10 "Good" Video Game Factions That Are Secretly Evil

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[@shareeclifton2265]

Preston is a good, sweet and brave man. I will hear no slander about him

[@comradestannis]

In the meantime, I'll mark this settlement on your map!

[@adamgill9730]

In my opinion, he is just an imitation of Kaz from the MGS series

[@comradestannis]

@@adamgill9730 Kaz is an imitation of him.

[@PKFlashOmega]

Good companion and great guy who is unfortunately stricken with both understandable depression and PTSD while saddled with a terrible game mechanic.

[@sunayocarissime5309]

Again a guy with his heart in the right place but his brain is soup. Preston is a great guy, but even he has his flaws but those are usually countered by the Soul Survivor IF said SS sides with the Minutemen. That and its a classic case of, "taking something that was dismantled and corrupt and reforging it into something beneficial."

[@TitusRedwind]

Followers of the apocalypse aren't evil. They're just a bit incompetent.

[@kingjamos2422]

Yup. Dangerously incompetent. Which just makes them accidently make everything worse. Not to mention that they are quite naive to think that teaching those that have known nothing but violent survival how to better themselves couldn't go wrong. Often times it just bites them on the ass. They are essentially what you get when you introduce Steve Urkel to the wastelands. The "Did I do that?" moments become fatal without them really doing wrong. Calling them evil is a big stretch.

[@Macrochenia]

@@kingjamos2422 Except that most of the stuff Caesar did was not a result of what he learned from the FotA. And it's not like there are any factions in the Fallout universe that have a track record that has less screw ups.

[@orangefrisby2366]

Like communists 😅

[@kingjamos2422]

@@Macrochenia Agreed. They just have a tendency of messing things up. That's it. My point was that they are definitely not evil.

[@st.anselmsfire3547]

They are basically university communists. They only see the good in Marx and literally cannot comprehend how this could go bad when selfish people take over. The Followers are the type of people who say that *true* communism has never been put into practice and don't really realize that's kind of a self-own in itself. And true communism has been put into practice - in the kibbutz in Israel. But no one wants to claim them either.

[@kaitoking1945]

I'll talk to Preston about this matter as soon as I'm done helping this settlement

[@Ensensu2]

The only way Preston Garvey is evil is that he keeps annoying you with endless requests to help every single settlement.

[@CyGogetenks]

​@Ensensu2 honestly that's why I play with mods, because of that annoying quirk. There's a mod where the quests come through a radio station later after a certain quest is done. (Avoiding spoilers as best I can)

[@Ioganstone]

@@CyGogetenks Woah that's quite a confession

[@Ioganstone]

@@Ensensu2 If you check out the fandom page he is pretty open about his misconceptions about the Minutemen and the inability to protect Quincy. So this hubris of his is self-admittedly evil.

[@CyGogetenks]

@Ioganstone what? That I use mods? It's a offline FPS RPG, whoop de do, all they do is disable trophies, I'm no trophy hunter, I've been gaming since 89, right now I have a spouse with kidney failure, I want to game to relax, not get mauled to death just trying to enjoy the story of a game. So if a single player game can cheat, I cheat. Basically do when I new game plus the hell out of a game. When I play online I play fair, no mods or cheats. I never play on PC, other than one game and I don't buy mods. I don't condone cheating in online games, or using mods in online games, especially in tournament matches. I play for fun, offline, I don't do twitch streaming, don't care to. So yep, if it was about the fact that I use mods, then there ya go. If it was about the spoiler, I try not to spoil any detail of a game, in case they've not yet played it, or haven't watched a video on it. I try and give the games respect in that regard.

[@Canadamus_Prime]

For a number of these, you are painting the entire faction by the actions of one individual.

[@alexnicklay8626]

They also included factions which arnt evil, the followers of the apocalypse, the companions and the minutemen are not even close to being evil, they aren't even hiding what they are doing either

[@Canadamus_Prime]

@@alexnicklay8626 Right? Inadvertently causing harm because people take advantage of you doesn't make you evil.

[@alexnicklay8626]

@Canadamus_Prime 100% agreed, she picked the least evil faction in fallout 4 including the minor factions. There is a very good reason everyone who plays fallout 4 considered the minutemen the boring good guys, because every other faction is more nuanced and morally complicated than them.

[@MGG87]

Nothing new for WhatCulture. Their lists are never accurate.

[@Canadamus_Prime]

@@alexnicklay8626 Haven't played Fallout 4, but the Followers of the Apocalypse have been in the franchise since the very first game and there couldn't be a faction LESS evil.

