Why Modern Movies Suck - They Hate Men (Part 1)

Masculine male characters seem to be a dying breed in modern movies. Why? Well, I've got a few ideas...
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[@gabrielmartins-xt6rx]

"Anything masculine is bad, unless it's a woman doing it."

[@peakdennis1]

Can you imagine prime Newman, Redford, McQueen, Eastwood and Gibson existing in hollywood today. No I can't either because they'd never be given a single role, the millions of morons today would be offended by everything they represented. Chris Hemsworth and pals AKA the watered down versions of those fuckin legends will also go extinct one day because of how offended by masculinity "modern audience's" now are.

[@incorectulpolitic]

Back when I used to reddit, I made a post asking people what would they say if they had to convince someone to come here and be their kid? The catch was, whatever was omitted was sure to happen. Surprise surprise, no one had shit to say. It's crazy because there's this subreddit about the earth being a prison planet and even with that perspective people were still saying they'd have kids. It was remarkably unbelievable. I'm like "why would you bring people to prison on purpose?" Makes no sense. I understand not having come to that awareness yet, but once you do...how in tf can you justify cursing someone?? They'd say "it's better we have the kids so we can tell them the truth about this prison planet" and I'd say "so you're going to bring someone to prison just so you can tell them they're in prison? How about don't bring them to prison at all?" People kill me. Selfish desires apparently override sensibility; nothing new under the sun, I guess. '#[]

[@prodyung829]

It's not that masculine women are bad is that a lot of masucline women take it overboard and be too argumentative, combative, nonagreeable. What man would want that? none! Most men a long day at work when I come to a nice warming loving wife not some argumentative woman.

[@gabrielmartins-xt6rx]

@@prodyung829 If they want to write women like that, no problem, my problem is with the double standard of chatising men for certain characteristics and praising the same ones when it's on a woman. If being angry and agressive is bad on a man, the same should be aplied to women, at least make the effort to be consistent on your views.

[@mabaker]

Unless Mikhalia doing it and nice guys fawning on her.

[@The-Last-Prime]

It's funny, they don't want men to stereotype them and yet they sterotype men.

[@chasehedges6775]

Hypocrisy and irony knows no bounds or limits

[@LarryBonson]

The stereotype plans into the moral high ground by them blocking any stereotypes of them while stereotypes us gives them the moral high ground advantage.

[@sew_gal7340]

The weird thing is that modern writers hate men but create female characters with all the stereotypes and tropes of strong male characters....so strange and weird. There's also nothing wrong with feminine women, in fact feminine women are possibly more powerful than masculine men as one requires brute strength while the others require mental finesse.

[@abodieqwerty4678]

@@sew_gal7340 masculine men aren't all brute strenght.

[@jadedforeman1503]

It's almost like they're just scumbags with a chip on their collective shoulders instead of real idealogues.

[@aurallistine]

Men want to watch strong male characters, women want to watch strong male characters; who are they trying appeal to?!

[@jefferyjeff7132]

It’s a Chinese psyop

[@easygoingperson8787]

They’re trying to appeal to snowflakes, teenagers, and maybe even adult idiots too.

[@aurallistine]

@@easygoingperson8787 I'm a teenager and I would never watch this woke stuff

[@tavaresemanuel640]

@@Neddinator Leave Forrest Gump out of this, don't give them any ideas. Pretty sure they would find a way to consider Forrest Gump toxic.

[@rekik2936]

@@aurallistine W.

[@Notanymore715]

My father told me this once as a kid "dont change a perfectly normal tire, it will just waste your time" bless him

[@TheSektorz]

Can't write men, can't write women, can't write people..... Can't write humor, can't write good wholesome messages... Basically modern movies suck because investors are telling Disney, Netflix, HBO Max and the rest to hire writers and directors based on their tweets, not on skills or experience.

[@jimmyb79]

Completely agree

[@petriew2018]

ironically they can't write women either anymore.... they work way to hard to make them all dudes....

[@need-to-know-]

They just suck at writing anything but their signature on checks.

[@r3altalangodfrey39]

EXCUSE ME....EXCUSE ME, SIR! How else do you expect US to do the gr3atres3t, if we, at vanguard, state street and black rock and our overlord from the WEF/davos doesn't guide Disney, Netflix and HBO Max to the right way of things, like agenda 2o3o....y'all didn't even the shot, so we can't even do the Georgia Guildstones. what do you want US to do, dammit?

[@perry92964]

if the investors are woke then they want a woke project, no investor is going to risk money on something they think might fail unless they need a huge tax right off.

[@SheldonAdama17]

“I’m surrounded by a lot of women in this department. And that includes the men” - Ron Swanson

[@the-real-Lovefist]

Couldn’t have said it better myself

[@deadman4231]

As expected, the bot links to a video about how to make pizza

[@SirWeedBongVentura]

Every day I put my feet on the floor, I know I am soon to walk amidst the parasites.

[@SeraphsWitness]

I love how Ron was meant to be some outrageous parody, but he ends up making more sense than anyone on the show.

[@MrJC1]

@@deadman4231 yes but... its the full video of how to make it. 🤣🤣🤣

[@jaffa3717]

It feels like creative writing is in its dark age. Not just in films and shows, but in games aswell

[@sisigs4820]

The entire entertainment industry is suffering from this. It's a mix of what you mentioned and the rise of corporatism and the product no longer being made to please the customer, but to milk the customer of all they got.

[@kingwolf396]

Videogames still got it but yea, a lot of the triple A and even some double A level games are either stale, uninteresting, or lazy

[@englishdogs]

Most men like strong male characters; most women like strong male characters, but no... we can't have them anymore, can we?

[@darnit1944]

Most men and women like strong female characters. We just don't like flawless Mary Sues without weaknesses.

[@Attmay]

Gay men want and NEED them more than anyone else. They have been systematically destroying everything Gay MEN like since the end of the 1960s. First movie musicals, then disco, now our bodies.

[@hikkamorii]

@@darnit1944 strong characters, no matter your or character's gender are aspiring. Issue is that writing actual strong characters is difficult, and may be misunderstood by certain people.

[@DiederikHuys]

Yeah well Terminator managed to combine both strong male AND female characters in one franchise. Who could have known! @@darnit1944

[@darnit1944]

@@DiederikHuys By franchise you mean T1, T2, and Salvation right?

[@chucksenhowzen9740]

Doesn’t help when the “modern” writers discard the source material & just write about their lives like RoP, She Hulk, Willow, and most fantasy genres today

[@Icetea-2000]

@hope. Don’t like that comment you absolute tools, it’s a bot as well

[@theinnerlight8016]

She-hulk is pretty much the worst thing ever trying to get away as a TV show.

[@Pointman11111]

@@theinnerlight8016 why?

[@bearjuncture]

And now Velma

[@maestrogeicho]

She Hulk is literally the most comic accurate MCU entry to date.

[@O-M-0]

Seeing that quote from Feige where the entire character of Doctor Strange was reduced down to simply "white male" really exemplifies the problems with the current creative scene. Writers genuinely seem to care more about the race and gender of a character than any of their other traits.

[@liamphibia]

Audiences and even die-hard fans would've loved seeing Stephan make an appearance in WandaVision!

[@twobighams]

Yea, just like I don't deduce Benedict Cumberbatch is a terrible actor because of his attempt (or lack thereof) of a Boston accent in Black Mass. He's a pretty good actor, but christ that was bad.

[@Pointman11111]

I hate that he said Its so dumb but still i don't believe that it was a story reason why he didn't appear We know the Pandemic messed up almost every MCU movie and series The finale of WandaVision felt rushed and like many plot points weren't resolved

[@ohnosmoarlulcatz]

Doctor Strange also got mansplained by America Chavez.

[@MrGhosta5]

He could have just lied and said Benedict Cumberbatch had a scheduling conflict and couldn't make the filming.

[@tromboneman4517]

My personal biggest grievance is the abandonment of good vs. evil. There IS evil that needs to be destroyed. Not every story needs shades of gray, only a compelling villain that needs destruction.

[@honkhonk8009]

Yeah. They try to humanize evil cus they think it adds depth, but only makes it fucking goofy lol.

[@ComfyCherry]

so long as they don't feel the need to show the bad guy doing something evil to constantly remind us "hey, this guy, you hate him right?" by doing shit like killing off their own people and abusing people, those kinds of characters are too shallow to care about. Bad guy is bad, is one of the most annoying things a story can do. right behind this racist sexist shit pervasive in modern media.

[@tommyhawk2065]

Well you can blame shows like Sopranos, GoT, Breaking Bad, The Shield, and pretty much Tarantino as well. One thing personally for me at least that was bad coming out of the 90s and the early 2000s was the obsession with 'understandable bad guy'.

