10 reasons why EVs can never dominate transportation (part 1) | Auto Expert John Cadogan

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[@mohammadwasilliterate8037]

Tesla Model-Y best selling car 2023, Tesla CYBER TRUCK most pre-ordered car ever with 2.2 million orders, 15% of the worlds new cars sold in 2023 were EV, and you think it will stop at 30%?.... surveys suggest most people want an EV, China already at 50% new cars EV, Norway 90%, Germany 30%

[@RodneyW]

@@mohammadwasilliterate8037 You should fact check yourself. The near 50% marketshare for China is "NEV" (New Energy Vehicles), which includes hybrids. When you exclude hybrids, BEV's are less than 25% . That has only been achieved with the assistance of massive subsidies from the Chinese government. The Tesla cyber truck orders are an illusion. They can't even make them. Tesla Model Y sales are real. Driven by subsidies, governments and corporate fleets in the city (especially Canberra). Private sales... not so much!

[@vk3fbab]

For me VPN services shilled online are a bit like EVs. Full disclosure currently work in cyber security and worked in tech over 25 years. Not really the solution they are sold as. Sure there are some specific use cases where they might be useful but for Joe average it is kind of yeah - nah. This whole fixation on IP address seems misguided as it is not like you can reliably equate an IP to a GPS coordinate of any useful precision. However leaving location settings on can leak a high precision set of coordinates derived from multiple GNSS constellations that will get sent regardless of what your attempts to mask your true IP address are. The whole public WiFi thing is BS unless you are using protocols that don't use encryption already. They appear to have mostly gone by the wayside after Snowden. That said these companies do seem to keep the content creators lights on which in this channel's case is well worth it. I might buy an EV at some point but doesn't appear like all the boxes get ticket yet. VPN, is probably never.

[@aliendroneservices6621]

​​​@@vk3fbab Thanks for chiming in. The expert concensus on VPNs seems to be: 1. Occasionally useful (as you said), but should *_not_* be used *_all the time._* 2. There are recommendable VPNs for those occasions when one might be useful, but they are *_not_* widely advertised.

[@bluddyrowdy8757]

BYD is Coming... Will be typical chynese disaster = cheap and disposable bluddy Rubbish.....No happy-ending....

[@AndyJSThomson]

The minute any politician tells you something is good for you, you know it’s time to run…

[@exvictorian3605]

Fast

[@Ktmfan450]

I see the Libs and Nats getting behind nuclear

[@pantoqwerty]

Especially when they’re not eating their own dog food.

[@martinsoelby5902]

Hi I’m from the government I’m here to help you.

[@AndyJSThomson]

@@Ktmfan450 Aaaaah!, run very far away...

[@keithduce3796]

My Jeep Wrangler is 11 years old. 120,000 miles. Just passed it's MOT. Still running perfectly. I'm 73 yrs old. Can't afford a milk float, neither would I entertain one. My Jeep should last me until my memory fades for good. Then it can be totally recycled. Unlike me. !!

[@ScatManAust]

Even you can be recycled mate. Mankind is missing out on an untapped resource in natural fertilizers. Some could even be good for weed killers too with all the chemicals floating round their bodies at end of life.

[@jcfallows]

Who would want to drive an old wreck like that? Only an old wreck like you😂😂😂

[@DHW256]

The government push for EVs is a ruse for mass transit. And, ultimately, the drive to "Net Zero" will provoke a return to carbon-heavy energy sources because the poor will be otherwise left to die, and you know good people will not tolerate the avarice and disregard.

[@specialkonacid6574]

​@@jcfallowslacking in self awareness much?

[@domingodeanda233]

Keep on kicking ass man

[@cccmmm1234]

Forget the 150kW of a fast charger, a normal servo petrol pump transfers energy into your car at 30MW or about 200 times as fast. Today I did my weekly refueling. It took about 70 seconds, including paying. You really can't beat hydrocarbons for energy density.

[@Ktmfan450]

Too bad they're used in the most inefficient way possible

[@eivindhelle3985]

Yesterday I did my weekly charging of my EV. It took me 5 seconds to connect and 5 seconds to disconnect. And I didn't even have to move my car from the parking space outside my house.

[@countryjoe3551]

@@eivindhelle3985 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@S3XY-00]

They simply don’t know the facts. An electric motor In my model y is 95% efficient. Typical ICE is 25% that’s when new, and best theoretical is 30%. No comparison . That’s just motor efficiency. Than comes other benefits of electricity Being a universal energy and can be derived off at least 4 sources and can be truly sustainable (can you recycle petrol ? Ask yourself that question). If you want to know how inefficient petrol/diesel are, I bet no one thinks about it this way: Next time sitting in traffic please do gaze at the semi truck hauling ur diesel which was dug from underneath the ocean, I never came to think about it this way! They’re literally burning tons of fuel to simply DELIVER ur fuel to ur servo, I mean come on John .. of all your theories u never cared to think about this fact? And I can only imagine how long a truck lasts before u have to deliver another one. And while gazing be sure to close ur windows when doing a breathing exercise or ur meditation to taste the diesel that’s surely best aroma for ur lungs and is proven to be beneficial.😂 driving a diesel may be fun (is it?) but driving behind one is 🤮

[@Sonny_McMacsson]

@@S3XY-00 The efficiency bleat isn't a good argument, especially when they still get outperformed anyway.

[@jayjays3592]

I firmly believe that if there wasn't the Government incentive to lease EVs, there would be a lot less sale of them. The 5 EVs in my work car park are all leased, and one described it as middle class welfare

[@cybermatstrikes7557]

Leasing companies are learning. They are getting burnt on the depreciation and it's unclear what, if any second-hand EV markets look like. The fleet company I deal with is seeing very mixed results with Tesla after 3yr lease ownership. Batteries return in various conditions. Odometer reading doesn't tell you what the charge history looks like.

[@vk3fbab]

If you use that vehicle to load tech where you use your EV as a battery to run your home, what does that do to your cycle count and resale of the car. Low odometer but potentially lots more cell cycling. People need to start factoring cycle costs into their thinking. If battery costs 20k dollars and has 2000 cycles, that is 10 dollars of depreciation every time you have to charge it. This has to be a concern for the bean counters at the leasing and hiring companies.

[@adoreslaurel]

Hope they are not parked anywhere with a roof over them.

[@papalegba6796]

They're an actuary's nightmare 😂

[@DHW256]

Heck, it's upper middle-class, and wealthy welfare! And it's paid for by poor folks through tax deferment, carbon credits, compliance credits, and cost sharing to that gets passed on to consumers who can't afford EVs and/or don't participate in the "Net Zero" justified by the contextual fraud of "climate change".

[@cardboardboxification]

a 1900 EV has the same problem as a 2020 EV BATTERIES

[@eunu6928]

Not really. Cell size standardization and shipping&tax is main problems. Size, because is cheaper to build only 1 size and not 10-30size of individual model of car. My last info importing cells from china was 100+% shipping cost over price of cells

[@mellarner8253]

Yep still the same problems, plus much more toxic in manufacturing and end of life, especially if it burns prematurely.

[@eunu6928]

@@mellarner8253 end of life is recycling. Who is insane to dump without sell them ? A banal Acid battery is recycled and payed for it ~10% from initial price. Do you think 200kg+ of expensive minerals will be waisted? Litium 46$/kg Cobalt 28$/kg Nickel 20$/kg Cooper 9$/kg

[@eunu6928]

@@mellarner8253 end of life is recycling. Who is insane to dump without sell them ? A banal Acid battery is recycled and payed for it ~10% from initial price. Do you think 200kg+ of expensive minerals will be waisted? Litium 46$/kg Cobalt 28$/kg Nickel 20$/kg Cooper 9$/kg

[@peekaboo1575]

The difference is that now we have a bunch of socialist parasites trying to force us into EVs.

[@DrivingSander1970]

John , you;'re awesome! To me an EV is just another appliance. A ICE vehicle is a machine. As a petrol head I happen to like machines... Cheers form The Nehterlands.

[@President_NotSure]

everyone can learn from you how to keep the water out

[@Ktmfan450]

Good for you

[@tonyb3629]

A disposable appliance at that - just like a very large smartphone.

[@TroySavary]

A machine is a machine, regardless of the power source.

[@zorg534]

The sheer sadistic gusto with which he delivered the last lines made me giggle with joy. Getting my 🍿 ready for part deux!

[@peternagel-er7ly]

Over a recent beer with a buddy of mine I asked what the second hand EV market was like. Zero value was the answer. As he works in the industry I think I believe him. Zero means that his firm will not accept an EV as a trade in. That’s something worth investigating.

[@sahhull]

The EV dealers that sell them new, will not touch anything over 4 years old. Most bread n butter used car dealers will not touch them. 1 battery issue will put them out of business.

[@peternagel-er7ly]

@@sahhull I wonder Bowen the magnificent would say to this issue?

[@mindfreeze0838]

​@@sahhulland thats one of the reason insurance premiums have gone up globally. Writing off a ev because of one defect is an expensive proposition that isnt being absorbed by the industry.

[@christiandisch8147]

So go buy a second hand EV for next to nothing and profit from everyone being scared that the battery of a used EV will break down within 5 minutes of ownership.