[@anthonysmurthwaite6258]

The Dalish tribes aren't a single faction, they aren't even the only Dalish tribe in Origins there's at least 3 that play a significant role in quests I can think of

[@saint-g7449]

The Dalish, in general, are separated as it is. Some attack anyone that get near their camp. While others trade with settlements. Each clan is different from one another.

[@mbiesbjerg92]

and it was not really the clan that did it it was only Zathrian and as I remember it the clan did't know what he had done so i dont really think that they fit this catagori 🤔

[@CedricPETIEU-hh3tk]

The Minutemen are not evil. This faction have betrayed. Actually, Preston Garvey IS the Minutemen.

[@saint-g7449]

That's what she said.

[@st.anselmsfire3547]

There's a settlement that needs your help. I'll mark it on your map.

[@zambekiller]

But they are evil more than half of them joined the Gunner's and became the very thing they swore to destroy

[@zachlewis2751]

​@@st.anselmsfire3547fuck it! I'll destroy that settlement myself

[@comradestannis]

@@zambekiller that's... not the same thing, though.

[@andrewwigley745]

That one incident from a certain dalish tribe doesnt make all dalish tribes evil 😭

[@cbordagesg2]

Id also go a bit further. The actions of the keeper is not the fault of the tribe

[@6Mourning6Star6]

@@cbordagesg2 Fr though. The tribe had no idea of Zathrian's involvement with the werewolves. They didn't know it was his curse that made him seem immortal and made them think he had unlocked some secret history of the Dalish that involved their used to be long lived lifespans.

[@derrickhaggard]

@@6Mourning6Star6 Correct hence why I always go for the peaceful middle option which ironically ends with a fight which is ask Zathrian to end the curse because the innocent descendants of the guilty who actually did the crimes he mentioned and the Dalish Tribe are both suffering because of his vengeance and just letting go of the hate and ending the curse saves both from the curse. And like Alister says when Zathrian asks why I'm asking him to end the curse "Because we do what's right no matter what." And going for the option that saves both the humans and the elves is the option I'm going with.

[@andrewbyrne2173]

I’ll just say just because one person is evil, that doesn’t make the entire faction evil. Particularly in the case of the Dalish. The elves were unaware one of their own was behind the werewolf creation.

[@troperhghar9898]

My dad always taught me that "perfect is the enemy of 'good enough' and demanding a perfect answer while tossing away any option that costs you something leaves you with nothing"

[@antonfowler6582]

In quincy ONE minute man joined the gunners and betrayed the minute men . This does not make them all evil just some of them .

[@NemoEtNihil]

The fact that The Last of Us Part II frames the Fireflies as benevolent freedom fighters is just another aspect of that game that feels directly at odds with the first.

[@OrkBoyChuck]

The shifting perspectives from Abby and Ellie is your first clue that perspective makes the cycle of violence more tragic. It isnt at odds with the first game and actually enhances the experience.

[@ombra711]

You like the idiot who came up with this list just do not get it

[@seaberry11]

The game wasn’t trying to frame the fireflies as benevolent. You were seeing things from Abby’s point of view. The same way you don’t see Joel as the murderous raider he was…because you played with him and Ellie in the first game. Joel was not a hero, the fireflies were not heroes, death creates a constant cycle of death. That is what these games are trying to say.

[@joshrosario1269]

​​@@seaberry11except we did see Joel as a murderous raider even in his point of view, we start the game with him being a odd jobs man doing criminal smuggling work, his own brother admonishes his past actions during the earlier days of the apocalypse, and even he views his actions as abhorrent albeit necessary for survival. Abby was a wilfully ignorant idiot that was willing to kill people who killed in self defense, especially considering the fact that the fireflies already tried like 8 different times with 8 different immune people and just killed them all without getting a cure, which is what was gonna happen with Ellie. At least joel kills out of necessity, in our playthrough and in the way they talk about the past, everything he did was for survival, abby had nothing to gain, there was no positive in what she did, just negative, what I'm trying to say is the second game sucked

[@seaberry11]

@@joshrosario1269 no, Abby was a child. She didn’t know the inner workings of the Fireflies, she just knew Joel killed her dad. Y’all only think the game sucks because she killed Joel. Which storytelling wise was the only logical conclusion after the end of part one. The story is great, the only problem was the way they setup the telling of the story. They should’ve did a back and forth between Ellie and Abby’s levels to tell the story. It would’ve given it a better cat and mouse feel. Saying Abby was “willfully ignorant” is weird. A child whose father was murdered and is looking for revenge…she doesn’t know, or frankly should care why Joel killed her father. It’s funny how you could make excuses for the way Joel lived because “survival” but call Abby ignorant. Joel had a place he could safely stay, he didn’t have to murder people, he could’ve went with his brother…who left him because he became so evil. Joel didn’t do those things for survival, he did them out of spite because his daughter died. That’s willful ignorance. That is also the point of the game, revenge is a never ending cycle.