[@avrahamzucker2605]

Be sure that good and evil get always twisted with Hollywood

[@danielbadillo8334]

I think it's perfectly fine to have both types of characters. One of the reasons why Avatar the Last Airbender is one of my favorite shows is that it has three types of villains. Zuko is the initial conflicted villain with a redemption arc, Azula is the complex psychopath and Ozai is just a simple evil villain that must be stopped. It's pretty cool that they explored all of those different angles.@@tommyhawk2065

[@Whaddayamean13]

They hate women too. They've taken this "ain't no damsel in distress" concept too far to the point where these female characters aren't compelling at all. I don't think they realize that characters who are seriously flawed are MORE interesting not less. Female characters can't be feminine or beautiful or graceful anymore because we think that's weak now. No it's not. Women have their own strong traits that are different from men. It's the balance of masculine and feminine that makes it work: one can't work without the other.

[@viniciusvalois2634]

No matter the time or age, modern or old-school TV and movies, there is a pattern that always repeats flawlessly: Male-oriented productions show men as being strong, badass, creative, brainy, focused, adventurous and ambitious but always portraying women in the same positive light of an "ideal companionship"; on the other hand, female-oriented productions always are an obligatory shitstorm of "fem power everywhere, males are abusive monsters or weakling idiots". That's why I prefer movies from the mid-1990s and backwards (Sean Connery's James Bond is an impeccable classic), because they valued and respected men above anything without limiting them to "walking penises or mindless killing machines".

[@petee1968]

Hollywood just hates characters, period.

[@linsqopiring6816]

That's not hating women that's when trying to make them superior to men goes wrong.

[@linsqopiring6816]

@@viniciusvalois2634 Very astute observations. IT's not turning the tables. The tables were never so lop sided.

[@ms-ht1cj]

Because "women traits" are not respected, it's no wonder no one wants to be described like this. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@KFP_Fanboy]

they’ll never write better movies than the kung fu panda movies

[@NateTheGreat368]

Based

[@rubydearest]

A classic

[@KFP_Fanboy]

but other movies are good too, i love marvel, star wars, dc, indiana jones, karate kid, terminator (first 2 only), and robocop

[@AverageJoe19848]

Astronomically based

[@kevinonyedikachukwu564]

A classic

[@Falconlibrary]

I'm shocked to learn that people who went straight from their parents' suburban mansions to Ivy League schools and then into a coveted job writing scripts don't know anything about men, about women, about life. Who could've seen that coming?

[@professorbaxtercarelessdre1075]

ikr, what a shocker lol

[@reapordeath]

*stirs coffee with a stirring stick* Ya don' say??? 👁👄👁

[@daniels848]

capitalism baby

[@SUPREMELEGEND]

Do you really think that's what's happening here? I think it's far more likely that the powers that be are purposely destroying masculinity in film by making the movies bad on purpose.

[@warlock_r]

@@SUPREMELEGEND Why? I'm honestly curious to the reason they'd want to make bad movies.

[@maskedvillainai]

Ironically this all began with a push for more open mental health discussion and the expectations of men seen as weak for sharing any emotion. But they exploited it. And it became something completely fallacious

[@Lighthammer18]

I think Aragorn is a good example of a male character that isn't stoic to the point of being ice cold and not overly emotional either. He can lop the heads off orcs and then sing poetry after.

[@Justin-ic4co]

The main, massive problem I have with modern Luke Skywalker is with his immediate character. Obi-wan in the original trilogy praised him for his insight, "Your insight serves you well." NO WHERE in the new movies does Luke even have much less use this gift. He shows none of the characteristics from his younger version. One could argue that he had a really tough time and all his padawans were killed ok sure blah blah, but the point of insight is to understand something so clearly that a realization dawns upon you. For example, when he figured out that Leia is his sister or at the VERY END OF THE OT when he looks upon Vader and sees he has cyborg parts. He realizes that what he's about to do will make him the Emperor's apprentice so he STOPS. You expect me to believe that after seeing Ben fall to the dark side he's just gonna say, "oh well, guess the dark side wins. GG". No. Absolutely, no. He would have done literally anything else than sit on the sidelines waiting for death. The writers completely FUCKED his character. #notmyluke

[@tomsmithie3917]

Can't have a smart male character who doesn't lose to a woman at some point.

[@Pointman11111]

A few are still there

[@southcoastinventors6583]

Doesn't matter any more with the AI coming down the pipeline will be able to make all the mainly movie for cheap, so just enjoy the comedy.

[@natebowman7593]

Your white armor has arrived, Sir Simpalot.

[@jasonrhodes9683]

Poor Chris Himsworth, they have been casting him as the buffoon, in most of his movies of the last 6 or so years.

[@Skitdora2010]

My mom cheats at board games so everybody lost to her each time. You could even play Clue and she would not have shared that she had the wrench in her hand. The you call it and open the envelope and it was the damn rope and she would have a sheepish smile.

[@honkiavelli8044]

This video summarizes why "Top Gun Maverick" did extremely well at the box office. People were yearning for a strong, male lead with all the traditional throwback hero values, so this movie provided them with those.

[@Akashi-js6rx]

It also genuinely felt like a story actually waiting to be told, rather than a shoehorned shitty sequel that's really just a retcon of the whole series to bring the spotlight on an unlikable wahman cuz how dare the main lead be a guy. You could logically see the story of TG2 carry over from the original, a major dynamic being letting go of historical baggage respectfully and making amends in the present with his deceased buddy's son.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Also practical effects looked awesome.

[@wordoftheday7650]

Top Gun Maverick was successful for the same reason Micheal Bay movies are, it was military propaganda

[@honkiavelli8044]

@@wordoftheday7650 you must be fun at parties...

[@wordoftheday7650]

@@honkiavelli8044 I mean this is a video whining about how men aren’t stoic anymore, as if that’s like an attack on men… which is pretty ironic, because that comes off as whining to me

[@GordoFabulous]

What else is lacking from modern media? Sons. Seriously, pay attention to commercials, and see how long it takes you to find two instances of a man and his son having a positive interaction. I haven't paid much attention to movies, but I am going to start paying more attention there.

[@honkhonk8009]

That is so fucking true bruh. I have literally never seen a son in a modern commercial before. Their all daughters. It feels like some weird 2012 thing seeing an actual son in a commercial.

[@XVXC-M8]

@@honkhonk8009 wdym 2012 thing?

[@darnit1944]

Especially for black people. I saw a video of Terry Crews and his son bonding over games and it warms my heart. If black empowerment is so important, why not create movies about an awesome black dad who loves his family more than ever, amirite?

[@rosabellavitaalvarez-calde5836]

The Mandalorian, even the weakest chapters, are a perfectly wonderful depiction of a father-son relationship.

[@user-ey9ww3wb8s]

Many fathers go get milk and never return. Now we see the shift in society. It took 30 years.

[@generfeld]

Watching old movies from the 40s-80s is very eye opening and entertaining. The strong silent types, carry a big stick, etc. being in control and powerful but not immature about it. respectful, etc.

[@ThatGuy-ji1bs]

When they constantly feel the need to make male characters look bad in order for the female characters to look good, do they not realise that it's really a sign of insecurity & weakness. Genuinely strong women can stand with men & have no desire to be against them like this. It's also a terrible message to send for both men & women.

[@chasehedges6775]

NAILED IT!

[@hungryowl1559]

Their idea of a strong woman is weird as well. Theyre not annoying and going out of their way to be little the men around them. My boss is a woman and she has no need to belittle any of the men around her and she is well respected as someone who is calm and collected. Assertive when needed to be. Also lets us do our jobs with out constant check ins or displays of power.

[@ruutjormun2262]

@@hungryowl1559 check out women in ground construction jobs. Well loved because of their relative femininity but also capability to pull her load in ways alternate to physical strength. starting out however, they're the butt end of 101 sexual jokes, which if they take well, they become part of the camaraderie

[@lizardkid666]

@@hungryowl1559 than I thank god it’s not Cartimandus a straight up Celtic traitor, to the Romans over her own people

[@pauperslament3467]

Terrible message is the agenda.

[@jblackly]

After hearing it so many times, "made for a modern audience" translates in my mind as "the beatings will continue until morale improves."

[@taags]

Its just code for marxist propaganda.

[@LoveratLoves]

That was the comment I was originally going to make until I read yours =) It's the absolute truth.

[@dairoleon2682]

"And then they will continue."

[@stevenscott2136]

"Made for self-absorbed whiners, weaklings, parasites, and losers".

[@samblack5313]

😂😂

[@TobyKarelian-rn3ns]

Speaking of stoicism, a Finnish director Aki Kaurismäki uses that trope in his films not just on men but on women too. This is one of those simple yet subtle methods to make strong female characters without losing valuation towards men.

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

Stoicism and women don't make sense though. I've never met a woman in real life who is genuinely stoic. It's just not in their biology.

[@TobyKarelian-rn3ns]

@@thelegacyofgaming2928 Go to Finland. People there are quiet, maybe introverted but stoic and determined.

