10 Times Hollywood Learned The Wrong Lesson From Movies

[@ProfArmitage218]

You could argue that the reason Alice in Wonderland was more successful than the movies that followed it was that it wasn't a remake. It was a sequel in which an adult Alice returns to Wonderland years after her original adventure. It was telling a new story instead of retelling a story people had already seen.

[@kevin10001]

That is true and it got in on the 3d craze early on before people got tired of it but since it’s been why are we still doing this when the remake is all around a lesser quality version with terrible writing or in the case of the lion king just a nearly shot for shot recreation of the original when a lot of the originals that have been remade are on Disney+ negating there justification for doing this when we can just show the originals to the next generation making the remake’s overall pointless

[@rogershore7189]

Plus, I would argue, the other reason for its popularity was Tim Burton being attached. Much like Charlie & The Chocolate factory, this was a movie many had been desperate for Tim Burton to take on.

[@ericjanssen394]

Actually, it was Disney's mainstream-nerfing of a horror version of the Dark Alice videogames, originally set to be directed by Wes Craven. When it bounced from Universal to Dimension to Disney, the Mouse decided to sell the brandname instead. Unfortunately, each studio learned their OWN wrong lesson from the success, and it all blended into "Fangirls want to see dark gothy fairytale films in March Spring-Break!" And gave us three different tween spins on Snow White.

[@daimonatkins3046]

A weird thing is that Nutcracker and the Four Realms movie did a similar thing with actually being a sequel while marketed as a remake it never found the same success as 2010s Alice in Wonderland did

[@aussieman3021]

Alice in Wonderland should've been titled something else like Return To Wonderland or something if it was going to be just another unofficial sequel to the Alice books.

[@LeonardoKlotz]

1st rule of a cinematic universe "You do NOT tell everyone that you're making a cinematic universe." 2nd rule of a cinematic universe: "You do NOT imitate the MCU."

[@ethanhoerr2924]

That explains it very well.

[@justinsinke2088]

3rd rule of a cinematic universe "Actually establish the 'universe' with more than 1-2 movie before the big crossover event."

[@tygressblade]

So far good rules

[@gechoman44iwantahippo]

I don’t think the second rule is necessarily a problem. I think that if more Cinematic Universes structured themselves in phases, then more would be successful, but most don’t do that. Most just greenlight projects and rush them out. I do agree with the first one though, they really shouldn’t announce that it’s gonna be a shared universe until a few movies in. Heck, I don’t even think sequels should ever be announced until the previous film has been out for a while. TLDR: More Cinematic Universes should use the phase structure of the MCU and the studios need to slow down with trying to get to their big built-up project.

[@ericjanssen394]

'1st rule of a cinematic universe: You do NOT tell everyone you're making a cinematic universe." Tom Cruise's Mummy: "The first chapter in the Progidium Saga of Dark Uni--" "--BZZT! You lose, next contestant!"

[@defiantmopar]

Here's two more from the MCU: Sarcastic quips undermining any kind of cinematic tension - The Avengers. It was done well in that movie because it was part of those characters and it fit the overall tone. They were serious when they needed to be. Fiege then took that as a cue to turn all the characters and movies into extensions of that. Comedies wrapped up in action - The Guardians of the Galaxy. One of my personal favorite trilogies, but it was another turning point for the MCU. What Gunn understood is that the comedy is character driven, and it only makes up one part of that character. Nowadays Fiege/Disney are just making inconsequential sit-coms Edit: I understand that these points are very similar. I don't want to write paragraphs on their distinctions

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

When Rhodey makes fun of Thor for being fat in a scene where Thor was ready to risk his life, while they are still deciding who will use Infinity gauntlet, that almost ruins the entire scene for me.

[@rvboyett]

I don't think I would have used Quicksilver's fight in XMen: Days of Future Past as a bad example of using bullet time. That particular character was practically made for bullet time. It was easily the best scene in DoFP (which was a decent flick) is was also the ONLY redeemable part of X-Men: Apocalypse

[@mack1305]

I really enjoyed Equilibrium. It has great "Matrix-ish" action without "bullet-time".

[@daryl772003]

It's a good movie

[@gamleskalle1]

Bale and Bean, yes please.

[@BHart777]

As far as giving "The Matrix" solo credit for "bullet time," the film version of "Lost In Space" has entered the chat!