[@nemesis2345]

So in Far Cry 4 the happy ending comes from just waiting for Pagan

[@BOTHthosearetaken]

Well yeah. That's the one where you get to eat crab rangoon

[@valkyrieheart88]

FC5 is the same way. The least messed up ending is not arresting Seed at the beginning

[@wesleycolvin7158]

To be honest, if you're dealing with a group called 'The Iron Hand' or 'Brotherhood of the Apocalypse', their name alone kind of implies that they may not have your best interests at heart. The Minutemen aren't evil because everything happened in the past as a major aspect of the backstory, not the group at present in the story.

[@zachlewis2751]

There are iron hands in the wh 40,000 ip! Guess if they baddies?

[@bdk336]

@@zachlewis2751 Everyone is baddies in WH40k

[@morgantaylor84]

@@zachlewis2751 If they're Imperium, yes probably. The only truly objectively good factions in the Imperium are the Ultramarines, the Imperial Guard (at least the lower ranks) and the Daemon Hunters among the Inquisition. There are other "good" factions as well outside the Imperium, the Eldar (that aren't the Dark Eldar) are good, but a-holes and the Tau are generally good if a bit extreme in their methods in the leadership. Oh and before you bring them up, no the Nids and Orkz aren't "good" but they aren't "evil" either.

[@CyGogetenks]

I agree about the Minutemen, yes their faction prior to the Lone Survivor was a corrupt mess that had one surviving member left, though he was forward with what occurred in Quincy. Not to the detail perhaps as notes and reports did, though he was forthcoming with the betrayal from within.

[@TheReqyem]

The followers of the apocalypse are the "good" faction in fallout new vegas.

[@derrickhaggard]

I knew The Fireflies especially their leader Marlene were villainous long before TLOU's final act in the hospital especially due to hearing how they massacred whole groups of innocent people simply because they refused to bow down to Marlene as their dictator queen, and then there's the revelation of "spoiler alert" of Marlene more then likely being the one who murdered Ellie's mom when Ellie was a baby. And then there's the whole Ellie being the key to a vaccine/possible cure right first as Joel when you're going back through the hospital on that violent rescue mission you find notes revealing that there were other immune individuals put through the same surgery and it didn't work which meant they died for nothing, meaning there was a 99% chance that Ellie was going to also die for nothing. And even if it worked given the other villainous crap the Fireflies especially Marlene pulled there was a high chance that Marlene was going to hold the cure to saving humanity hostage and only give it to the people who bow down to her and become her slaves.

[@deadworld953]

I keep having to point this out to people. I swear, if you put on scrubs and a surgical mask people will believe literally anything you say.

[@davidtitleman8743]

Actually, in the show, Marlene did kill Ellie's mom, but it was a mercy kill. She was infected while giving birth to Ellie and would have turned. That's why Ellie is immune; she was literally born with the cordyceps, becoming a symbiosis rather than a parasitic relationship. Neil Druckmann worked on the show and said Ellie's backstory is canon to the games. On remakes, they took out the recordings that said the operation would have failed; I've no idea why they included that, guess it was a big mistake. The directors of both the game and the show said that if they did the procedure, they'd have the vaccine. Kinda railroading but . And In real life, doctors said they would never, ever do the procedure. Which I agree with. Where did they say they executed civilians, I must have missed that part? Even then, I agree with your last paragraph - the cure wouldn't help anyone. If the Fireflies wanted to help they should have learned from Jackson.

[@ericlamb4501]

Honestly they didn't even need to cut Ellie's brain out either, they could have just done a spinal tap

[@dreadcthulhu5]

@@deadworld953 *2020 has entered the chat*

[@DMBLaan]

Another point against the Fireflys, killing Ellie for a "cure" is pointless because that not how you get a "cure" for a fungal infection. Fungus doesn't work the same way as a virus, their 2 completely different kinds of infection and can't be cured in the same way as the other. So yeah, if they killed Ellie, not only would they have killed the only person immune to the fungus, they also wouldn't have a cure for it either.

[@NoHateLikeChristianLove]

But you can kill fungi, and find ways to stop them from taking hold, or releasing spores. From what I’ve heard it’s easier to cure a fungus because unlike a virus they don’t evolve constantly. That’s why C19 was so hard to get a hold on. Every infected person is a chance to evolve. Which is why people not taking full courses of antibiotics makes viruses more resistant to treatments. There’s no way to get a “one size fits all” type of treatment/cure.

