I used to be annoyed that the docking pylons pointed inward. It meant that if one ship is too large it could block the other two pylons from being used, while outward pointing pylons would have all of space to position the ship. But now knowing it’s to keep docked ships inside the shield bubble, and the cardassians probably designed it with a specific ship model in mind (the cargo transports, which were probably long and thin), makes it actually make sense.
@PaulGuy2 жыл бұрын
Also, having the pylons face outwards means that if the station moved, the ships need to move with them much farther and faster to avoid damage. Being inside puts them closer to a rotational axis.
@drwho3710 ай бұрын
I never thought about that, that the pylons are faced that way to keep ships protected by the station's shields. Head cannon updated.
@paulk.dicostanzo22793 жыл бұрын
Worst job on DS9 during the Federation command era: Cleaning the deck of Quark’s holosuites.
@marinuswillett61473 жыл бұрын
That's not a mental image I needed
@jonathanwaters2063 жыл бұрын
To late
@ErzengelDesLichtes3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the replicators built into the holosuite dematerialize the mess.
@jacara19813 жыл бұрын
Just like the federation holodecks, they clean themselves.
@scottmantooth87853 жыл бұрын
@@ErzengelDesLichtes *that's a level of "eew" i never actually needed to have*
@lukematthews14423 жыл бұрын
Deep Space Nine is the coolest and best looking space station in science fiction and you can't change my mind.
@limiv52723 жыл бұрын
I wasn't going to, relax...
@LazzaRuss2 жыл бұрын
Nobody wants to change your mind.
@gregkerr012 жыл бұрын
So true
@drwho3710 ай бұрын
100% agree. Also, Runabouts are the coolest Star Trek shuttle and no one can change my mind.
@Omniroc3 жыл бұрын
The Cardassians might have had the ore refinery on the station for security reasons. The ore seemed to be explosive and their were terrorists attacking buildings. Kinda hard to attack a space station with a couple of small fighters.
@sovietdominion3 жыл бұрын
Also the end product is going to get shipped to cardassia anyway
@kertagin13 жыл бұрын
@@sovietdominion there is also the concerns for what exactly the by products of the process and how toxic they may be.
@bjoernusw51953 жыл бұрын
@@kertagin1 As if the cardassians would have cared about poisoning bajors biosphere. They probably wouldn't have lost any sleep about dumping waste in the nearest river.
@TheArnok6663 жыл бұрын
@@kertagin1 Matter reclamation i thought
@kertagin13 жыл бұрын
@@bjoernusw5195 if it was just effecting the locals I have no doubt you'd be correct however they had settlements and holdings of their own people on planet, and the cardis did care for their own. most of the environment damage in DS9 was done to Bjor a the Cardasians were losing control or from strip mining. at least that's the feel I got watching the series. much of it like the initial damage to the station seemed to be an almost malicious act after they were leaving.
@thomaslaurita85383 жыл бұрын
Strategically having an ore processing space station with slave labor makes it safer than a ground base center; Decreasing the chance of slaves escaping and terrorist reprisal. And the station could change orbit in case of finding new ore deposits or a catastrophe.
@Sidekick_Snowman3 жыл бұрын
Good point. I hadn't considered those things!
@westcoastgio63283 жыл бұрын
I always assumed that the ore was processed in space due to a need for vacuum at one stage, or to vent dangerous byproducts directly into space.
@Chiron843 жыл бұрын
A planetside refinery can be on the wrong side of the planet from your mines. So if you have to transport it across half the planet, you might as well transport it to space when you're at it anyway. Add that to the security concerns, and a space station makes perfect sense.
@limiv52723 жыл бұрын
@@westcoastgio6328 Interesting thought, but I can't remember anything in the show to support that
@krzosu3 жыл бұрын
I would imagine that the energy cost of ferrying such huge amounts of ore to orbit is not particularly efficient and hauling it via ground methods would be way more energy viable - but that would make it more open for being attacked during transit. and the resulting stone would amount to large amount of waste material - so unless they were firing that into sun directly or into other bajor moons that would pose a serious logistical waste problem.
@goughrmp3 жыл бұрын
O’Brien’s hard work making him the most important man in Starfleet history
@valor1omega3 жыл бұрын
O'brien is just a dollar store bargain bin Chinese knock off version of scotty. Scotty is the best in Starfleet history.
@elias_xp953 жыл бұрын
Beam me up O'brien
@valor1omega3 жыл бұрын
@@elias_xp95 Lol, I hope he doesn't leave any part of you behind ;)
@RealengoPrimordialDemon3 жыл бұрын
Sorry but Rom was more important, without him the federation would have collapsed.
@valor1omega3 жыл бұрын
@@RealengoPrimordialDemon First important is Scotty Second important is nog Third is Morn
@jchavez7893 жыл бұрын
I think you missed the biggest feature of them all: Captain Sisko's Baseball on his desk. Event Gul Dukat left it in place when he took over DS9 with the Dominion.
@curious58873 жыл бұрын
Airlock with three door do make sense, because if the second door malfunction theycould still use the third one as redundant backup, so i think DS9 is very ugly but powerful and functional space station, it’s power system is similar to our today fusion reactor prototype
@Daedalus-BC3083 жыл бұрын
It could also be an extra security measure, just so you would think really hard about letting some suspicious guy inside the station.
