of the Roman Church and later accepted in abbreviated form into the 66 books we all know. This is the theology of the Gentile church.

[@jcwindevillose]

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[@gilbertvergara3441]

Despensation: The new heart is Dead to SiN. But the body still sins.. the body not saved but the soul is saved. We confest the sin that our body did.

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

I don’t want to hijack this video to discuss dispensation, but I will give a short response. I don’t buy into this dispensation theory. The idea that God deals with Jews and gentiles differently during various dispensations. The most I would give into this would be that there are two eras. The old covenant and the new one. Then the veil was torn. There is neither Jew nor gentile. We are all one. In one era God related to the Jews under the law. And another one, and still today, God relates to us under grace. Regarding the body. Yes the body absolutely does sin. But the body itself is neither saved or unsaved. It’s just a shell. And it will simply return to dust. Confess? Sure to the extent that you mean agree that it’s bad. But aside from the initial confession at salvation, those words don’t activate forgiveness. Forgiveness is not something that we are in and out of. We have eternal salvation. Nothing can take us from the hand of God. He is our hope. He is the guarantor of our covenant.

[@eiddearevir3560]

This is heresy

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

That seems to be a popular word to throw around, but you are free to put some legs on that comment if you want. I find most of you don’t really know what heresy really is. You think anyone who disagrees with you is guilty of it. It doesn’t work that easily.

[@eiddearevir3560]

This is HERESY

[@jesuswithoutreligion]

That seems to be a popular word to throw around, but you are free to put some legs on that comment if you want. I find most of you don’t really know what heresy really is. You think anyone who disagrees with you is guilty of it. It doesn’t work that easily.