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[@MrTerry]

Check out 10 more dumb alternate history scenarios: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rp-UeZyDrs90rqs

[@AnkfordPlays]

One of the creators of Fallout said that in their universe the Transistor wasn't invented till way later which is why they doubled down on nuclear power. That's why all the monitors, radios and tvs are so primitive

[@friezzerwilhelm]

it's modern technology so this is sorta plausible

[@PolymurExcel]

Full atomic punk.

[@Roowfc705]

Isn't this reverse engineering to get somewhere rather than a plausible development tree

[@AnkfordPlays]

@@Roowfc705 probably, the games had been out for several years when I saw that quote

[@MrSquigglies]

My favorite dumb alternate history scenario is Rome industrializes. Because they were remarkably close to it but also so far from it. I just love the idea of steam powered Roman War tractors like a really weird Warhammer steam tank but ducked out in Roman decorations. The image in my brain pleases me.

[@samiamtheman7379]

That was in his last video where he explains why Rome industrializing was very unlikely.

[@MrTerry]

Are any of these NOT dumb?

[@Oblivion786]

Carthage still had a chance in my dreams🔥🔥🔥🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣

[@MS-io6kl]

Justinian only failed because of the plague. In my opinion, he was the greatest Roman Emperor since Aurelian, and he is up to this point in time up in my top 5 Roman Emperors. The others are in chronological order Augustus, Trajan, Aurelian and Constantine. Vespasian, Hadrian, Antoninus Pius, Diocletian and Constantine would be my pics for the remaining places of a top ten. Anyway, given the amount of disasters Justinian had to deal with, he might have been the greatest Emperor of them all. As far as I can tell, he dealt with every crisis, but the plague overstretched his Empire. It killed about 25 to 35% of the Empire's population, and losses among city inhabitants, the bureaucracy, the clergy and the military were proportionally much higher. Vikings is a nonsensical term the way it is used, it's as dumb as quantum leap or renewable energy (all are valid and useful terms, except for renewable energy, which is physical nonsense) but if we would say a Scandinavian colonisation of North America, I can see it happen but only in one very specific case: If Canute's North Sea Empire continues. So basically if Harald Hadrada wins the English Crown in 1066 than it is possible. The Spanish conquistadors were not backed by a unified Empire they were backed first by a guy (Charles V) and later his family (the Habsburgs) who happened to rule over half of or more of Western, Central and Eastern Europe including at times almost all of modern Spain, Portugal, the Benelux countries, Germany, the better part of Italy, Austria, Czechia, Slovakia, Slovenia, parts of Hungary and Poland (just talking about the 1500s), parts of modern day France, Morocco, Tunisia etc. are just the cherry on the top. A unified Empire this was not. The North Sea Empire in the 1000s was more unified than the Habsburg lands in the 1500s. The Medici probably would have never been able to unify Italy, the Borgias however, if not for a stroke of very bad luck that incapacitated Cesare right at the time when he should put the contingency plans for his father's (Pope Alexander VI) death in motion, might have had a good run trying at least. If Franz-Ferdinad survives and his wife dies, there will be war, no ifs and buts about it. If both survive Sarajevo, however, there won't be a WW1 in 1914. Anyway, there almost certainly will be a WW1 (or more accurately in my opinion WW5, after the 80 years and 30 years War [WW0], the War of Spanish Succession and the concurrent Great Northern War [WW1], the War of Austrian Succession [WW2], the 7 years War [WW3] and the Coalition Wars against Revolutionary and Napoleonic France [WW4]). It might not be sparked by the Balkans, but I think it will be sparked, if not by the Balkans, than by something in Asia, or Africa. Though chances are the Alliances would end up quite differently. In the Asia scenario, it would probably be something that would turn the Great Game between Russia and Britain into a war. Which would lead Germany and most probably Austria-Hungary to join the English against the Russians and the French. In the African case, chances are that France and Britain come to blows, of course it might also be sparked by something minor let's say a conflict between Belgium or Portugal and Germany in the first case once again Germany would end up on Britain's side, in the 2nd however the Alliances probably would look pretty much like in the historic WW1. I disagree with him on the US-German war part of WW2 being unavoidable. I think it was very avoidable at this point in time. The thing is, until Germany declared war on the USA after Pearl Harbor, there wasn't really a WW2, there was a war in Asia that started in 1937 and a war (or series of wars) in Europe which started in 1939. These two wars only got connected after Pearl-Harbor. If Moustache Man doesn't declare war on the USA, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that the USA go to war with Germany until Japan is beaten. Also, Roosevelt would have a very hard time selling lend-lease to Congress and the American public if the USA were in a shooting war with Japan and not at war with Germany. He probably could argue it for the UK as they were fighting the Japanese as well, but for the USSR? Not, happening. Without allied lend-lease and no Americans in North-Africa, chances are that Italy stays in the fight much longer. The UK might even lose Egypt eventually, and the war on the Eastern Front would look quite different as well. Given how closely fought many battles on the Eastern Front were, I think it's likely that quite a few more would go the Germans way without land-lease. Also, without US bombers handicapping German industries and American escorts handicapping German U-boats and surface raiders, the battle in the Atlantic would be a different one as well. In my opinion, if Germany doesn't declare war on the USA, when the USA turn around and go to war with Germany eventually after they have beaten Japan, and this is pretty much unavoidable, except for the uranium deposits in East Germany being discovered a bit earlier than 1946, Germany would be in a much stronger position and the remnants of the USSR in a much weaker (I don't think the Nazis, given their ideology of racial superiority and Slavs being Untermenschen, could ever conquer the USSR, but they very well could destroy it). So while I think the Allies would win eventually, they'll have to do it before the uranium is discovered in East Germany because if the war drags on that long, Germany can outproduce the USA in nukes and if both sides have nukes it will turn into a Cold War Scenario.