@valor1omega3 жыл бұрын
I noticed a weak spot on the station, Underneath seems to have a few blind spots. If the Klingons took advantage of those all they had to do was nail the reactor and the station goes bye-bye. But because of the proto mary sue sisko the Klingons was blind to it.
@curious58873 жыл бұрын
@@valor1omega sisko is not mary stu
@valor1omega3 жыл бұрын
@@curious5887 Now now no need for such language I said prototype mary sue He gets away with crimes that would cause Kirk and Picard to be stripped of his command He is well loved by almost everyone His parents are worm hole aliens Always wins List goes on. The reason I said prototype is because he has some character development and some flaws. Let's look a true Mary Sue Burnham Loved by everyone Always wins Never lost a ship Goes to prison for her crimes but gets out and given rank on a ship Good at everything No flaws No character development at all Kirk doesn't always win Lost 2 ships Isn't well liked by everyone Actually went to prison for a while Was knocked down in rank for his actions. Great character development Picard Was captured Tortured and almost broken Violated by the Borg Forced to attack the federation Not well liked by everyone Lost his ship Heavy character development
@nathantolman9853 жыл бұрын
@@valor1omega I protest. I think perhaps you are not as familiar with Deep Space Nine as you are with TNG and TOS, because you have overlooked huge portions of Sisko's character. Sisko is not well-loved by Federation higher-ups -- in fact, they are often at odds with him because he refuses to distance himself from the Bajoran religion. Nor is Sisko well-liked by Quark, or Odo (depending on the episode). He regularly butts heads with Kira, too. It's true that he's generally well-regarded, but not much more so than Kirk or Picard. Even with his deep relationship with Dax, Jadzia sometimes disregards his advice. True, his status as Emissary gives him lots of points with most Bajorans -- but not with Winn, in many ways the most powerful Bajoran. Sisko has conflicts with Kassidy Yates because he is overprotective of her. Q doesn't like Sisko. [1 of 4] (Continued below)
@stewart75213 жыл бұрын
You didn't mention the ATMs. They were across from Qurk's bar.
@HappilyHomicidalHooligan3 жыл бұрын
No they weren't, they were in the lobby of the bar, Quark would NEVER allow someone to leave before they paid their tab... Assuming he ever LET them run a Tab in the first place... Being a Greedy Ferengi, I expect he preferred the Pay first THEN you get your ...
@tessajalloh39143 жыл бұрын
@@HappilyHomicidalHooligan He's right though, they genuinely were, from set photos you can see where they were, but they never had a reason to have them in focus on the show. Quite a few of the facades they made didn't make it into an episode, but did thankfully make it into the technical manuals and into the reacreation of DS9 in star trek online.
@GenerationFilms3 жыл бұрын
It seems the ATMs are kind of disputed though, I don’t think you ever see someone getting latinum out of one
@V.B.Squire3 жыл бұрын
@@GenerationFilms Can you cover babylon 5
@marinuswillett61473 жыл бұрын
The 2 dislikes are from Cardassians disappointed by loosing their space station
@marinuswillett61473 жыл бұрын
Yo.....Generation Films, thanks for liking this comment. Now I feel almost as Awsome as Constable Odo.... almost
@yanickmonet52003 жыл бұрын
38 as of now, clearly the Obsidian Order is up to no good.
@Kara_Kay_Eschel3 жыл бұрын
@@yanickmonet5200 39 now.
@marinuswillett61473 жыл бұрын
@@yanickmonet5200 it's up to 50. The Breen Confederacy hasjoined in the fun, it would seem.
@old_romans3 жыл бұрын
It's the Pah-Wraiths standing back and standing by.
@karlsmith25703 жыл бұрын
Well, the whole thing about having 3 airlock doors kinda makes sense, one of those doors could serve as a backup in case of breach in one of the other 2 doors that would leave it to open space
@phydeux3 жыл бұрын
You'd also have emergency force fields, so a third is really redundant.
@darwinxavier35163 жыл бұрын
@@phydeux Forcefields can run out of power, which can be a limited resource in a disaster. A solid wall will stay there much longer. I have a similar gripe about space prisons that rely on forcefield walls that fail if someone cuts the power.
@phydeux3 жыл бұрын
@@darwinxavier3516 - Yeah, well, most people would say that if they're in a space prison it's for a reason, and that their loss is probably a cost savings in the long run.
@karlsmith25703 жыл бұрын
@@phydeux Force Fields can fail, thus why I'd say having a 3rd airlock door would be a good idea, even if the Force Field was to fail or couldn't be used due to damage to the emitters
@Dale_The_Space_Wizard3 жыл бұрын
The Star Trek: Deep Space 9 series is my favourite thing ever to come out of the Star Trek franchise.
@drwho3710 ай бұрын
100%
@Rei-Rei3 жыл бұрын
The main problem with how it was actually depicted in the series was that it felt small. Technically it's huge, but we only really got to see the same few areas over and over again, so the idea that it was city-sized never felt real.