[@peternagel-er7ly]

@@christiandisch8147 Perhaps there is a university course on economics that shows how buying a piece of crap that will likely break down, be way too expensive to insure and then cost an unknown amount to dispose of can be regarded as profitable. I think it’s available if you study gender politics and critical race theory.

[@michaelarcher6278]

Totally agree with you on this, electric car sales are supposed to be 22% of all sales in the UK this year according to our stupid government. They are actually around 15% and falling. No incentives offered in UK for last 4 years or so. I bought a brand new petrol car last year because I live in a park of England that has very few chargers and I have no suitable electric supply to charge an electric car if I was inclined to buy one (which I'm not) I regard electric cars as the clock work option as opposed to petrol being the real toy from when I was a kid 😂

[@mrg-ghx8052]

I'm not surprised you don't have a suitable electricity supply, living in a park 😂

[@Paul-b2s4j]

I would prefer the clockwork option!

[@S3XY-00]

I betcha, all these naysayers will convert the moment an ev is halfed in cost and charging more accessible to densely populated areas.

[@erroneouscode]

@@S3XY-00 A turd is still a turd even when the price is halved. Having more accessibility to charging still doesn't address other limitations of EVs

[@mohammadwasilliterate8037]

You live in UK and can't find a standard power point to charge your car, lol, are you a squatter?.... you must love the gas prices in the UK hahahaha,,,,,

[@ChrisGuiver]

You talk the perfect proportions of *facts* and *BS*.... Well Done, I love it.

[@aussiebloke609]

"For Australia, EVs are never going to be the preferred option." You're so right there, John. And that's why the evangelists and the heads of the Church of the EV are pushing for EVs to be mandated by governments - because they know they'll never gain significant market traction if people have a choice.

[@davidnobular9220]

Yeah...that will become a big problem. Or they legislate such that only certified businesses (those deemed by the Govt as needing hydrocarbons to maintain stable society) can legally use fuels. They will see it as win/win....the planet gets saved AND the WEFs 15 minute cities are a by product..... UN Agenda 2035 - hey, we did it by 2030 !!

[@AG-ig8uf]

I think you people project your own delusions on others. Government does support fossil fuel industry with huge subsidies. And absolute majority of EV owners don't have cultist tendencies, just trying to do right thing. If you look for cultists, look no further than IC car fans fetishizing over sports cars, trucks etc etc. Or moms dropping kid to school or buying bottle of milk while driving huge SUV or truck. Or so many families where every member other than pets own a car, turning suburbs into endless car parks. The list goes on and on. And don't get me started on environmental damage of fossil fuel extractions. The lack of self awareness among you is astonishing.

[@rtmpgt]

@@AG-ig8uf How can you be so dense. An EV doesn't fix any of these issues either. You just replace the auto industry and oil barons with the Electric car industry and the mining industry. If you _really_ want to fix this issue, you'll be advocating for improving urban density, abolishing single use zoning laws and allowing businesses to pop up in communities. When was the last time any of you popped down to the local corner deli to do a quick milk run? you have to go to woolies now, huh?

[@lynndonharnell422]

Ad posted: Bridge seeking painter for long term relationship. Must have endless supply of paint. Lol

[@gavinhenderson5862]

Regarding coal and LNG, you forgot to mention if we don't sell it someone else will. We're not the only supplier. So there's zero benefit to the world if we withhold our product. In fact, our hydrocarbons will be replaced by dirtier and more expensive alternatives.

[@Ktmfan450]

We can do both

[@mindfreeze0838]

​@@Ktmfan450if rainbows were wishes sure.

[@PaulHambleton-m9e]

That's the drug dealers' defence right there.

[@DiverJames]

Agree with everything you said. What if, and bear with me here, what if we develop a national nuclear fuel export business in parallel? Instead of just shipping out yellow cake to the French/UK/USA/etc, we actually process that stuff into a usable product? Value-add and all that good stuff? Then we could also use the same product locally and release our domestic reliance on fossil fuels and embrace (nuclear) electric utopia too!

[@mindfreeze0838]

​@@DiverJames​ maybe but forgive me, when I think nuclear cars i think Fallout 3 and the fun of getting into a firefight within sight of a derelict nuclear car and the mushroom cloud that would occur should the wayward bullet find its home near the bonnet😅. Nuclear has a hell of a PR mountain to climb thanks to Chernobyl, Fukushima and a generation raised on Captain Planet despite its benefits.

[@ismailnyeyusof3520]

John Codogan’s clearly a dyed in the wool, old school petrol head who is deeply in love with mechanical devices, in particular internal combustion engine cars. He’s deeply invested in automobiles and I’m sure he’s really good with the relevant technology and market from A to Z. He’s so good that he’s become the equivalent of Kodak in the old school photography industry, Nokia in the pre-smartphone industry and Toyota that has become the biggest player in the internal combustion engine automotive industry by being really, really good at it. The problem is that dinosaurs were also hugely successful and survived for aeons, until the very earth under their feet got changed beyond all recognition by a cataclysmic cosmic event. The age of cheap and easily extracted hydrocarbons is swiftly coming to an end at the same time as the technological innovation in the internal combustion engine is rapidly reaching the point of diminishing returns. It’s sad, I understand, I’m an old codger myself, a baby boomer but the arrow of time moves onwards to greater energy efficiency.

[@toriwatson9655]

I've always liked John's video's. He is obviously intelligent, but I agree with you, he is not reacting well to change, he's actually coming across as a more evangelical naysayer than most EV supporters. His summing up of battery tech in part two was woefully inaccurate. I love electronics and studied analogue and digital electronics at uni, battery technology is rapidly improving, mostly with CATL and BYD, I follow it closely and it is not experimental, improved batteries tech is rapidly rolled out and put into production in China. Tesla have gone to superior, cheaper & safer LFP tech, but in the US it is harder for them as rules against Chinese batteries apply. Energy densities climbing, longevity now longer than the rest of the car will last. CATL have started using 500 w/h per kg batteries in trucks recently. John knows way more than most about combustion engines, but I agree with you, the combustion engines days are numbered because battery tech is very good and getting better, and any engineer knows how much more efficient and reliable brushless electric motors are. I believe there is so much uneasiness about such a huge change, legacy auto have relied heavily on spare parts sales, regular maintenance etc. I'm getting old too, but it is so important not to get a closed mind to changes. The younger generation will embrace these changes. I've got too many bad memories pouring money into repairs of previous cars I've owned.

[@josephfilm73]

Relatives who design cars for a living and teach at design school. The ICE is not going away, but what is happening is the power train is diversifying. It will depend on the application. Hydrogen, ammonia, compressed air, propane, diesel, electric--they will all have their applications. No one method is perfect as they have various benefits and drawbacks. One thing often overlooked is that the ICE is a mature technology. The landscape has been covered. Not a lot can be done that hasn't. 20-30mpg is what you're going to get in a mid-sized vehicle. Battery technology however has a much wider potential for breakthroughs as it is an emergent technology. Solid state, sodium ion, etc. all are where the model T was a century ago. The room for improvement is vast.

[@davedrake5769]

Truth hurts.​@@toriwatson9655

[@matthewsainsbury681]

Electric Viking not going to like these facts 😂😂😂

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

Don't worry. I've watched a lot of his material. The Electric Viking is immune to facts and/or research.

[@awolffromamongus875]

That guys a twat. Facts don't matter and pleads for money like happy clappy stadium pastor (personal opinion).

[@JamesSmith-qs4hx]

Electric Karen more like..

[@SpencerHHO]

He's not even a charlatan, he's just an idiot.

[@markuc]

Viking is far more intelligent and fact based than this geezer that speaks to emotions and fear

[@johnb5410]

There should be more talk about conservation. It works like this; you buy something, and then try to keep it running for a long time with careful maintenance. This contrasts to most stuff these days that needs a battery and becomes disposable junk after five years (including your Ora Yung Ding EV, I suspect).

[@JAMESWUERTELE]

I’m glad to see people where I live are doing just this, also rebuilding cars and trucks 25+ years old.

[@aaronsinspirationdaily4896]

I’d be ok with that if my ICE maintenance costs were 10% of what they are now. Note: cost = time and money

[@grahammcgrath6453]

Well done JC. As usual extremely well researched and I’m sure the “electric Viking” will hate the facts being highlighted.

[@suttonelms1]

I love the way you express it all. Keep up the good work.

[@DavidBrand-y3w]

I love listening to Johnny baffle us all with science. Can’t argue with facts

[@christiandisch8147]

Some aspects could have been discussed a bit more in depth though. For instance most EVs currently on sale are of the "very expensive" variety, because that's the type of EV that most manufacturerers threw on the market first. The people that could afford such cars have them by now. This also contributed to the decreased sales figures of recent months. As soon as we see more affordable EVs enter the market, especially from known brands, sales will most likely pick up again.

[@anvilsvs]

Of course you can argue with facts. Politicians and other lawyers do that all the time.

[@TufferImages]

Hey John, I'd like to see yourself and youtuber MGuy team up on a podcast. Would make for a very interesting discussion.

[@pantoqwerty]

They did an Ioniq 5 N drive recently.