[@VarunK-ii8eb]

​@@TobyKarelian-rn3nsMen are more stoic.

[@TobyKarelian-rn3ns]

@@VarunK-ii8eb Of course they are. I'm not a moron. I'm just advertising my home country over here.

[@TobyKarelian-rn3ns]

@@thelegacyofgaming2928 Same to you.

[@user-xg6yc8ho3w]

The writers aren't incapable of depicting strong, smart, and capable men characters. They are told not to. The real reason for this movement is to weaken men psychologically and socially. Because a powerful lion of a man who thinks critically and for himself is the most dangerous thing to the powers that are trying to control this world.

[@byhxlau]

You mean incapable women?

[@johnhodgdon2434]

I have seldom seen a man look more depressed than Mark Hammill sitting next to Ryan Johnson in that press conference.

[@CrazyMazapan]

And how obvious it was that Hamill is one of those strong men from the past, sitting next to a woke worm

[@dragonforks93]

He knew that he was trapped in a faustian bargain with Disney

[@ImperativeGames]

@@dragonforks93 The story about modern Disney belongs to old Disney movies ^^ With it being the evil corporation, the main antagonist of course.

[@veramae4098]

President Zelensky slumped in a chair next to President Trump, I think hit "max" on the depression scale. Congress had approved the money but Trump refused to disburse it unless Ukraine helped him frame Hunter Biden. And Zelensky refused.

[@silencedmaxim5889]

The heavy breathing says it all

[@rmwf8836]

When a character is stoic, it makes their emotional outbursts that much more impactful. If Captain Hero Man is shown to be stoic in almost every situation, but weep at his mother's grave, we know something important about him. If he cries at everything, who cares if he weeps at his mother's grave. He cried because a kitten meowed

[@bluecoin3771]

It’s the reason why the ending to Schindler’s List was so impactful. He earned that emotional scene after all that had happened. “Why did I keep this car, I could’ve saved ten more lives.”

[@3dfreak2000]

It reminds me to Brendan Fraser in the Bedazzled remake, where one of his multiple characters was an overly sensitive and emotional man that was crying for everything.😭😭😭

[@mb8132]

Yes, this point resonates with me a lot. A great example for this is First Blood. Rambo endures everything thrown at him while the movie makes it clear he's having severe PTSD attacks but only at the end he finally breaks down emotionally, which is one of the biggest emotional payoffs in cinema.

[@CommanderTato]

@@bluecoin3771 he saved 60 millions or it were 6 or 600 million? 🙄

[@mr.sinjin-smyth]

The game Watch Dogs had a classic stoic male character which critics called as generic, but was more memorable than anything the series has done since. Watch Dogs 2 had a forgettable hipster type.

[@timothycody2270]

Movies are made by unhappy, emotionally disturbed people who aren't trying to be normal.

[@dragonslayermasterornstein83]

The concept of a stoic man teaching a toxic boss girl about humblization would be incredibly interesting to watch. I mean think about it, The stoic man executes their actions night perfectly to show how experienced he is at what he does meanwhile the bossgirl keeps ln fumbling on trying to replicate the stoic man slowly realizing she has talents of her own that contributes as well. On topic of the fact that the bossgirl would yell at the stoic man until he simply responds with. "You're not acting like your age y'know." Before the boss girl screams again while the stoic man remains unphased. Would actually watch that.

[@loodog555]

Kill Bill, Vol. 2.

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

The stoic man (male, singular) executes his* actions. Looks like you fell for "non-toxic" grammar yourself😉.

[@The_Mighty_Fiction]

Do you mean 'humility?'

[@aikalabe7719]

This comment is a mess

[@batmospheric]

“You can’t have male mentors teaching women anything of value.” I actually love that you addressed this, growing up as a girl all of my on-screen heroes were men. Not because I disliked the women or that they were underrepresented, but I preferred the stoicism you’re talking about. I also watched chick-flicks with my mum of course and loved the feeling of being accepted simply because of belonging to the ‘girls club’ and female solidarity, but that felt more like learning social responsibility whereas I formed my individual sense of responsibility from what I saw from men on-screen and my dad. Who I am as a person today, and my work ethic and how I interact with others, are influenced by both genders, this modern idea that one side only is valid is equal to cutting off a leg and saying you prefer to be unbalanced instead of whole

[@sup9542]

You mention you had a good dad, that's why you're not with the movement. My theory is most of the craziness is coming from people who didn't have a dad, who grew up with a single mother who taught them that men are trash, that their dad was a deadbeat and good riddance. Unfortunately we're continuing to trend in that direction where there are more kids growing up without a dad. Marriage rates are going down but women are still going to have babies. Men are increasingly considered unnecessary.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@sup9542 This Show, as Upper Echelon points out, is MEANT to be bad, so it generates Hateclicks. They WANT Engagement, so stop engaging.

[@lesserspottedmugwump.363]

There are some great chick flicks. When Harry met sally, sleepless in Seattle. Ghost, dirty dancing. A good film is a good film. I’m a 40 year old 6’9” hairy dude. I watch Sex in the city once every 2 years. Miranda really resonates with me. A single parent with a high stress job. The person who said men can’t identify with a female character recently, can’t remember who it was, has obviously never asked any men.

[@batmospheric]

@@sup9542 that’s the scariest thing, not necessarily. I do think that people without a dad or even a good male role model fall victim to these shenanigans, but my (older) siblings have as well. Although I will say that they got snagged up *after* cutting off our dad for how he voted, so that’s an interesting correlation for sure, that I never really thought about before

[@batmospheric]

@@lesserspottedmugwump.363 oh wow, it’s so cool to hear this! I never really heard much growing up about men relating to women characters, so I didn’t think about it in my original comment, but you’re totally right. That director clearly forgets that men throughout history have praised and acknowledged women many times as inspirational

[@Guh_roomer_Gravedigger]

I'm a single dad and I home school my son and I found a group of mainly women who do the same and we get the kids together about twice a week and do it together. We where just chatting one day and the topic of movies came up and I was genuinely surprised when pretty much all the women in our group made the same complaints about men in movies and how they where just sick and tired of the, in their words " absolute stupidity of the female characters being so over powered and the men having to be so weak to make them look good". I took my son to see Maverick and he loved it, when we did the next group event my son went on and on about it to the other kids, the Mums thought it would be good to take their kids and invited us as well and they all loved it.

[@Aurora-313]

Glad to hear you had that positive experience, mate. Hope the mums and kids in your playgroup enjoy it too. :)

[@thehydrationman5500]

The good ending

[@Keirnoth]

Maverick is like the last man standing in a sea of sht movies that hate men.

[@maximusaralieous1728]

Not surprised to see that people who home school their kids would agree on this. Typically people home school because they do not like the school systems or what is being taught in school, so they are already more aware of these problems than most. Glad to see though, more people who notice, the more the push back will begin. I don't know if you are in the US, I suppose the 'mums' part of your comment makes me want to clarify that, but since Trump has been kicked out and everyone isn't hysterically fight each other politically, a lot of the moderates that were so upset with Trump have also begun to see the cultural shifts being pushed by the progressive left. A natural push back is starting to happen, though not as forceful as it needs to be yet.

[@mehitablestorm8877]

Real women love strong men. It's natural. Men are there to protect women, children, the family and society. And we women know when we're presented with phony female heroes who couldn't really do any of the things they're shown doing. Like "Lady" Thor. Such a load of crap.

[@VVilla-zh5mw]

As a woman myself I really hate Hollywood's "WOKE" era !!!

[@enjoyyoursleep1]

The deconstruction of the male, both on screen and off, is no accident. Awesome work! Subed!

[@midnightflare9879]

In a modern movie, when everyone starts yelling, you know this's are getting serious... In a classic movie, when everyone goes silent, you know the freaking sky's gonna fall down!

[@georgebailey8179]

@Jack Smith Why are you spamming that comment in multiple places? And can you please give a single example of something the Drinker hated that was actually worth watching?

[@georgebailey8179]

@Jack Smith Look up the definition of spamming. And from your inability to name one thing the Drinker hated that was worth watching, I take it that you can't name any. I'm beginning to doubt that you've ever watched a Drinker video, rather than just spamming obvious nonsense in the chat.

[@joggerman8455]

@@georgebailey8179 Not agreeing with that loser at all but I'm pretty sure drinker didn't like new Tomb Raider movie but I thought it was fun and enjoyable. That's the only instance that I've disagreed with him.

[@treysabre2943]

@Jack Smith Why are you arguing like a child? The adults are talking.

[@JPG.01]

@@joggerman8455 Something can be bad, yet enjoyable. You subjective enjoyment has absolutely nothing to do with the objective quality of something. Nobody will agree if I were to boldly proclaim the lie that the Star Wars Prequels are good movies. But I enjoy the hell out of them. I like all of them. I prefer the originals but never disliked the prequels.

