10 MORE Changes That Star Trek Hoped You Wouldn't Notice

[@AndrewD8Red]

Inconsistency in STAR TREK?! Outrageous!!! I'll be taking this up with James R. Kirk PERSONALLY!

[@guardian33]

He's dead, Andrew.

[@ivancarriel7210]

Lmfao iam weak 😂😂😂

[@Revan2908]

🤣 Well played.

[@blanketfortressofsolitude5270]

I like the explanation where the temporal cold war has done so much havoc with the timeline that what we're seeing as inconsistencies are actually changes in the timeline from the conflict.

[@Ryoku1]

The Temporal Wars is a great answer to inconsistencies.

[@Playhouse76]

They basically say as much in the SNW episode about Khan.

[@GabePuratekuta]

So is "Q did it".

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

And prior to the full-scale conflict, there was the Temporal Cold War.

[@patrickelliott2169]

​@Playhouse76 Actually, this makes for the more interesting reason - the implication in it being that, in some version of the future, a Romulan agent went back in time and over an extended period, subtly nudged events in a direction that failed to prevent Star Fleet, or many other things, but did fundamentally delay development of specific technologies, which presumably would have led to the key technologies needed to develop advanced AI and androids far sooner. Given that these developments still happened, the agent, or a different one, was still sent, and presumably the changes needed to be subtle because large scale changes got noticed and corrected by various temporal agents.

[@MrChupacabra555]

I still have a Theory that explains ALL the changes in Trek Post 'Enterprise': When we finally saw Wesley in "Picard", as Traveller and member of their 'Temporal Police Force" (can't recall its name just now), he said that he once made a joke that 'Messed up 300 years of history". Isn't that about the same span of time between the end of Enterprise and the 'Era' that the first two seasons of "Discovery" were set in? In Other Words: Shut Up Wesley!!! 😂 An aside: Star Trek Online had this interesting 'story line' where Mirror Universe Wesley became Emperor (thanks to his 'Traveller' abilities, and help from his evil mom😏). He then went out searching for 'Evil V'Ger' to build his power even more. I would LOVE to see this be made canon, perhaps as an entire season of "Legacy", if that show is ever made.

[@MrStephenLast]

At a Convention shortly after the release of Star Trek 6, we were told that the pink blood was to avoid an R rating. Also, the Red blood from the Klingon assassin was meant as a give away that he wasn't Klingon. That part was never revealed in the Theatrical release.

[@Playhouse76]

One of the stronger additions of the Director's Cut of ST6. Revealing it to be Odo, er, René Auberjonois' Colonel (?) West was more fitting.

[@jimslancio]

The pink blood was Pepto Bismol product placement.

[@daverapp]

As a colorblind person, I never noticed the color and also didn't notice it when it was specifically pointed out in this video. XD

[@larsharris]

It was lighting.

[@jonathanencarnacion8184]

I just think they're all from the times Q snapped his fingers... He puts things back at 99.997% of the original & thinks 'Meh, good enough.'

[@CGren123]

in Ben 10, the art style and voice actors are explained away as a race of all powerful beings more or less doing this. so that's my head canon as well.

[@elaniarkady7351]

Ok that's kind of brilliant 😂

[@DarthCalculus]

Apparently Q follows ISO 12312-2

[@bjorn00000]

Or changes from the Temporal Wars?

[@nmgg6928]

Genius bit of head canon

[@williammobley9634]

They also address the Eugenics Wars and WW3 in Strange New Worlds when the Tal Shiar Temporal Agent explains they arrived to influence the events that were supposed to happen in the 1990s, but no matter what she did it still occurred...just later and later in time "as if the Universe Corrects itself." To me, this means that the Travelers and their Watchers are constantly working to correct and manage temporal events to keep the "Prime Universe" as on track as possible...but that doesn't mean that some temporal adjustments don't happen. My only problem with this is that it assumes that BOTH Quantum multiversal time and linear time exist. Because even slight changes to the Prime Timeline automatically create alternative timelines (see JJ Trek) going back and "correcting things" really just drops YOU into a timeline more along the lines you recognize (see DS9 Trials and Trible-ations). But really even the uncorrected timeline still exists. YOU are all that you moved by making a change "back" to how things were, and just by being there things are quite how things were (see DS9 Past Tense)...unless there's a bootstrap paradox exclusive to that timeline within the multiversal timeline. And, of course, all of this is shaken up and put in a blender by pretty much the entire premise of Star Trek: Enterprise (or better named Time Trek: Enterprise) and the referenced outcomes of that war and things like JJ Verse and the Mirror Verse mentioned in Star Trek Discovery Season 3 by Dr. Kovich in 3190.

