10 or 1000 IQ Star Wars duel...

[@TaraCicora]

It's visually stunning, but if you actually pay attention, it falls apart. Which is pretty true for much of the ST. But I do like staring at it.

[@dan-eo6bx]

which is why you dont look closely it looks epic but the plot is just ass

[@BrickinRidiculous]

@@dan-eo6bxKinda like the prequels everyone likes them for nostalgia so they don’t pay attention to the insanely stupid stories!

[@jovianmelendez]

​@@BrickinRidiculous the stories are mostly fine the execution just left much to be desired, but the main stories there are at least good, can't say the same for the ST

[@lordvader5756]

Agreed

[@TaraCicora]

@@jovianmelendez agreed, the story idea was excellent for the PT, but the execution was very much less so.

[@viperson9818]

The fight scene is awesome just don’t look closely. One point Rey is stabbed by a praetorian and Daisy even acted out the scream and everything but the blade was just edited out and that’s it. Or both last standing praetorians decide to choke out their opponents, why does Star Wars do this I have no idea.

[@johanhalvarsson2148]

Well, if Snokes death was orchestrated by Palps it makes sense that they didn't try to kill them. I was sure that Snoke would come back, surviving by hate alone lika Maul had done. Or maybe his species doesn't really care about that part of his body. I was wrong about that part but I'm still not sure senior Palpy was supposed to come back when they finished VIII

[@airrider-jk9ik]

honestly "the fight scene is awesome, jsut dont look closely" describes every lightsaber duel

[@paffles6696]

@@airrider-jk9ik Tell that to the lightsaber duel on Mustafar between Ani an Obi. Outside of a few instances, the fight really does hold up thanks to the training the actors did.

[@hunterkiller1440]

I remember there was a clip overanalyzing the duel between Obi Wan, Qui Gon and Maul on how many unnecessary swings, strikes, parries and blocks that don't even hit the opponents. But doesn't change the fact the duel was pretty.

[@abhinavprakash2094]

The prequel fights weren't realistic because lightsaber isn't a realistic weapon. The lightsaber is actually has weight in the star wars universe and anyone can tell this by seeing a lightsaber duel. The thing is that the prequel choreography was maybe unrealistic but it was fucking awesome but the sequel duels didn't felt that exciting because it had a bad choreography.

[@gwilym1991]

It is definitely the most complicated and ambitious fight scene in all of Star Wars. It has over a dozen combatants and even when the numbers drop most of the time it is still two simultaneous 1 vs 3 fights, with long takes and the actors themselves doing the fighting. Overall its really impressive and the effort deserves respect. That being said there are a few mistakes, most notably one of the guards disappearing weapon when they grapple Rey. The mistakes are there but all in all to me it is a really solid scene.

[@exknight39]

It was visually cool then there was the contrast of Rey, a Jedi who was fighting rage like a Sith, and Kylo, an apprentice to a "Sith Lord" fighting calmly and analyzing his surroundings like a Jedi. It looks cool, but it just dont make sense

[@oliversherman2414]

This is probably the best scene in the movie. But that doesn't save the rest of it

[@alejandroalcalarodriguez]

Of course count Dooku is the most realistic duellist... Lee is probably one of the actors who did the most sword fights is movie history.

[@gloriousginger]

Lightsabers don't SPARK

[@cameronhermann9400]

I don’t think it was the sabers, it was the guard’s weapons. Though they shouldn’t be sparking either so I see your point

[@Blizzardholocron]

They should. The whole point of the corridor crew video was to reinvent the concept of a light saber while keeping the traditional look of them.

[@silentleo5005]

The fight of these show was never the problem for me 😂😂😂

[@nointeraction-today]

The idea is there but the performance....

[@baradmemarkermani2184]

It's the worst, there is many errors

[@Harry-kc8jr]

So many errors in ani obi-wan fight, Darty maul fight, Roku fight and Luke vs Vader fight. Without it being slowed this fight passes the eyeball test at least for me.