[@brittenmusic6923]

Just going out to charge my EV, by the time it’s ready Chapter 2 should be up. 😂😂😂

[@marklittle3551]

Back in 1971 Dad and I went to see the all new HQ Holden range at CV Holland Holden of Rockdale. Full model range on ramps and lifted on a tilt etc. It was real big deal.

[@tonydeeble6959]

I identify as an HQ holden😀

[@mikeholling8830]

You must have a bad memory as well.🤔

[@Parawingdelta2]

Were you the blue one I drove from Sydney to Perth in 1976?

[@MrChaza001]

I’m sorry!

[@Johnsmith-zi9pu]

Good for you! I identify as a one legged, black, homosexual, divorced, marriage councilor and my pronoun is sprinter.

[@Ktmfan450]

Stay still while I take your tires off

[@andrewf3346]

Net Zero, that's the value of an EV when it's 10 years old and the battery needs replacing or when it has an accident that damages the battery.

[@thx1138guy]

The need to replace EV batteries after 10 years is overblown. Accidents that damage the battery are (and might always will be) an issue until autonomous vehicles that communicate with each other become a reality. It will happen (someday). But Tesla won't be the company that produces them. Elon lacks the 'vision' to make it happen.

[@mellarner8253]

AI, about as reliable and intelligent as those that think it is the future.

[@dog_guy-c8x]

@@mellarner8253 Agree I personaly think AI is very dangerus and should not be persued at all. Yes there is good but I see many more bad things that will happen.

[@mellarner8253]

@@dog_guy-c8x The IT manager at a multi national company I recently retired from after 12 years as a project engineer stated that we should use AI with caution and treat it as only an office junior. Bit like a teenager who thinks they know everything, but the older you get of course, you realise that never was true.

[@dog_guy-c8x]

@@mellarner8253 It just scares me when the criminals get there hands on it and that my dear friend will happen regaudless what you say

[@scottwarner1017]

It's nice to hear somebody tell the truth about EV's. They are rubbish.

[@jakefriesenjake]

1. Kid battery mineral labor 2. Some people get extreme range anxiety 3. Much higher risk of garage fires.... 4. Paying $15k to $20k more than a comparable vehicle.. 5. every time you fuel up an EV, the fuel tank gets smaller and smaller. Battery degeneration. 6. Poor resale value. The porsche Taycan turbo S model Ev, loses over $100,000 dollars in value, in just 4 years time. That's $100k!, or $25k per year. A Nissan leaf Ev loses over half its value in 2.5 years. Here's a little joke ; how do you double the value of an Ev, when you go to sell it?.... Answer; you leave a $1 coin in the glove box. 7. Much reduced performance from the battery in the cold, on the highway. 8. Higher repair costs, where many, many mechanics refuse to work on them or aren't trained to do so. 9. Awful charging network experiences in the weather, without restrooms. 10. Higher insurance rates. The UK is a great example. 11. Replacing tires more frequently. Michelin states that tires wear out 20% faster on an Ev, and could be as high as 50% faster! Ev tires made for ev's, cost 20 to 30% more, than regular tires for ice cars. As Ev tires wear out, they leave behind more tiny particles of rubber than normal ice cars. This causes more pollution. 12. Death by autopilot, if you use it in cars that have that feature. 13. $15k - $35k battery 14. Low km range per tank of energy. 15. Sometimes, you must wait in-line 1-2 hrs to charge. 16. Then wait more time to charge, while charging. 17. Spontaneous combustion, with no way to put out the fire storm. 18. If they catch fire in a tunnel, many people will die. 19. People without a pro charger system or a parking spot at their house, will run an extension cord to the road, which is dangerous and could lead to people tampering with your charging setup (super slow charging at the road). Currently illegal to run an extension cord to the street in most places. 20. If you're in California, you won't be able to charge your car past 4pm because of a shortage of electricity supply on the cheesy grid. 21. It is not actually "green". The pollution is made at the power station, and during the manufacturing process, not the car. In advance of the Cop26 climate conference in Glasgow in 2021, Volvo released figures claiming that greenhouse gas emissions during production of an electric car are nearly 70% higher than when manufacturing a petrol one. 22. Only 5% of used junk batteries get recycled, the rest go directly into the bin. It's cheaper to mine for new minerals. 23. Chhinna actually does 70% of all the refining of the minerals and production of the batteries. 24. Minerals are becoming more and more scarce, and the cost will only go up, not down. 25. Some countries where they mine for lithium, actually use a very big boat load of fresh water to only produce 1 ton of lithium, so they are afraid of running out of water. It takes over 2 million liters of fresh clean water to produce 1 ton of lithium.

[@jakefriesenjake]

Here's more ; 26. Ev cars will soon not be able to drive in tunnels or be able to park in underground parking garage and probably will eventually void your house insurance if you park it in your personal garage... 27. It is very hard to charge your battery at super stations when it is bitter cold out. Look to Chicago news for this situation. 28. If a fire truck comes to put out an Ev fire, all the chemicals go directly into the sewer or storm drain system, poisoning everything. They need tons of water to slow down the burn. They can't actually put the fires out, they are only trying to prevent other things near by from catching fire. 29. Ok, there are 2 good things; regenerative braking, which charges the battery while you are slowing down on the highway, which saves your brakes from much wear. It has come to my attention that some people set up their regen system for maximum regen while taking their foot off the accelerator pedal, and not "coasting". For best mpg, you must coast more. You need to "hyper mill" for best mpg. If regen is set too high, passengers will end up puking. This happens because the car is too quiet and accelerating and slowing down to fast. 30. Loss of fuel tax revenue, so now the roads will only get worse, not better, but... The state of new Jersey will have a new annual road tax for Ev buyers, starting July 1st, 2024. The fee starts at $250 in July and will increase by $10 until 2028, when it reaches $290. EV buyers in the state will also have to pay four years of registration fees upfront, making it significantly more expensive to purchase a new electric model. Other states also have their own way of collecting money. 31. in Dublin, huge diesel generators are being used to charge EV buses, due to electrical grid strain. buses in Athlone also cannot be put on charge until midnight, for the same reason. Bus Éireann is saying that they can't charge their buses until 11pm for the same reason, and to avail of a lower tariff. 32. Not everyone on earth even has electricity to charge their cars. What are they supposed to do in 2035? It's easy to get a bucket of fuel to power up a regular car. 33. VCE, or "vapour cloud explosion" is very bad. If any battery, typically anything larger than an E-scooter battery, and especially only "half" charged. If a problem occurs in the cells, it might not catch on fire right away. Instead, a cloud appears, and then may be ignited a short period afterwards. There are 2 different types of vapour clouds that appear; heavier and lighter than air, which form will be dominate, can not be predicted yet. This produces a bomm. 34. For Ev transport trucks, they aren't allowed to carry the same payload as a diesel truck, because of the massive weight of the battery. The owner of the Ev truck therefore loses potential profit, every day. They also lose more profit for the waiting times for charging that Ev truck. The driver will get paid to charge the truck, which in turn forces the owner of the truck to lose more money. 35. Ev cars are more likely to be written off, if they experience a minor collision. After the collision, something could have upset the structural integrity of the battery. 36. Ev cars lie to you. If you are bold enough to go out on a decent road trip and its 210 miles, one way, and your Ev tells you that your battery will last you 223 miles, there had better be no hills, or excessively cold out.... You'll probably get stranded, trying to get to the charger, at the end of the trip. Ev's have left many families stranded already. 37. Ev's and their batteries, will soon need their very own "passport". With all info about them when born, and current info about them (power output, resistance, mineral composition, etc.) 38. Thieves stealing charging cables, will soon make it impossible to "fuel" an Ev car. They take a long time to replace the cables, just to have them cut again for scrap money. 39. Cars were typically being made lighter and lighter using aluminum and or fiberglass and or carbon fiber, to reduce emissions and pollution. Ev's are only getting heavier and heavier, causing more pollution than ever. Remember, an ev's pollution is made at the power station and the dump, not at the actual Ev, except for the tire particles as mentioned above. 40. More on spontaneous combustion of the battery. What if you had 3 children strapped into car seats, in the back seat, which kid do you rescue? More fires start so fast, there is hardly any time for even the driver to escape, let alone 3 kids strapped in. 41. There must be a reason that Boeing 787's aren't battery powered.... Until jets are battery powered, I'll be sticking to fossil fuels for my mode of transportation. 42. Can't bring an Ev up north in the woods, nor any battery powered chain saws, where there are no grids to charge them up. You would need a huge amount of solar panels to get you anywhere. 43. Even Mr. Bean, (Rowan Atkinson) says; "I love electric vehicles - and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped". "When you start to drill into the facts, electric motoring doesn’t seem to be quite the environmental panaceaa it is claimed to be." "It seems a perverse choice of hardware with which to lead the automobile’s fight against the climate crisis." Mr. Bean (Rowan Atkinson) is a smart man. 44. There isn't a used market for ev's. How are teenagers going to buy and insure a $50K Ev... (take your pick: either $50,000 new or a $20000 used EV that needs a $20K battery replacement in a few years)?? A teenager can buy a used $1k ice car and be set up for 5 years, no problem. 45. Even if large transport trucking companies have a service where they could just swap out their pouch batteries for a freshly charged battery, the lifespan of the battery would be greatly reduced to maybe a couple of years. Recharging a huge battery 3 or 4 times per day would really hurt the battery in short order. 46. If an Ev car goes up in flames on a huge cargo ship, the whole cargo ship sinks. Happened many times already. 47. Many many people claim that driving in an Ev makes them, their family and their dogs sick. Motion sickness. 48. With the extended charge times in the public, there is a much greater chance of getting mugged or car jacked. In a tesla, if you see a criminal gang heading right towards you to mug you and steal your tesla, you can't just drive off. You must go outside, disconnect the charger, go back inside your tesla, turn it on, put it into drive mode, and then attempt to flee the muggers, with the little time you still have remaining. In a regular petrol car, all you must do is put it in drive or 1st gear, and flea the situation. The fuel pump hoses have nice quick-disconnect couplings that pull apart when you go to attempt to flee criminals. This saves much time, your car, and potentially your invaluable life! 49. When your Ev is at 10% Battery left, and you head out to find a public fast charger bank of 10 fast chargers, and they are all full, and ok, some aren't working, and there is a line up of another 10 cars in front of the fast charger bank, you might not be garenteed that once you actually have access to a "fast" charger, that it will actually be capable of "fast" charging. You see, there is only so much power alloted to a full bank of "fast" chargers. You will get fast charging for maybe 5 or 6 chargers being used at a bank of 10, but connect 7 or 8 or 9 or 10 ev's to that bank of 10, the bank as a whole will throttle charging power output to all cars, so as to not fry all the wiring of the bank or blow the fuse or breaker. With 10 cars charging at that bank of fast chargers, it will become a bank of "slow" chargers. I would have of thought that this would be designed into a fast charging bank. Some charging stations might not throttle you down. 50. BMW i5 Ev cars and some similar models of BMW protect their battery life. If you DC "fast" charge to many times, a message pops up saying that you must wait 2 days to "fast DC charge" again. This protects your battery. Some say that you can DC fast charge, but at a reduced rate, and some say that the alarm resets once you ac charge 1 time. 51. With the promise of "better, cheaper battery technology", many people are waiting for that technology to arrive... (allegedly). That is pushing down the price of current Ev sales. This also pushes down price of the used Ev market. When Tesla continually cut down the price of new ev's, to artificially stoke demand, it also pushes down the price of all used ev's as well. 52. Right now, the cost of throwing out or recycling your Ev Battery is $zero. One day, I'll imagine that there will be a heavy fee to get rid of your battery (allegedly). *not all of these points affect every Ev, or Ev driver, or every Ev charging station or bank* There's this Ev van company called "Arrival", in the UK. It's been around for 10 years or so. It was worth around $13 billion just 2 years ago.... They didn't sell a single unit, and are now bankrupt. Hertz rental car company backed out of a huge tesla Ev purchase of 100,000 ev's. Soon after, Hertz backed out of a huge purchase of 65,000 Chinese Polestar ev's. They did that because ev's cost to much to own, and too much to operate. The CEO of Hertz, Stephen Scherr, is stepping down from his position late March, 2024. He blamed EVs for the Loss of revenue. The cars were more expensive to maintain than Hertz had initially thought, and the company couldn’t make as much money selling them, when it needed to refresh its offerings.