[@thiefthearcher9907]

I think one of my favorite scenes ever came from the first X-Men movies when Wolverine is just talking to Rogue in the car. She asks if it hurts when he pops his claws out, and he doesn’t go any further than saying “every time”. I like the simple and short responses, followed by the brief bits of silence in films. Let’s them linger.

[@thiefthearcher9907]

@Chad 007 Thanks, bro.

[@thiefthearcher9907]

@Chad 007 Okay, you got me. XD

[@Volkbrecht]

This is something I realised when first watching Star Wars 7. I was enraged by how bad and badly copied the movie was from the original, but I was also unsure if I may not have been fooled by my fond memories. So after getting home frome the theatre, I rewatched Part 4, and boy what a contrast. Lucas in his day managed to convey so much more by doing so much less.

[@nelisezpasce]

I was gonna say "Bryan Singer may be persona non grata..." But maybe that little moment that stuck with you is all thanks to David Hayter X-Men sounds nice (perhaps they won't even call it that anymore as it's "non-inclusive") I really hope they don't hijack that franchise just to keep us even more divided Stay vigilant, treasure your loved ones, be ready to let go and all that...

[@wojak-sensei6424]

That's not just a male acting thing, that's a movie thing in of itself. A mix of creative visual storytelling and solid acting to immerse yourself in that situation. If Logan just spilled every detail nonchalantly, then the potential for your audience to be intrigued diminishes. Men in general have this natural mastery to physical storytelling, and that they can convey a lot of information just with a few gestures and subtle expressions with little to no words. Just look at Sean Connery's James Bond to study on how a true *actor* portrays a suave, capable, and calculating man just with a few scenes of witty dialogue. Key word: *act.* He acts like a man, talks like a man, and thinks like a man. That's why when I see decent male actors act like immature, insecure dolts in media, I see it as a waste of talent.

[@enfieldjohn101]

This is so true! It's getting to the point that I don't want to watch new shows anymore. I can't stand what filmmakers are doing to male characters and favorite series now.

[@Garland042]

Having clint Eastwood in a video...even for a split second is more manly and badadss than anything Hollywood can muster...

[@adamdrouin2295]

It's hard to write in good male characters when modern society considers them "toxic"

[@Ghost_Text]

We're on the cusp of a civilization where machinery proposes to erase concepts of merit and living on ones own terms for a dependent society. Men (though not exclusively) symbolize independence and earned merit. So to make a population docile, those icons would have to be taken out.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@Ghost_Text That’s terrifying, tbh. It’s the equivalent of erasing the historical past and rewriting it in order make it better than it actually was.

[@markro1049]

@@Ghost_Text Yes, this is the objetive of all this circus. Young, strong, stoic and ambitious males present the biggest danger to the ruling class. Making them weak and submissive is a way to keep power.

[@pyropulseIXXI]

It isn't hard to write them at all. Modern society does not consider them toxic at all. An extremely small subset consider that, and these people are in Hollywood and academia pushing their fringe beliefs as if they were fact.

[@pyropulseIXXI]

@@chasehedges6775 Dude, the establishment rewrites the historical past to make it seem worse than it really was. You got it totally backwards

[@callanhutchison1871]

The Drinker’s grave stone is just gunna say “Go away now!”

[@chasehedges6775]

He’ll go out like a legend! 😎

[@alphacat9302]

Right after date of death: 'went away then'

[@bdb1052]

lol nice, either that or "nah it'll be fine"

[@Slyarno2795]

When he does ill stick around.

[@johngavin3180]

@@bdb1052 I was thinking that might be an alternative too.

[@moltenbullet]

I remember pausing at a team meeting at work, for about 2 seconds, letting the silence linger after another team member had spoken, to let myself think befoee responding, and i got called out by a woman for "power playing". I was the only man in my entire department, so perhaps that was the issue.

[@davidward2651]

Yikes

[@djphoenix1366]

The crime you commit was taking a moment to think? XD

[@Nickpetronio]

@@djphoenix1366but I thought us men wouldn’t do stuff like think! (Insert sarcasm)

[@richardphelps2091]

As with all your videos, this is awesome! It's been 3 months and I'm waiting expectantly for Part 2.

[@jeffboughtin5529]

This is why Top Gun: Maverick was so successful. It was one of very few recent movies that showed a positive, successful man.

[@Nimbereth]

My favorite movie of the year beside The Northman.

[@Stevarooni]

Peggy was his muse at one point, pushing him back to help his team, but he was still the hero.

[@tmo_117]

Agreed it was such a breath of fresh air, men dealing with hard times and hard moments but still pushing through finding the strength to be heroic and love, while also being smart for once and outsmarting the enemy. Compared to well…man he’s dumb and sexist where is his woman or diverse set of characters to correct him

[@harshitnarang136]

Definitely not. It was more glamorous than stoic. Beach bodies, cool haircuts, cool wardrobe, etc.

[@guyderagisch4964]

That film got Navy politics to a T.

[@Dubz759]

Thank god there’s someone with an audience that is calling this out.

[@scottbilger9294]

Too little, too late.

[@stevem2323]

@@scottbilger9294 Yep, considering who is pushing this and how.

[@self-proclaimedanimator]

We need more shows like JoJo's or Games like Tf2 We need more Hot Buff Oily Men Not cringe Woman

[@spider-man9118]

reject lust, embrace God Also, we have evidence for biblical events, if anyone is interested

[@ChaNnArD-mD]

I heard the next 007 is going to be a drag queen

[@markmorrise]

One of the reasons that I really like Disney’s Andor series is the positive way that it portrays both the male and female characters.

[@johnrider3749]

James Bond is dead, Indiana Jones is now a frail weak frightened confused old man who just wants to die, Luke Skywalker became grumpy old drunk who just wanted to die, Is it me or is there a trend forming here ,

[@alexhussinger3550]

Top Gun: Maverick being the highest gross of 2022 is really quite telling with regards to this. Its one of the few "Decades later remakes" where it feels like the writers actually liked the original movie and character and wanted to explore that more, as opposed to wanting to tear them down and destroy them for the audacity of being more popular than modern crap.

[@nataliamundell6266]

I'm not really into top gun but I agree with your assessment

[@ogredev]

I think Tom Cruise only accepts roles where the same plot structure is: 1. Toms character is damn good at whatever he is, maybe the best. 2. But his ego gets him in trouble and he is almost destroyed. 3. A woman talks some sense into him and builds him back up. 4. Tom returns and wins. Sure there are a few exceptions but this really does explain most of his movies.

[@mantabond]

Perhaps this was helped by the fact that Tom Cruise had quite a lot more control and love for the character. Unlike, I dunno, a certain Daniel Craig.

[@gooble69]

I never really like Tom Cruise much, but it's clear from the Top Gun remake that he is aware of what is going on and was determined to resist it. And for that I give him a lot of credit. Many many other A-listers weren't so smart.

[@magtinfal7908]

Avatar 2 surpassed it

[@Mitra131]

It's funny how we went from not knowing how to write women to not knowing how to write people

[@elinfini]

And then, the logical conclusion: not knowing how to write, period.

[@nutbastard]

"How do you write women so well?" "I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability."

[@murrothbro195]

They wrote women pretty well up until pretty recently though...

[@Tethloach1]

how writing evolved, natural progression Gods Myths Heros Men Women Children? Pets? Plants? Robots?

[@andrewnix6480]

@@nutbastardWtf is that supposed to mean

[@jakechimiak9416]

We need a part 2

[@jennyk9748]

You always articulate these very nuanced and complicated issues so well.

[@lucasliaskos]

Hence the reason Top Gun: Maverick had such a massive success. It had an old school written male character.

[@brianmurphy250]

And the success of Yellowstone on tv.

[@spagsunfiltered]

@Brian Murphy fuck yes! Rip is one of the only real men on TV. Fantastic character!

[@princessmarlena1359]

Agreed

[@shiny_swan]

A depiction of man that isn't the ones depicted by college freshman feminist pigs

[@ryanchristophergavan80]

What was well done in that film was the addition of diversity with subtlety. Female and BAME pilots were in the story but they were just all great aviators. Show, don’t tell.

[@WidebodyLotty]

Speaking of Emily Blunt, I believe her husband was an excellent male character in the first A Quiet Place movie. He was a capable patriarch. He led his family. A great father. Intelligent. Resourceful. Brave. And he ultimately sacrificed himself to save his family. A sort of throwback male character.

[@pawsomelabrastead9244]

Unfamiliar with whatever is being referred to about her, hopefully if its bad that Cruise can reel her in for the Edge of Tomorrow sequel they've been working on.

[@Kylesb]

@@pawsomelabrastead9244 I don’t know if it’s Cruise & Blunt’s interaction or some more recent news regarding Blunt, but on the first point- Blunt noted in some form of an interview that Edge of Tomorrow was physically (and probably mentally) exhausting, and the war suit was heavy. In short, she hit a low point on set, said something a bit negative, and Cruise jumped in and basically told her to man up; it caught her off-guard, but she by no means was offended by his comment.