[@Simjim_32]

@@Oblivion786 Carthage*

[@lobream]

I'm a Koganenodaichi fan Justinian is literally Deus Ex Machina irl

[@friezzerwilhelm]

@@lobream agreed

[@Allmightyimortal]

Beaver hunters ate beaver meat, especially during lent. it's why the Catholic Church had beaver classified as a fish, so hunters who were hunting beavers could eat enough food.

[@BeanManolo]

I think you meant 'ate' not 'hate', but yeah. Same for capybaras in South America, with a similar thought

[@Allmightyimortal]

@BeanManolo yep fixed that. Thank you.

[@MattnessLP]

To answer your question if Cody is getting sick of alternate history, I'd have to cross-reference the 2024 upload figures of his AltHist channel and PointlessHub, because it feels like he's done a lot more PointlessHub stuff last year than in previous years. Who knows, maybe he just had more fun talking about silly movie franchises or directors he kinda adores (Godzilla, Transformers, Roland Emmerich) than delving into increasingly stupid Alternate History rabbit holes, now that he has already covered most of the more plausible scenarios.

[@MrTJPAS]

It does seem like Cody has more fun with his PointlessHub content right now than the Alternate History stuff. I agree that it might be that he's covered so many scenarios at this point that now he's having to spend more time to find new ones that aren't either implausible or re-treading on previous material he's made videos about, and eventually everyone needs a breath of fresh air and wants to talk about something completely different from what they usually discuss.

[@Ali-bu6lo]

19:25 Yes, Guy Fawks was in an episode of Epic Rap Battles. It was against Che Guevara. However this is a from a rap battle on a different channel, Freshy Kanal, and is Guy Fawks vs. Robin Hood. There was also a fan made ERB episode of kinda Guy Fawks (fused with V from V for Vendetta) vs. the Joker. It was good in terms of customs and make up but the lyrics was bad.

[@bitcores]

27:59 I don't think anyone was expecting those negotiations to end the oil embargo to succeed.

[@s.henrlllpoklookout5069]

20:47 The plotters did have a plan: install James' daughter Elizabeth as Queen, with Hugh Percy as regent until she reached adulthood. It wasn't a GOOD or well thought-out plan, and it assumed that English Catholics would rally to the cause, but it was a plan

[@samiamtheman7379]

35:33 Rome industrializing was a topic from his last video on unlikely alt-history scenarios and it basically requires Rome not falling in the first place, which we can't tell how long that would've taken given how societies that partake in slavery tend to stagnate.

[@JustaBunchofGoofs]

19:23 it was on a channel called ‘freshly kanal’ a similar channel that used to be a sociated with ERB (although he did also have a separate battle)

[@vladyvhv9579]

The Mad Max franchise is a great example of "what if there was a worldwide nuclear war in the 70s?" And it spawned an entire genera of things like Fallout and Borderlands.

[@danielthemangrande]

They referenced a few frames from the music video for a band called Franz Ferdinand and their song "Take me Out" 23:20

[@pmbeavis4467]

One of my favorite alternate history scenarios is that Hitler doesn't declare war on the US on Dec, 11 1941 thus breaking the pact with Japan.

[@Noobsquaredgd]

If I breathe differently now then an empire will happen 10 million years in the future.

[@halbarad6924]

An important thing to think about is that any delay to WW1 makes Russia stronger when it starts. They were reforming their army with an end date of 1917, so anything that pushes the start of the war towards that could be impactful.

[@thetalkingbear]

Not really alt history but still fascinating to me was the Lost Regiment series of books.