[@mack1305]

I have another one. Upgrade. Great fight visuals

[@tymajenga276]

They wouldn't have these problems if they cast Nicholas Cage in every role

[@yunbie]

I wanna see Nicholas Cage as Barbie

[@keaganthedude]

@@yunbieno no no not the barBEES

[@RuneScapeShadoma]

That's what I've been saying for years. We need a Nic Cage movie where he is everyone.

[@brandonscott5544]

HOLLYWOOD OVERDOING IT

[@marcum211]

They'd have a whole different set of problems... 🔥💥🔥

[@daniellewis3330]

Solo: A Star Wars Story wasn't bad because they recast Han Solo, it was bad because it was useless. We *didn't want* an explanation of Han Solo, the mystery of his story was part of the charm! How they didn't learn *that* lesson from the prequels is the real mystery.

[@stevegallo8483]

People always forget that Solo: A Star Wars Story only came out a few months after the divisive Episode VIII: The Last Jedi, and that really hurt it at the box office.

[@kenbrown2808]

@@stevegallo8483 Solo deserves all the backlash it got. it was horribly written and retconned most of the established backstory. the casting was about the only thing that wasn't terrible about it.

[@KellyRende-yo3ql]

Interesting that Kathleen Kennedy claims that she learned a lesson from Solo when she continues to destroy legacy characters to make way for strong female characters despite fan backlash and diminishing returns...

[@kenbrown2808]

@@KellyRende-yo3ql interesting that your biggest complaint is the existence of strong female characters. you seem to forget that Leia was a strong female character. the real problem is poor storytelling, hackneyed retcons, and an overreliance on gimmicks over quality. and gatekeeping the content to their streaming service,

[@sxeptomaniac]

I've started calling these types of films Midichlorians: the Movie. Solo and Wonka prequels are perfect examples of this trend of trying to create films that answer every single question nobody asked.

[@donaldfrederick501]

Wow, the "let's try to convert every YA Book franchise" didn't make the list.

[@caronstout354]

Or the "sick teen" trope, as well as the "magical teen" trope...

[@wwaxwork]

That was is still an ongoing problem.

[@harrisonchr]

Solo wasn't bad because of the recast, the actual story needed to be much better. As for Alice In Wonderland, I enjoyed that sequel movie.

[@liamwhelehan2703]

Plus the recast of Lando was universally praised.

[@wyldhowl2821]

I agree. The cast was actually very good. The plot could have used some tweaking.

[@scottpandich3972]

The crazy think about Alice in Wonderland is that it wasn't actually a live action remake, was it? It's more of a sequel. Also, shaky cam really came into its own with found footage films. Why didn't they get a shout out? The Blair Witch Project was a ginormous success and there's suddenly a swarm of knockoffs.

[@hardtruth]

NYPD Blue popularized the shaky cam on TV. TV is arguably a better medium for shaky cam than the big screens. Before NYPD Blue shaky cam was used frequently in foreign films ( ie. French New Wave), art and indy films, and music videos. and muisc videos

[@iainjames03]

I think WC are trying to specifically highlight the use of 'shaky-cam' in action films, which was definitely as a result of Bourne - and especially Greengrass filming much of Supremacy like it was candid documentary footage. Before that, as @hardtruth mentions, it was commonly used in low budget movies and documentaries where hand-held cameras were much more versatile than dollies, cranes or steadicams. It's kind of taken as read that the footage in "found-footage" movies would be on hand-held recording devices.

[@NKA23]

Darth Kath throwing Ehrenreich under the bus is just another example for her being unable to actually understand why "her" Star Wars doesn't sit well with fans. I think Ehrenreich did a decent job trying to channel Ford in his portrayal of a young Han Solo. That wasn't the problem with the movie. The movie's main problem was the last SW movie that came out before it....

[@javib2978]

Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings films. Have a dark and serious tone. Which made sense. Since the books introduction, it wanted to have the fantasy genre in books made for adults than children. It's tone felt organic, not forced.

[@javib2978]

You forgot Scary Movie. It may be a spoof satirical film. It had the early examples of meta humor. Before Deadpool came up with the idea.

[@javib2978]

Differences Between Comic Book and Novel Adaptations. Superhero stories are meant to be episodic ongoing adventures. Book adaptations such as Harry Potter, Game of Thrones, Narnia, Earthsea, Lord of the Rings, detective books, manga, horror, western, slasher, and sci fi novels. On the hand, are not episodic ongoing stories like superheroes. There once in a lifetime experience. They are meant to alter changes to the source material. People have to deal with it. Novel adaptations are meant for die hard fans, scholars, and librarians alike. Changes to their source material need to occur. To feel justified. Even if novel readers don't like the changes. Too bad. What is the point of adapting them in the first place? It doesn't matter if the novel creators aren't involved, it's okay. Being book accurate is no longer an excuse anymore. You can't judge book adaptations. If they alter book adaptations, changes it's source material to fit the runtime, I am not arguing about it. Producers, do your own thing. Creative interference needs to happen. "Film and tv directors, you cannot get what you always want to do. Because, life doesn't work that way. You are told what you are tasked to do. There is no need to be rebellious. Deal with it".