[@durinV]

He wasn't, he ignored the little one after he almost got the family killed, both parents allow him to walk at the end when he should have being in the middle of the group, got killed because he didn't have enough tools to distract the monsters

[@pawsomelabrastead9244]

@@Kylesb Oh yeah, I did read about that. Poor thing making millions to feel equality occasionally.

[@tathagatchaturvedi5447]

Being a patriarch is not something one should aspire to be

[@MrMurphyX]

One of the many examples where they demonstrate hatred towards men and masculinity is in the series The Boys, particularly in the third season.

[@sankalpsuryavanshi4788]

Suddenly all women are good and men are evil

[@2012sonora]

I do not get the love that The Boys got. It is a breathtakingly hateful show.

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

@@2012sonora The only thing hateful about the Boys is the ancient cliché that the evil did not start with American corporations, but with WW2 nazis.

[@fromthecheapseats7126]

I don’t get why Critical Drinker likes “The Boys.”

[@GigaChadh976]

@@fromthecheapseats7126he appreciated how fresh season 1 felt.

[@djsturm685]

Perfect analysis !! Congratulations for the good work, continue !!!

[@dcfear8862]

I've been noticing this for about 10 years now and every time I bring it up to my family they get on my case and call me sexist. It's getting ridiculous.

[@ItsOlDino]

They are brainwashed

[@simpdefendmlady6579]

They are misandrists

[@gregorgerzson1767]

"Sexist" - as an eastern-european, I literally never heard a person with brain using this word. Even if we were mocking females for something they just called us jerk and we all laugh.

[@piip4]

Sounds like they are projecting. It's no doubt they are the sexists holding such an opinion on men.

[@simpdefendmlady6579]

@Gregor Gerzson Eastern European here. I've mocked the media and normies used that word to describe them every time they complained about female struggles while completely ignoring or denying male struggles

[@greenarrow219]

I remember a James Bond movie where M describes Bond as a dinosaur of a different Era, yet in reality he is exactly what is needed to fix the current crisis. We need that in modern entertainment.

[@trackerjacker5467]

Of course, his recent change in character IS pretty understandable; I mean, you live a life like his, you see and go through the shit he has, after a while it takes a toll.

[@spacemann1425]

That scene was in 1995. The point of that scene wasn't to put down James Bond.

[@greenarrow219]

@@spacemann1425 1995, better times.

[@TheMaulam12345]

no worry honey. next bond will question about his sexuality and his skill color while fighting climax change

[@greenarrow219]

@@TheMaulam12345 can't wait😄

[@skybesky]

Hi Man, I'm glad I found your channel. For years, I know that something is very wrong with cinematography, but it was difficult to name it. After watching your video, all make so much sense. I wish you could be the man that all movie producers need to ask for permission to release anything. Thanks

[@particularbored6072]

I've used the "commercial idiotic male" trope for about well over a decade now as one example of accepted sexism. Usually met with sighs and eye rolls. It was deeply satisfying to hear it pointed out here.

[@CyberLance26]

From my experience most people dont notice changes in the media and society and how people view and think about things at all and thinks you are just weird and crazy if you mention that kind of stuff to them. Most people also seems to be completely blind to double standards. Most people seriously only seems to be able to notice and see things if the mainstream media talk about it a lot.

[@honkhonk8009]

Then these same clowns act surprised when male figures like Andrew Tate spring up outta nowhere lmfao.

[@nitroxylictv]

@@CyberLance26 because most people have an average IQ of 60 to 70, an average grade intelegence of 4th grade, and generally dont think for themselves most of the time

[@linsqopiring6816]

Accept and be ready for what I call the "poor baby" response. It will always always happen. Don't fear it, embrace it. You see it gives you license to not give an f about women crying about, whatever women cry about. And let them know it with a big smile on your face. Enthusiastically thank them for their "poor baby".

[@thatguy22441]

I've been noticing that since the 90s. Anyone who said anything but praise for misandrist content was branded a "sexist" and ruined. This was before the internet. Few men noticed it, fewer cared and very few were willing to say anything. It was a lonely time to be a red pill dude. Times are better now, far from perfect, but far better. At least now misandry can be pointed out without nearly as much fear of reprisal.

[@Leo-vd6cd]

In the summer of 2022, I had a call with an editor to publish a manuscript I’d written; the meeting went very well and it looked as if I’d be made an offer, then she pulled a fast one, her complaint moving forward were in two parts: one, the manuscript was too masculine. Second, if I wanted to move forward towards an offer, most of those toxic males would need to be adapted so that they represented the LGBTQ. At the time, it was a real low point, but it was also an eye opener. I learned the art truly is in trouble but also who I was in the face of that trouble. I politely declined, the offer never came, I’m still shopping the book around, at the very least I know where I stand. Thank you Mr. Critical Drinker you brilliant beast of intellectually, for reminding me with video essays like this: stay the course.

[@mr.overthink2179]

unrelated but nice Fate/Zero pfp, extremely underrated anime.

[@jmal]

Wow, even at the publishing level these people try to inject their woke nonsense. Nothing is sacred to them, it seems.

[@Sorain1]

It shows the rot, and means any publishing house that starts up and keeps such types out is going to do well long term. (Provided they do at least middling level business work.)

[@_Code_3]

Based, don’t sell your soul to these degenerates

[@RespectTheSourceMaterial]

In today's age it's easier than ever to self publish your work through amazon. I'd recommend taking the time to research how to do it in a smart way. Also In the Penguin Random House/S&S antitrust trial it was revealed that out of 58,000 trade titles published per year, half of those titles sell fewer than one dozen books. LESS THAN ONE DOZEN. Stop being depressed about this, half of these publishers will go under in the next 5 years, you don't want to be a part of that sinking ship.

[@RicardoSenzo]

Just came across your channel. Very impressive. Your drunken rants are both somehow strikingly coherent and insightful, despite the relentlessly torrential semantic verbosity with which they're articulated. New sub. I have a lot to catch up on.

[@michelleanderson5244]

13:19 My dad has been watching the old Columbo TV show from the 70s, and I gotta say I love the main character because he's just so... average, but in the best possible way. He's no underwear model. He fumbles with things in his pockets. He speaks courteously, even to the main suspects in murder cases. He doesn't have any kind of savant mental powers like most modern day detectives. But it's just so cathartic watching him slowly pick a case apart and expose the criminal.

[@brodel20]

The arch of the modern strong female character: Act I: SFC is unique and badass but no one knows it. Act II: SFC demonstrates how unique and badass she is, without any additional training, failure, or guidance. The conflict is people testing or disregarding her unique badassery. Act III: Everyone learns how uniquely badass SFC is!

[@adamalchemy2790]

😆😂🤣

[@Orozco_PNW]

‘Reyyyy!’

[@Troublechutor]

Writers who can't connect with the concept of working hard to become good/skilled/respected because everything was given to them based on their intersectionality scores are naturally going to struggle with women having to learn anything. Unless the women are written to be feminine, then they get to learn about feminism.

[@_BirdOfGoodOmen]

*Arc

[@xarityfan4370]

@R. P. it's weird how even feminists think femininity is weakness

[@manfrombritain6816]

Picard was one of the saddest. It felt like an utterly different person. From one of the absolute best and most aspirational characters to a doddering old simp

[@xposetruth5681]

Same here. It hurts my soul as that is my favorite show of all time. I refuse to watch that dumpster fire called Picard. It’s not canon.

[@jigawatt1.215]

@@xposetruth5681 If Patrick Stewart was tired and bored of playing Picard, he shouldn't have come back to the character. He butchered it because he wanted to do something different without thinking about his responsibility to the legacy of the character. The character just isn't his, several writers made the character what it was.

[@andrewblanchard2398]

PATRICK STEWART MADE BAD INVESTMENTS AND LOST A TON OF MONEY HE WAS FACING BANKRUPTCY AT 80 YEARS OLD UNLIKE TRUMP HE COULDN'T GET RUSSIA ISRAEL CHINA NORTH KOREA SAUDI ARABIA DEUTSCHE BANK TO GIVE HIM BILLIONS OF DOLLARS

[@michaelschmidt1101]

Sad but true

[@chrisbutlerart]

Picard was an absolute betrayal of everything the character ever was, and everything he ever stood for. Trek is stone cold dead.

[@plainchemicals]

Man you nailed it here. Have been seeing this happening for years. Anytime I try to watch a modern movie nowadays I'm left feeling flat and there's always some kind of social agenda they're forcing. Started watching a creature film the other day where a female tracker lead a group of male explorers to a dangerous location. I called it in the first 5 mins. She's going to be the only one to survive - and it was true. So predictable now. 20 years ago, one of these men would have protected her when danger struck - but not today. Can't have a man protecting a woman or that would affect the feminist agenda.

[@adamasylum1793]

@thecriticaldrinker still waiting on Pt. 2 mate! I loved this!