[@thimovijfschaft3271]

The sequels have the same problem with it's choreography as many Disney+ shows have where it might look impressive until you start paying attention. The prequel choreography might be unrealistic but has a much better attention to detail. The Acolyte and the Ahsoka vs Baylan so far where the only times where I actually felt like Disney did a really good job with the choreography.

[@TheLeatheryman]

The way I see it, different sabres emit different “gravity” or weight. Lucas said they are “heavy”, but that doesn’t mean they want to fall to the ground heavy. It means they’re creating their own gravity as a machine that emits plasma in a holographic structure that is spinning so fast, external gravitic forces only have a cursory affect on it. Enough so it doesn’t float away like a UFO, which in theory, or according to Bob Lazar, work in a similar way. But that’s an entirely different conversation. Think a large high speed electric drill. Holding it and waving it around when it's switched off ... Now turn it on and try it. Not all lightsabers would be created equally, or even be on the same settings for that matter. Different speeds and intensity for example. As for the fight choreography, some of it is brilliant! Daisy and Adam are phenomenal, as are the stuntmen. It’s the direction for the guards to hang back do exhibition moves that makes it bad. They should be incapacitated instead of waiting their turn. It's a fight.. it's chaotic, not Cirque Soleil 😂

[@michaelchristy506]

Usually striking doesn’t make it realistic, which is what makes it good Also, this is both in canon and legends, but lightsabers do have a significant amount of weight, but those who use the force have it appear not as heavy to those who dont

[@corruptangel6793]

The weight is inconsistent because George himself changed his mind on the matter between the OT and PT

[@HighlandHellboy]

I love it, but I don’t mind if others don’t. I do however mind people saying as you point out that the prequels choreography is so much better when its equally about the visuals over the “making sense”, in fact that carries through the whole nature of the series. It’s a space opera fairy tail, it’s never been about realism, that’s what makes Rogue One and Andor stand out so much.

[@luk3066]

It had a lot of potential, but I think whoever was in charge of choreographing and editing the scene just got lazy and didn’t really care about fixing these inconsistencies

[@spaceagepenguin]

I side with the best for sure, the entire scene had and still has me floored every time I see it (I also have both Lego sets which I am very proud of!)

[@wartersaw1824]

the scene is visually pleasing and that's it, there are several scenes where the guards just do things for the sake of doing something, the scene where kylo stabs the guard after shoving the two other guards away and the armed guard that kylo goes to stab just throws his weapon away before even making contact with kylo's blade at all, there's also several scenes where Rey and Kylo give wide, unguarded spots that would definitely be a game over if they were struck but that guards opt to attack their less vital areas like arms or legs or better yet sometimes they just aim for the lightsaber blade, its just stupid

[@Chelnaka]

The Last Jedi being the most divisive Star Wars movie is quite the feat, since Attack of the Clones exists. Never thought I’d see THAT happen…

[@damien_warren]

Also, Rey's using anger during that fight which is...a really dumb idea 'cause she's supposed to learn the Jedi way

[@gudnisnow3399]

In my opinion this is the best duel in the sequels

[@kylepeters8690]

look, I know there are a lot of empty moments if you lok for them, but to me. this is the third best saber fight in the franchise (at least live action) this fight is a rush of chaos in the best way. Plus this is the only time we've seen a fight of this scale, even acolyte which had like a dozen jedi vs one sith didn't do a fight on this scale. This is the only time we've gotten this many melee users in one fight with a two V eight (I don't know how many guards there are exactly so I could be wrong) and the fight is chaotic as opponents are switched and despite the moments of iffy combat it feels like Rey and Kylo are being pushed. It also should serve to shut up anyone who bitches about Rey beating Kylo as she has to struggle just with one guard while Kylo is soloing like five of them at the same time. It's just a blast to watch. Sure it could maybe use a bit more polishing but over all its a great fight and I don't care about some moments where a guard could kill Kylo or Rey, because star wars is filled with those moments. For gods sake, any fight with someone who has two sabers should be over in seconds because they have a second blade to use to just block and go for the kill at the same time but we don't complain about that for the prequals

[@KyleWallPuncher]

When Rey and Kyle are fighting the guards 1v1 it’s not bad, it’s when you get wide shots with tons of ppl that the problems are apparent

[@DeliciousBeans10188]

When I first watched it in theaters I was like "this is so good" and then I watched at home and saw all the errors and now it's a laughing stock for me

[@cyberinsecuregaming2890]

Once you notice that the guard with two blades has the blade in his left hand disappear when he gets Rey in a headlock, you'll never be able to see the scene the same way again. This fight is deeply flawed, just like the rest of this movie.