[@jamespope7669]

Fantasy violence, something the MCU/Disney doesn't have the balls to do.

[@wyldhowl2821]

Yeah, but LOTR was not relentlessly dark. Lots of humour in it, just to break up the serious overall story.

[@javib2978]

LOTR and Game of Thrones do have its share of levity. But at least wasn't like the mcu did. Like make a quip every single time or a few minutes suddenly. That wouldn't make sense in these two franchises. I am glad LOTR and Game of Thrones aren't done by Zack Snyder or Disney. Thank god.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

What about when THE FORCE AWAKENS made everyone believe that nostalgia is the new way to make legacy sequels?

[@Peasham]

Tbf that was already a thing, TFA just popularized actually making said sequels, there is a difference.

[@aidanmargarson8910]

the plot was the same as star wars, return of the jedi .. they just changed the cushions on the seats

[@wyldhowl2821]

The way the sequel trilogy was just lazy franchise milking, thanks to clueless egomaniac executives. The selection of characters was good, the cast good, but it's like they producers never had a clear idea what to do with any of it. So the plot was bad and grew worse with each film, increasingly inconsistent & implausible. The treatment of the characters grew worse, like they were just trying to please the marketers, then internet trolls, then finally nobody at all. They really just drove it into the ground. Only the side projects managed to keep the Star Wars franchise on life support after they bungled the main film series.

[@Tfjones525]

Josh, how could you leave out Blair witch with the found footage?

[@icedriver2207]

For me the biggest problem with Solo wasn't that they recast Han Solo. It was the fact that they had all the same characters from other movies as Tie in's to the story. Its supposed to be a big universe yet the same groups are involved in everything over and over again.

[@sxeptomaniac]

IMO, the biggest problem with Solo is that it didn't have a reason to exist. Like Midichlorians, it answered questions nobody asked, and didn't give a compelling reason as part of its story. No one ever cared about Han's backstory before ending up in the Mos Eisley cantina.

[@salemslotandmore8278]

Thanks for the List and Video 😀

[@cholatepnabangchang4834]

A little defense for Hunger Games with that particular sequence. It was supposed to be the first battle in the game with a lot of melee and confusion for Katniss, so I think that scene, done with shaky cam, makes sense as a storytelling tool. Can't remember anything about the other fight scenes in the series though, so you may be right about it being overused everywhere else.

[@RayMcElroy50]

The Avengers made everyone believe that out of place gags is essential for a successful blockbuster

[@kevin10001]

And made us think humor and action were more important then actual storytelling cause a lot of the mcu sacrifices plot for humor world building and action to the point the movies can’t stand on there but feel like just chapters in a book unlike dc who’s first phase wasn’t actually about putting the justice league together like the mcu it was more about kal discovering his true identity discovering he is actually from krypton and how humanity deals with his existence while he finds his mortality and becomes the Superman we know in the 2 part justice league movies that got condensed into 1 movie cause of mcu fanboys saying there universes formula is the only way to make a superhero universe and now that universe is crumbling down around them

[@Peasham]

@@kevin10001 I was with you til you started entertaining the idea that the DCEU was ever watchable

[@trinaq]

I agree, not everything has to be darker and edgier to be enjoyable. Sometimes, we just want to switch our brains off momentarily, and watch something light and fluffy.

[@mcleigh66]

If The Mummy reboot had succeeded, it would have been fairly in line with what Universal did with their monster films back in their golden age. Frankenstein met the Mummy met the Wolfman met Dracula, so it could have been a fine idea. I wonder if it would have made more sense to start with a character that HADN'T had a beloved series in the past couple of decades.

[@bbsy1]

Should have started with the invisible man that we got instead of the one they wanted and then the mummy sans Cruise. The Mummy is is not his genre.