[@leedobson]

There's more manliness in two minutes of any Eastwood film of the 60's/70's than the entirety of anything made in the last ten years

[@specialk9424]

You could've left off "of the 60's/70's". Cause Clint ain't no bitch. He's 90 years old, and can still kick your ass, my ass, and the asses of our best friends.

[@hubertbevillard2576]

John Wick disagrees

[@falconmclenny7284]

"Get three coffins ready"

[@mikeseier4449]

@@hubertbevillard2576 john wick is a girl with a lot of ammo!..

[@beingsshepherd]

And racism frankly.

[@grunt6799]

I recently rewatched "No country for old men" Looking back we were spoiled with how good films used to be.

[@Mattblaze1477]

I recently watched Oliver Stones 'JFK'.........What a banger of a film that is. Joe Pesci as Dave Ferrie was so good its frightening......."A Triangular crossfire, That's the key, That's the key"

[@fredmeyer1044]

Incredibly depressing to look back at the 2000's (which wasn't too long ago) where constant quality entertainment was just normal and expected, here we are in 2010's/2020's world and you get 2 good things a year and people forget about them in a week

[@NineBreakerUIXB]

Don't put it in your pocket! It's your lucky quarter

[@davidc4996]

@@NineBreakerUIXB which it is , just a quarter

[@brightmamba889]

One of my top 10 personally probably a close favorite. So glad it wasn't poisoned with a netflix spinoff or sequel.

[@Dunebat]

I eagerly await Part 2!

[@fishgod7535]

This is why the John Wick movies are great. The characters are great and serve their purpose. They are not treated as dumbed-down characters or followers of diversity, they are just characters. Sure some characters may seem to be immortal like John or King, but they don't follow to anyone and instead they help each other in difficult situations to help them overcome adversity.

[@AceDramaBeats]

The first 2 were amazing! Especially the first one. The second two were okay.. the third was a bit modern. The fourth, could've used more dialogue and the ending could've been better.

[@nitroxylictv]

Hes a strong man who keeps fighting against evil even after he lost his true love, his pet dog and his favorite car. He puts everything in the past and moves forward, like a man is supposed to.

[@davidanderson_surrey_bc]

Well... Wick DOES leave behind a rather diverse assortment of corpses.

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

... and most of the "characters" just wait in line to be shot by JW or to have their guns taken away by him and then be shot.

[@stephjokey8269]

Hollywood vilifies men and wonders why the lose most of their audience

[@markro1049]

@@fvefve12 They are losing money, disney is making less revenue than before, at least with MCU products when taking into account marketing expenses and inflation. This isn't even mentioning the CEO situation. There have been rumors about big corporations financing "the message", if you believe them to be true or not is up to each individual.

[@markro1049]

@@fvefve12 Then we are fucked

[@TrashPanda90914]

@@fvefve12 we found the shill boys 😂

[@unwokeneuropean3590]

If you want the money for your movie, think about the main cinema payer in the audience: the white man. They forget it and cry later.

[@him050]

The hyper-emotional, quick to anger male character that never stopped talking used to be used as comic relief. Now it’s just the way they’re written.

[@xGhost4000x]

Somewhat hilariously "hyper-emotional" and "quick to anger" is how I'd sum up most of the online discourse when it comes to movies in general.

[@juniorm641]

@@xGhost4000x thank you. These guys want to see real men while acting like real women looking for their perfect man. So ironic.

[@ChampagneAndRipple]

Isn't that who Critical Drinker is? Anyone who waste this much time on content like this isn't a real man at all. Neck beard rantings of unimportant fictional nerd shit as is that really matters in the real world. Getting all angry over movies, TV shows and videogames is as unmanly as it comes.

[@garyflexon532]

Couldn't agree more! Did you ever do part 2 ? I seem unable to locate it!

[@JonathanRodriguez-nz9nw]

Han, Luke, and Boba being neutered in absolutely every way, shape and form in their character assassinations will forever break my heart as a Star Wars fan. Same with James Bond and Indi 😔 my favorite heroes and villains reduced to less than nothing

[@user-ey9ww3wb8s]

The fans ruined those characters the most by not letting those characters go and watch something new. You can't expect old actors to play their younger selves and do action scenes. Like come on now. The fans need to move on to new characters. This is why Star Wars is stuck. I would rather watch Old Republic in the Star Wars universe.

[@JonathanRodriguez-nz9nw]

@@user-ey9ww3wb8s not the fans, the studios keep milking every single character and ip

[@bankait_rex1860]

I swear to you, that line from demolition man, were Sylvester Stallone said "put me back in the fridge" is becoming a reality every single day that passes by.

[@waycooljr.181]

Thank you, I forgot about that line, it says everything in a short sentence.

[@juniorm641]

What's wrong with Creed? Too black?

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

@@juniorm641 tbh it's the only one I disagreed with because Rocky dying makes sense, he lost everybody and feels fulfilled so going out like that is fine to him

[@twobellz]

“Demolition Man”? Another awesome movie that was way ahead of its time.👍

[@Derek-qu8qi]

I say EVERY day that I wish that damn asteroid would hurry up and get here

[@zzzaaayyynnn]

I feel bad for boys and young men who have to grow up with these twisted potrayals of men in media.

[@Crobian]

The objective if you haven't noticed is to turn men into women and women into men because it is a hugely lucrative industry for $$$. They expect it to make more money than Hollywood (surgeries, hormone replacement therapy, therapy, legal costs, increased consumer spending etc). None of what you see is by accident, it is all for profit at the expense of people's mental health. And the other obvious reason for all this feminization of men is weaker men are easier to control. The less stoic heroes you have, the more you can exploit them.

[@jonathancross2790]

Thank you. My generation of boys are just brainwashed and dominated into believing women are always superior. Yet the girls brag about not getting enough recognition. Which makes sad and angry most of the time. Especially when I see boys acting feminine, emotional, whiney, irresponsible.

[@leroyrodgers6089]

As long as those boys have a good father, and grandfather. They will be fine. Jordan Peterson is also a really good man that is in the media as well. Of course they try to twist him, but he's to popular for them to bring down now.

[@smorevids]

And women too. Initially you might think we're lucky because we aren't demonised but it's not a great look to be portrayed as the annoying, cold mary sue gender. Now people will think that every movie with a female lead will automatically suck when it never had to be this way.

[@houseofhas9355]

Which is why at 19. I stopped watching any new modern movies that have anything to do with Disney superheros or female leads or female action star. I can't unsee the disrespect of male characters. Tv shows have it way worse than movies It's worse than you Think. I have seen young men say self hate thing like self owning or self downing. A lack of confidence is the agenda's real goal in my opinion.

[@Thesupperals]

This kind of thing makes me want to write a story about characters (one male, one female) with no extreme personality- but are based around a modern person planted in reality, are subjected to past cinema and modern cinema plaguing their every day lives. With our main characters trying to go through a typical day, doing it's best at trying to mock the "slice of life" genre with an actual plot. Absurdities always come their way impacting these "blank slate" main characters into something that they're not- all the while trying to obtain a relationship with one another and put a stop to all of the garbage that they're being subjected to.

[@LeifurThor-qu2bz]

Spot Bloody On. Every freakin word!

[@hogwashsentinel]

The most terrifying implication is that a male character can't be just as aspirational for female viewers.

[@Michael-tk9ux]

Because it's true. Look up female in group bias and 'women are wonderful effect'

[@DozenDeuce]

They’re NOT aspirational to women, they’re DESIRABLE to them.

[@sort6726]

Because it's true to an extent, that also applies to both genders in general

[@casecoded]

honestly? as a woman, i have found no hero, no role model in those “strong female” characters. The men are the only place left to turn- and even the wussy emotional ones as Drinker described are better than the cold, hateful and arrogant females that’re so often portrayed in media these days. So rare to find media that lets people embody their natural talents and energy without challenging others or feeling threatened by their accomplishments and strengths. Wouldn’t it be cool to see? ahhh

[@cheesefondont1579]

Indeed. It's a ridiculous assumption, as there's been a lot of interesting and aspirational characters in media for decades; male and female. I disagree with some of the comments saying women can't find male characters aspirational, as I have never had that issue; though I am someone who has been a tomboy all my life so in tune somewhat towards some more typically masculine values along with some core feminine ones. I am extremely tired of the 'defeated and downtrodden old man', 'bad father' and 'incompetent leader' tropes as much as the very unrealistic female heroes. I miss seeing characters with realistic and aspiration masculine and feminine strength respectively. Not understanding that men and women have different strengths is as much of a crime as not understanding that there are many people who don't fit the typical stereotype associates to gender.

[@thebad2016]

This could also be the reason that John Wick has been successful. Where most men are emotional, John is portrayed as very stoic. He can control a situation with his silence and when he does speak, you usually feel the impact of it. For example, when Vigo has him all tied up in the first movie. When he speaks up, you can hear the raw emotion conveyed in Keanu's voice. John just wanted to be left alone to grieve but it was snatched away from him in the form of Josef killing his dog and stealing his car.