[@DMBLaan]

@@NoHateLikeChristianLove But this isn't what the Fireflys were doing. If they wanted to find a cure, they'd have done better keeping Ellie alive to run more, less invasive test.

[@NoHateLikeChristianLove]

@@DMBLaan True. But you can find a “cure” in that you can find a version of medicine we do have that kills off the fungi in your body and prevents it from surviving in your body.

[@ericlamb4501]

Honestly they probably wouldn't even need Ellie period, fungus is either the easiest thing or the worst for our bodies to fight, since, from birth, our immune system is made to fight it off and it really only becomes a problem if you have immune system disorders of any type. So, given the premise of The Last of Us, they'd just need to take our modern anti-fungal drugs, as well as the knowledge we have of what can kill fungal infections and mushrooms, and combine it and apply it. Especially given that they apparently have one of the last doctors capable of brain surgery, that they wouldn't think of that is just stupid. Not to mention they'd find it easier if they worked together with others.

[@brynyardley5353]

The fire flies are not evil tbh and their not trying to find a cure but a vaccine ,

[@slamwisebamgee]

Honestly, the Stormcloaks are worse than the Companions. Companions are basically your run-of-the-mill mercenary band (plus lycanthropy), whereas the Stormcloaks are known for anti-elf sentiment and their own stronghold regularly discriminates against the elves within the city. I'd take the Companions (who only give their lycanthropy to people who consent to it) over a xenophobic group like the Stormcloaks (even if I think their side of the Civil War questline is more interesting) any day.

[@briwanderz]

I'd say all of Skyrim is racists... How many kaajit get to live in solitude? Are there any living in the blue palace? If you play a kaajit they all make rather racist comments... As do most all Nords against any race "Skyrim belongs to the Nords" (including your followers) but about the companions you are right, other then hiding the lycanthropy, they are very straightforward about what they do and might be the only ones who don't care what race you are.

[@KronosCuteTiger]

The Dailish had nothing to do with it, the crime lays solely on the leader. He did it as revenge for the forced naughtys of his daughter.

[@andrewbyrne2173]

Exactly. Have a like.

[@JeighEssdott]

The companions weren’t that bad, now the Dark Brotherhood, for instance…but the DB never posed as good, Astrid literally kidnaps you and forces the player to Deactivate one of three people she’s captured before the start of the DB quest, so never mind lmao

[@tubensalat1453]

I never slaughtered any civilians after I became a werewolf. Isn't the standard route out of the city and then you handle some silver hands? (Also I'd hate to accidentally remove traders from this traveling salesman sim.)

[@animewitch1416]

You don’t even have to leave the city on your own. If you stay near the guild hall, no one will attack you and you automatically get teleported to the silver hand base after a few minutes.

[@Viglin123]

Aren’t Silver Hands good guys? Monster hunters ?

[@TinKnight]

​@Viglin123 Only if you call the Companions evil. It's mostly about perspective. But the Silver Hand also capture & torture Companions & other lycathropes, & seemingly do so just for giggles/joy. Most people would consider gleefully torturing & flaying someone to be bad, no matter the crime.

[@KevinSeth666]

You can also re-enter the Underforge and leave through the back exit

[@KevinSeth666]

@@Viglin123 They used to be solely werewolf hunters but they are just another group of bandits by the time you meet them in the game. I mean they attack you even if you aren't a werewolf

[@dragonstryk7280]

Okay, several of these are a stretch, biggest one being the Alliance and The various Fallout factions. For the Alliance, they've literally been at war for generations against invading races, and yeah, splinter factions happen, it doesn't make the Alliance itself evil, it just shows that they're, y'know, human. For Fallout, everyone not a Vault Dweller from a control vault has serious issues because Fallout. I mean, it makes sense, several CENTURIES of horrible crap is going to have some folks not particularly becoming the paragons of virtue. And again, a theme that keeps coming up is 'Oh look, a splinter group within X faction did Y, and that makes the faction evil'.

[@evolancer211]

You know the fireflies are bad cause they want to go directly into Elle's brain, instead of trying non life threatening things first

[@ReicantheJester]

Also, the fireflies in TLoU, their "doctors" had mostly veterinarian experience and not actual human doctors and Ellie was not the first immune person they found, but since they had no clue what they were doing and were looking blindly for some sort of cure, all the other immune people they came across died on the operating tables and they were no closer to a cure for it, meaning Ellie would have died for absolutely nothing. if you do a video of games where some factions or races are experiencing peak irony for their own actions you could look at the Elves in the Witcher series, how they were driven out of their homelands, abused, killed or treated like lower worth beings by the humans, you may look to what the Aen Seidhe did to a species of reptilian people that were there even before the elves were, the Vran. If you side with Iorveth in Witcher 2, you will hear him point out some of these things when you reach Loc Muinne.