[@Mcelly58]

The problem is that when somebody has a hit everyone wants to copy it. You can re-cast iconic characters I mean they did it with War Machine… not everything needs to be a cinematic universe, but something’s do there needs to be more variety in the film market place. It should be like going to the grocery store and seeing the ice cream session whatever you in the mood for there’s an ice cream for it, and that should be the same mindset for current movies. The thing with the CTID aging thing is, it should be what it is a nice little wink to the audience and it should be kept secret. The main problem is we know how Louis ends before leaving if we were to just scale back like 80% and come out with just a trailer that’s it people would lose their minds especially if it’s good

[@TheBenKimberlin]

"Don't recast legacy characters" was definitely the wrong lesson. Look at Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. That show recast Pike, Spock, Number One, M'Benga, Chapel, Uhura, just to name a few and is widely acclaimed. It's almost as if telling a good story is enough.

[@sharzah1]

tell a good story? What a concept!

[@JoybuzzerX]

Which is why it would've been okay to recast Tchalla. We should've gotten continuation of younger Luke, Leia and Han and not so long later and they're all garbage and failures in their adult years

[@bruns.like.spoons9251]

A fine list, sir.

[@danieljob3184]

Remaking the Mummy: how to make League of Extraordinary Gentlemen look like a niche masterpiece. 😃

[@MadJustin7]

Entire careers have been made on learning all the wrong lessons from movies.

[@DasIllu]

Film makers: "How did you like the little pinch of salt we added to the soup?" Us:"It was good." Film makers: "From here on out you shall receive nothing but the purest, grittiest NaCl we can synthesize in our lab. And maybe we add a drop of soup to your pile of salt" Us: "Here we go again."

[@gorrow1990]

A lot of horror movies that immediately followed "Saw" really didn't get why that movie worked so well and why it has continued to stand the test of time despite being filmed on a very small budget in approximately 3 weeks. So "torture porn" became a thing bc graphic deaths became the priority for so many horror movies over the story and characters.

[@michaelely9467]

Alice in Wonderland worked bc of Depp’s star power at the time and he seemed perfect for the role. Now Disney casts almost no-names in starting roles and hopes for the best.

[@notyouorme]

Yeah but that really shouldn't be surprising since that has been Disneys SOP from their tv shows, and they just tried it with their movies. It makes them more money. Make a unknown known and then lock them down to your series and squeeze every penny you can while they're cheap and then if they gain enough star power to leave end the series and start fresh.

[@aussieman3021]

​@@hey-lk3zmAnd that both were involved in events that got media circus level coverages last year: Will Smith slapping Chris Rock at the 94th Academy Awards and Johnny Depp's month and a half defamation trial against ex-wife Amber Heard.

[@krisdhana5822]

Not sure which movie caused the trend, but I remember a time where movies usually had a runtime under 2 hours. While there are movies out there worth 2 hours of my life and attention, many would benefit from more concise storytelling. That's my opinion. Have a nice day!

[@AlejandroVarasHinojosa]

I hope the UNO movie is in the style of a war movie because nobody ends a game of UNO without fighting with each other 😂

[@stevegallo8483]

The biggest problem with the DCEU is that Warner Brothers rushed everything to try and catch up immediately with the MCU.

[@davidsmith62]

You forgot to add that Mattel would love us to see PlayDoh: the movie

[@caronstout354]

With "Hungry Hungry Hippos" in preproduction...

[@georgebrooks4292]

I loved Man Of Steel. I never liked The Big Blue Boy Scout until that movie. Many writers have gone dark with Kal-El, like Brian Michael Bendis and Mark Millar. In fact, Millar's dark adult storytelling is also where we got Samuel L. Jackson's Nick Fury in the MCU. It was 1941-1956 Superman fans who whined & complained that their "hopeful" character was too dark. Before America's involvement in WWII, Superman was an anti-hero who beat up criminals. DC did the "truth, justice, and the American way" thing as patriotic propaganda with their most popular character then began adding powers to him, eventually making him the godlike character he is today.

[@Peasham]

So you don't like the big blue boyscout, noted.

[@rome8180]

How about instead of either recasting characters or bringing them back through CGI, you don't bring them back at all? I know, I know. That's a crazy concept. But do we really need fan service cameos in every Star Wars film? The universe created is expansive enough that they should be using it to tell new stories instead of constantly pulling from a cast of characters created almost 50 years ago.

[@a_spooky_j]

Speak for yourself, I for one wanted the Dark Universe and am greatly disappointed that we won’t be getting it

[@theoriginalThud]

I think it can still happen. It just needs good planning and the right people to make it happen at the right time. Once monsters are created, they will always find a way to come back to life for future generations. There continue to be ongoing movies about vampires and werewolves. Although I haven’t seen it yet, ‘The Last Voyage of Demeter’ appears to be bringing back a version of the iconic Dracula, so we are kind of already getting what we want. Plus, they will inevitably continue to bring back other classic monster-like characters like Jason, Michael Myers, Freddy and Chucky back to the big screen.