[@nathancawley8759]

@@whatsappme9933 tfw you steal a film critics profile pic to try to scam ppl. ugh

[@davidarriola6412]

It was mostly killing his dog. You don't kill dogs unless your ready for war.

[@thebad2016]

@@nathancawley8759 Yeah, they literally comment on everything I say. Makes me feel like they're targetting me specifically. They've also impersonated other youtubers and commented on my stuff from other videos.

[@sup9542]

Those movies are getting worse and worse though. Keanu is the type of guy to happily have his character be neutered so women and trans women can take over. He’s very down with that trend.

[@stemup]

@sup9542 what women are you referring to? Sure there are badass female characters but I'd hardly say they "took over"

[@tiendaweii]

Rick Grimes is about as solid a portrayal of an everyman thrust into the tumults of the unthinkable as I've seen in a long time. The TV series did wane a bit, mayhaps, but the character was written and marvelously demonstrated as a respectable, admirable man should be.

[@user-uu3mq1ot9g]

This is absolutely amazing!!! I hope that everyone can hear this message and learn that men are supposed to be men and not women!

[@LeoJay]

Basically Hollywood has daddy issues, it's mind blowing to see guys like Kevin Feige self-guilting themselves and bending the knee like this.

[@ryanrodriguez7664]

You're the second guy in this comment section I've seen named Leo.

[@Johnzen03]

Hollywood had a China issue. This equity and inclusion movement is very obviously being pushed and funded by the CCP. Just look at every university in the western world. The amount of money the CCP dumps into them says it all.

[@natiart]

Silence in dialogue is powerful because it feels REAL The writers probably never saw a real conversation between people

[@mr.wilson9941]

Those writers are energy drink spoiled autistic soy boys who believe steven universe is the peak of what entertainment looks like so obviously they never talked to another human being with an once of sanity

[@thegoodwolf4255]

confrontation is being made more and more not socially acceptable, you're actually probably right

[@rro660]

​@@thegoodwolf4255 of course you make men less confrontational and less dominant they pose less of a threat to the elite group of men that control the world. 😉

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

at the same time a little is enough and no one wants their time wasted on endless quiet.

[@Whaddayamean13]

We have a hyperactive, can't sit still for five minutes audience of children now addicted to TikTok and mindless dopamine bullshit. Combine that with an industry that has become all about making money and less about storytellers: you have these movies now. They're not only bad on their own, they're tarnishing their original versions-which they shamelessly remake to begin with.

[@meganfoster8838]

Meanwhile, over in the romance section of the bookshop/library, you'll find plenty of strong, brave and clever manly heroes, i.e., what female audiences actually want. We also don't mind having the hero coming in to rescue the heroine (as long as she's doing more than stand there like a helpless ninny doing nothing). Filmmakers, take note...

[@DarkMiss]

i think its bs,tired tropes that need to be put to rest. thank god the "im useless i need saving" bs is dying off! YUCK

[@AceDramaBeats]

I don't mind her being helpless. Let a man save her every now and then.

[@seanhealey5931]

The romance section for females is basically porn in written form...cliterature.

[@realdragon]

I've seen some romances, in a lot of cases man is far stronger than woman in those (I've seen one when they're equally strong) but when men rescue women from physical danger in exchange women emotionally support men. And this is great because it shows they both have flaws in some aspects they struggle, but when they're together they support each other

[@zynpkrdg]

Exactly! Men in those romances are super rich, powerful, strong, and stoic too most times! They brood all the time.😂 They command authority and fear from others, especially in fantasy romances. They do treat the heroine softly but that's bc the heroine was able to break down his walls and support him emotionally bc he is very traumatized and all that. And they also save the heroines too! One of the favorite things ever for romance fantasy readers is a scene where the heroine is kinda beaten up and the guy goes "who did this to you?" and basically crushes those guilty like lil ants. They also like seeing her handle her own and have agency but that is like, the basics of writing a good character, male or female, at least the character has to grow into having those attributes. Anyway that's clearly what women like since the majority of them seem to fantasize about these characters and i have never seen one woman do the same for a silly guy like the modern hollywood likes to put on screen. Never. As a female, i don't really like romance but i love epic fantasy and almost all of my favorite characters are male. I love the female characters in those too, because they actually are good people who are trying to do good things most times, not self-absorbed men-hating weird stuck up creatures.

[@Extrikit]

Brilliant on point summary of a trend I’ve noticed for some time now.

[@wasabi5338]

Rocky Balboa in my opinion is one of the best written masculine figure. He can express his fears and insecurities to his wife, he cried when Mick died, and he is capable of being goofy. But when challenges arrives, he never backs down. The Creed Rocky where he didnt want to live anymore is foreshadowed in Rocky V where Mick told him that little by little, an old man's motivation to stay alive disappears. "I never asked you to stop being a woman, so please don't ask me to stop being a man."

[@nitroxylictv]

Exactly. Hes a real man that asks for support, from his COMPASSIONATE and CARING WIFE. That is a true man. Women are SUPPOSED to be caring, emotionally supportive, compassionate and emotionally reconstructive. Its the Yin and Yang to mens protectively supportive, reassuring, providing and guiding traits.

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

Yes! Having a feminine wife to support him is EXACTLY how you write a good woman character. Rocky was awesome

[@wasabi5338]

@@thelegacyofgaming2928 Adrian is a well written strong female character too. She is able to break free of her insecurities and in turn be the perfect voice of reason when Rocky lost his way. Nowadays, a feminist's idea of a strong woman is someone who can KO men and is masculine, while Adrian is feminine yet very mentally strong.

[@TheresaMayPM]

@@wasabi5338 Adrian is great. Rocky was willing to give it up for her, which was a massive sacrifice for a man who was on the verge of escaping a life of mediocrity. Adrian knew Rocky risked dying, that she could lose him, but she risked that loss because she knew he would be diminished if he didn't fight. Rocky is a series about two heroes, Rocky and Adrian.

[@buukute]

Never get tired of "Rocky" series even I have watched them for hundreds times. The story, characters and musica was on point!

[@thisisthisis542]

This is why I loved Reacher SOOO much. The dude was reserved, smart, and just overall a badass. But he still had emotions that were brought out and used for scenes that were all the more powerful because he wasn’t normally teary eyed or angry.

[@LoganDX1990]

That and Jack Ryan . It's like good writing, especially with make leads. Is becoming rare now

[@TheAntsh]

Words you'll never hear from real men 'I'm just going to be vulnerable here for a moment'

[@saisameer8771]

Another example would be Ethan Hunt from the Mission Impossible movies. He generally does not come off as very stoic most of the time. But when things get serious he puts all his vulnerabilities aside and gets the job done. It also helps than Tom Cruise can pull off characters like Ethan Hunt better than any other actor.

[@clamum9648]

@@LoganDX1990 Yeah I think the Jack Ryan series is decent, better than a lot of crap on nowadays anyway. Reminds me I need to get back to the latest season, forgot I had started it lol.

[@OldLizard]

To be honest, I found "Reacher" to be too Marty Sue. He is exceptionally strong, exceptionally smart, and exceptionally professional. Basically, he is a superman w/o kryptonite vulnerability. "Terminal list" was much better - there was character development, moral choices, and no "superpowers". Just a man who is doing his job and going to the very end if it is needed.

[@JesusPeopleSF]

You are very eloquent in this series and are saying the things many of us are thinking.

[@angiesaudade]

Is there the second part available? I love your content critical drinker, please continue the hard work :)

[@TheEasterFerret]

You keep putting into words the subconscious reasons why I only watch older films these days.

[@allseeingotto2912]

Or Japanese and Korean films

[@geraldheinig1473]

Or none at all. For about 10 years now.

[@emilnemyl448]

Switched to reading, they cannot monopolize that market with crap. These days every hollywood movie is trash by default.

[@RM_VFX]

Aragorn is a fairly modern example of a good male character. He's not a toxic, aggressive stereotype, or a dolt. He's a competent warrior who cares about his comrades, and his lady. You can tell he's introspective, and that living up to his legacy carries emotional weight, but he never whines about it. He, like Frodo, bucks up and carries that burden because that's what OG guys do.

[@mikoaj1349]

Actually even in the LOTR movies there were some small but significant differences from the source material. For example, in the movies Aragorn whines: 'I'm Isildur's heir, the same weak blood runs in me' and then Arwen comforts him: 'You're Aragorn, not Isildur himself'. In the books, on the other hand, it's Boromir who accuses Aragorn of being Isildur's heir and having his weaknesses, while Aragorn defends himself saying that he's his own man.

[@NuanceOverDogma]

Modern example? That was 20 years ago. He’s talking about the last decade especially last 5 years have been atrocious portrayals of men… and women.