[@sond.lollipop8919]

THIS! I’ve said this for years and starkly defended Joel for his choice. There was NO guarantee for even a chance they could get a cure from Ellie’s brain like they hoped they could.

[@JMoore-uc1zp]

​@@sond.lollipop8919same bro no one listens to audio tapes or reads records and it shows ellie would have died for absolutely nothing and joel seen that and wasnt letting that happen

[@NoHateLikeChristianLove]

@@JMoore-uc1zpAt the same time you can’t blame Abby for wanting revenge for killing all the doctors there.

[@Shoelessjoe78]

​@@sond.lollipop8919But Joel is also a psychopath and murderer or did you forget that part of the story. There are no "good guys"...

[@kingjamos2422]

@@sond.lollipop8919 I saw it as more of a case of Joel being in the wrong... and so were the Fireflies. There are no heroes, just men driven to extremes in a destroyed world. Which was kind of the point. Joel wasn't a hero to begin with, he was just a man seeing the one thing left in this world that makes life worth living in danger. He wasn't about to lose a daughter again. Love can make monsters of us all.

[@renamoda5450]

There is a settlement that needs your help.

[@frostdemen1]

Disregard that because another settlement needs your help.

[@tubensalat1453]

I marked both on your map.

[@friskdacatarchival]

Lets be real here, if the Minutemen WERE evil, theyd be horribly inefficient at really doing much harm. Theyre literally just a few people with guns and a lot of willpower.

[@joshrosario1269]

11:30 Caesar didn't learn about the roman empire from follower teachings, he found books in the grand canyon and then decided romans were cool. Saying that ceasar learned how to rule under followers of the apocalypse teachings feels intentionally misleading ngl

[@kcollier2192]

Wait - someone actually finished any quest line in Skyrim? Inconceivable!

[@JeighEssdott]

Yo my favorite quest was the Nightingales quest…the armor you get by the end of the quest is 💰

[@piotrdworowy183]

I've finished them all, almost: never joined the Vampires ,so this quest line I kinda did not.

[@piotrdworowy183]

​@@JeighEssdottI thing Nightingale armor looks the best in the whole game.

[@JeighEssdott]

@@piotrdworowy183 that with a Blades sword or the Ebony blade, makes a badass combination

[@piotrdworowy183]

@@JeighEssdott Always with Nightingale "sword" and that gold one - I forgot the name - probably the reward from Meridia 🤔

[@ComaDave]

Life as a child labourer in Kyrat would be especially brutal, considering there's only one kid in the entire country. 🤔

[@spiritwolf3103]

Day 11 of asking for 'Games where the bad ending is the canon ending.' Please include Shadow Hearts series.

[@dastemplar9681]

You can argue that the Minutemen is just history repeating itself. Countless times we have seen nations and armies rise with good intentions, but they always seem to fall for the same reasons. The Minutemen became too powerful to keep the corruption in check and lead to its own demise. It stopped being an army of the people, by the people, for the people. Now that’s not to say there’s no good people in the Minutemen nor that the idea of the faction’s existence isn’t a good cause. It’s just a vulnerable system that could be easily tainted by human ambition and greed. I mean, after all… War, war never changes…

[@shadowki5687]

I refuse to accept any slander against the Minutemen and my boy Preston Garvey

[@giantnerd14]

I don't think Followers of the Apocalypse failures don't make them evil, just naive and unorganized.

[@ARC_Nemisis]

The Followers, Minutemen, and Dalish are really being judged based on one member than as a whole here. Caesar read some books and went nuts thinking he was the best thing in the wasteland since The Chosen One. Pretty sure it was only one Minuteman member who betrayed the rest of his squad and the town to the Gunners (feel free to corect me if im wrong). And the Dalish leader was the only one of the Dalish who knew what he did, and he kinda had some deep motivations for why he cursed those people. In general most of these factions are still good, though I'd say the Dalish are more neutral since they're kinsa xenophobic and Isolationist.

[@NicoBlack69]

Yeah, this is about what I expected from a Watchculture vid.

[@venkelos6996]

I'm inclined to say that the modern day Companions also descend from what might be considered a not too lofty, or honorable, history. From Yssgramor, at the start, the goals of the Atmorans, and his own kin, specifically, wasn't exactly laudable, coming to wipe out an entire breed of Elves, and possibly already being under the sway of Alduin, and the Dragons. Leaving Atmora was necessary, and certainly you can't always find conveniently empty, and bountiful, land, but the Companions were, if not the bad guys, then at least not the good ones, right from the start.