@thehighguarduk48203 жыл бұрын
Processing the Ore in space makes perfect sense if theirs an active and growing Bajoran resistance blowing things up on the surface and as the ore is the main reason the Cardassains were occupying Bajor in the first place strategically it makes a lot of sense to move this processing into space were it will be much more secure. Though making it its much, much harder to attack is not the only advantage as it can also be shipped easily aboard transport ships in orbit at the station rather than having to go down to the planet. Cardassains tend to think things through, they were efficient and organised oppressors.
@krane152 жыл бұрын
That would make sense for the refined ore, but not the processing locations
@drwho3710 ай бұрын
Great take
@bobbiusshadow69853 жыл бұрын
"Greed is eternal" "Exploitation begins at home"
@richardjohnson95433 жыл бұрын
The space battles on DS9 were way better than anything I've ever seen on Discovery
@GenerationFilms3 жыл бұрын
Space battles in Discovery, from a special FX point of view, we’re basically Star wars
@limiv52723 жыл бұрын
I stopped watching that show a long time ago. Did it ever improve?
@limiv52722 жыл бұрын
@@fritsfelix8423 lol that bad, huh?
@drwho3710 ай бұрын
Best ship battles in all of Trek, including the movies.
@Automatik2343 жыл бұрын
The cultural "number 3" thing for cardassians is actually a rather interesting and clever concept!
@danieltate20063 жыл бұрын
Similar to the Minbari on Babylon 5. Not that there are many similarities between B5 and DS9, aside from them both being wonderful series.
@Edward_Plantagenet3 жыл бұрын
THERE ARE THREE LIGHTS !!!!
@krzosu3 жыл бұрын
@@danieltate2006 and the main reason for that was very simple - Straczyński first aproached paramount with his script for B5 and they rejected it - then thought it over - changed few things and puff - DS9 was born.
@robertcarmosino65633 жыл бұрын
NASA uses the power of three , it's called redundancy... backup for the backup.
@chrisdefresne32352 жыл бұрын
@@danieltate2006 DS9 is based on the series bible for B5.....
@SarsTheSecond3 жыл бұрын
Bajorans: Working in 55C Kitchen staff: Thats cute!
@kaseyboles303 жыл бұрын
@AKUJIRULE Yep, he probably knows that. I've run restaurants, 55c isn't that much of an exaggeration in you're working near the ovens. though 35c is more likely.
@raw66683 жыл бұрын
There was a military reason why they process the ore in space. Bajoran Resistance kept blowing them up on the planet. Therefore they built it in space as armed Bajorians could not reach the station (as transporters could find weapons on them). As for what they do with the unrefined ore, break it down to replicate into usable things. Replicators need some type of matter to use their protons and electrons to build new things, so they used the rock not refined. And the Cardassians did have replicators, be-it Replicators that are primitive compared to Federation Replicators.
@JGCR593 жыл бұрын
As far as I recall the super strong armament only got installed prior to Season 4. In the Pilot, DS9 was very weakly armed. Headcannon would suggest they threw out the ore mining equipment and used the space for weapons instead.
@CrimsonRegalia2 жыл бұрын
I was actually assuming that they were mining asteroids but of they're getting the raw ores from Bajor, I agree it doesn't make sense to have an orbiting refinery.
@miketheskepticalone62853 жыл бұрын
Regarding Terok Nor's status as a refinery complex ... actually, it makes perfect sense, to the point we need to start thinking about how to build one irl, here in the Sol system. What doesn't make sense is mining high-density refractory metals on Bajor ... but then again, the main purpose to that wasn't the most efficient source of ore, but the most entertaining method of destroying the Bajorans. The main reason platinum-group metals are rare is the fact that as a silicate-crust planet forms, all the heavy stuff sinks to the middle. It makes a lot more sense to mine for heavier metals in, say, an asteroid belt, or possibly shatter a silicate world to get at the chewy metal centre. A somewhat mobile orbital station with massive refinery capability would be the way to go, given that any slag could be simply de-orbited towards the star to be disposed of, and there are many ways of generating power in space.
@vinnydaq133 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early Captain Pike was still commanding the Enterprise. 🧐
@jeffjones46543 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early, Zephram Cochrane hadn't launched the Phoenix yet.
@kaneo13 жыл бұрын
I served under April. Pike is the newbie CO.
@good_teanice_house67893 жыл бұрын
I helped bury Data’s head in the San Francisco cave.
@DrownedInExile3 жыл бұрын
"What do they do with the ore waste?" I'm sure they just vent it out into space, or towards Bajor to let it burn up in the atmosphere. I could see the Cardassians wanting to keep their valuable refining equipment off-planet for security reasons. Those pesky Bajoran insurgent-fanatics and all.
@cjc3636363 жыл бұрын
I figure ships would come in at regular intervals and grab all the scraps for hauling off and reprocessing for whatever else could be found in the leftovers.
@samvanroelen3 жыл бұрын
i think they rather converted the waste into enery using the transporters, dematerialize it & then shunt it into batteries or something the like just my two cents btw ;)
@raw66683 жыл бұрын
I thought they break down the mater and used it to replicate things that could be replicated. Like food for Cardassian personnel and weapons for troops sent to the surface.