[@RandallJamesPeterson]

Time travel is a matter of 'Perspective'.

[@QBCPerdition]

Star Trek's depiction of the effects of time travel and altering the past are inconsistent. Sometimes, you go back and make a change and the whole universe changes...except for you, which is convenient for letting you fix it. Sometimes, you make a change and you are moved into an alternate universe, so you can't fix it, but may be able to travel between the new universe and the old one. Sometimes, you do something in the past, and rather than it being a change, it is just how the past always was, sort of a bootstrap Paradox on a slightly smaller scale. I chalk it up to us mere humans not truly understanding temporal mechanics and there is an explanation for it.

[@stefanschreiber774]

Whenever I notice inconsistencies in Stark Trek, I get insanely angry and then I realize what an awful nerd I am

[@haplozetetic9519]

Nerd? Yes. Awful? No.

[@ocularpatdown]

Heh. Stark Trek.

[@stefanschreiber774]

@@ocularpatdown Oh boy, a typo. I have brought great shame to myself and my family.

[@Paul__FC]

Well all have that voice in our heads.

[@haplozetetic9519]

@@stefanschreiber774 Pobody's nerfect.

[@AllenJones-w3p]

McCoy wasn't an enlisted man; he was a commissioned officer with the rank of lieutenant commander!

[@mistybethune9116]

Lol u think she knows that even in today's military a Dr is automatically an officer

[@STho205]

I think she just misspoke, not having any military experience (or possibly interest). She likely meant he was a reservist volunteer instead of a career officer. Most likely she is conflating this with Folx and with the new girl favorite SNW Nurse Chapel the will she won't she civilian in a white body suit.

[@willmfrank]

"I'm a DOCTOR! Not an ENLISTED MAN!" 😉😁

[@LexiBomb]

​@mistybethune9116 Typically, you have to be a college or war college graduate to be an officer.

[@STho205]

@@LexiBomb 1st things 1st. You typically need to be a university graduate and post grad to be A Doctor.

[@sidoitsu8179]

About the moon. Vulcan has a Sister Planet T'kuht. It was first mentioned in a fanzine, later in the novel 'The Vulcan Academy Murders'. It is an interesting little novel with a lot about Vucan's history.

[@andrewdreasler428]

9:58 If memory serves, a Technical Manual described the holodeck on Enterprise-D as using forcefields to make , in essence an omnidirectional 'treadmill' under the feet of the guests, so that no matter where they went, they stayed near the center of the room, with the surroundings moving to simulate travel (well, center-ish, it would allow groups to separate, and then isolate each one in a personal 'sub-holodeck' to simulate them being farther apart.

[@kevinslater4126]

My personal head canon is that Vulcan is a double planetary system where Vulcan’s barycenter lies outside the other planetary body. That’s exactly how Pluto and Charon orbit each other. Therefore Spock is being pedantic in his statement to Uhura which is so very very Vulcan

[@ernestcline2868]

It's explained that way in at least one of the novels, so that explanation has been given in beta canon.

[@mightyzekken]

@@ernestcline2868 I was just thinking that one of the novels tried to clear that up. McCoy saw nearly half the sky filled and said "I thought you said Vulcan didn't have a moon?" and Spock told him it doesn't, that's our sister planet whose orbit comes close to Vulcan periodically, or something like that. Don't remember which novel though.

[@acmenipponair]

Well, in the case of Vulcan, if the other planet is as big as depicted, it's even easier: Vulcan is the moon of that planet and therefore cannot have a moon on his own. A moon by true scientific definition (not the stuff the IAO came up with) is a astronomical body orbiting another astronomical body that is not a star and the gravitational center of the orbit is inside the other planet. That's why earths moon is a moon, Pluto and Charon should as you correctly say considered a double planet sytem.

[@ernestcline2868]

@@mightyzekken I'm not certain, but based on what's on Memory Beta, I'm thinking it likely was the novel _Sarek_ .

[@ThorstenWieking]

And considering that the Romulans too colonized a double planetary system, that theory isn’t that far from feasible.

[@SJReid82]

McCoy was definitely not 'enlisted personnel'; he held a Starfleet commissioned rank of Lieutenant Commander in the OS, and Commander in the movies, and Admiral by the time of TNG. O'Brien is an example of an enlisted crewman because he held the billet/rank of Chief Petty Officer.

[@FirstDan2000]

Bridge to Commander Doctor, Tactical and medical emergency.

[@highexotica]

The Khan stuff completely omits the stuff from ST SNW. They explained the temporal anomalies with the augments and the changes to the timeline

[@KAMiKAZOW]

You cannot expect a Trek channel to know about Trek shows.