[@zariaalhajmoustafa2573]

People forget one of the Viking lie about about a place and call it the Greenland just to convince his friends to settle in this area😂😂😂

[@GreenBrickss]

Always a good day when mr terry uploads

[@kzonedd7718]

If Rome didn't fall, nothing much would change. For one, after Rome most people tried to keep playing Rome. For technological advancement to occur so many things have to come together... the industrial revolution needed so many things to fall in place... at most we'd maybe see the Germanic tribes Romanizing more and instead of a Celtic/Germanic/Latin creole, you lot would be speaking a proper Romance language.

[@kzonedd7718]

Biggest change would probably be that Porky Pig would be called Porcy Porc.

[@aurthurpendragon1015]

2:25 Except Rome wasn't an Empire during the punic wars, so they wouldn't have much to conquer at the time.

[@MS-io6kl]

It was. That's an English language problem. Carthage was an Empire even though it was a Republic, as was Athens (Delian league). As were the Netherlands for parts of their history, as was Venice, as are currently the USA and China, as was the USSR. Also, all the French Republics were and are republican Empires. The problem in the English language is that you use one word for two connected but different concepts. In my native German, the term Empire has two translations: Weltreich (world realm), which denotes the power of a nation and the 2nd one is Kaiserreich (emperor realm) which is any state ruled by an Emperor. The examples I gave before all belong to the first definition of Empire. A few more Empires without an Emperor include: Portugal, Spain (except for Charles V), the Kingdom of France, England, later the UK, until Queen Victoria was crowned as Empress of India. Anyway Rome was, in my opinion, an Empire according to the first definition at least after the 1st Punic War, though I'd argue it was one even before, because they managed to beat Carthage, which was an Empire of the time. As far as I know, no Empire in history has been beaten by a none-Empire in a long-lasting war if the none-Empire had not been backed up by another Empire or the Empire had been distracted and/or weakened by other problems. Just a few examples: without France, the US never would have gained their independence, without Soviet backing for the Vietcong/North Vietnam the USA win in Vietnam, without the backing of the US for the Mujahedin the USSR wins in Afghanistan.

[@360Nomad]

Top 10 Smart Alternate History Scenarios 1. Confederates save pregnant Anne Frank

[@NeonBeeCat]

I agree with what he said, i really think the soviet union lasted as long as it feasibly could've.

[@Firemalleoandjelly]

32:30 It was dying gasp of the Soivet Union.

[@jparbiter1972]

Wouldn’t the mere attempt on Ferdinand be enough if a casus beli to light the WWI powder Keg?

[@mrcroob8563]

12:55 A gentleman thats who 😂

[@richiesmeckgeckscas46]

Queer little creatures, and gay to be certain, too

[@DecimusCastusSPQR]

When I have the appropriate amount of alcohol in my system 😂

[@MS-io6kl]

39:00 that was reality except for the galactic part and that reality was called the Roman Empire. Rich Romans had slaves that told them the name of every important person they saw on the street, or that warmed their seat in the theatre, amphitheatre, or the public toilet, or that calculated maths problems for them.

[@AnkfordPlays]

Yeah the first unified Viking state (Denmark) had only just happened in 965 and by the time of Leif Eriksson (the year 1000 roughly) Denmark was way more steeped in England with Canute the Great becoming the king of The Great Northsea Empire 10-15 years later. Sweden and Norway were also pretty busy at the time, I think Sweden wasn't a full concept till the 12th century and Norway even later

[@chaost4544]

6:30 I agree with that. At the very least Western Rome was starting to become more trouble than it was worth.

[@marxmaiale9981]

When it comes to the Soviet fall, it wouldn't have been just Russia. Kazakhstan was the last remaining Soviet state even after Russia left it, I don't see that changing easily.

[@raymondparisza5094]

The true difference between the Viking settlements and the Spanish boil down to the potato. The Spanish exported the potato from S America providing a food staple that basically eliminated starvation leading to an explosion in population and power. This would have never happened with the Vikings since potatoes were not native to Finland and N America

[@joshuawells835]

19:23- Yes, Epic Rap Battles of History Season 6 Episode 2: Guy Fawkes vs Che Guevara.

[@MalikF15]

25:53 oh no you just demonetized your video 😅. If WW1 started later it might lead to a quicker war since Russia would be better industrialized and better prepared to fight a long walk against Germany. And if the conditions in Russia aren’t so bad, then you might not get a red October.

[@f1lthyp1neapple98]

i literally got to this point and looked to see if someone made the same comment lmao. he was doing so well at not saying it too

[@Rhbrehaut]

Best case for a quicker war is Woodrow Wilson’s loses in 1912 and the US gets heavily involved in the war sooner by either Taft or Teddy

[@jeffreygao3956]

At least call him real Jake Featherston.

[@Dragonite43]

@@RhbrehautIf Teddy were President we would most likely join the war in Europe after Lusitania sinking. If Taft was President, I think we still joined the war the same time as Wilson in our timeline, but Taft would've cut off trade with the central powers way sooner.