[@hereticalinfidelical]

Nice fossil fuel talking points

[@mindfreeze0838]

​@@hereticalinfidelicalor rational points made with hard data other than the fairy tales electric jesus tells the faithful all day.

[@hereticalinfidelical]

​@@mindfreeze0838 nope

[@shanemcguire3953]

Thanks John on behalf of Toyota ,Mazda & Subaru.Waiting in anticipation of part 2

[@aussietaipan8700]

I've always had 2 cars, last year I traded one of my ICE cars for a model S, this is a very low km at a very good price. It makes perfect sense for me as I charge it with my 14KW solar array. I use it for all short to medium trips and it's awesome. But I love my trusty old Jeep Grand Cherokee, this is used for longer runs (over 300km) and for towing. I live in both worlds.

[@robertkubrick3738]

Tell everyone how many panels in a 14kw solar array at a roughly real world 300W per panel for the most expensive panels available, something like 44 panels.

[@aaronsinspirationdaily4896]

@@robertkubrick3738that would be worth discussing if the solar panels weren’t also powering the entire house.

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@aaronsinspirationdaily4896 No. it is worth discussing because it's a massive and expensive installation. Also they are about to start charging for excess solar power pushed back into the grid in Australia. Literally you would have to pay for excess power generated on your own roof.

[@aaronsinspirationdaily4896]

@@robertkubrick3738 ​​⁠I do agree that is a weird policy decision. I can see why it makes sense in some regards. Right now it is a truly tiny amount and only in one state (NSW right? I’m sure others will follow suit). Ironically, charging us for extra export actually pushes us towards using and storing more of it ourselves. Think batteries, batteries-on-wheels (EV’s with bidirectional charging in most states within 2-5 years will be standard) and Virtual Power Plants / community batteries. When you look at the dramatically dropping price and technology development of batteries and solar, anything based on fossil fuels for the domestic market is headed to be expensive, obsolete and niche use cases. I think this will be a great thing for ICE. We can truly have them just as exotic fun machines. I look forward to visiting this channel in a few years when they’ve completely changed their monetisation to suck on the electric teet of $$$$’s. Make no mistake, they will go exactly where the money is. Thinking EV’s getting cheaper and discounted isn’t predicted is a fundamental misunderstanding of how the learning curve works. “EV’s are not the future” 😂 So much of what this guy says doesn’t understand the bigger picture or the rate of acceleration. It doesn’t matter, it will happen regardless of what old mate here says.

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@aaronsinspirationdaily4896 Using people's cars to power the house (some even suggest stabilizing the grid with people's cars). The extra wear and tear on your Battery car's battery would be a disaster. Not to mention the inefficiency. The car doesn't use house current which must be transformed and rectified with resulting losses to 400V DC or whatever the car uses, so the power from the car to the house will have to be stepped down and inverted from DC to AC with resulting losses. 2X the losses plus extra wear and tear on the battery cells. Since manufacturers warranty on the battery is by miles, it probably also voids your battery pack warranty. Where are you going to come out ahead at that point?

[@lesliecarter4295]

EV is like 3d television and will go the same way ?

[@peterstaggs1956]

Oh yes . What a good example of a thought bubble.

[@tendaimoodley5889]

Laser disk versus Blu-ray

[@mohammadwasilliterate8037]

Tesla Model-Y was the best selling car around the world 2023, the Tesla CYBER TRUCK is the most ordered car EVER with 2.2 million orders, over 15% of all new cars sold 2023 were EV, Norway around 90% new cars were EV, Germany over 30%, China second largest car market at 50% new cars were EV.

[@pantoqwerty]

@@mohammadwasilliterate8037 Norway’s EV sales stats are caused by a twin pronged attack using subsidies for EVs and penalties for ICE cars. Ironically the subsidies would be funded by their huge hydrocarbon wealth. China would simply dictate what people are allowed to buy. Let’s see how those “best selling” lists go sans subsidy.

[@jamesdanton9033]

I miss my 3D TV. I still have dozens of discs.

[@kippen64]

There is no EV that can do what my Ford Falcon station wagon can do. Plus my car has the major bonus of being fully owned by me. I do ride my bicycle to work. That's for fun, fitness and avoiding public transport.

[@woodliceworm4565]

same

[@lesleypaterson1463]

Superb, if it's on LPG, it runs very clean and over a lifetime would emit fewer emissions than a lard arsed EV. I miss my LPG powered car, $30 to $40 to fill.

[@kippen64]

@@lesleypaterson1463 It's on LPG. Have had the car for nearly eight years and have driven a lot of kilometres. A reliable, useful car. Being yellow and an ex-taxi, it does stick out.

[@woodliceworm4565]

@@lesleypaterson1463 I had CNG-powered multi fuel cars for over 16 years it is an option to reduce pollution, oil imports and cost - not sure how that would go with direct injection still it's an alternative towards net zero BS.

[@daman7129]

Falcon wagons are awesome! I do love my current bf xr6 falcon though, and the zf 6 speed is brilliant! Evs are hopeless next to a real life practical and fun falcon😁.

[@dougmcewan1825]

Love my EV! Charged off excess solar from the house. Running cost is only tyres, brakes and minimum service..about 1% $ of ICE car. Perfect for our use. (not suitable for everybody) Note: I also love my supercharged 6l V8 Calais :)

[@patriot388]

China, with over 1200 coal fired power stations and building more, are laughing at Blackout Bowen and the minister for Qantas, King! 😂😂😂

[@cccmmm1234]

An EV is like a new hobby, religion or a special needs child. You have to redesign your life around its needs. If you just want transport, then go with ICE.

[@KA9DSL]

You couldn't have said it better.

[@hereticalinfidelical]

You havent a clue

[@ToolHombre]

As a non-hypocritical EV owner you are correct. I have to ask other driver in the household: "I saw you went to the store; did you go far? Is there range left on the car? Oh it has to charge? Okay, I'll take the Ram 3500 Diesel. Since the car has to charge." You can't just turn around and drive the EV if the EV already drove too far that day. If it was a Jetta Diesel we'd probably save more because I wouldn't sub in the 4 tonne truck when the range is depleted on the EV.