[@professorkatze1123]

the important question is where did cockrane get the antimatter für the warpdrive in the first place when it was difficult to gather enough titanium for the cockpit?

[@Bob6800a]

I always thought the Phoenix was fusion powered, as they didn't have M\AM tech yet. Remember, the Phoenix was very small and didn't have the massive power requirements that later starships had. All it had to do was break Warp 1.

[@edwardrhoades6957]

no antimatter or dilithium. it was fusion powered

[@acmenipponair]

You don't need antimatter for a Warp 1 drive. Only for faster than Warp 1 the energy of a fusion reactor isn't feasable enough anymore. In fact, even the small fusion reactors of the Voyagers impulse drive could bring the Voyager up till Warp 0.92, but to not have too much time diletation problems impulse drives were capped at 0.25c maximum speed. In the end you only need a powerful enough reactor, that produces enough photon energy to form a warp bubble. And the physic professors always tell us, that if we would be able to get fusion working, a spoon of water could power Paris for a year.

[@aqdrobert]

Captain Braxton: I blame Janeway for altering Fixed Points in time. Drove me to change my identity, move to 21st century Boston, then solve crimes with Rizzoli and Aisles.

[@Bob6800a]

What about his earlier college days with Delta Tau?

[@edwardhuggins84]

Or when he jumps dimensions to be a part of Earthforce and was a part of the defence of Babylon 5

[@generalilbis]

Braxton's frustration with Janeway's shenanigans was bad enough that he gave up all effort to be a responsible person and take up the identity of freewheeling pilot Jack Dalton, who frequently dragged his new best friend Angus MacGyver into his get-rich schemes...but when he grew tired of that, he went back his old ways and became a police officer in Boston MA 😅

[@ThorstenWieking]

@@generalilbis that happened in the days before Angus MacGyver had to take up a new identity thanks to the witness protection program and join the US Airforce Stargate program.

[@elaniarkady7351]

Snw explained kahn really well. With the diverging timeline reset when the romulan agent said they had to wait 30? more years.

[@maesdejardin8648]

6: In regards to Discovery using Force Fields in the Shuttle Bays, I'd posit that being an experimental ship, complete with it's untested Spore Drive, it was fitted with other experimental tech like shuttle bay force fields.

[@BravoOneCharlie]

Pretty sure the Enterprise has force fields in SNW though. You can see it at 5:43.

[@KAMiKAZOW]

Just treat Discovery as noncanonical fan fiction.

[@Thena_the_Grey]

​@@BravoOneCharliethe Enterprise is the flagship though, so that makes sense in SNW as well. Can't hold current series to ToS tech/production limitations, so I don't see how it's listed as an error. If that's the case, may as well include the fact the Klingons looked drastically different even than the Kelvin version.

[@brandijoy1]

@@KAMiKAZOWSo if Discovery is non canon then SNW is also no canon as well and if SNW is non canon then Lower Decks is no canon because of the crossover. Now that’s a lot of non canon Star Trek shows. While I like the original ST. I’m not going to fault prequel Star Trek shows like ENT, DISCO and SNW for showing some updated Trek technology.

[@AshuraH]

@@KAMiKAZOW How about we treat you as noncanonical fan fiction, hm?

[@krimzonknight]

i like the hand-wavy explanation they gave in SNW for the various changes in regards to the Eugenics Wars and WW3 etc. Which was basically that "it was such an important era in Federation/Starfleet history, that so many of Starfleet/the Federation's enemies have gone back to try to stop Starfleet's beginning only to be countered/fixed by other time travelers, that it has resulted in the timeline of the events being nudged further down the timeline. lol

[@GeekFilter]

A little insight into the TAS Vulcan moon issue. We have an illustration the Vulcan landscape and a 'Vulcan flyer' (basically a land speeder before land speeders existed) with a note from Dorothy Fontana that says "No Moon" on it. What we have surmised with the input of Bob Kline lead artist, is that none of the drawings Indicate day or night so the drawing actually showed the *sun*. Then after it was drawn as a moon It was stuck into the night sky as well. So, it would appear the intention was not to have a moon, but miscommunication through different departments put it into Vulcan's sky anyway! They were working at a breakneck speed, so there was no time to go back and change it.

[@timgersh6787]

I love when Elie reads a list, her accent makes me happy and I think from here on out she needs to be the voice for the computer

[@TTony-tu6dm]

Part of the fun of Trek is coming up with rationalizations for these little inconsistencies. For me, anyway

[@mybrainisshortcake]

creativity! it seems lost and demonized by media consumers, now.