[@charlesmaurer6214]

If you want a no electricity option try reading David Weber's Safehold Series (Scifi world after man is nearly wiped out and forced to hide without electronics and maintain that restriction) Need to start at the beginning and I will warn you they are big books and nearly a dozen of them. Mr. Terry I think you would enjoy them but the scope will eat some time. I buy Weber's works in hardbound as I will reread them especially the Honorverse stuff(his other big seller set of series). Most his stuff is published by Baen Books but Safehold is Tor books. He also cowrites some including a couple of the alternate (due to time displacement) history by Eric Flint known as the Ring of Fire Series. The Ring of Fire series impressed me for the real historical detail few outside historians will know and also close to home with the transplanted town is a WV Coal Town a couple hours away. The town's name is adjusted (there is both a Grantville and Grant Town in WV and the Grantville as described is Grant Town with a power plant added. Both are not far from Morgantown (home of WVU) but Grant Town is south and Grantville is west of WVU. I'm South West of both near Charleston WV. They are dropped in Europe and deal with the two most famous Cardinals of France (One before he even takes the name he is known by and still using his Italian form) I don't want to say more for spoilers but again I think you would enjoy some I have mentioned here.

[@kineuhansen8629]

one alternative scenario ive been curious about for a long time now is what if germany during the 1st world war attacked russia first early on

[@avicarnonbagel279]

Imo the situation would be pretty much the same. Germany still wins in Russia and stalls against France. Remeber that, even in our timeline, Germany was fighting Russia much earlier than they expected to. An invasion of Russia still would have triggered a war with France due to the Entente's agreements. Two fronts was pretty much inevitable.

[@JonStormr]

While I don’t think the Medici's could have united Italy, they may have been able to unite northern Italy minus Venice especially when the Medici's started to entangle themselves with the Valois.

[@3ffen]

35:39 Before reaching the industrial revolution, what would be the consequences of a strong Roman Empire be when the Muslims arrive in 600-700 AD, and what would then happen to the Crusades a few centruries later? I kinda get what Cody was getting at with his point 🙂

[@paulgoodridge2269]

All things considering Carthage did have a chance to win during the first Punic war, I'll be at not a great chance. After they lost that war they had no chance of beating Rome.

[@havocvortexx4295]

finding out mr terry is a vikings fan hurt my soul.............

[@NOxSPLOOSHxPLANE]

Go check out (The operations room) just put out another banger, a great 4.5 hour animated documentary of ( The invasion of Iraq 2003) so damn good like usual

[@paulgoodridge2269]

Highly unlikely. Due to the political leaders, a interesting event or timeline would be if the Japanese attacked everyone but the United States when they did their expansion. Very risky but plausible.

[@LampDoesVideogame]

Hey Terry, if you play video games, you sould play the game Gun. Gamecube/ps2 Western era game. Watching Sam's Dead Body Hijinks made me think you'd probably like it.

[@believeume122]

Wish you would react to more chat history

[@miquelcanosasanteularia1678]

23:40

[@Poctyk]

I completely disagree with his Soviet coup take. If coup plotters were more competent, chances are, Russia would be able to preserve entirety of the imperial core, since as Sergyi Plokhyi in his "The Last Empire..." shows, most leaders of the Soviet Republics, during the first day of the coup were massive fence sitters. What I mean by "more competent" is start by arresting Yeltsin, the same day as Gorbachev. What the hell were they thinking? He was a well known storm rider at that point. Obviously the whole thing would require more planning. Even if, we imagine that Caucasus + Moldova + Baltics managed to run from the Kremlin's empire. They don't really matter. (besides Caspian oil). 3 Slavic states + 3 Central Asian states (i.e. countries that considered signing new treaty until pretty much the last moment, and were most likely to bend the knee before the coup) are about 87,5% of USSR's population and probably close to that in industrial power. Thankfully it didn't happen.

[@KhoaTran-md5ou]

Napoleon created many countríe, germany, italy and spain are some example

[@johannsanchocuevas7854]

Spain already existed tho

[@miguelpadeiro762]

Spain predates Napoleon by like 100 years

[@johannsanchocuevas7854]

@miguelpadeiro762 Yes

[@miquelcanosasanteularia1678]

14:35

[@erdood3235]

My mom, who lived in ussr, said that [in her opinion] it was Yeltsin that wanted to separate Russia from the ussr, so that he'll be on top, and his Russia won't have to carry all the other republics. There are of course the separatist peoples themselves, but Russian leadership also has an interest in ending the USSR

[@Caliballen22]

Get blue from overly sarcastic productions

[@MattRob1c]

Oh 3 min ago. Unintentionally early. I just clicked the notification after waking up.

[@WanderingWriter]

SKOL

[@newlvlupsno3620]

Skol!!

[@gamerperson9965]

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