[@mohammadwasilliterate8037]

You mean plugging your car into the garage is a life style change rather than going to a gas station to pay 4x more, if you have solar you charge an EV free.

[@dog_guy-c8x]

@@mohammadwasilliterate8037 Like every thing else once they the energy companys get you hooked up up and a way the prises will go so dont stand on that bull shit.

[@LordandGodofYouTube]

A couple of my friends have purchased PHEVs (Outlanders) recently and are really happy, full electric was too expensive and inconvenient to own.

[@pantoqwerty]

It’ll be interesting to see how that market goes and how the batteries hold up. I suspect the more propulsion work you put them to (PHEV vs hybrid) the shorter the life, and at the end of the day buying one second hand involves taking on something with an unknown state of health and much more finite lifespan than an ICE. I’d like to see better ICE cars out there, especially in Australia. Drove a 3 pot twin turbo petrol overseas and not only was it a little pocket rocket but it sipped fuel.

[@davidbarnsley8486]

Phev are a good option

[@LordandGodofYouTube]

@@davidbarnsley8486 they are. My friends drive to work and back in just electric each day, plug it in at home and charge on off-peak and it's very cheap to run, but they can go anywhere without having to plan out a trip, like you do with an EV.

[@OTPulse]

​@@davidbarnsley8486phev are the worst option. Unnecessary complexity with far more points of failure. Get the worst of both.

[@Tom-dt4ic]

Hybrids suck. EV's are so much better, simpler, and often less expensive.

[@michaelrexrode3759]

When electricity became ready for adoption into the average household there was little or no need to proselytize its introduction. It was self evidently a worthy improvement. Every time a householder saw an electric light they instantly wanted one.

[@matthewgruba8040]

LOL, that taunt at the end was gold.

[@anomamos9095]

Funny fact. The reason SUVs and 4*4 utes and such became so popular is not because people actually wanted them but because of the unintended consequences of government taxation policies both in the USA and Australia. Vehicles that the majority of people didn’t look at before suddenly became very attractive because they were often exempted from extra taxes and or requirements that drove up the prices out of the budget for most people. In some cases you could buy a fully loaded suv with a bigger engine etc for less than a poverty spec econobox. This funny fact is also why VSMs are an utter failure. If they actually had to compete on equal terms with regular vehicles they would either never have been an option or they would be designed to fulfil a specific role and do it better than an ice vehicle could and the batteries would be as readily swappable as the ones in a child’s toy.

[@guser7137]

I fail to see how it is funny.

[@anomamos9095]

@@guser7137 then you probably work for the government.

[@peekaboo1575]

That's also why new trucks are crazy expensive and as large as an aircraft carrier.

[@subwayfacemelt4325]

...and Rap music videos.

[@sreach93]

Imagine if all the road going vehicles in the world from 1900 on were EVs. Because they needed recharging off the power grid which to "them" added to climate change. Then an engineer develops an internal combustion engine to replace EVs to combat climate change. They'd be all over it like a fat kid in a donut shop.

[@paulhall9713]

Yeah and banging on about poisonous lithium and cobalt and such.

[@darylcheshire1618]

Imagine, you have to store inflammable fuel in suburban locations

[@pete_lind]

They were electric , watch Jay Leno garage, they were marketed to ladies, it was basically electrified horse carriage. If we start thinking differently and dont build every car to go 300 km/h and zero to 100 in 2 sec, for what do need that, people mainly commute to job , drive 15 000 km a yeah, average speed being 50 km/h , your electric car top speed being 80 km/h is enough , that means less power needed, that you do with 20-30 kW motor , no need to have 500 kW motor. Cars are parked 95% of the time , you can charge with wind and solar, you could have in built wind turbine that pop up every time car is parked.

[@hereticalinfidelical]

Nope

[@JAMESWUERTELE]

@@darylcheshire1618batteries? The ones that burn the whole house down? Doesn’t matter if it’s plugged in or not? Highly flammable, not inflammable.

[@menguardingtheirownwallets6791]

A lot of EV chargers in my city are out-of-order (they don't work). So the only way you can live with an EV is if you charge at home and don't drive any more than what that home charge will give you. But I live in Canada and in Canada everything is so far apart, and in winter we get -30C temperatures where batteries lose half of their capacity. So unless you live in a big city and seldom drive outside of the city, EVs are not right for Canadians. However, a plug-in hybrid is okay. The huge extra cost you pay to buy one is so large that you will never save enough on fuel to pay back the extra costs, but if you want an EV in Canada then a plug-in hybrid (like the RAV4 Prime, or the Prius Prime) is what you want.

[@iampennochio]

Electric Jesus disapproves of this message.

[@yggdrasil9039]

But he will still publish it

[@mindfreeze0838]

​@@yggdrasil9039dont be too sure about that as Don Lemon proved, the man doesnt like to be criticised to his face. If John said even a quarter of what he said in his last video to his face he would have set a new record for shortest interview length with Electric Jesus.

[@nigelliam153]

I’d disagree, the interviews I’ve seen with EJ he states we don’t have the resources to convert to 100% ev by 2050. He states oil is finite so the more evs now the longer the oil will last for ice. And he states for a product to improve and be developed it needs to be in service. For me personally ev is not an option, maybe a hybrid in the future when they stop catching fire, but for some inner city dwellers who do low km they’re fine.

[@yggdrasil9039]

@@nigelliam153 that was when EV batteries needed nickel. Now they don't. LFP batteries are based on plentiful resources.

[@yggdrasil9039]

@@nigelliam153 Toyota hybrids don't catch fire. There have been a few older BYD PHEVs catching fire in China but those were early designs with the battery in the cabin and poor battery cooling.

[@dingbatt]

I didn’t buy an EV to save money or the planet (it won’t do either). I bought it because I like driving it. Quiet and smooth.

[@MattBrownbill]

I saw for the first time an EV being pushed by 5 people to a charging point yesterday.

[@theairstig9164]

How embarrassment

[@lastguy8613]

I've helped people push there car the last 100 metres to a gas station plenty of times, what's your point?

[@MattBrownbill]

@@lastguy8613 fair question. It took 5 people to push it, as it was so heavy.

[@lastguy8613]

@@MattBrownbill It was probably trying to regen it's batteries when being pushed lol Good that people helped out all the same

[@1zanglang]

Even if I saw it on internet, before, last week I saw for the first time, in real life, in a motorway parking, a Tesla connected to a Honda 2000w generator... The owner, looking like a nowadays snobbish hipster was sitting in his electric carriage and stared at his phone. He seemed very relaxed and proud...

[@maxbrazel604]

Well spoken their John Cadogan, as this has been known for many many years, and i am very glad and happy for this kind of recap, well spoken and a job well done 👍😎👍

[@chriswalker499]

EV's have their place BUT only for specific use cases. They are NOT the panacea for every use case. They are good for the second family car that the main driver works from home does the run to the school and the shops or a known distance and down time.

[@pantoqwerty]

Given that use case, the initial financial cost of the vehicle and the carbon cost of manufacture, does an EV even make sense as a second car over a similarly sized ICE? I think they need to reach cost parity at least.

[@Ktmfan450]

Fuck that Public transport needs to be invested in heavily

[@erroneouscode]

@@Ktmfan450 The upper echelon of society and particularly those known and vulnerable will not use public transport. They will not mix with the great unwashed on public transport and haven't done so since they removed first and second class carriages from ordinary commuter trains many moons ago. They will have their multi hundred of thousand dollar gas guzzlers and car collections and live in penthouses and mansions etc in and around the city. That's why they have never outright banned ICE vehicles in city centres. Public transport does need to be upgraded in a lot of locations but never as a forced alternative to personal transport by those introducing laws and mandates for thee, but not for me.

[@DHW256]

In order to offset the cost of purchasing a fully effective EV, I'd have to drive it for 645,000 miles compared to my new full-size pickup. Even if I drove the car every day, it would take 30 years to meet that benefit and, statistically, the car won't be around in 30 years.

[@HarryBaalzach]

The obvious solution is a plug in hybrid. It does the commutes with no tailpipe emissions and is also good for longer runs on liquid fuel. All purpose vehicles, only downside is excess weight but still better over its lifetime than 2 separate vehicles.

[@alexandrustefanmiron7723]

I'm still amazed by how much better is diesel/gas vs li batteries. Irrespective of how ineficient ice engine are, you have so much in such a small volume/little mass. Amazing!

[@MrButtonpresser]

My gravestone is going to state “….and he never owned an EV”. There’ll also be a faint scent of 91 ULP in the ground.

[@rolly4x4]

Same, but diesel instead 👍

[@kallekas8551]

Same…but 98 ron.😂

[@aaronsinspirationdaily4896]

I’m sorry to hear you only have a decade or less to live.

[@kallekas8551]

@@aaronsinspirationdaily4896 EVangelist angels pushing up the daisies.

[@aaronsinspirationdaily4896]

@@kallekas8551 hold onto that ICE brother. It will be a museum curiosity one day. We’ll need volunteers to tell young people about them.