[@gryffydd42]

Strange new worlds came up with partial explanation for change on Khan. La’an Nooniam Sing travelled back in time with Kirk , and they encountered an assassin that stated the Time wars had shifted reality to point of Khans birth being bumped by 30 years, and how it frustrated her having extra wait time.

[@jcohasset23]

While it makes sense the newer shows need to stop changing the timelines to better reflect our current time. Star Trek's timeline was never suppose to be a predictor of our future but a reflection as to what our future can be if we overcome the problems humans have struggled to deal with for centuries, if not millennium (the show Star Trek didn't exist in Star Trek's timeline). Otherwise when April 2063 passes without any kind of first contact happening like in the movie they're going to have to keep changing Star Trek's story and timeline.

[@STho205]

So TOS never existed. It is an alternate timeline like Biff Land in BTTF2. How convenient for the current showrunners that don't like Roddenberry's stuff.

[@jcohasset23]

@@STho205 Part of the problem is Discovery started while the rights to Star Trek were still split so that's why it looks and feels more like the Kelvin timeline movies even though all of the new shows are suppose to take place in the Prime timeline. There are some good episodes in the newer shows but overall they ignore a lot of the canon of the older shows.

[@STho205]

@@jcohasset23 I just saw it as weak stories and teen soap plots mostly. S2 tried to at least do 35% of the episode on the adventure, but it quickly went back to Buffy style ensemble soap, as SNW does every other ep. There's typically a long LOST McGuffin that turns out to be easily or pointlessly resolved. I'm fine with Kurtzman copying other stuff, even fan movies...but when it is too packed with that it becomes sketch parody to those who know the stories. Could be worse....could revolve around a spooky 24th cen chateau, repressed memories and Pat Benatar numbers.

[@jcohasset23]

@@STho205 I think some of the problem is the serialized nature of the shows means it's a lot harder for them to do one-off episodes focusing on one particular story and with seasons only having half or fewer the episodes of the older series a lot of characters tend to be underdeveloped. I'm also pretty sure a long lost McGuffin is the antithesis of what Roddenberry envisioned for the series- they can be used but it requires care so that it's not a lazy out in a deus ex machina kind of way.

[@emsleywyatt3400]

I always thought that UESPA was a strictly Earth authority and that, at some point in TOS, the Enterprise was transferred to Federation auspices, in much the same manner that a United States military unit might be placed under United Nations authority.

[@pookhahare]

Or when Earth joined Federation Usepa was folded into Starfleet but the designation still exists in some form like was suggested. Of course real reason a huge amount of thought wasn't put into things like for of command Enterprise reported to until Gene Coon came along and created The Federation for Errand of Mercy.

[@pookhahare]

As for Cochrane not just radiation exposure didn't alot of diseases run rampant. They easily could aged people .

[@davidfrederick1971]

I have ALWAYS been bugged-bothered by "Federation" Starship Enterprise. They work for "STARFLEET!" The Federation is the organization and or unity of collection of planets.

[@STho205]

​@@davidfrederick1971 it isn't UFS Enterprise. Can't make it fit like they did with USS when they invented Starfleet after the first 10 episodes filmed. United Space Ship became United Star Ship which became United Starfleet Ship. Originally UESPA and Starfleet were human only. Spock is an anomaly on the ship, like the British RAF officer in Dr Strangelove. By the last half of TOS Starfleet became integrated like a NATO force, with ships from other members such as the all Vulcan Starship into an allied command like Eisenhower's running units and ships from the US, Canada, UK, Free France,... the way Wellington ran the final Coalition in 1815.

[@ki5aok]

@@pookhahare And he was an alcoholic. That would definitely age people.

[@scytube]

0:00 Intro 0:48 10: Starfleet Was the UESPA 2:19 9: The Hardest Substance Known to Man 3:03 8: The Bounty's Changing Bridge 3:52 7: The Tribble Origin Story 4:53 6: Shuttlebay Force Fields 5:46 5: Zefram Cochrane's Age 7:55 4: The Colour of Klingon Blood 8:47 3: Kirk Had a Holodeck 10:00 2: The Eugenics Wars and World War III 11:53 1: 'Vulcan Has No Moon' 12:42 Outro

[@romulusnr]

As a long term trekkie I try not to think of how Discovery breaks literally everything. I just try not to think of Discovery at all.

[@llanorick]

I have a simple explanation for the apparent moons in the Vulcan sky. Vulcan has no moon, Vulcan IS a moon.

[@daniel49324]

Inconsistency in Discovery? Can`t be! We all know how much the show respects the canon.

[@Sephirothwolf]

To be fair the No moon just Planetoids thing is pretty on-brand for Vulcans

[@acmenipponair]

Vulcan is the SMALLER object in most of the images. That means that Vulcan has no moon. Vulcan IS the moon! Just like the second death star wasn't orbiting Endor - but the Moon of Endor!