[@TheRibottoStudios]

You can say whatever you want about the Last Jedi. It is THE BEST movie visually in the entire saga. I'll die on that hill. It has the best cinematography in any Star Wars movies. Just about any shot is frame worthy.

[@Outrunwhistle]

True. Crait (is that how you spell it?) looked spectacular, god damn 👌

[@kyleerickson4741]

As someone who has come to strongly dislike Disney Star Wars, I to this day can acknowledge the visual style and cinematography of The Last Jedi is quite striking and wonderful to look at. And it is among the best in the franchise, with Empire Strikes Back also being up there.

[@TheRibottoStudios]

​@Outrunwhistle i want a crystal wolf figurine so bad. swarovski I WILL GIVE YOU ALL MY MONEYS for it.

[@jacobs1834]

I like it.

[@Toke3164]

If you praise the last Jedi, you're definitely in the 10 IQ camp... That thing is an affront to anything star wars related

[@bongutong]

I have never heard anyone ever say they enjoyed this movie.

[@Raichiro]

It's incredible, but, if you slow it down to 0.1 speed you will see that it is still incredible

[@Rounderyathecruel]

@@Raichiro what about the actors constantly missing their que and purposefully hitting the sabers and all attacks the same angle

[@Amp661]

Only to blind people like you

[@Raichiro]

@@Rounderyathecruel Yeah that's the point

[@Rounderyathecruel]

@@Raichiro the point is that it’s bad?

[@Raichiro]

@@Rounderyathecruel It's not bad, it is intentional and makes it good imo

[@skgamer-zs6en]

i feel its kinda bad stuff just disappeared and random stuff happens during the fight but if u watch it with a blind eye then its fine. but still the last jedi has to be the worst star wars movie i have ever seen.

[@robinnordqvist-pettersson457]

I think it looks great

[@Amp661]

Because you dont look very hard.

[@robinnordqvist-pettersson457]

@@Amp661 ok i am sorry but i dont really see that as a bad thing we are all different and sure i am not tough but i got other personalitys like being creative and i am also really social if you still think thats wrong then maybe you should rethink your life choices

[@Outrunwhistle]

@@Amp661 It does look good, but the choreography is bad. There’s a difference

[@pimba1114]

If you look that much into any fight scene in any movie (SW as well) they will look "worse" or "not realistic", but its a movie, and most of the people like more that way (me too) than if it was made with realistic coreograph

[@VinVonVoom]

1:00 Okay but this issue is far far more present in the sequels including the praetorian guard scene. The actual props for the sabers are incredibly heavy so they swing them with much more weight than the prequels.

[@Blizzardholocron]

And yet people are capable of buying high-quality, durable, lightweight sabers online and a multi billion dollar company is unable to make functioning props?

[@Rorujin]

People complaining about the choreography of this scene... Look I love the prequels. LOVE them. More than the sequels in fact. But saying this one fight if full of mistakes when almost all of the prequels duels exist... You people are blind. Which is, sadly, consistent with Star Wars fans. 10 years ago I would have to do this song and dance to defend the prequels, now it's to defend the sequels... But the nitpicks, the complaints, the hate, it's all the same as it used to be. And as it ever was.