[@ShadowEX7]

I would’ve added the Stormcloaks from Skyrim. While the Empire isn’t perfectly good, they’re trying to hold everyone together in the face of an enemy whose only goal is to destroy all humanity. Meanwhile, the Stormcloaks are mostly just agitators, willing to go to war with their former allies while they largely ignore their real enemies who’ve orchestrated this war!

[@Juggtacula]

It wasn't that the Dalish were evil. It was Zathrian, their leader who was evil and they were simply following his lead while not knowing how vile he truly was.

[@Bowen_Landry]

and even he wasn't evil. he did it to their predecessors, because they tortured and raped his daughter, also tortured and killed his son. so is it's wrong for the curse to remain on their ancestors. but not evil.

[@Juggtacula]

@Bowen_Landry His initial revenge was justified, but what made him evil is he forced the Lady of the Forest into a wolf to create Witherfang against her will, which created the curse. And he knew the entire time that the curse would continue forever until he broke it. Also he made himself immortal in the process and wanted to keep the whole thing secret.

[@derrickhaggard]

@@Bowen_Landry You meant descendants. And that reason is why I took the middle option aka asking Zathrian to end the curse granted it ended in a fight because while yes having the curse remain on their descendants is wrong what they did to his daughter and son was evil. Like he stated he was just a good man twisted by centuries of vengeance, and hatred hence why he was surprised why me, the party which consisted of Alister, Adrianna, and the party's main healer whose name I forgot are willing to not kill him right then and there.

[@jh9794]

The fireflies creating the cure was not only unlikely but not even certain amungst themselves. Never mind they were asshole to everyone, not them.

[@CharlesGriswold]

In vanilla Skyrim the only joinable factions that are even arguably good guys are the College of Winterhold and the Empire. With the Dawnguard expansion, the Dawnguard can also be regarded as being good guys. I guess there is also the Bard's College, but they hardly count as a real faction. I wish someone would expand them into the same kind of fully-realized faction as the rest of the joinable factions.

[@Saintphoenix86]

in wasteland you are never led to believe that the patriarch is good though, ever, its clear from the start who he is and he will tell you himself, but chaos requires a strong pragmatic hand to reign in

[@schonnj]

The Fallout universe has no lack of "good guys that were actually evil"; the Enclave, the Institute, arguably purist Brotherhood of Steel, and Vault-Tec itself. While the Minutemen fell into disorder and resorted to banditry after their General died, they never pretended to be good after the fall.

[@dorerd]

I agree with this. The Minutemen who turned to banditry, however, were the ones residing on the Libertalia and turned to raiding only after weeks of not getting paid for the honest work they were doing for Bunker Hill and the traveling merchants and not being able to feed themselves. The Quincy massacre was caused by the betrayal of a single minuteman named Clint. The rest of the Minutemen helping Quincy died in defense of the residents and their sacrifice allowed many to escape. You can find many sacrificed Minutemen between Quincy and Sanctuary who gave their lives to protect the remaining citizens who fled. Definitely a poorly researched video.

[@chadnorris8257]

The old Minutemen suffered from being a loose alliance of settlements with a bunch of different motives, and desires. Something easily taken apart, piece by piece. They rely on charismatic leaders to hold them together, which brings their longevity into question when Nate eventually leaves, or dies.

[@davidfletcher6703]

It was only a portion of the Minutemen who caused the fall of Quincey

[@Preston_Garvy]

I was not made aware, and I’m not affiliated with those corrupt individuals that are a part of this organization task to help the settlements of the commonwealth and would like to say I am tasked with making a better place therefore, I will be marking the settlements that need help on both of our maps

[@cameronhermann9400]

I never considered the Fireflies as “good guys.” In the DLC Ellie and Riley debate the morality of both sides killing each other and blowing up food and resource depots.

[@devinco1]

I live a little over an hour north of Colorado Springs- can confirm the bandits, Patriarch, secrets, etc.

[@BOTHthosearetaken]

I never beat dishonored because a few minutes in my internal evil radar went off and i realized they were baddies The only winning move was not to play So i didn't

[@obnoxiouszubat6014]

Zathrian was the one in the wrong, not the entire clan and definitely not all of the Dalish

[@18videowatcher41]

You have a good point about the Minutemen, but I choose to believe that they can be better. I will be the one to redeem them. Also, the Companions being less than honourable never occurred to me. I'm seeing it now, though.