[@kendellstewart2090]

99% of us just wanted Brendan Fraser back

[@MIKELIN8]

I imagine in a parallell universe there's a video by their WhatCulture titled "Opportunities missed by Hollywood" using these 10 same examples. Meaning? Hindsight = 20/20.

[@borskavin6395]

Didn't Disney start doing the remakes because Walt Disney himself wanted their films to be redone every other generation?

[@Peasham]

They sure as hell missed a few

[@Spicie95]

No, that was just a lie they told the internet to make people think the remakes had to happen. Walt was an artist who loved his animation and would definitely rather have new generations watch what he and his fellows artists made. Also, they conveniently only made something like five remakes in the 1990s and 2000s, despite the fact that Walt died in 1966, so they would have ignored his wishes for thirty years and then suddenly decided they were important.

[@wyldhowl2821]

Disney used to pull their main animated films out of sales circulation, then wait exactly 7 years and re-release them. This was the amount of time they calculated was needed before a whole new crop of kids of the right age range would become interested in seeing them and demand their parents buy a copy.

[@TheKarishi]

It'd be hilarious if Mattel brought in the whole cast of the Fast & Furious franchise for Hot Wheels and then made the whole thing wholesome. If you were coming from F&F you'd spend the whole film waiting for the other shoe to drop and it WOULDN'T.

[@jeff119990]

nothing bad would happen because they are family.

[@JaedenRuiner]

Gotta love how modern trends make memories extremely short. The movie(s) that taught Hollywood to make more movies off of toy products was Transformers, decades before Barbie was even thought of as a movie property. Of course, they didn't learn the lesson then, and should have when immediately following the Transformers success, they released Battleship. Mattel should have learned from Hasbro's mistakes.

[@keisbuddy]

Yay, it's Josh!

[@keisbuddy]

Also, the problem with "Solo" was it wasn't based on the original "Han Solo Trilogy" by A.C. Crispin.

[@silent_deprival]

I think the main reason they used the shaky camera effect in The Hunger Games was that no one wanted to see the deaths in detail . Most of the deaths in that movie were obscured or hidden from view.

[@mousemd]

You bring up some pretty good points. Likely why I don't like to watch movies anymore. I did like Nolan's Batman. I got tired of the silly stuff. What do you call Campy?

[@eddmario]

Okay, the Universal Studios monster cinimatic universe didn't start with the Tom Cruise Mummy remake. It actually started with I, Frankenstein. When that movie bombed they decided to have Dracula: Untold be the new start instead. Also a Hot Wheels movie could actually work. Maybe do a mix of Wacky Races and The Fast and the Furious.

[@justinsinke2088]

I mean, I could see a Hot Wheels movie. Fast and Furious is up to it's 10th entry after all.

[@bobross1829]

Kathleen Kennedy is just a trainwreck. I saw that comment about Solo too. THAT? was the lesson she drew? Out of all the panning and bad box office returns she had, she plants her flag on, "do not recast original characters?" It is like someone gave her a list of the 100 bad things she has done while in charge and she jumped to number 105, because that one is not her fault.

[@liamwhelehan2703]

I'm glad you mentioned The Bourne supremacy.... I always thought the first film was far superior to the later movies... You could actually see what was going on. And Bourne wasn't an energizer bunny propelled by magic. But then every movie, including bond just copied the later movies.

[@jamalvargas6146]

10 Times Hollywood Learned The Wrong Lesson from tv shows like Family Guy or Friends

[@henrykujawa4427]

Coming soon: "MAJOR MATT MASON, MATTEL'S MAN IN SPACE!" Now that one, I might actually go to see.

[@stevensalter5912]

A Top 10 films that were better in 3D (or similar) would be quite interesting

[@AFLoneWolf]

Speaking of John Wick... Every action movie has to have the same style of fighting/choreography/editing. See also: Extraction, Grey Man, Old Guard, Atomic Blonde, Nobody, Kate, Voltage, Bullet Train, etc.

[@moustachemoe]

We forgot: Paranormal activity made every horror movie think it needed to be a found footage film. And: Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows made every series based on books think they could justify two movies as a finale.

[@justinharsey3030]

Are we finally getting another live-action Thomas? I am scared for the answer.