[@sythezuah]

the last jedi is easily the best sequels movie

[@Ubaydullah-sm8ud]

One thing I hated from that movie was that it looked too.......bright compared to the previous movie that looked dark even during the day which I liked

[@Striker2X]

Its good fighting, but I am just a fan of the most of the light saber fights in general

[@loganbrown3334]

This only reinforces my belief that Disney tries hard to top the duel on Mustafar, and falls short every single time. VFX wise, yeah it looks good, but when you pay attention to the choreography it's a total nightmare that they clearly tried to successfully do in one take. The only thing the Sequels did was touch up on George's previous works, and while the CGI in the prequels is showing it's age, it still holds up well today, and I barely see an improvement of the CGI from the Prequels to the Sequels. Star Wars always did two things. Firstly, push the boundaries of VFX, and secondly, tell a good story. Unless you've got computers spontaneously combusting like in the production of Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, you're not pushing the boundaries of VFX, and we all know how the story portion has turned out under Disney...

[@haldir56]

The fight is very striking visually, but the choreography is kinda…middling. Has the same problems that a lot of other bad group fights have in movies, where the extras just kinda stand around waving their weapons until it’s time to go get killed by the protagonists. If it were in a better (or at least, less divisive) movie, I don’t think people would pick it apart so much.

[@garatenadialga6886]

There are reasons for them swinging there sabers one is to keep the momentum going another is couse there constantly reading each others movements which is why Obi-Wan and Anikan had that wiers moment when they swung there blades around keep in mind a lightsaber fight is not a sword fight

[@Blizzardholocron]

Why would you need momentum? Why do they keep doing big swings? No matter how strong you hit, a structured Perry or attack perfectly counters any big overarching strong attack.

[@garatenadialga6886]

@@Blizzardholocron that would knock your lightsaber out of your hand prohaps there trying to confuse the opponent the way greveiouse and the incwisitders do

[@Blizzardholocron]

@@garatenadialga6886 that’s even dumber..:

[@garatenadialga6886]

@@Blizzardholocron again lets say your making small strokes and your opponent knocks your saber out your hand

[@splat1399]

When you watch this scene without knowledge of the poor choreography it's not noticeable however when it is pointed out it sticks out like a sore thumb. I think they replied too much on the visuals in this regard. To compare it to duel of the fates which is really well choreographed and almost looks like a dance shows off that this is a more elegant weapon for a civilised age and fits in context of the overall timeline however a fight against snokes elite guards and they're throwing their weapons to be killed and not taking the opportunity to kill kylo and rey shows the choreographer didn't really think or care

[@Icasus]

It's okay. Visually it looks amazing, but it has 0 emotional substance and a lot of mistakes. Had they practiced for 6 months (like the obi ani fight) and if it had a better story then it would've been one of the best. Luke VS vader in episode 6 still hits way harder after vader starts talking about turning leia to the darkside. Epic music, lots of emotion.

[@potatosackstudios6374]

Lightsaber blades are not a laser and are not light. A lightsaber blade is made of plasma and the physical part they hold in their hand is actually quite heavy as indicated by Padme in the clone wars series when Anakin entrusts her with it. A simple google search would reveal this information.

[@Blizzardholocron]

They’re called laser swords by George Lucas. Good enough for me to consider them laser swords, and lasers literally form into plasma.

[@TomsTrailerReactions]

I don’t hate it, but I don’t love it!

[@Agentsmith-k8q]

Not the best not the worst

[@CrystalMecha]

It's not a lightsaber duel its just a fight scene that uses lightsabers.

[@Blizzardholocron]

So a lightsaber duel… your statement makes zero sense, you could just call it a duel, it’s gonna have the same meaning either way.

[@CrystalMecha]

@@Blizzardholocron It's not a real lightsaber duel because the lightsabers don't really clash as the weapons of the guards are not lightsabers just similar weapons. Also a duel is combat between two people so it's not a duel either, it's just a scene of Rey and Kylo finishing off guards.

[@Blizzardholocron]

@@CrystalMecha that still doesn’t make any sense, if it includes light sabers, that would mean it’s a dual, and a dual is the same as a light saber dual, just using different weapons, there is no logical reasoning behind your statement. It’s a combat dual, there’s no denying that, and while I do slightly see your point, based off what the weapons are meant to be resistant towards, and their capabilities and their functionality, it would still classify as a light saber dual.