@krzosu3 жыл бұрын
@@raw6668 that would be a double waste of energy - first to dematerialize matter - and then to rematerialize it. - it would be simpler to dump the leftovers into sun - or other close stellar bodies (like other Bajor moons).
@raw66683 жыл бұрын
@@krzosu Considering we don't know the energy requirement of a replicator or the full process in how they work in detail, it is hard to say. I assume the energy consumption would be roughly the same as a transporter since half the process is to demilitarize mater before reassembling them. Perhaps even less and more equivalent to a handheld phaser set to vaporize since they are just breaking down the material to be reassembled later, not compress it safely to reassemblee for transport over a long distance. As I said, they need to get the original matter somewhere to make things, why not the leftover rocks refined. It may be cheaper energy-wise than to drag an asteroid to the station to demilitarize for use of its replicators. And may cost, at least but probably less than, as much energy to transport them off the station with transporters, to begin with.
@aragos327273 жыл бұрын
Sometimes I feel I'm one of the very few who actually think this was the best Star Trek series
@rayhull69593 жыл бұрын
I feel DS9 never got the appreciation it deserved
@bobjoebo89332 жыл бұрын
It was
@dreamingflurry27293 жыл бұрын
It may be big over all, but most of that "space" is vacuum! The station over all isn't quite so large if you only take internal (pressurized!) space into consideration!
@krane152 жыл бұрын
You mean circumference not volume?
@bgcvetan3 жыл бұрын
10th. In ships ? Not bad for a SPACE STATION.
@killwalker3 жыл бұрын
I laughed too, but technically in CAN move, so it isn't actually "Stationary". It works, but just barely 😂
@fabiorabelo35063 жыл бұрын
An omission, the Runnabouts also have modular sensor array, installed in the top of the vehicle, more sophisticated modules used to missions that need it .
@limiv52723 жыл бұрын
This isn't a video about runabouts, I don't think these details were necessary
@dustinadamson81793 жыл бұрын
Yeah they also added backups to backups that is the federation standard
@killwalker3 жыл бұрын
of course. In case the first backup fails. lol.
@spaceguy93263 жыл бұрын
The reason they put it in space was so it was almost impossible to destroy it
@zarbonthedestroyer72323 жыл бұрын
or escape
@spaceguy93263 жыл бұрын
@@zarbonthedestroyer7232 true
@valor1omega3 жыл бұрын
Technically there are six pylons, three above and three below.
@marinuswillett61473 жыл бұрын
"That's just a Star Trek fake Science Solution to fit the script. " sounds like Star Trek in a nutshell
@hoplitethirtynine14873 жыл бұрын
Or even more common, fake a science anomaly that stops technology working to fit the script
@builder3963 жыл бұрын
Actually the Enterprise D used the same trick to augment its maneuverability on impulse power.
@bjoernusw51953 жыл бұрын
should have added on some deflector dishes to manipulate to make it believable
@builder3963 жыл бұрын
@@bjoernusw5195 Wouldnt the shield emitters work for that? After all theyre called "deflector shields".
@phydeux3 жыл бұрын
Was that a reference to "reverse the polarity" I just read?
@scottmantooth87853 жыл бұрын
3:17 *would not the process of transporters (if used in the mining transfer process) already break down the ore into a molecular structure that could easily be programmed to separate the desired ore by elemental designation and there by eliminating the unwanted slag and less valuable minerals?...much quicker and efficient and removing several steps in the purification making it more profitable and allowing it to be utilized far more quickly?*
@darwinxavier35163 жыл бұрын
At this time the Cardassians were vastly technologically inferior to the Federation as shown in The Wounded. Frankly, if they had decent replicator technology, they wouldn't need to conquer in order to feed their people. So I can see them not being able to fine tune their transporters the way a Starfleet version could be.
@scottmantooth87853 жыл бұрын
@@darwinxavier3516 *theory accepted as being the lost logical*
@PickleRick65 Жыл бұрын
02:30, YES!?! And about 1000 other things. Well Done. You are today's Hero 😆
@LickMyRainbow773 жыл бұрын
On the Promenade, there were signs listening all the establishments open to the public. Aside from the obvious ones like Quarks, the Bajoran temple, the infirmary, etc many of the things listed were cultural references like Spacely Sprockets (from The Jetsons), Sirius Cybernetics (Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy), Pancho's Happy Bottom Riding Club (a real restaurant well known for its connection to Edwards Airforce Base and the early days of the Space Program). Other business listed were also named after staff on the shows, like Berman Dilithium or Chez Zimmerman
@DanielDavis19733 жыл бұрын
I've always considered the term "warp core" to be a complete misnomer. It's really a Matter/Antimatter annihilation reactor that produces plasma. This plasma can be used for any purpose (i.e. powering a generator to run a microwave oven). It's just primarily used to inject plasma into the warp coils in the nacelles.
@jfbeam2 жыл бұрын
The warp core creates warp plasma, which is, apparently, different from what powers the rest of the ship. (maybe that's why Voyager has two?)
@lucidmoses3 жыл бұрын
Retcon: Maybe they processed the ore on the station because the byproducts were toxic/deadly to there slave workers and can just be ejected to space.