[@DJ_Force]

You forgot the original Hollywood trope trend: After Star Wars, everything was "It's like Star Wars, but...". Even James Bond went into space with Moonraker.

[@wyldhowl2821]

Oh, definitely. That's the knock-off trend. Hollywood is always trying to milk entire categories of gilms, once one has been successful. Star Wars spawned a shit-ton of space-adventure movies (usually bad) and TV shows. So did Close Encounters and ET, in a different sort of way. Conan The Barbarian spawned a cluster of mighty warrior fantasy films. Mad Max, post apocalyptic films. Hell, for a while you could find B movies trying to combine these categories together (Krull? Steel Dawn?). Terminator spawned a mini-trend of killer robot / cyborg films. Even just cop films go in trends. Dirty Harry franchise set the tone for hardcore cops, which had to be one-upped by Lethal Weapon. Lethal Weapon could be said to have inspired the Die Hard films, and at least the first Die Hard had John McClane as not a supercop but just a desperate but determined cop. Die Hard itself spawned a whole bunch of Die Hard wannabe films, including Speed. The fact that each of these got their own franchise or at least a sequel should tell you how lucrative Hollywood executives think blatant imitation is.

[@BHart777]

I can think of two wrong lessons that Hollywood learned from movies. One: After the success of "There's Something About Mary" and its gross-out narrative, Hollywood thought that gross was funny, and instead of making a genuinely funny film where the gross elements are part of the joke, but not the actual joke itself, many films were released where they were just gross, but not funny. Many films by Sacha Baron Cohen, Will Ferrell, and Adam Sandler come to mind, as well as other films by the Farrelly Brothers. Two: After the success of "Resevoir Dogs," and to a greater extent, "Pulp Fiction," many films thought that all they needed to do was play the film out of sequence, give the characters silly names, punch up the violence, and make the dialogue quirky, and that's a recipe for success. Many tried, and many failed! "Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead," anyone?

[@maddalonefarms]

9:27 which movie is that?

[@maddalonefarms]

What movie? 12:02

[@MisterWretham]

Shaky cam cinematography should die in a fire. I'm SO DONE with spending money to watch a fight scene and still feel like I'm in a kaleidoscope being handled by a 3 year old.

[@sheilaholmes996]

Disney needs to stop with the remakes! Ioved Barbie but I do not need a sequel or other toy movies.

[@curtisfox1487]

Meta- I know Deadpool breaking the 4th wall is his thing, but in Hollywood, Wolf of Wall Street did it 3 years before

[@LoverOfBellies]

Amazing Spiderman is no way "dark & gritty", also that style is Snyder's MO

[@PrinceIsot]

Alien Covenant!!!!!! God damnit Noomi Rapace should be in everything

[@captnaberystwyth2879]

Rambo was a political film about ptsd and the failure of the va and govt.

[@wyldhowl2821]

Yeah, the original was kinda of a dig at how Vietnam veterans were just kicked to the curb by the society they had fought for. The sequels turned it into Reaganite cold war propaganda, but really the origin of the character was about a very dangerous by very broken man. (I guess you could put Riggs from Lethal Weapon into that category too, for different reasons.)

[@4891MR]

Everybody loved the Quicksilver scene in X-Men: Days of Future Past. Nobody cared about the Quicksilver scene in X-Men: Apocalypse.

[@jackiegillies4165]

Disney should re-release the classics in theaters, BUT, require lowered costs. They would clean up, with parents wanting their kids to experience the magic in a theater. And the lowered cost would she Disney knows families are struggling under inflation.

[@martinridgway7455]

Excellent list. Two comments: (1) X-Men Time in a Bottle shows how to slow the action down brilliantly. (2) [Stolen from Radio 4: Barbie 2 The Wrath of Ken

[@kevin10001]

With days of future past it was used as a gimmick it was meant to show us how fast quicksilver was actually moving so the slow down made sense

[@gerardocolinrojas9446]

But recast worked for Mad Max Fury Road

[@wyldhowl2821]

They didn't want to recast, but after Thunderdome, the series got caught in development hell (something like 20 years), so Mel Gibson was no longer age-appropriate to play Max.

[@NeoDarkArtZ]

Somebody really said Han Solo was more popular than Obi Wan and they should've been fired on the spot...Solo was the least anticipated film on that list of possible projects and the fact that resources went to it instead of the Obi Wan Kenobi movie we clearly wanted is criminal. Somebody wanted the fan to like who they liked instead and it showed...