[@Yuri-Camp]

1:00 whether or not a different movies fights did something bad. its no excuse for making bad things in your own movie

[@Dgr__003]

It’s the only good scene in that entire movie honestly 🤣

[@goldarnit]

Gotta give them credit where it's due, the sequels were definitely Pretty. Shame about the writing, the plot, the characters, etc etc...

[@HyraxusPrimus]

It's still not even the choreography that I don't like, it's the fact there's even a fight to begin with. We've seen what Kylo Ren could do with the Force, we've seen what Rey could do with the Force 20 minutes after this (and before this), and we've seen how Yoda dealt with Imperial Royal Guards before. It's inexcusable for Kylo not to just Force push all of them into the turbines. The only thing he should've needed Rey's help with defeating was Snoke. It should've been removed for the same reason why they axed the Obi-Wan vs. Magnaguards fight on Utapau, except that fight probably would've had better choreography than what we got here.

[@jamestolbert1856]

I prefer the Prequels choreography better

[@Gunnar001]

It's lazy and dumb with characters I don't care about in a story I don't care about.

[@superplaysminecraft3923]

-1000 iq! Those Guards are terrible. I love the preitorian guards in Mandalorian season 3 because they actually win against Paz Visla. They are better than these

[@theforcedragon3781]

I have yet to see the flaws that People say are so easy to point out. Idk if it’s just me or not. This is a pretty good Fight and In general I enjoy all lightsaber fights. The reason they look different is because of the Era they are placed in

[@Outrunwhistle]

There were many opportunities to kill the protagonists, several guards kinda just stop their onslaught for a moment, and you can see one just go spinning off in the opposite direction (that parts actually hilarious to me)

[@theforcedragon3781]

@@Outrunwhistle Well yea you have a point but you could just say they where trained to Fight like that. One attacks the others defend and then they switch and do the same again

[@Outrunwhistle]

@@theforcedragon3781 Perhaps, but even as a sequel defender I say it was a relatively poor fight choreograph wise

[@theforcedragon3781]

@@Outrunwhistle Yeah I can see that and agree And Nice to see another Sequel defender 💪🗿

[@goldarnit]

This is the bit that really ruins it for me: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4TQgH-GqJ5ki8U

[@niallharrington3636]

didn't manda and rebels confirm they do have weight

[@HufflepuffBaseball42313]

That’s the Darksaber. Not regular lightsabers.

[@niallharrington3636]

@@HufflepuffBaseball42313 is that confirmed to only apply to the darksaber

[@HufflepuffBaseball42313]

@@niallharrington3636 Pretty sure. Haven’t seen it applied to any other saber.

[@corn.3892]

@@HufflepuffBaseball42313 No, Padme refers to the fact that lightsabers are very heavy during a Clone Wars Episode.

[@HufflepuffBaseball42313]

@@corn.3892 Oh, I forgot about that

[@GeorgeWest-o5l]

You know if the original trilogy and prequels had the type of CGI that we have nowadays everything would look like crap compared to them. The only reason this scene looks impressive is because of the visuals, which were impossible during the prequels and original trilogy. It isn't TERRIBLE, but just still not insanely impressive.

[@vitonadanen]

Why it's always become an argument??

[@LibbyG-wp4hi]

I like how it looks, but the fighting makes me want to 🤮

[@SpewingNonsense-101]

0.000000000001 IQ duel

[@nialencapefet5154]

For any of the Prequel fans who criticize this: remember how Palpatine jumps over his desk, and decimates three jedi master in literal seconds with two of them never even contacting a blade and just staring at him. That was very realistic and exciting. Almost all fights have their flaws (excluding the ones in SWTOR trailers of course, those are as perfect as one can get). This one is not bad at all. The movie was solid, and if they have not brought Palpatine back for Episode IX and just focused on Kylo Ren as the main villain/leader of the enemy, it would have been very good. Yes, Episode IX sucks, no debate on that. That movie harmed the Sequels at least as much as Jar Jar harmed the Prequels.

[@Rounderyathecruel]

Whataboutism. Argument invalid

[@hairyott3rr]

The sequel trilogy face planting the climactic last movie is so much worse than a goofy character everyone forgot by the time the second prequel came out..