[@toriwatson9655]

Hi John, big fan of your channel. I'm a DIY guy like you, love welding, building stuff in my shed, service my car myself as much as I can, fix everything I can myself. Some of your videos have helped me a lot. I have built an electric Motorcycle (road legal), and some e-bikes. My viewpoint on EV's has nothing to do with greenhouse gases, climate change etc, I look at them from an engineering point of view and tight arse point of view. I don't agree with a lot of what you are saying, 3 phase brushless motors are infinitely more efficient, long lasting and require barely any maintenance. Combustion engines have been needed for portable applications when a reliable electric supply is not available. We don't use them in washing machines, vacuum cleaners, angle grinders etc. Battery technology has already improved to the point where they will outlive the vehicle, and improving everyday. Chinese LFP batteries are not only safer but are getting a million km's in Chinese taxis ( I follow battery development closely). Even ternary batteries are getting 500,000 to 700,000 km's in Teslas. I believe EV's will almost certainly eventually totally take over, whether it takes 20 years, 30 year or 40 years I don't know? People will vote with their wallets, the reliability, lack of maintenance needed is already proving itself in EV's, and they will quickly get cheaper and better. Because of the longevity of the motors and battery packs, I love it that people like you are looking at build quality of EV brands. Why have a million KM motor and battery if the rest of the car falls apart at 200,000 km. I for one will never miss working on my ice car, it is messy and just pisses me off. I'll buy a used EV and will never let them service it. Not paying $200 for them to top up the wiper fluid. I'm sorry to disagree with you but when you have worked with brushless 3 phase motors like I have, you quickly find it hard to see anyway they won't take over. When the stator doesn't even touch the rotor, and the advantages in power, longevity, efficiency and lack of maintenance are just an order of magnitude better than ice motors. Unless big oil, and massive tariffs artificially interfere, the combustion engine with its huge number of moving parts, fluids, gaskets, maintenance etc will almost certainly be taken over. It was just the lack of battery technology delaying the inevitable until now.

[@mickreading4692]

Love your work hit the nail on the head👍👍👍

[@whitepixels]

John, I would love you to do a video on one of the main problems of the current design of public EV charging stations, which many have not yet considered... You pull up at a public charging station with your future EV ute with a trailer or caravan attached. The charging cable won't reach, since you have to back in, so you have to detach and park the trailer (if you can find a spot) or will you need an extension cable? At least with petrol pumps, this is not a problem. :)

[@paulgraham5790]

The fact that you would have to cover an area the size of Victoria with solar panels to supply the energy required to electrify the entire of Australia's transport with renewables is a bit of a barrier.

[@alanhilder1883]

Well nothing else is going on there... ( as someone from NSW, but only joking ;-) )

[@GlowingTube]

Read the RethinkX report on Energy first.

[@mickjoebills]

Nonsense. Musk says to power all of USA requires 100sq miles.

[@paulgraham5790]

@@mickjoebills I done the math allowing for a few rainy days. I don't care what Musk says.

[@slimjim2952]

All I can say is you are legend John! Thanks for keeping it real

[@marktanska6331]

Let all of us cross our hands and kneel down in gratitude for the dollars that come from coal and gas exports

[@Ktmfan450]

We hardly get any after all the tax rebates get handed out

[@I-have-a-brain_and-use-it]

Agree that very few pay any tax at all but all pay royalties Without them the GST in Aust would need to be around 25% For as long as I can remember I have been a fan of total turn over tax or the government being a mandatory 50% stake holder in every business so tax can not be avoided .

[@marktanska6331]

@@Ktmfan450 Just saw a report in the paper 1/5/24 Business pay record tax, tax take up 14.5 billion in a year

[@marktanska6331]

@@I-have-a-brain_and-use-it see my reply to fan450

[@Ktmfan450]

@@marktanska6331 I didn't say that it wasn't any

[@chrisdixon4137]

Couldn’t agree more, EV’s the solution that doesn’t work, love your work John 👍

[@xpusostomos]

If you're the harbour bridge, everybody rides you, j just like a bus route.

[@nigelliam153]

Does it make you a hooker because of the toll fee😂

[@BlueMonk25]

😂😂😂 "Minister for Qantas"😂😂 Perfect mate...right on.

[@MultiMenvafan]

Imagine being an auto expert in the age of EVs. It must suck to become obsolete

[@Johnk1710]

Can you please send this video to Albo & Bowen.

[@evil17]

They would not have the capacity to understand what any of this means.

[@jjolla6391]

great vid - recommend you add bullet points on the LHS, adding each as you talk about them - each one is a home run and every way they can impress on people is a bonus.

[@janstafford1490]

. . . . And the ee vangelists probably don’t take into account that the mining, the shipment both land and sea is done using energy provided by fossil phew el

[@TroySavary]

As opposed to ICE, which grow on trees and are delivered by the stork.

[@philipmaxwell669]

I don’t know , never say never . Technology has a habit of surprising .

[@bigal878]

I’ll keep rolling coal in my modified Holden VF LS3 6.2 litre Commodore. Plus…. It sounds mint like a V8 should 👌

[@Ktmfan450]

An LS3 shouldn't roll coal I think your injectors may be shot

[@bigal878]

@@Ktmfan450 it doesn’t blow any smoke, I was just trying to get some bites from our EV friends lol…. But it sounds tough and cammy as a V8 should

[@Ktmfan450]

@@bigal878 All modified Holdens blow smoke lol

[@harryworth8527]

To quote a gent I worked with; "I reject your reality and substitute my own." At least that's what the EV evangelists would say. The smoke and mirrors being used by government and interest groups such as the Climate Council are evading reality and trying to make the general public feel guilt over the vehicle they drive and need for every day life. Love your work, keep it up.

[@ozimarco]

I simply enjoy driving my MG4 and don't care about all the haters. I also own an MU-X for the heavy stuff. Both vehicles have their place.

[@georgegently3026]

Are you in the UK ? Mg 4s can be had for 8 k less than rrp here. Non go for book price, they are all heavily discounted. Some have been on four courts for 6 months. I'm not going to buy a car that loses 10k in a year, which they currently do. I never pay more than 10k for a second hand diesel, ever.

[@ozimarco]

@@georgegently3026 I'm in Australia. Prices have come down on new MG4s so this is going to affect the resale value.

[@bentullett6068]

There is a clip from the 1970's fantastic 4 cartoon doing its rounds on KZbin at the moment where Magneto pulls up to a gas station in his car thing and does a full EV Karen style rant on the fuel attendant.

[@timh6845]

The problem is the focus is too much on the “E” and not enough on the “V”. Electric bikes & scooters weighing 20-40kg meet the transport needs of most people in urban areas far more than a two tonne Tesla

[@guringai]

Far better than a 2 ton 4WD too

[@pantoqwerty]

….and a push bike meets them better than an electric bike if they’re not a lazy bastard.

[@guringai]

@@pantoqwerty . It's fair enough if old bastards, bastards sporting old injuries, people living or working in hilly areas, or anyone really ride ebikes.

[@simoncrooke1644]

​@@pantoqwertyA push bike will meet fitness requirements better than an electric bike. However, an electric bike is arguably superior, if transport is your objective. Laziness is irrelevant, if we are purely talking about transport.

[@thx1138guy]

@@pantoqwerty I get MORE exercise with my Ebike than with my push bike. I also travel much further with one.

[@sidecarmisanthrope5927]

My SAAB 9-5 is 22 years old now. It cost me $5000 to buy about 7 years ago. It is still faster than the average car on the road and just as safe. The major pollution created in manufacture has already happened and cannot be undone. It uses around 7 litres per 100 km and runs like a Swiss clock. If I can keep it on the road for the next 22 years then over its lifetime it would still work out more environmentally and economically friendly than almost any EV you can name.

[@TroySavary]

The Luddites must be feeling threatened. The FUD videos are coming faster and faster. Funny how people who have never actually driven an EV try to tell those of us who have what our experience with them is.

[@peekaboo1575]

I'm fairly confident he has experience with EVs.

[@TroySavary]

@@peekaboo1575 Not with the bullshit he is spewing.

[@peekaboo1575]

@@TroySavary Calling unpleasant facts 'bullshit' won't make them go away.

[@TroySavary]

@@peekaboo1575 Calling bullshit "facts" doesn't make it true.

[@georgegently3026]

I'm not interested in how they drive. They cost too much money. End of. I have a 2016 diesel qashqai that does 55mpg , is 150 quid tax, cheaper to insure, fix and service myself, tows my caravan and is paid for. I do not want a car on lease and I don't pay more than 10k for a car (had new once but never again, - depreciation is a killer - with an EV it's off the scale). Plus I've got solar panels, so could charge one for free if the sun comes out, but I still can't make it work for me financially.

[@michaelreich7723]

Never is a long time. However, in the foreseeable future, the points John is making appear to be valid. If the geopolitical situation gets worse and we get a massive oil shock, and Oz eventually gets to decarbonise its electricity supply, then the equations may change. As my pappy used to say, "Never say never".

[@Inaf1987]

If I remember, the former Scottish first minister had an EV ferry didn't she?, this is insanity. Just use more trains for transportation, that makes so much more sense.