[@alfredomaclaughlin1185]

Alice in Wonderland wasn't a remake, nor was it a movie. It was a reinvention (and THEN it had its sequel, through the looking glass, which I liked more). It doesn't follow very closely either the Disney animated or the original stories. It was with Beauty & the Beast (that was very successful) that they truly got into the remake craze. This is a great list, by the way, nailed it in everyone! But I'd contest Free Guy in #9, it's not "meta" but plain satire. And there's still a lot of room for this kind of movie (like the Spiderverse ones).

[@Zett76]

If you like meta humor, check out Moonlighting. A very old tv show with a very young Bruce Willis. It takes a while, but with every season the show got more and more meta. :)

[@alfredomaclaughlin1185]

@@Zett76 Thanks! I'll check it out. I remember watching the episode with the Leprechaun, it was a very clever show.

[@c0mpr3nd3]

Yes The Dark Knight was quite dark but a lot of the dark moments were backed up by well lit moments. Look at the interrogation scene in the clip you've used, Batman is the only dark element visually. Hell there is a scene were Joker burns half the mobs money (and their accountant) and it is brighter than you remember because the scene has a 3 story fire in the middle of it.

[@tommystrickland6268]

Not only that, but throughout most of the dark night, even the scenes were there in the dark. You can see fairly well compared to other movies that have this issue.

[@rogershore7189]

They didn’t mean dark visually. It was more the definition of dark as pertaining to something being dismal or gloomy. The opposite of cheerful.

[@wyldhowl2821]

@@rogershore7189 Obviously the makers of the latest The Batman film were the ones who overdid this the most. Dark (very literally) and dismal film the whole time.

[@godricbarbarossa8001]

If my memory serves the shaky cam revolution started with the Homicide TV show (1993-1999) and jumped to the cinema with the Blair Witch Project (1999).

[@robnelms1418]

I would think "shakey cam" started with Batman Begins.

[@DJGamingSmash]

I actually do want a Ken solo film if it's anything like the Barbie movie.

[@9791mij]

Another thing that they misunderstood is MCU doesn’t mean any superhero hero is money. Marvel movies are just saying they can be more powerful imaginative in adventure movies and shows. There is no Superhero trend

[@jesseflake4322]

101 Dalmatians was one of the first Disney live action movies made right?

[@SpamEggSausage]

no, they were making them decades earlier

[@GigiButterflie]

Ok but someone make a Hungry Hungry Hippos movie…. But make it HORROR 😂

[@wyldhowl2821]

- Gritty & dark was around long before The Dark Knight. - the only good 3D I've seen is: Avatar, Gravity, and Dredd. (Dredd was also good in having a credible bullet-time-ish visuals: the slo-mo drug.) - Wasn't the shaky-cam trend begun by either Saving Private Ryan and Blair Watch Project?

[@hydrolito]

Tarzan, Shenna Queen of the Jungle, Charlie Chan, Dracula, Frankenstein, Werewolf, Dorothy. Witch, Sherlock Holmes, Alice in Wonderland, Helen Keller, Joan of Arc, Cleopatra, King Arthur, Robin Hood, Superman, Batman and James bond have been recast many times successfully although are not always successful.

[@kenbrown2808]

the one lesson they haven't learned: tell good stories.

[@williammcfarlane6153]

The problem with the whole list is is that the Studio's number one objective is to maximize profits so they'll often jump on any Trend that looks like it's going to increase short-term profitability... This is why we get a shity spawn movie along with other franchises that if you were to actually truly represent the true material then it would have an R rating. The studio doesn't feel like they'll make the profit that they want to. As pointed out with Deadpool in which they didn't believe the movie would make that much money because an R rating and would reduce on the kids who could watch it because that was perceived to be the target market... Always remember that the studios are only concerned with one objective, MAXIMIZED PROFITS!

[@matrixguardian4539]

A Barney movie? Please kill me. After hearing its upcoming CGI reboot, I was like “Oh god, I hope we don’t get a movie. Barbie was enough.” Ugh, I’m sick right now. Me though, I’m fine with Live Action Disney remakes, just sick of the internet’s less than positive takes on these. Any reboot announcements that made you want to hold a gun to your head or IPs you want to stay DEAD!?

[@SomeCanine]

I really wish people would stop funding sequels. It would solve most of Hollywood's problems.