[@nialencapefet5154]

@@hairyott3rr Jar Jar is not even the worst, in Episode II, the bullshit Anakin said to woo Padmé was absolutely the worst dialogue I have ever heard. The Prequels start very low, and end with a decent movie, while the Sequels were decent, and then Episode IX pulls the whole thing down to the Abyss. You are of course right on the ending counting more, the Clone Wars kinda serves as the real prequel to Episode III, and you can forget how pathetic Anakin was in the live movie, or how little presence each villain had when they receive numerous shows to build them up. But a failed finale can't be salvaged in any way.

[@wistfulgraph]

@@Rounderyathecruelyou would be right if many prequels fans didn’t cite how bad the sequels are in order to demonstrate how the prequels are good. It’s a shame that prequels idolization and sequels hatred seem to practically the same thing

[@Rounderyathecruel]

@@wistfulgraph the prequels aren’t good, but they absolutely demolish the sequels in literally every single manner besides cgi, and that’s only because George Lucas didn’t have the technology

[@DocOverlord]

Snoke's death was one of the stupidest villain deaths in movie history. It's a zero IQ idiot who keeps a live weapon right next to him and doesn't even notice the thing moving. I suppose his beady eyes must have bigger blind spots but so much for the sensory perceptions of a Force-trained 'Sith Master'. The fight then drops the intelligence of the entire scene even lower.... It's fine to see the guys in the back of a fight posing and waving around their weapons in a kung-fu movie, but Abrams manages to bring all the audience's attention to it thanks to their bright, shiny outfits. These films were a travesty on every level from starting with the directing and writing.

[@KlamparDafenrad]

Visually appealing, but atrocious choreography. Stil not as bad as Kylo vs KOR in TROS though

[@TBONE1138]

Awesome scene. In my opinion one of the best scenes in the sequel trilogy. Who cares if it falls apart under scrutiny this is Star Wars after all

[@Lancersilva]

It’s very pretty until you really look at it

[@berserkerbright2558]

The choreography is shit in that scene Anyways about why Jedi and sith fight the way they do while there’s no weight in the blade the hilt can vary in size and weight depending on what it’s made of for example Obi-wan’s lightsaber is lighter and made to compliment his defensive form while Aniken and Vader’s are heavier and meant to deal harder and more powerful strikes complementing their more aggressive styles Dooku’s was also really light and its sleek design made it perfect for a more fencing style of fighting and mauls was bigger and meant to resemble fighting with a bo staff I could go on and on but hopefully you get the point TLDR all the weight’s in the hilt and fighting style has a lot to do with it

[@baconturbo2681]

its not a light saberfight

[@paulhugo1623]

All show… no substance. Absolute crap

[@faisalmemon285]

Any scene with Adam Driver is stupid.

[@leonis2692]

1:16 Lightsabers are heavy. If you would've watched the rebels or boba fett series you would know it. In tıme when wielder gets to know how to really use them, lightsabers get lighter but they are still heavy.

[@willlahke]

What bro are you dumb that’s the dark saber completely different you are comparing an ancient Mandalorian weapon to a Jedi saber what are you on

[@JayDee-c8f]

That is just a darksaber. It's different from lightsabers. User of DS needs to be focused and have clear mind for it to work as regular lightsaber. Otherwise it gains weight.

[@leonis2692]

@@JayDee-c8f Kanan explains it best in Rebels. He's talking about the darksaber but he's speaking from experience as a jedi, so the same principles should apply to regular lightsabers. Energy is constantly flowing from the hilt, so you're directing a current of power as he says. It's supposed to get easier as you connect with the blade which makes sense since kyber crystals are strongly connected to the force.