[@danielstapler4315]

Yes, replace the ferry with a train.

[@malcolmyoung7866]

Scotland has no EV ferries(although it does have an experimental hydrogen based/hybrid ferry on trials on Orkney IIRC) ...it has no 'new' ferries ATM as the Scottish Government has fecked up the process for building them..5 years late and no sign of a ship docking anytime soon.. Hosting the climate conference two years ago(IIRC) they had a fleet of EV's which had to be charged using good old diesel generators. The UK government are as bad..we have a minister specifucally for EV promotion etc...They are blaming the lack of/falling sales on negative comments (Rowan Atkinson was lambasted for speaking out against EV's) whilst the real reasons are plainly there for everyone to see...They are deluded...have backed the wrong horse and can't admit their mistake..

[@derekbevan7145]

No kranky ordered LNG ferries they started building them about seven years ago still not finished about ten times over budget and the last I heard was that they are going to be converted to DIESEL.

[@staannoe]

We have numerous electric ferries in Norway and with all the fjords in our country their numbers are rising fast. The messianic hatred in this channel to everything electric is just laughable. I am close to 50 and the majority here sound like old uninformed farts even to me.

[@kallekas8551]

Adam Something would approve…😂

[@davegoldspink5354]

Great Part 1 thanks John and as far as disliking goes out here in reality when it comes to a logical and rational conclusion and explaination you will never see a dislike from this old fella.

[@asajelfs8170]

Technology will render what you say as useless. Batteries will surpass fuel in every aspect.

[@mellarner8253]

In your lifetime do you think?

[@asajelfs8170]

@@mellarner8253 Horse and cart transport not to long back. What do you think?

[@keithwashington-o5c]

What charges the batteries?

[@paultucker4923]

Hydroelectricity , domestic 3 phase fast charger. 408hp.​@@keithwashington-o5c

[@sullivanrachael]

How do they mine and refine the metals and materials to make the batteries? Or the energy intensive recycling ? It’s not like an Lithium battery just gets melted down

[@jayc8346]

You had me with the Skunk Works Tee…facts and reality are painful things to the virtuous crowd.

[@noxew]

Debunking reason #5 - "EVs are inferior" - "higher acquisition cost": Acquisition cost is irrelevant. Total cost of ownership is what matters, you should know that. And EVs, having 100x less mechanical parts than ICE vehicle, require significantly less repairs. And if you charge at home, your cost per km will be far below the cost of petrol. Once people get a taste of that, they won't want to buy petrol cars anymore. - "depreciation": This is mostly psychological. We haven't been using EVs for very long so people don't know what to expect from a used EV. That fear makes them unwilling to spend a lot, leading to an artificially strong depreciation. - "lower range" and "down time to charge the car": My petrol car has a range of 600km. I have never driven more than 300km without taking a 15~20m break to spread my legs or grab a coffee. Which is enough time to top up an EV for another 3h of driving. Also that "problem" only applies the few times a year when I do long drives. 99% of the year, I could charge at home at night (most people would be in the same situation too). - "battery degradation": A Model 3 has battery warranty of 8 years or 160,000km. If you're unlucky, you might have to change it soon after that, sure. But most car and basically everything you buy typically last much, much longer than the manufacturer warranty. - "drain on rare toxic and expensive minerals": Rare earth minerals are not actually that rare in the earth crust. It's a misconception. Also everything that is mined has the potential for toxic waste released in the environment. If that's your argument against EVs, then you should be against ICE cars too and everything that comes out of the industrial world. The lithium battery industry is already very mature, there are billions of devices with lithium batteries out in the world. Whatever ecological and human issues this industry can cause, it's already there and must be addressed, regardless of whether we produce EVs or not. You could actually argue that by expanding that industry, EVs will make these problems more visible and harder to ignore, thus more likely to be solved. - "dramatically increased weight": Yeah well buy a smaller car. Utes and SUVs are already too heavy anyway and most people have no use for them. Going to work or grocery shopping doesn't require a 2.5 metric tons tank. And the planet cannot provide a fleet of 8 billion utes or cybertrucks anyway. - "rare but catastrophic fires": If the deaths caused nuclear power plants accidents can be lower than the deaths cause by coal power plans in normal use, surely battery safety can be mastered. "It's not rocket science" and all that. Also these fires happen with lithium-ion or polymer EVs, not lithium iron phosphate EVs, cause that chemistry is very safe (but less energy dense). - "no spare tire": Annoying, I get it. But how many flat tires does an average person get in their life really? And you might be able to plug it, or worst case scenarios, call road side assistance. And hey, I'm sure these guys could successfully lobby the government into outlawing changing your own tires, then problem solved? This is a nanny state after all. - "dependancy on caol powered electricity": Well this needs to go away too, so that's not really an argument. Plus even if you were driving a Chinese made EV in China (a worst case scenario in terms of emissions), you would be able to compensate the extra emissions from manufacturing after driving 70,000km. Beyond that the car would emit less than an ICE. On average, EVs will always beat ICE in terms of emissions, and by far. - "EVs need to be incentivised": Joke's on you, the fossil fuel industry is one the most incentivised industry in the world. If you accept that climate change is real and caused by humans then you must accept that everything humans do must be decarbonized. That mean everything we do kinda has to change. But you can't change everything while also changing nothing about the way you live.

[@aperitifs]

Fantastic video, this should go viral , imagine the flood of comments!

[@mikehunt-w8u]

I might consider an EV.When they are able to charge to full capacity in 5 minutes,not 80%,a range of 500 miles,with all heaters,lights AC,audio ect with out reducing range.Charging stations as convenient as current gas stations,tyre wear equivalent to ICE cars,guarantee never to go into thermal runaway.Are able to tow heavy vans up and down hills without reducing range to much,reduction is expected of course,but similar to current ICE cars.Cheaper insurance than ICE vehicles,Resale values to be as good as current ICE cars,so i can get a good trade in for a new EV. Prices have to be on par with similar ICE cars.THATS WHEN I MIGHT CONSIDER AN EV.

[@theairstig9164]

Where TF are you driving with heat and music, lights on for 4 hours out and four hours back? Also, how often? Once? Daily? Weekly?

[@christiandisch8147]

Hey, remember that time when our phones batteries lasted a week instead of a day? Crazy, right?

[@retepd1e]

LOGICAL PRESENTATION! Thank you

[@tonymoreton7166]

JC - climate change is real. Always has been. Human activity may/will have some influence. But, don't bet your house on the fact that the current 'accepted' consensus that CO2 is the/a primary driver of climatic variations, will stand the test of time.

[@Ktmfan450]

And what if it does? What if it is confirmed that burning coal and releasing trapped methane from underground has wreaked havoc on the planet

[@tonymoreton7166]

@@Ktmfan450 chill. It won't.

[@Ktmfan450]

@@tonymoreton7166 Sounds like a lot of confidence for someone talking big shit

[@tonymoreton7166]

@@Ktmfan450 Time will tell lad, time will tell.

[@Ktmfan450]

@@tonymoreton7166 We already know

[@Raptorlifts]

Great video and facts to back it up. Very much enjoyed

[@les318]

What about all that C02 and C0 that goes up when we have a bush fire seasons, I bet that would never give us net zero ever.

[@iainw5081]

Or when a large volcano erupts.

[@pantoqwerty]

@@iainw5081 Acts of God, that’s on the church’s books.

[@Ktmfan450]

Wood that rots releases methane which is much worse than CO2 Volcanoes actually decrease the temperature by blocking out the sun temporarily

[@MrLeadb1]

The 1930's were the hottest of the 20th century. War broke out in 1939 and as countries all around the world geared up for war, production of weapons, tanks, ships, planes, etc, industry churned out copious amounts of CO2...along with the burning of cities and other CO2 producing war activities. Did the temperature rise following the massive rise in CO2?....no...the world temperatures started dropping and continued to do so until the 1970's. Only now has the temperature come back to the 1930 levels. This shows that CO2 is not the driver of climate change and never was.

[@Ktmfan450]

@@MrLeadb1 The dip in temperature in the WW2 period can be attributed to an increase in ship traffic that released massive amounts of Sulphur Dioxide into the air causing smog increase as well as particulates in the air

[@davemarfleet9423]

JC love to see you do an in-depth interview with Blackout Bowen on EVs however straight away we have a problem, any depth with Blackout would not work, but I am sure you could come up with something 😊

[@yggdrasil9039]

All those reasons are null and void. The real reason is... Not having to put $100-200 of fuel in the car every week or so, versus plugging into your home solar for free. Pretty soon the few thousand dollars price difference you paid for an EV (eg between a corolla and an mg4) disappear and you're no longer forking out wads of money every week.

[@nigelliam153]

How many people get enough sunlight and have a large enough roof to charge their ev and run their house off purely solar? Maybe parts of US and Australia with lots of sun and large single story dwellings but for most of the world small double story houses or apartments this is not viable so the most efficient way to operate is to use your solar to run your home and diesel vehicles. But good luck to you if you’ve achieved it.