[@TRCRPISO]

I agree with the take on the mattel movies, though, we can't really judge, because I am certain, nobody expected anything from the barbie movie, but if they can get good directors and good scripts, it could actually work just fine

[@wyldhowl2821]

The blame for the trend should actually be with Pirates Of The Caribbean: Curse of The Black Pearl. The movie was based on a ride at Disneyland (and not even one of the better ones), but since it unexpectedly made loads of money, people began to cast around for low-cost IP to make films out of. At one point, people were talking about turning just about every board & card game into some kind of film. I think Battleship (ironically) sank this idea.

[@Aussie_Stitch]

I always considered Cinderella as being the start of the live action remakes. Alice in Wonderland was too different from the source material. Cinderella is certainly the only good live action adaptation so far.

[@marcomacias3960]

Isn't 101 Dalmatians consider a remake? The 96 version not the Cruella one

[@walterpetersen776]

Yes it was Glenn Close made the Curella.

[@SuperCeleste007]

So I do have to say one thing clear from what it seems like Mattel is going to be the company that’s going to make “edgy” movies based on their toys such as Barbie being rated PG-13 for some minor stuff, such as swearing and innuendos, Magic Eight Ball being a horror movie, Hot Wheels being described as gritty, and the Barney movie being described as dark and more adult than the show

[@gorilladisco9108]

First Blood was 40 years ago? Damn I'm old.

[@dave73731]

Technically "Bullet Time" was not VFX It was a practically shot In-Camera effect

[@fe3bal]

Wait, no found footage? Blair Witch, and rec theb led to the likes of Paranormal Activity wringing that cliche dry.

[@kevinsmarts9953]

I'm confused by the Disney's ongoing financial struggle. They are making more than $1billion a year profit even with the current cash drain from launching Disney+. I'd be very happy to have such struggles in my life.

[@LOLrigole]

I suppose if your core belief is that your business has to grow infinitely, than a slowing down of the growth can be seen as a struggle?

[@kevinsmarts9953]

@@LOLrigole Yeah I can see that but Disney has never behaved that way as some times it spends heavily and even borrows big in order to expand or bring in new features. Disney+ is a massive gamble but getting a foothold in the streaming war could pay out for decades if they do. Besides the movies are pretty much peanuts compared with the parks where they make the real money and those are still not recovered fully post Covid.

[@Spicie95]

I remember being excited for Alice in Wonderland when I was 15, as a little emo girl, who loved Tim Burton's Gothic semi-horror style. But last time I watched the movie (probably 8 years ago, at least), I remember it being all over the place and not in an Alice in Wonderland kinda way. It has a lot of famous actors, but they don't really get to shine in all that CGI, and even Johnny Depp, who has the most mobility, other than Mia Wasakowski, just overacts as the Mad Hatter. Tim Burton has admitted to not having any particular fondness for Lewis Carroll's story, which really shows in the final product. And the 3D wasn't anything special. So, did it just make $1B because of teenagers like me??

[@sharzah1]

Toy Story - Just make it all CGI

[@earlleeruhf3130]

If Hollywood didn't recast Iconic characters then the Bond movies would have ended with Sean Connery, Buster Crabbe would be the only Tarzan and Logusi would be Dracula forever and Lee would be looking for other work.

[@WomanRoaring]

i hate shaky cam movies. it doesn't give me a headache or make me sick but it's just distracting.

[@rvaldrich]

About #2, with Mattel and the Barbie movie...look, most of those movies don't sound interesting at all. But Mattel still owns He-Man and Mighty Max, right? And Hot Wheels? Yeah, I could see those been worthwhile. Even Polley Pocket could be fun.

[@katashworth41]

My partner did come up for a great idea for the Uno movie. Make it an 18 rated thriller, even coming up with a lien “Take 4 motherfucker.” And shoot someone 4 times.

[@jsmith3946]

what's funny is the Dark Knight comic also usher in a era of over the top dark storylines in super hero comics which is something Frank Miller hated

[@BaeBunni]

I think iron man needs to be higher on the list because the cinematic universe thing has literally become such a problem marvel is basically self cannibalizing itself trying to keep it going and making itself and basically slowly turning itself into one of the worst ones now since it won't stop.

[@ianmerricks4818]

I thought the top 10 lessons not learned list just comprised fast & furious 1 through 10.

[@LoverOfBellies]

3D has not been that prevalent in recent years so I'd say studios have learned their lesson

[@RunfromDangerMan]

Deadpool ain’t my thing but read a comic sometime. There totally is room for being meta and breaking the fourth wall with Deadpool. Like it or not, there is room for it because even before the first Deadpool movie it existed in more than just Deadpool.