[@Trekmaster47]

The pink blood of Klingons is not inexplicable. There was so much of it in Undiscovered Country back when it was colored red, that the picture would have needed to be rated R.

[@Valandar2]

Considering Neutronium is an actual theoretical material (solid neutrons, to be exact, no elemental matter present), it wins for "toughest", "hardest", "Densest", and "Why hasn't this collapsed into a Black Hole".

[@australiangamer7956]

12:19 that’s no moon that a space station😊

[@mahatmarandy5977]

The (2nd) Bounty Bridge took its cues from the Klingon bridge in TMP, really. (Which is probably my favorite bridge design ever for any starfleet ship. It’s even got an upper level, though you can just barely see it)

[@STSWB5SG1FAN]

If the story itself is good, it can pull you in to the point where you don't really care about the inconsistencies. On the other hand, it wouldn't really hurt Trek writers to go back and look over what has come before, to at least keep some things consistent.

[@user-roninwolf1981]

Another reason for the whole "Vulcan has no moon" is because Vulcan itself IS a moon orbiting another larger planet. Some Beta lore has it that Vulcan orbits a larger super-earth named T'Kut (Charis), and that Vulcan was one of 2 planets orbiting T'Kut.

[@MrGibsonian]

I was just thinking we have not had an Ellie video in a while and then we are given a nice gift of an Ellie video.

[@john_carter_of_earth]

One inconsistency that has always bothered me was that the first portrayal of the Vorta on DS9 showed they could emit some kind of energy burst from their upper chest. Yes, that particular Vorta ended up being revealed as a false victim meant to fool the DS9 crew, but that doesn't explain away the "chest-burst weapon." Also, with regard to the comment about Zefram Cochran, NO, we most certainly do NOT "still adore James Cromwell's portrayal of the character." Cromwell, as capable of an actor in other roles as he may be (have been) is the most cringe-worthy portrayal of a character in all of Star Trek. I still shudder at the memory of his Zefram Cochran. A huge disservice to the character as originally shown on TOS, both in appearance as well as mannerisms.

[@therizinosaurus214]

McCoy was Lt. Commander in ST:TOS making him and officer.

[@mck316]

“Enlisted personnel like McCoy”? McCoy was a Lt. Commander.

[@Playhouse76]

Note: Though modern Trek has borrowed a few things from it, Roddenberry was very clear that The Animated Series is not considered canon, despite the involvement of so many from TOS. Any of the events that occur in it or things that exist in it don't really apply to the rest of Trek. The Holodeck idea was something that was conceived for TOS, but they didn't have the ability to be able to show it on-screen. This was eventually recycled for TNG, but not before floating the concept on TAS.

[@acmenipponair]

On the other hand: Who says that the Holodeck of the Enterprise without letter was as good as the one on the D? I mean - we only ever saw an animated version.

[@rickjohnston2667]

It was probably experimental technology at the time, like the "force field belts" used as spacesuits in the animated series.

[@keit99]

The thing is TAS was canonized with the release in DVD (according to memory alpha)

[@kheldarath]

I actually really like the explanation for the dodgy dates of khan that was put forward in SNW series 2 tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow. That agents from various races had tried to change earths history many times, but each time, all they were able to do is push back the inevitable, hence Khan being a child in 2022 from that episode. he should have been about 40 by that point. Its like a mix of Terminiator's judgement day delays and the idea that there are fixed points in time that can never be fully removed, from Doctor Who and such.

[@themiddleground5263]

I seem to remember that Tom Hanks was the original choice for ZC, who was 40 when First Contact came out.

[@jchavez789]

I've ignored so many inconsistencies, that I now ignore random changes they introduce as well. For example, Vulcan will always be Vulcan.....despite whatever the disco producers want to call it these days.

[@poil8351]

The Dimond can easily be explained as bashir playing the characters in the holodeck story.

[@CerberusTenshi]

As for Vulcan... Maybe Obi-Wan is right. "That is not a moon." XD

[@michaeltortorice9876]

Appropriate that a moon would feature at #1 on this day in particular (I am typing this on the 8th of April, 2024, the day of the big eclipse that I am missing due to clouds and storms locally).

[@GabePuratekuta]

Which is weird because we all know moons don't exist.

[@lauranolastnamegiven3385]

I didn't know "liberty" & "ignore" were now synonyms for character assassination. 😡

[@tonyyoung3985]

I had a fan theory in which Zephrame Cochrane was a fan of Sam Fuller's Crimson Kimono. As his body aged and damaged in space, he asked the companion to make him look like the handsome actor from Crimson Kimono, but all records of James Shigeta got lost, so the Companion made him into Glenn Corbett.