[@lastmanstanding5423]

@@mikoaj1349 eh? Book Isildur is a hero, who died heroically. It was the movies that made him into: "hearts of men are easily corrupted" Book Aragorn would be proud to be called heir of Isildur.

[@Benji-jj2bg]

@@mikoaj1349 thats a bit different, that scene was put there to convey that Arwen was his closest confidant and he was able to talk to her, showing how he is when hes around someone he can open up with kinda i guess. It made him feel more human, we all have doubts. But most men dont share those doubts with the whole world and complain,.

[@Fred-gu6pk]

John McClane although the good Die Hard films are even older. And what about Hans Gruber charming, nicely spoken, cunning, quick witted and ruthless

[@aminkazemi4579]

Seriously I've noticed for a long time and you are the only one who mentioned it and I'm grateful to you about it, I'm so sick of men bring depicted as clumsy, insecure, talentless and submissive to make the movie funny and yet live in a world watching men sufferings and yet prospering in this new wrong social injustice against them, seriously you guys should be careful watching any movie after 2010 and not get disgusted by these bs, i don't know what Hollywood men think that they accept writing and depicting these big lies and when they want to ride against this shit

[@julianrios7607]

I’m looking forward to a part 2.

[@BadAzzClem88]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who has noticed the trend TheDrinker has pointed out about the media portraying men as hapless and stupid in practically every commercial

[@Pointman11111]

Its just a commercial Why are we taking it seriously?

[@kofimoseley9296]

It started with Homer Simpson.

[@section20survivor90]

@@kofimoseley9296 Nope. I've been around long enough to remember the first commercial to make a man look like a dope: It was for the new Sears "softer side" ads. The man looks at a sweater and says it's pink and his wife in a disgusted tone says it's salmon. From then on it's started to creep into commercials more and more until it hit tv shows and movies.

[@grimnartusk265]

@@Pointman11111 why does it being a commercial somehow trivialize it? The commercial probably gets seen more than the films lmao it's still very clearly insinuating that men are basically just horrible or retarded, and it's not in the sense of satire so it's just a bad message overall. if you replace the man with a woman it would never be accepted, on that basis alone it's ridiculous.

[@gravelly96]

@@Pointman11111 Because they're broadcasted across the country to millions of people? If you see it enough times it will stick with you., commercials have always been about the subconscious.

[@GrnXnham]

A good explanation of why "Top Gun Maverick" was so successful. Audiences were STARVING for a strong male lead in a movie and made the movie a success. Yes, a little more balance here would be nice. Hollywood has become so completely predictable with these "modern rules of Hollywood" that nothing surprises anyone anymore. Here's a great idea of a plot twist in a modern movie.....Have a smart male character that we all like outsmart the evil female villain! Nobody would ever expect it!

[@Dom21221]

Amen 🙏. That’s what I’ve been saying since the movie out

[@Pointman11111]

First of all it was a good movie I watched the predecessor just a few days before going to the theatre to see the new one and i didn't really care about the character Maybe bc there wasn't really a nostalgia factor for me Still it was a damn good movie and im glad it was such a huge success and i hope future movies take note But i did enjoy Amazons Reacher and The Terminal list And DCs Peacemaker bc of the main character/actor

[@coomerslayer420]

Don’t forget that Top Gun Maverick also has strong, interesting, well-written female characters too. I really loved that pretty mother and her daughter

[@chasehedges6775]

@@coomerslayer420 All the male and female characters were great

[@chasehedges6775]

Top Gun Maverick is a masterpiece of good filmmaking and storytelling. It truly was a good movie that me and my mom and dad enjoyed and we’ve seen the original as well

[@corsicanupstart]

I am absolutely loving the analysis of "Hollywoke's" breakdown that's happening across many KZbin channels. But it's even nicer to hear it all discussed with a fine burr. ;)

[@JeremiahLauzon]

I actually wrote an essay in university about how in modern family shows the father is shown as an idiot. I firget the exact argument I was making, but it's certainly noticeable how every father seems to be this bumbling idiot that can't do anything right without their wife.

[@QuadriviumNumbers]

It's that word that has been noticeable in it's absence...FEMINISM!

[@doorman5966]

Leave it to Beaver was also stereotypical. Ward was always the smart one while June was always running to him for advice. Totally unrealistic portrayal of real life. But in those days they wanted to present masculinity as a kind of jokey patriarchy--Ward was a pencil pusher, not a working class father. Wokeness didn't start yesterday. It has been in Hollywood since the 1920s, but in different ways because the society was 99% European so they couldn't push diversity or LGBT.

[@Nickpetronio]

Wow kudos to you. Sounds great. How was that essay received though? Lol

[@JeremiahLauzon]

@@Nickpetronio Pretty well actually, I don't remember my actual grade but it was decently good I think.

[@bobbamford5207]

Yes the Wife has the solution to lifes problems.

[@vcrbetamax]

I like how their writing consists of who not to include, so that their characters don’t look stupid. They intentionally write around good ideas.

[@incorectulpolitic]

Back when I used to reddit, I made a post asking people what would they say if they had to convince someone to come here and be their kid? The catch was, whatever was omitted was sure to happen. Surprise surprise, no one had shit to say. It's crazy because there's this subreddit about the earth being a prison planet and even with that perspective people were still saying they'd have kids. It was remarkably unbelievable. I'm like "why would you bring people to prison on purpose?" Makes no sense. I understand not having come to that awareness yet, but once you do...how in tf can you justify cursing someone?? They'd say "it's better we have the kids so we can tell them the truth about this prison planet" and I'd say "so you're going to bring someone to prison just so you can tell them they're in prison? How about don't bring them to prison at all?" People kill me. Selfish desires apparently override sensibility; nothing new under the sun, I guess. '[

[@vcrbetamax]

@@incorectulpolitic I’m not sure what that has to do with my post. Um… that sure is something though.

[@PATTAICICLE]

REMEMBER WHEN EVERYONE HATED TRANSFORMERS MOVIES. TRANSFORMERS 2007 IS BETTER THAN 90% OF ALL MOVIES THAT CAME OUT IN 2022

[@incorectulpolitic]

@@vcrbetamax Off course it sounds crazy for NPCs to not force kids into this hellhole... I mean who would these bored to death sadists use/exploit and abuse and boss around LEGALLY ? 80+% of the NPCs are exploited/used/abused/bossed around 24/7/365 so they want to have that experience as well... but they can't have that experience legally since if they try to exploit/use/abuse/boss around other people they will get in trouble in a few seconds. The only people who can legally use/abuse/exploit/boss around and murder other people are people with badges-uniforms, white coats, suits-ties, aka the organized criminal syndicate of each region. So the solution the dilemma of not being able to use/abuse/exploit/boss around legally anybody is pump out units into this hellhole, without their consent/permission and have the party of use/abuse/exploitation/bossing around BEGIN. ;-)

[@vcrbetamax]

@@incorectulpolitic Horses don’t run that fast.

[@Transfixed]

Growing up without a father, like a lot of kids do, i depended on my TV/movie heroes for role models. I feel bad for this generation of boys who aren't getting that, especially when family is being devalued at the same time.

[@keiyoruu]

not saying anyone is wrong but those old movies are still there, they can still look back at old movies to have that

[@nicholashodges201]

@@keiyoruu good luck getting them to actually watch them

[@mynamenoone5967]

Dear transfixed that's true me to I brought up without a father in my life

[@charless3484]

@@nicholashodges201 Pirates theme intensifies

[@the_yellow_shirted_kid_16]

Given your profile picture, I'm guessing Optimus Prime was one of those

[@Unholyspirit]

This is so perfect. Thank you for reminding me what a man is, and what a man is not.

[@maenad1231]

As a woman I don’t think a lot of chronically online women are being genuine when they pretend heroic empowered male leads aren’t a thrill to watch Yeah it’s good to get some badass women - every girl I know liked Kim Possible and Tomb Raider and Hermione as a kid but making the men suck doesn’t make me happy at all

[@iloveanothermanswives4278]

Say what you want to about Henry's Superman, he is still very masculine. He doesn't whine about his feelings or being annoying. Most of the time he is stoic, quiet and keep things to himself. His struggle makes sense due how destructive his power can be.

[@lucanicolasstefan4788]

Yeah, Superman was fine. The drinker's points still stand thougj

[@stevenscott2136]

I can let "Man of Steel" slide on the basis that he was just starting out as a superhero, and his dad did a terrible job -- practically called him a freak to his face. Thomas Wayne would have punched John Kent right in the mouth for his terrible parenting.

[@territorybeyond]

Costner was stoic compared to Cavill, those what his Superman acting amounted to was a block of wood

[@christianbjorck816]

Man of Steel was just a mopey whiney film though… totally opposite of who Superman is. So yeah, they cucked him pretty hard in that one.

[@9theaman]

@@stevenscott2136 I've watched Man of Steel many time and I don't remember Pa Kent "practically" calling him freak. Where did you get that?