@PrimeEvilDean3 жыл бұрын
The DS9 book "Day of the Vipers" says that the reason the Cardassians decided to process the ore on an orbital processing station is because to do so on the planet would render the planet itself uninhabitable. Like I guess it would poison the atmosphere. And the Cardassians aren't about to pass up the chance of having free slave labor in the Bajorans. Also not covered: There are rooms on the station that don't show up on the station's official schematics. Like if the station commander was under attack, there are places he/she could essentially "hide" until it was all clear. Even on the show, there was a door to a hallway in Sisko's office (I think it was only used a few times if that much) that led directly to a shuttle bay where I would assume Gul Dukat would make his escape, if he needed to.
@MC-gj8fg3 жыл бұрын
I was about to say that based on the degree of curvature we often see in shots of the habitat ring that such a size seemed unlikely. I then realized that the outer ring isn't the habitat but the docking ring. I don't remember shots from windows of the habitat ring showing the docking ring off in the distance so I guess I just assumed they were walking around the outer ring.
@Spiderbloke3 жыл бұрын
Star Trek was always a bit iffy when it came to the views out the window. You really should of seen more superstructure than you ever actually did. Entirely a budgetary thing though. Compositing properly angled views of the warp nacelles from the window of the Ent-D briefing room every time you had a scene in there would have been indulgently expensive and time consuming back then. Easy nowadays with digital editing and ubiquitous CGI.
@UpstateGardening3 жыл бұрын
The 3’s are based off their obsession with filing. Everything in triplicate.
@dlsisson1970Ай бұрын
Militarized accountants is a great way to describe Cardassians.
@DJRonnieG3 жыл бұрын
I always appreciate a Trek vid from British Ben. As for the mining operation, I think it was just a make-work job as to ensure that the Cardassians wouldn't risk giving provisions to slackers.
@nobleman93933 жыл бұрын
Deep Space Nine should be ranked as the 9th best ship
@curious58873 жыл бұрын
Is a space station not a ship
@leocoelho45363 жыл бұрын
processing the mineral in orbit would fit the Cardassian paranoia/security needs
@paddyokearney3 жыл бұрын
Fuck me im so early that I might actually have travelled back in time and fallen out of the space ship I clearly came here on. When does the next portal open? I need to sell batteries to the deep state.
@chouseification3 жыл бұрын
they don't want any batteries, but self-sealing stem bolts always sell well :P
@paddyokearney3 жыл бұрын
@@chouseification oh they want the batteries im selling. I've created a tesselated quantum space where I've contained a micro verse into a small box. Ye know the usual
@benjaminhoward-buck80753 жыл бұрын
Just one thing, Star Fleet did not install the landing pads on the DS9. In the episode Empork Nor, O'Brian mentions that the landing pads are sealed. It even shows on a graphic that they are of the standard design.
@trayolphia57563 жыл бұрын
6:32 what they did was apply warp field physics theory to the station... The whole point of the warp nacelles was to generate a field within which the relativistic affects of travelling faster than light were negated What they did on deep space nine was essentially the same thing, but at a much lower stage, simply allowing for something not designed to move all that much to move at all...
@mightelle3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps refining in on the space station means less pollution for Bajor. The Cardassians seemed they wanted to live there and take it over.
@scottmantooth87853 жыл бұрын
*many regions of Bajor were contaminated by Cardassian occupation shenanigans, especially the farming regions During this time, the Cardassians not only decimated the Bajoran population and destroyed large parts of its infrastructure, but also poisoned several areas of the planet in order to compromise the food supply after their withdrawal. Affected regions included the Dahkur and Rakantha Provinces as well as the Northwest peninsula. Following the occupation, the Bajoran Provisional Government took steps to revitalize the planet's agricultural sector, such as using special grain processing centers and irrigating the Trilar Peninsula. In 2371, the Bajoran Agricultural Ministry developed soil reclamators that could detoxify the soil, but their number was limited, causing quarrels about their usage.* *the Cardassian's could be described as just a bunch of naughty anti-social intergalactic bipedal alpha sphincters*
@mightelle3 жыл бұрын
@@scottmantooth8785 That's true!
@MoonjumperReviews Жыл бұрын
Nice video! I own that technical manual, which I bought new back when the show was airing. Read it thoroughly. However, it was a completely overlooked video game, “Deep Space Nine: Harbinger” which really allowed me to visualize the layout of DS9 extremely accurately. As the player, you could pretty well explore the entire station, walk through the pylons, etc. It really laid the station out beautifully and logically.
@MrGoesBoom3 жыл бұрын
Around the 6:00 min mark, Ben talking about engines in Star Trek reminded me of a question that's been bugging me since TNG was still airing new episodes. How the hell can impulse engines be put in reverse? AFAIK they have their own independent fusion system that somehow or other pushes the ship forward with hyper-energized gas/plasma ( as opposed to the Warp Drive that somehow uses superhot plasma from a matter/anti-matter engine pushed hundreds of meters away from it's point of creation through some sort of coils in nacelles to warp space ) to produce speeds up to 0.9c depending on which material you're getting your info from. So how the hell does that go in reverse? There are no impulse engines on the front of the ship to start pushing in the opposite direction.