[@tonyyoung3985]

And dang. that Holodeck in Kirk's enterprise is 2D and four colors. Not too realistic. Feh.

[@bbartky]

Great episode, Ellie! As a Trek fan since the beginning I love the canon discussions but with the caveat that if you take them too seriously you’ll drive yourself nuts. I like how you showed that scene from “Where No Man Has Gone Before”, aka the second pilot, where you see James _R_Kirk on the tombstone. 😂 The contradictions have been there since Day One.

[@senoreljoynes6442]

The Vulcan moon thing could just be Spok pulling Uhura's leg.

[@bastionsea2829]

So we're ok with the Klingon head crests changing, but not their blood? 'Holodeck' technology was shown in an episode of Enterprise, controlled by the alien of the week

[@destinycaptain247]

2:20 - The best and most elegant explanation of the change of UESPA to UFP is that UESPA is a remnant legacy organization from the period before the Federation and after Earth started folding its various National Space Agencies into one service. UESPA would have operated as an interim service until the United Federation’s Star Fleet was formed. While UESPA does not formally exist in the 23rd Century as a controlling entity over Starfleet, it may retain some kind of authority to any ships ASSIGNED to the “Earth Fleet”. Similar organizations would likely still exist for each founding member planets of the Federation until around the time of TMP when Starfleet adopts the “Delta” insignia over the “Starburst” previously seen on high ranking officers and the alternate ship/ fleet insignias seen on other Commanders/ Crewman seen in the time of TOS. It’s also likely that by the time of TMP, all the legacy organizations have been retired/ dissolved. Of course Brannon Braga effs this all up with the setup of ENT because he doesn’t know Trek or care. That’s where he carelessly and thoughtlessly jams Earth Starfleet into continuity. At least the people on the art and production team knew about it. But Braga is the guy that couldn’t remember what a tricorder was in an interview about a year after he left ENT. He should have been able to recite it in his sleep after working on Trek for 15 years. Braga is also the reason we got Klingon “Warbirds” in Broken Bow and JJ Trek pulled this forward into ST09 and their insipid Kobayashi Maru sequence.

[@henrykujawa4427]

One of the funniest exchanges in early STAR TREK: "Vulcan HAS no Moon. " I"m NOT SURPRISED, Mr. Spock!" She was FLIRTING with him. And he just said that to brush her off. I find it insanely ironic that, one of Nichelle Nichol's VERY BEST scenes in all 3 seasons of the show, because NBC ran the episodes out of sequence, appeared in the VERY FIRST episode that was broadcast. It was downhill all the way after that. (And in the 70s, I can attest, that scene was CUT in syndication.)

[@otakubancho6655]

My thoughts on the later Holo Decks,are they are constantly updating as the crew walks through the,much like randomly generated levels in video games,but fully interactive.

[@monkofbob]

5:43 Shuttle bay doors are easily explained. For ships that would not ever be too far from Federation space, they could afford to install new, experimental designs. For those ships that would go on five year missions and potentially be beyond the range of rescue, they needed to have time tested and proven design. Depressurization and repressurizing is far less inconvenient than the force field failing and not being able to access the shuttle bay.

[@twocvbloke]

The holodeck being a finite space thing is pretty much a thing right now with VR, people standing in what to me looks like a repurposed satellite dish that's polished smooth and the person in it walks about in slippery socks while restrianed by a harness, so they feel like they're walking, the holodeck has a "treadmill" effect akin to this so that they can walk about a simulation without moving all that far and without hitting the walls, but how it all works, well, that's science fantasy... :P

[@mrquirky3626]

I feel like for plot holes in Star Wars you can just explain most away with "because the Force", while for Star Trek plot holes you can just assume they were created by some Starfleet captain going back in time again and changing the present without any one else realizing it.

[@noneofurbusiness5223]

@ ~ 11:00 Spock mistaken - NO!

[@ashes2ashesuk]

When talking about the eugenics war, you missed out the fact that the timeline had been delayed by interference by time travellers, as La’an met a young Khan in 2024 Toronto (“Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow“)

[@JDEhlert]

Uh, they pretty much explained that Khan and the Eugenics war was bumped forward in Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow in the 2nd Season of Strange New Worlds. It also leaves open future changes.

[@BEW419]

In TMP the Refit Enterprise with its linked shuttlebay & cargo hold; had the hangar doors open and crew without EV suits moving cargo.