[@felixfontanez2825]

Can we NOT stop the videos without a proper sign off…. What’s up with that?

[@SiegeTF]

I was always anti-firefly, funny thing is; my best friend, an Emergency room doctor, disagrees with me wholesale. The bit in TLAU2 Where it's conformed that they needed to kill Ellie should have been replaced with them only needing to perform a biopsy, but *wanting* to kill her so nobody else could get the cure!

[@Lilith87]

The Minutemen isn’t evil. The people that were in the Minutemen were evil.

[@xXDuckshotXx]

The Sons of Korhal from StarCraft. Arcturus Mengsk starts out as a benevolent rebel fighting against the corrupt Confederacy, but ends up turning the Zerg loose on an entire planet just to seize power

[@SagePalom]

I disagree with the dalish on this list. First of all it's only that group of dalish (whichvis the only group you encounter if your Warden isn't a dalish). But they all didn't know the werewolfs origins except for Zatzrian himself. So it's not an evil faction but only some good persons lead by an evil guy.

[@Jacob_White]

Funny how to get to best Farcry 4 ending is to literally not play the game

[@Lubble-]

The good thing about Farcry 4 is it's canon that Ajay took over as the leader of Kyrat, meaning he killed the other leader much like many players do when you meet them in the world

[@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe]

Minutemen are worse than Nuka World Raiders. Think about it. Nuka World Raiders only take settlements which YOU the player choose to them. But at the start of the game, you get Sanctuary as your own private settlement. Then Preston come, march in, and take the settlement for the Minutemen even without asking if you like it or not. Then he just give random orders to you to take settlements by force. Worst of all, if you destroy the Institute with the Minutemen, even if you turn on the alarm for evacuation, you basicly do what the Gunners did in Quincy.

[@stitchfan08]

I would say the survivors in dying light 2 since the ones u meet at the start tries to kill Aiden so many times and the pk treat you with respect and keep there word

[@wolfsokaya]

If one checks the lore of the Alliance, one can find many horrible deeds.

[@cvvtrevor2577]

ill never betray preston

[@i_duditz2076]

Hate the newer cut off endings. Love the videos💕💕

[@inkscratch]

I'm always so jarred by the abrupt ending to the videos 😂

[@TheMarcHicks]

Thankfully, if you get Barcus to lead the Ironhand Gnomes going forward, there is a good chance they'll actually end up being good guys.

[@Kelly-ws2zn]

Truth is evil lurks in the shadows and don't reveal themselves until they are in a position that they take advantage of, it's the main reason I suffer from trust issues

[@AgentZer085]

To say the Followers of the Apocalypse are evil because of Caesar is possibly the most idiotic New Vegas take I’ve ever fucking heard. Please do not let whoever wrote this list make another video for you.

[@briwanderz]

The minutemen are far from evil... There was a few bad people in the group out of what hundred or more years of doing good? If you consider them starting with the actual minutemen around 1776, that'd be 500 years of defending people, or even just when they were active, it's still over 100 years, and you want to say the whole group is evil because a few bad people??

[@alexnicklay8626]

You should actually review your work before you post it, this video is incredibly deceiving and just plain wrong on some of yiur factions listed, you definitely need to do better research

[@taitherapper4949]

Damn 📠

[@JasonAndrews1995]

Care to elaborate?

[@alexnicklay8626]

@JasonAndrews1995 most the factions on their list aren't even remotely evil and the part about the minutemen isn't even factually correct.

[@justinisp9361]

Going back to Dragon Age: Origins, if you did a reverse of this with evil factions that are secretly not all bad, Bhelen's faction with the dwarves is actually the better faction. Yeah, he's an evil despot tyrant, but he actually forces the dwarves of Orzammar to be more progressive, destroying the caste system in the process as he allows the Casteless into the military (And turns various undesirables into mindless golems when he's not assassinating them) and pretty much allying with his neighbors above ground. Harrowmant, meanwhile, dies on the throne some time after the game, failing to do anything because he's too old and weak to force the other nobles to do anything.

[@shinijoker42]

Preston and the Minutemen aren't evil. Lol. You're either crazy or just doing this for views or have never played Fallout 4 before. I really hope you do one day and enjoy the game. My other theory is you're a Gen 1 Synth.

[@MrSDegnan]

The Iron Hand Gnomes aren't necessarily evil, it's Wulbren that's the evil one.