[@I-have-a-brain_and-use-it]

My SWMBO has just traded her 1990 Corolla for a new Corolla . She used to get 15 km/l and it now gets 14 km/l It needs around $ 8,000 in repairs because quite a few bits are NLA so a complete new power steering system is needed and a custom muffler with a new after burner . She got $ 5,000 trade in on the new Corolla despite my objections that I could do all of the repairs for 20% of what she was quoted So no EV for her and at 72 this will be the last car she ever buys Try getting that sort of life out of an EV and the car has done 750,000 km

[@yggdrasil9039]

@@nigelliam153 Thanks. Well as long as you have off-street parking or an amenable council it's still cheaper even without solar. My power company charges 6c (Aus)/kWh for overnight off-peak charging, equating to $6 for a complete recharge on a 60kWh usable battery capacity that on petrol would cost $40-60 for 500km of driving. John has done some dubious maths attempting to show that it would take something like 80 years to recover the layout cost on an EV over an ICE, but that's no longer the case. If you drive a lot, the payback is even sooner, within a couple of years.

[@sullivanrachael]

~ 80% of the price of U.K. fuel is tax. If the taxes aren’t collected via fuel, they will get it some other way. The London mayor is ‘excited’ by the prospect of pay-per-mile taxation. Also, it’s all very well charging from solar; unless you have home solar batteries at least the same size as the car; if you use the car for work during the day; you cannot charge from your panels. You can use off-peak electricity, but with everyone else charging ‘off-peak’ it’ll not stay off-peak forever will it? Supply and demand.

[@I-have-a-brain_and-use-it]

@@sullivanrachael Off peak power exists because you can not turn a coal fired power station furnaces off & on as needed . Just at "idle" a radiant wall furnaces consumes 70% of the coal as it does running at full power and produces around 50% of full output . So Off Peak got invented so big users could save a fortune by doing things like scheduling melting metal overnight . With the advent of solar and the distortion of the market to accomodate solar & wind there is no point in power stations giving Off-Peak discounts because overnight they have to recover all of the running costs during the day when solar is providing power so Off Peak will become more expensive than day light power . The cheapest 24/7 power supply is hydro , only when it has a really large water supply to drive it . The next cheapest by a country mile is radiant wall coal fired . A very long way behind that is direct fired gas , then nuclear . But I am yet to find a greenie who can understand this

[@garrynuman5080]

Another rational report John. No such thing as an EV utopia. Looking forward to part 2.

[@Ktmfan450]

EVs are part of the lies capitalism sells us

[@BarryCasson-l7s]

Looking forward to part 2😀

[@AutoExpertJC]

It is now live.

[@waynerobertson511]

So, 1million EV per year x 15 years to replace all of the ICE cars. But, that assumes most EVs will last 15 years. Will they?

[@woodliceworm4565]

Yes, but the batteries won't and if it costs more to replace them then the cars get trashed before their service life is over.

[@theairstig9164]

@@woodliceworm4565source of this fact? Also does the longevity issue apply to post 2016 battery electric vehicles? Because this is the epoch when manufacturers learned to un-shit the lithium ion and LFP battery management both thermally and SOC/SOH. Apart from that BEVs are a choice that leads to personal enrichment at the expense of the environment and poor people who can’t afford them. That hasn’t changed

[@davidwebb793]

Love yer work mate 👍

[@randysuratte663]

I heard California has 800 school busses in use 😢. I wouldn't want my kids on one.

[@cardboardboxification]

California has endless suckers to suck their pockets dry from tax

[@Ktmfan450]

Maybe these ones have seatbelts

[@simoncrooke1644]

I do hope California has more than 800 school buses in use. Presumably, you meant electric school buses.

[@peekaboo1575]

I wouldn't want my kids in a Californian school in the first place.

[@randysuratte663]

@@simoncrooke1644 Yes

[@unacms]

Got two similar sized cars in the family - one ice one ev. Love the ev for all around town driving and use ice for longer trips. Works a treat. Considering fuel savings running costs on each car are the same. EV does have some cool benefits though - like running AC without running the engine is a real positive, charging at home means no unexpected fuel stops in the morning when running late for school drop, much nicer feeling when driving hilly area - quiet effortless climbs, long service intervals (40K/2y) is another good saving. That said, wouldn’t buy an EV in $60K+ range as many of the are. Just better ICE alternatives there. Luckily now you have a few sub $50K options that make sense.

[@GTrainRx7]

1: They will when they are cheaper and easier. People are lazy. They are currently at a price parity, easy comes from charging at home. 90% will be fine, the ones you talk about are a small minority. 2: Only losing cash because China is dumping and got far ahead early. Every time change comes, it is expensive, then becomes cheap and normal. 3: So? Irrelevant to your point. 4: True, but irrelevant to the actual topic. 5: Most of the facts are wrong, no fire for LFP, cost parity etc etc. You couldn't support most of the statements. Was actually pretty good. The misinformation, the way you pretended to answer a question but really it had nothing to do with the premise... well done! #SpaceKaren has a job for you. This coming from a factual perspective, I don't own an EV and only will give a shit about them when they become relevant, which will be soon. No matter how much the dinosaurs rail against change they don't understand :)

[@tjroelsma]

The whole EV market over here in the Netherlands relies on subsidies as well. No road taxes and cheaper electricity for charging were necessary to start selling EV's as replacements for ICE cars instead of just selling them as "yet another rich people's toy", but now those low electricity prices have gone and the government is seriously reconsidering to apply road taxes to EV's as well, as governments always need more money, the costs of driving an EV have become pretty on par and occasionally even more expensive than the costs of driving an ICE car. That really hurts the EV sales and it kind of proves that EV's are unsustainable on their own.

[@nigelcox1451]

Ask an EV owner how their car got to the dealership?

[@Sonny_McMacsson]

A giant stork did it, just like how babies are delivered.

[@lesleypaterson1463]

On the back of a good old diesel truck, which is at least 45% thermal efficient. I get really wound up when diesels are demonised. Without uncle Rudolph's design, the world would be much more difficult place for us humans. Diesels do the heavy lifting in our world and nothing, other than a possible water engine which is a diesel derivative comes close. No electric vehicle can get close to a diesel for what they deliver. Sure, an electric motor is more efficient but battery technology and recharge times don't make the viable.

[@jongarcia982]

Hurricane about to hit FL, 1 million people drive 300 miles and now need to recharge their cars for 6 hours - quite the energy draw on the grid - hope there is no disaster up north during winter

[@johnnyruins9025]

Looking forward to part 2 well done John just facts that EV are not the future of most transport in the future another great government con

[@davidmattice3752]

Hi from canada! Great stuff! Keep it coming, here's my thing against ev, back in the day my father bought a 1982 Datsun diesel, not the most glorious to drive but it got 45mpg(us mpg) and didn't black smoke and went right along, it had 450 000km on it when we had to retire it due to its body falling off it(rust belt) if it had been in youe country it would have kept going, i don't see a ev ever going that far and that cheap, with the least amount of repairs. And it never caught fire!

[@napoleonnz]

The major issue as I see it is depreciation. An ICE vehicle has a more or less indefinite repairable life at reasonable cost. An EV has an almost certain point where only a new battery can fix the gradual reduction in capacity. This new battery may extend the life of the vehicle but where is the customer with a deep enough wallet to pay the price? Common sense suggests that after the first battery dies or is sick enough to warrant replacement the whole vehicle is pretty much valueless. The ordinary Joe in your neighborhood understands that instinctively which is why he steers clear.

[@pantoqwerty]

The problem as I see it with the “replaceable battery” aspect is that, because the car is effectively an appliance like an iPhone, by the time the battery needs replacing things have moved on so much that your vehicle is worth nothing and you may as well just get a new one. There’s nothing inherently wrong with it but nobody will assign any value to it so it’s just part of the disposable society mindset. I’m afraid a car is a bit too pricey for me to treat that way which is why I’ll stick with my 10yo 4x4 that still can be sold for over 50% of the purchase price.

[@lastguy8613]

You're kidding yourself, what ICE vehicle has a more or less indefinite repairable life at a reasonable cost? If that was the case people would never get rid of them and the manufacturers would go broke

[@Jz-vd5zg]

Mate this was spot on

[@balazra]

I went to a town that has nearly a 60% EV uptake!!! When I drove in I counted so many Tesla’s!! Some of the other high end EV’s it was amazing. Admittedly it was a very exclusive town with most the homes being worth millions but it was 60% EV and proud. I watched the cars drive by and I saw no EVs… strange I thought. I asked around and people said they just weren’t practical. It was just so much easier in there petrol car… Shrug what ever…

[@bytemark6508]

And then you woke up.

[@scottcox8559]

I live in Katherine in the NT. On the weekend, i towed my 2000kg boat 600km to go fishing. There was no charging infrastructure available for the entire trip. I wonder how long it will take for there to be a viable EV option in remote Australia.

[@jamesrebbechi5247]

Ironically it turns out my old diesel particulate spewing Landrover is about as equally environmentally friendly as a newly minted Tesla. Who would’ve thought … 🤣

[@Kawasaki1-m4l]

Tantrum, huh, i agree with you 110%... I have to share this too my Facebook news feed.

[@robhayes8295]

You will own nothing, and be happy about it. LOL

[@Ktmfan450]

Billionaire capitalists