[@williamkopko5775]

Excellent video please post more of this type of videos

[@craigbrowning9448]

The Holodeck was supposed to appear in the original series episode " Is There in Truth No Beauty?" Kirk was supposed to use it to distract Dr. Jones while Spock was attempting to mind meld with Kollos against her wishes.

[@jshplock]

When it comes to continuity inconsistencies with Trek I always remind myself that time travel does in fact exist in this universe

[@Robert_St-Preux]

The easiest explanation for "Vulcan has no moon" was that Spock was saying whatever he could, bullsh!t included, to shut down Uhura's flirting with him. And it worked.

[@donshotwell8238]

As for the shuttle bay and force fields, even though Discovery is set BEFORE Kirk’s adventures on the “original” Enterprise (“original,” as in, “no bloody ‘A’, ‘B’, ‘C’, ‘D’, or ‘E’), she was an older vessel before she became Kirk’s to command. In fact, Pike had already taken Enterprise on a five-year mission, as we find out in The Menagerie (TOS 1.11, 1.12) and the ship already had some miles on her before even then. Therefore, it is entirely possible that Enterprise is OLDER than Discovery, meaning Discovery having shuttle bay force fields while Enterprise does not is entirely plausible.

[@jcohasset23]

The original Enterprise was in service for 40 years before it was destroyed and only 20 years was under the command of Kirk so unless the timeline was changed in Discovery the Enterprise (launched 2245) is about 11 years older than Discovery (launched 2256). We don't know exactly when force fields began to be used for shuttle bays and things such as hull breaches though from Star Trek: Generations it seems to be fairly common by the end of the 23rd century with the Enterprise-B so it's certainly possible some ships used them around the time of the original show.

[@delancygloyd3726]

Vulcan is a binary planet, tidally locked with it's partner. The partner is called the watcher and is non-habitable and has a moon that is called the eye of the watcher. It is mentioned in "Mind Meld." I know books are not canon but it explains things.

[@RisingTidesAC]

The hardest substance in the universe is Captain Kirk. That dude was a galactic playa!

[@Svensk7119]

Star Fleet is STILL the UESPA! "To go boldly where no man has gone before." That was the charter.. . In mind.

[@revrndskip]

UESPA was an exploration only agency and would charter ships from Starfleet to handle their own exploration projects.

[@DeltaGammaKilo]

Minor point: All ships in Starfleet have and always had hanger doors for their shuttle bays. You can see this in ST:TNG and other series. The forcefields were there so that shuttlecraft could be launched and landed without decompressing the bay. The bay doors would be closed after embarking/debarking shuttles were complete.

[@BEW419]

No one said they didn't all have doors, they didn't all have forcefields

[@arrow1414]

McCoy was not "enlisted personell".

[@guardian33]

He probably had commander rank. He was just interested in medicine more. And yelling at Kirk. And insulting Spock. But if I keep thinking about it, I'll start posting comments to myself.

[@Playhouse76]

Correct. He was a commissioned officer.

[@colinmelton3815]

You keep referring to the animated series like it's cannon it isn't. A show that most fans don't even know existed can not be considered cannon or a source of knowledge

[@martinwestern3334]

I decided that in canon every change was caused by Q having a laugh changing stuff and just not being too bothered about putting things back perfectly. Q would say "that's close enough" and leave it at that and hope Picard just doesn't notice.

[@vic5015]

Voyager also (indirectly) mentioned the Eugenics Wars by having an episide aet in the 1990s in another time travel episode.

[@davidfinch7407]

When you wrote out that Star Fleet was the "UESPA", the "U" looked like a "V" to me. I was wondering how Star Fleet was somehow a Vespa...

[@NanNaN-jw6hl]

@12:42 - or (also. possibly cool), by the time of that Discovery episode, it had been a constructed object after studying that Dyson sphere from TNG; or there was a planetary object that was captured in the intervening centuries due or was just a really, really long-period object [Neptune / Uranus trading spots over the course of a few centuries], or Vulcan tractor beams got *WAY* better (they did seem pretty smug about that compared to the NX-01’s grappler)!

[@_andrewvia]

Ellie! You are a popular narrator. 13K views in just a few hours! Thanks for your skill. I do enjoy listening to your videos.

[@keiththorpe9571]

Interesting little tidbit about Vulcan having no moon. In the non-canon novel "Spock's World", a rather comprehensive history of Vulcan is laid out, from the planet and its people's ancient prehistory to the rise of Surak, the adoption of C'thia (the ruling ethic of logic), and so on. Now, Spock's mention of "Vulcan having no moon" is dealt with in the novel as him just being pedantic, because Vulcan and its smaller celestial body T'Khut are, technically speaking, a binary planet system. Vulcan and T'Khut orbit around one another rather than T'Khut (like Earth's moon) orbiting around Vulcan. As a result, whenever a Vulcan says "Vulcan has no moon", some joker will often respond with "You're damn right it doesn't, Vulcan has a nightmare!", given that newcomers to Vulcan are often horrified by this massive, blood-red bulk rising up over the horizon at night.