[@fluffybunpup7603]

I definitely needed this video

[@rileyoaks8346]

When you actually live in Colorado Springs

[@ryanrowe1975]

Good list

[@RicoRaynn]

I disagree about the Minutemen, at least when it comes to the timeframe the player interacts with them. My biggest one was from Dragon Age 2. You spend the whole narrative learning that the mages are basically treated like expendable slaves by the city and the Templars. Yet, if you support the mages in the end, their damn leader gets desperate enough to use blood magic and turn himself into a raging demon which is exactly what the Templars were constantly warning everyone could happen. Yeah, you could argue the whole ‘self filling prophecy’ line, but still. That jack ass move by the NPC really stabs the player in the back and makes you look like an idiot.

[@user-lm3nr1yc2t]

Most video games leave clues to let you know a person or group is evil

[@emo565]

There’s a few entries on this list I disagree the daleish and the companions. There leader was the only one who even knew of the curses origins. No one else in the camp knew. As for the companions there a mercenary group. If your joining a mercenary group you should know what to expect, ie there killers and hired muscle.

[@ianbredeweg9979]

Followers of the apocalypse are not evil at all🙄 they just are way to trusting and incompetent. And the Alliance isn’t necessarily the goodest guys in WoW, but for the most part they are and their leaders that do have murderous intent to the horde have VERY good reason (sacking of Stormwind in the first war as well as the entirety of the second war, bombing of Theramore, burning of Teldrassil, all cataclysmic events brought on by, that’s right, the horde.)

[@MaxWeb2599]

That's why it's the best option to leave pagan min alive. At least for so long till he gives you the land.

[@chibiprussia5574]

Peacekeepers in Dying Light 2 - Few in the PKs will not screw you over

[@mathewdewsbury9456]

What about Atlas Corporation from Call of Duty Advanced Warfare? Or Mantel from Haze?

[@mrflawless1165]

FOR THE HORDE!!!

[@Demsky83]

Far Cry 4 also affectionately known as my last Far Cry.

[@splitsecondmagician]

CVTs have durability issues in my opinion. Especially in mountainous or hilly areas.

[@popcorneilous]

I ended up marrying aya in skyrim. Then i played the expansion and my vampire companion killed her and her body wouldnt disappear like other bodies so everytime i came home our adopted children would scream everytime about the dead body.

[@powerpete4266]

New Yevon in Final Fantasy X-2 is another one, joining them just ruins the entire game for you, much better with the Youth Group tbh

[@khrisbreezy3628]

Reminds me of the church in Grandia 2 (spoilers btw) where the literal pope becomes a vessel for the villain near the end lol

[@derrickhaggard]

The Alliance definitely has those extremists elements in it.

[@aJohnnyBenton]

No Atlas from Bioshock?!

[@williams100292]

To call the Alliance "secretly evil" is at best a gross overstatement and at worst blatant lies. The Alliance has only ever sought peaceful relations with the other factions of Azeroth, including the Horde. Time and again, it is the Alliance who is attacked or provoked, and any darker actions taken are outliers compared to the overtly aggressive and evil actions of the Horde.

[@Sam-Fisher]

Nice

[@theSelfishMan]

The United races of thestra in the vanguard MMO. Practically every quest for them was either covering up for a failed experiment or killing political opponents or some crazy thing like that

[@CodyWhiteMusic]

World of Warcraft has the best looking graphics in their cutscenes, but the actual game looks like a PS2 potato 😂

[@howlphantomwolf]

Most of these seem less "evil" and more "poorly executed".

[@themancalledben2731]

If that's a spoiler in the thumbnail can you please not do that out of consideration for those of us that have a huge backlog because of having to work? Thank you❤️

[@loka7783]

I, for one, always knew the Alliance in World of Warcraft was evil. If you start a character as human (y'know the biggest race among the Alliance) One of your first missions is: racial bullying. Specifically you are tasked with stealing candles from the non-hostile kobolds. The kobolds see these candles as minor religious artifacts. Plus, if you add in a short story from the Tales from the world of Azaroth, kobolds have racial fear of the dark.

[@Sam-Fisher]

Hi boys

[@giorgishioshvili7457]

hey, Captions? Please? :)

[@LoganH0076]

I’ve mentioned this before, but I’d love to see chapters in these videos that just show the game’s name. That way if there’s a video with high spoiler potential, I can still watch the video and just skip the games I don’t want spoiled. Great video though ☺️

[@southernpanda33]

The dalish weren’t “evil” they were mad. 😂😂😂😂

[@lazrustosadow5880]

Ne vAH da not ne vo da

[@ItsBofu]

A bit of a miss from the WC team. "Groups with a dark side" is a better title for these entries.

[@deontrayperkins8843]

Enough with the Preston hate i been posted the fix for him for 5 years now all have to do is move him to the castle assign him to a artillery piece at the castle fast travel anywhere come back to the castle and he is fix like a normal companion