[@LucianPosey]

A lot of fans don’t even know the lore of lightsabers it’s hilarious

[@Blizzardholocron]

That doesn’t even make any sense… I’m pretty sure only the dark saber has weight, And swords in real life are only around 1-10ish pounds, MAX. They’re not these huge weapons that are extremely heavy, on average they’re like 5 pounds

[@BrickinRidiculous]

That fight scene is one of the best scenes in the movie and people who say it’s bad are absurd

[@Icasus]

'best scene' is a very low bar in that movie 🤣

[@BrickinRidiculous]

@@IcasusIt’s still better than Revenge of the Sith 😅

[@The360Cyclone]

@@BrickinRidiculous Outrageous take

[@BrickinRidiculous]

@@The360Cyclone😂😂😂😂 it shouldn’t be! The idea that Vader kills 1,000s of Jedi and children just to save his wife is incredibly stupid!

[@h24manu]

​@@BrickinRidiculous the idea of a 30 minute Casino side plot instead of focussing on the important parts, like Luke training Rey, is incredibly stupid

[@MrWillman49er]

-10 😂

[@The_Fridger_CZ]

Visually great. Choreographycly not so much

[@Rorujin]

You can't even spell the damn word😂

[@Blizzardholocron]

@@Rorujin your point being?

[@jackrodakthemovieguy1726]

Some people just forget how to enjoy a fight scene. Instead, pointing out small blink and miss issues is how these scenes should apparently be judged overall

[@fredericos4190]

Visually awesome but overall awful choreography and the whole scene just kinda sux

[@Deuteromis]

Only thing I remember from the fight is how baffling, in just one day Rey's skills with the saber dramatically changed.

[@sonnyt19]

I’ve got to be honest, I think it’s a terrible scene, but that’s just me. It feels so much like a dance and not in a good way. Sure, the scene is good visually. And lots of the last Jedi is exceptional visually and sound wise. It’s it’s one redeeming feature. Fair play to the cinematography team. But that still doesn’t take away that it’s a terrible scene, in a terrible film. In my opinion that is. I’m trying to be fair here, but I hold my hands up in that TLJ is a sore spot for me. Because it does so much damage to the Star Wars universe as a whole.

[@artsman412]

The visuals and cinematography of the fight are good, but the choreography is absolutely garbage. To get an idea of how bad it is, check out the fight scene autopsy by Shadiversity. He also analyzed the fight between Kenobi and Anakin in RoTS, and actually found the choreography to be pretty good.

[@Outrunwhistle]

Except for the moment they just spin their lightsabers around themselves for a solid couple of seconds. That was kinda goofy

[@artsman412]

@@Outrunwhistle I mean, there's ways people justify it, but yeah, it's a little dumb.

[@Blizzardholocron]

He’s the only person who thinks that the revenge of the the Sith duel possesses any type of realism. because out of everyone, I’ve seen on the Internet talking about the dual, they all agree that it’s bad when it comes to accuracy

[@joqlepecheur7350]

I disliked it and is one of the worst part of the movie for me. the colors are nice that's it. Everybody waiting its turn to do something like a dancing contest

[@ΑνίκητοςΓιαννούδης]

Cool scenery and concept but ridiculous choreography and the guards act more like dancers than fighters.

[@Yamanohikari]

You look at any movie fight scene closely you are going to see some flaws.

[@Blizzardholocron]

But they shouldn’t be flaws that can easily be fixed, half of the time, it’s impossible for them to not notice the mistakes and yet they somehow still keep them in

[@jeffreyrivers1983]

It was good and exciting until you see the stupidity... not sure they understand that it takes you out of the moment.

[@mrmonster987]

It’s a visually good scene but it can’t compare to prequel and original trilogy fights

[@Tricky117]

It's a cool fight.... but yeah it pises me off when guys are just standing around waiting to attack while the hero is engaging one or two others with his back to them.

[@GamingGod-STRIKE]

Early

[@lyjo21]

People looking for realism in science fiction. Sure.

[@Fearofthemonster]

Pff. There is always that guy who fails to understand the suspension of disbelief in speculative fiction. The viewer suspends the disbelief in the fantastic elements, the viewer doesn't suspend the disbelief in basic competence of the most elite warriors in the galaxy. Fantastic elements doesn't make a fantasy movie bad, badly executed plot does.

[@GiovanniChilelli]

first

[@legndaryhero]

… sequel movie was worse than this scene alone