[@robertmiller5735]

@0:41 the grave stone reads James R Kirk , "R" is not the first letter in Tiberius

[@monkofbob]

To the first one, wouldn’t it make much more sense that the UESPA still exists in the current time and it is to Earth what the Vulcan navy is to them. Members of the Federation often have ships that are not under Starfleet command. As to why we never see the Earth fleet, they get everyone to join Starfleet so that all of Starfleet is the Earth defense force, tricky Earthlings.

[@bodyrumuae2914]

Since in the clip used for the animated series with Spock walking up a dune with the moon behind him then descending the other side with it on the other side of the city, then, does it not logically follow that it depicted two moons visible in the sky the same day?

[@chrisbrown1462]

Klingon Blood changes color based on their diet. The more raw food from Kronos they eat (Targs and those gross worm things) the more pinkish it becomes. Since Worf was raised by humans his blood is red.

[@tendracalrissian8820]

In regards to Cochrane and his age, one must discard entirely the whole First Contact movie as apocryphal. There are so many problems with the basic premise that the whole thing has to be Starfleet propoganda (and a holodeck adventure) in order to hide the real story, which is told in the book 'Federation.' That story clears up everything about Cochrane and the develpment of the warp drive. As for the Borg, their storyline is better handled in the 'Gods of Night' trilogy.

[@Pygar2]

The top of Pike's transporter can be seen on Perry Mason's desk!

[@mahatmarandy5977]

The fact that they always call the Enterprise as “The Flagship” has always irritated me. A flagship is a ship with a flag officer on it (An admiral). The Flag Ship is the command ship for a fleet or task force. This has never been the case in Trek (Excepting in the 2nd and 3rd movies, but even then it wasn’t in command of anything)

[@ouroboris]

Just keep reminding yourself, "It's only science fiction. It's only science fiction. It's only science fiction." Also, Trek is the result of many many many many many different writers, directors, showrunners, producers, and aliens combining infinite ideas. There's bound to be a contradiction or three.

[@BedsitBob]

The original Enterprise has a Holodeck, in the Star Trek Continues episode Pilgrim of Eternity.

[@romulusnr]

I kind of got the idea Cromwell's Cochrane looked as old as he did due to heavy drinking and goodness knows what else.

[@drakkonusfrostburn4038]

The rec room Holodeck thing is pretty easy to hand wave. The Holodeck on the 1701 Enterprise what state of the art for the time. Just google how awed everyone was when going from PlayStation to PlayStation 2 E3 demo. Also in a funny aside, what if the rec rooms environments actually looks like cartoons. Like something out of Who Framed Rodger Rabbit? or Mary Poppins?

[@mjsdecember1990]

The hardest substance known to man is a Volvo 760

[@BigJeremyBeyer]

I don't know if this was on the other list, but Vulcans were originally called Vulcanians.

[@wheatunrye]

My explanation for any inconsistencies is that there’s an actual time war going on 😅 seriously, in canon there are opposing forces that are activly trying to change the timeline to suit their interests. Not to mention all the accidental time travels of our main characters. Anytime somethings different it's because someone screwed something up in the timeline between episodes 😂

[@proffurrypaws]

Simple explanation; Vulcan doesn't have a moon because *is* a moon. Like Europa, a moon of a gas giant planet Jupiter, it's large enough of a planetoid to support an atmosphere itself. The other planetoids seen from Vulcan are likely the gas giant it orbits and the other large moons of *that* planet.

[@Revan2908]

Klingon blood was made pink to keep the MPAA rating below R.

[@noneofurbusiness5223]

I look fwd to reading "Legacy of . . ."

[@joemagnus5085]

Whatever happened to Ferengi being relatively strong? Also, how did they play baseball in a holosuite?

[@Tuskin38]

We did get a map of the Vulcan system in SNW S2 showing the twin planet.

[@josephmills9031]

#4 was obviously beyond the 60's film tech to accomplish in a realistic way.

[@CRYOKnox]

Well the most simple answer to all inconsistent story elements in ST is every episodes story arc takes place in a parallel dimension

[@Sierra0331]

Is there any lore that specifically says Vulcan is its own planet and not one of many moons of some other planet? That would explain why they don’t have a moon since Vulcan itself would be a moon. The “moons” we see in Vulcan’s sky are other moons of the planet Vulcan orbits? Genuinely asking.