@killwalker3 жыл бұрын
i think you would love the Screen Rant "Pitch Meetings" 😉
@eXcommunicate19793 жыл бұрын
Perhaps it is just shorthand for rerouting impulse power to the reverse thrusters.
@17wolf3593 жыл бұрын
When you discussed "size matters", you should have mentioned the scaling issue between the Enterprise D and the station....to make the station look bigger, they scaled down the big D to about half it's actual size. In one episode, they show a Galaxy class ship (USS Venture maybe) docked at the top of one of the pylons on the edge of the saucer section...which would not physically fit inside the upper parts of the pylons....unless one of the hidden features of DS9 was a "size reducer field", so that any size ship would be able to dock with it...
@nolanturner56073 жыл бұрын
It might have also been the Enterprise, Picard did make 2 stops at DS9 through the run of the series
@gregorygreenwood-nimmo49543 жыл бұрын
I always enjoyed Deep Space 9. I know a lot of Star Trek fans had issues with it because the station wasn't a space ship and its primary mission wasn't exploration (along with the fact that the core ongoing serialised plotline of the show was a war which some felt undermined the pacifist credentials of Star Fleet), but it was my favourite of the Next Generation era series. I used to watch both Deep Space 9 and Babylon 5 (two awesome space station based series running in the 1990s for some reason), much to the annoyance of my brother who can't stand sci fi. Ah, good times.
@chrisdefresne32352 жыл бұрын
DS9 was based on the series bible for B5. The creator of B5 tried to sell it to Paramount and sent them the B5 series bible for consideration.
@gregorygreenwood-nimmo49542 жыл бұрын
@@chrisdefresne3235 That explains a lot. It is sadly unsurprising that plagiarism played a role somewhere.
@USSGobLin3 жыл бұрын
The US Navy along with the team that did the research, recently filed a patent of a system that lowers inertial mass. Apparently, they also have another patent for establishing a quantum vacuum around a hull which is supposed to reduce friction. One more patent they filed is a device to emit high frequency gravity waves.
@olivierpoulin76963 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the station might have been built in the Cardassian system and then towed to Bajor like we do with oil platform. Also, there is the possibility of using micro gravity during the ore processing. We are actually trying this kind of things on the ISS.
@kevinmencer3782 Жыл бұрын
No, DS9 was built in orbit of Bajor. That's how Bajoran partisans were able to sabotage the replicators with a virus making machine.
@sarahnachtrose3 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: For the game Star Trek Online the DS9 promenade deck, piece for piece the original sets was rebuilt. Producers and actors of the original series were impressive that was the first time that they see the deck in a row. In the film shoot they always had only part pieces in the studio.
@constancevigilance36923 жыл бұрын
I was such a fan of DS9. I still have a little plastic model to put together and paint. My husband gave it to me for a birthday present. DS9 is by far the best Star Trek show. Those episodes with the dominion were so great. And everything about Odo and the cardassians. Ever so intelligent. Or those episodes with Quark and Odo... The best episode ever: Sisco brings the Romulans to join the war. Isn't it the most intelligent episode ever?
@realamerican76263 жыл бұрын
the station also had heavy duty industrial replicators as well
@sgtmyers882 жыл бұрын
@9:33 It actually makes sense from an engineering and safety standpoint. Extra redundancy in the event there was a security breach, an uncaught nuclear/biological/chemical incident with a docked ship, and a mechanical system failure to prevent the station from being depressurized in the event one of the doors failed and opened into space. (see once again, the rule of threes,) The Cardies knew what they were doing. :)
@ivankrylov62702 жыл бұрын
There were a few lines in the show where they said the Cardassians were strip mining the planet. So it's pretty safe to assume they'd beam huge chunks under it into space and then refine it by hand. Much more efficient than flying it around the planet
@markouljancic9753 жыл бұрын
DS9 was always the best ST series for my taste...as a trekki I like them all
@errantknight-f2z3 жыл бұрын
I would suggest that the Cardassians moved the raw ore up to DS9 for refining as a secuirty measure against sabotage
@user-fh6mc9du5nАй бұрын
Given that The Original Series was imagined by Gene Roddenbury as a "Wagon Train To The Stars", it makes sense that many aspects of Deep Space 9 would resemble those you would find in many of the wild west towns/cities depicted in western TV shows/movies.
@sokagofferenginar86692 жыл бұрын
Never thought about it but now that you said it there are a lot of similarities between towns in western movies and the Promenade Western towns often also had a church that would have been taken by the bajoran temple
@danielgilleland86112 жыл бұрын
2:36 - Perhaps Terok Nor was originally supplied with ore via a set of space elevators. Or, perhaps to protect from sabotage, they found it more cost effective to process it in space. Also, it's colder in space, and given the heat under which the Bajorans worked in refining the ore, the idea of a facility in space where heat can more easily be "bled off", it made it a safer and more productive environment. Thoughts? (After all, we're just making this stuff up, eh?)
@matthewjames68263 жыл бұрын
You should do a video on the more obscure areas of deep space nine. As well as the Enterprise 1701-D&E etc. Aka stuff that was mentioned but rarely if ever show. But was still interesting as well as perhaps important too.
@StormsparkPegasus3 жыл бұрын
Getting things into space being super expensive is true by our standards today, but in Star Trek they can just transport stuff around with very little cost (and getting into orbit is no big deal at all). The Cardassians just didn't want refineries on the planet where they could be taken over by resistance fighters.
@chouseification3 жыл бұрын
exactly right - it's like Generation Film never actually watched the show and is conveniently forgetting EVERYTHING we know about the occupation of Bajor.
@ajmittendorf2 жыл бұрын
There are some elements, even in reality, that can be handled better in a space environment (zero-G, for example) than they can be on a planet. It might be that such ore needs to be refined in space for this reason. As far as the waste goes, they can easily aim it at the Bajoran sun and shoot it out without a lot of effort or energy.
@kevinmencer3782 Жыл бұрын
And also, the Bajoran resistance was picking up steam at the time of the station's construction. It's entirely possible the Cardassians had valid security concerns regarding the ore they were mining (especially the fact that the raw ore could explode when charged with electricity). Moving ore processing and shipment to the station probably closed quite a few security holes that were beginning to pop up.
@nightingale83393 жыл бұрын
My thoughts on the refinery ON the station is that Bayor was an occupied planet with an active resistances, I think from the point of the cardassians they dont want to expose every step of the mining process located on the planet... it was harder to plan an attack on the station than on the surface of the planet for the resistance. The Reference to a western town for the promenade makes so much sense... I never thought of it like that.
@Gods-bad-boy3 жыл бұрын
The reason why they minded in space was to keep the slaves separate from the Earth Slash baijal
@sflowers99gmail2 жыл бұрын
18% humidity is likely a script typo, if we're talking human comfort its going to be more like 50%.
@jfbeam2 жыл бұрын
As basically _everyone_ has pointed out... the Trek universe has matter-energy conversion technology (transporters, replicators, etc.) so dealing with ore processing tailings is simple: _convert it to energy_ (of course, some of that waste stream might also be processed into other things.) Also, they have anto=i-gravity tech in addition to transporters, so moving rocks around it's the same scale of problem we cavemen have. (and they use slave labor in their mines, so they don't care.)
@radioflyer689113 жыл бұрын
Actually it makes sense to process ore on the space station if you're occupying a world where there's an active resistance. I'm sure there would be surface processing as well. But those would be occasionally sabotaged. And the waste can be ejected to burn up in the atmosphere or launched toward the star/sun.
@kevinlaity59313 жыл бұрын
On the ore processing thing: The waste can be recycled into useable energy using replicator technology, which may be able to help pay for the energy cost of beaming. It'd still be more efficient to do it on the surface, but in space its probably easier to control the slaves.
@keagaming98373 жыл бұрын
I always compare Deep Space Nine to shows like When Calls The Heart or wild west shows, and this video proves my point. Cardassians like the number 3? Nowonder.
@davidanttila93053 жыл бұрын
The Problem was that the Special effects team didn't coordinate with the design team. Resulting in the effect errors. Also the station Refining the ore actually made sense. If you look at the pylons as being used to load the ore onto freighters. With the top 3 being used for processed ore. Then the Bottom 3 being used to load mined Raw Ore. Also remember the Bajorns made it a habit of sabotaging Cardassain operations. So security made sense to minimize that threat. Lastly if Cardassain ships and stations are anything to go by DS9 was an old left over Cardassain station from way back long ago. If memory serves i think it was referenced that there was only 8 or 9 left mostly abandoned derelict Stations and maybe 1 or 2 left in use in Cardassain space.
@albertbarie53052 жыл бұрын
I think being number ten on a list of best ships is impressive for a space station.
@dennisud3 жыл бұрын
Nice to know all this! NOW, are you continuing the Ship Vs Ship from different Series? I really think you guys should do the Original Battlestar Galactica Ships Vs. The Imp Destroyers! Yah know what I mean!
@ranosian11353 жыл бұрын
Actually a orbital ore process facility makes sense. The low gravity may help the refining- increasing yield. The processed material can easily be shipped away. The waste rock was likely dumped into Bajor's atmosphere and burned up.
@Starplaya3 жыл бұрын
OK That's enough! I can't stop myself from subscribing to your channel anymore, too much good high quality videos from the content I like
@christophbaake46843 жыл бұрын
If it was explosive ore. Wouldn't it be safer to transport (beam) it then carry it. And if you beam it you can also directly beam it to Orbit. The waste Material can be thrown overboard to fall down to the Planet as dust... In my opinion that could be a pretty awesome solution for a lot of common Mining Problems.
@darwinxavier35163 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing about the rotary turrets firing phasers and torpedoes from the same holes. But a while ago I got curious and looked very closely. The torpedoes come out of the holes, while the phasers come from bands that wrap around the holes.
@twilightghost46 Жыл бұрын
As we've seen and heard in ST films and ST:Picard, approaching and departing ships call the approach control or dockmaster for clearances, but DS9 kinda side-stepped the tradition using either Kira or O'Brien mostly.
@originaluddite3 жыл бұрын
Apparently the rising platforms for runabouts was a tip of the hat to similar designs in Space 1999.
@fresetu3 жыл бұрын
Well, just like the ore could have been transferred via transporters, the waste could have been disposed of via transporters (loading the waste into the buffer and then purging it); or they even could have converted the matter of the waste into energy (E=mc²). But, as a whole, I agree that it's quite ridiculous to transport unrefined ore into space.
@TheJadeFist3 жыл бұрын
A space station being used to refine the ore might be easier. They could potentially mine the ore from all over the planet and beam it to one spot to refine. This could also be a safety and environmental conservation feature. It would also be ready and packaged for interstellar transport as soon as it was refined, along with what ever the waste materials get used for.
@jhmcd23 жыл бұрын
I think the reason why they built the ore processing faciltiy in orbit was sort of explaining in one of the episodes. Basically put terrorism was too numerous on the surface so they had no choice but to put this key facility in orbit.
@drewyourhostwiththeghost3 жыл бұрын
Can you do a comparison size of the various ST space station? I'd like to know what the K7 compares with others.
@ShakaarGaleed Жыл бұрын
The thing about "reducing the station's inertial mass" made me think that it's just a more "technobabble" (or is it more "Treknobabble"?) version of Mass Effect reducing mass of an object by directing different polarities of energy through something called "Element Zero".
@Mike-tg7dj3 жыл бұрын
That was the only series to fight an epic galactic war. TNG didn't do that though it had its share of showdowns and Voyager likewise, but Deep Space 9 always had the war as a backdrop for any direction they wanted. It was unprofitable for the Cardassians for reasons you made perfectly clear. The individual who thought up that whole process the ore in space thing obviously wasn't their best mathematician right? This was a golden opportunity for the Cardassians to dump it off on whomever in this case the Bajoran planet. You all know the rest of the story with the exception of how the Cardassians have a whole other station Empok Nor float in their mothball fleet in the middle of nowhere Cardassian space, and it's identical to DS9.
@chloedevereaux18013 жыл бұрын
this explains why there's always rocks on the bridge ect when there's an explosion :D
@akoww10003 жыл бұрын
2:54 It does make a lot of sense refining ore in space. Yes, you have to transport it to the station but it's very easy to get rid of the trash materials, hazardous leftovers, or chemicals used to refine the ore by ejecting it into space instead of dumping it into some type of landfill that could cause worse problems.
@worldbestt-shirtshoodie-go61843 жыл бұрын
Can you make TNG Engineering Systems Warp Energy in Watt please? Why warp energy is in Jules....
@thomascushing51082 жыл бұрын
Rhetorical question - Why would the Federation convert perfectly serviceable living quarters to shuttle bays, when the station already has probably thousands of cubic meters of space in the now-unused and pretty much useless ore refining areas?
@whisper14212 жыл бұрын
I always thought it'd be cool to see them attach Empok Nor (the sister station) to the bottom of Terok Nor (Deep Space Nine) to roughly double the size of the station. Just cut off portions of the lower pylons (Terok) & the upper pylons (Empok), and merge them. Maybe put some of those rib shaped shipyard/repair bays (like Utopia Planitia uses) in between the upper & lower rings for repairing outer hulls of visiting starships.
@edwardrosier18053 жыл бұрын
All Startrek ships have IDS (Inertial Dampening System) so that when they don't go splat when they use the sublight engines. The IDS lowers the mass of the ship/station.
@Firefox13A2 жыл бұрын
It's just so much cooler when you scale it to NYC... Also "The Kardassians* have a habit of leaving" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA that was good
@soulextracter3 жыл бұрын
My theory is that since the Cardassians were oppressive, they might have thought it good to have the ore refinery in orbit which would have made it far more hopeless to try to escape from there. That would certainly lower morale and the risk for a revolt.
@builder3963 жыл бұрын
Regarding the transport dilemma: Why wouldnt the waste rock be taken back down by the same ships that shipped the ore up?
@bjoernusw51953 жыл бұрын
just crush it into relative small pieces and vent it into space in the general direction of the planet. The atmosphere will take care of the rest, and I don't think the cardassians would have cared about poisoning bajor
@BasicShapes3 жыл бұрын
I've always thought the reason they used Terok Nor for ore processing (instead of building a facility on Bajor) was to help keep the Bajoran workers from revolting. Of course they might try, but where would they go? Similar in concept to Alcatraz being surrounded by water, making it that much harder to escape and actually get somewhere. Now, as far as why they "had" to use slave labor instead of just machines or technology to extract/process the ore, I'll never quite understand.....and the only real explanation I can come up with is "they needed to be evil so the show made them evil" Lol
@joeottsoulbikes4153 жыл бұрын
#7....the number 3 o session of the Cardasians. The docking arms top and bottom with the center arm to the promenade look like the number 3.
@Z1gguratVert1go2 жыл бұрын
If I were writing this show, I would not have gone with ore refinement as the reason for Terok Nor. I would have made it the administrative center, where the highest ranking officers and bureaucrats could live beyond the reach of resistance attacks. Also it could adjust its orbit, to be above troubled areas to beam troops up or down as needed. You could put the worst Bajoran prisoners there too, beyond any hope of rescue. I'm sure it's pretty intimidating as well, to look up at the sky and see that big-ass space station oppressing you anytime it was visible overhead.