10 Times Nintendo Was Forced to Censor Their Own Characters | Siiroth

[@ISuckAtMinecraft397]

I don’t think the shiek thing is a censorship. She’s dressed as a dude, so everyone in the game who meets her thinks she’s a dude. In-game, it keeps the immersion to convince you it’s a dude until the big reveal. Since then, everybody knows it’s zelda so they just call shiek a her

[@captain_hbox2357]

This.

[@Wefwjenna]

Heh like me!

[@X-35173]

Also he makes the comment about "having to turn into a man to become more powerful" which is outright incorrect. Zelda did not turn into Shiek to be stronger, she turned into Sheik so that Ganon wouldn't recognize her and allowed her to help Link. This is shown twofold as most of Sheik's help comes in the form of wisdom and advice, which is not gender dependent. And more so in the end when Sheik drops his guard and reveals himself as Zelda only to be INSTANTLY captured by Ganon without him even being present!

[@cantstandya9749]

Was gonna comment the same thing

[@BigtimeGambler8331]

Plautaneas guidance even calls shiek he

[@shinobu3617]

The whole Shiek debate is stupid. Zelda obviously just disguised herself as a man. She pretended to be a man, that's why everyone thought she was a man. It's like Mulan, or Lucina from Fire Emblem. It's not that hard to grasp. She had to hide from Ganon, it was the safest thing to do.

[@Kilja_7586]

THANK YOU! SHINOBU YOU ARE JUST AWESOME, THANK YOU!

[@davidduran445]

Look it's just that sometimes people just think too hard and then take things too far

[@roaringthunder115]

Thank you

[@mythoughtsexactly2145]

Honestly why did he brought this up. The answer is right there. The Sheik debate isn't deep and hardly a censor

[@violet-trash]

People on Twitter literally think Mulan and Lucina are trans as well. 🤷‍♀️

[@topatoman]

shiek being referred to as male in Ocarina of time was because they wanted to make it more surprising that it was zelda, not because shiek was actually intended to be male

[@xenon8927]

thank you

[@whitemage34]

Plus it was a sweet strategic disguise

[@jackking1900]

Doesn't make me want Link x Shiek yaoi any less.

[@LunaMinuna]

Jack King same

[@santiagoriquelmeayuso2057]

it´s like the first Metroid that in the guide they refered to samus as a He, just to make the surprise more....surprising hahahaha

[@ClaireDiVODer]

My thought on Sheik is that I always thought they labeled her with male pronouns to hide the fact that she was really Zelda, since at the time, it was a massive plot twist in the game.

[@kannonball5789]

Yeah, I don't know why it would require a convoluted explaination. It's like Samus in the original Metroid game.

[@Doctor_Odin]

It’s only complicated with the gender identity nonsense of the west trying to use gendered language as a way to validate it. It’s simple she’s very good at drag and didn’t break character

[@mythoughtsexactly2145]

The reason why the characters in OoT refer to Sheik as male is because they don't who Sheik is and assumed she was a he or for surprise factor they don't want to spoil it to the player. And it's been like that for the next following years since the release. Now, Nintendo is open to Sheik as female because her game is more than 2 decades old

[@cheek3664]

There's still gonna be a guy saying "Wtf why did they have to spoil that" Like bitch do you leave under a Goron corpse?

[@squeakylee6272]

Exactly what I was gonna say. It makes no sense why someone would call that "censoring".

[@grapeyv]

No, they referred to sheik as male because he was male. They changed his gender to female later.

[@AguFungus]

Grapeyv Not really. They referred to her as male because at that time she was pulling a Mulan on Ganondorf, the same reason they referred to Link in-game as female while in Gerudo drag. And remember that Metroid also referred to Samus as male for the same surprise factor as Sheik in her game. Of course the secret is as known nowadays as Darth Vader being... you know, so why hide it anymore? And remember that she wasn’t the only princess to pretend to be a dude while in disguise. Remember Lucina?

[@squeakylee6272]

@@grapeyv lmao, bro you wildin

[@AdamLongandTall]

Birdo is so powerful, they use all gender pronouns, you literally cannot misgender them. Truly an icon

[@justpikachud]

Would have been hilarious if you used him and then her in the same sentence.

[@mongoosedoesmagic6478]

Just Pikachud then they

[@hyronvalkinson1749]

Birdo is truly a "they". Have you seen Birdo in Super Mario Strikers?

[@felipe_drawmania1604]

@@justpikachud FNaF Mangle In a nutshell.

[@Carnage7209]

Birdo is stunning and brave

[@cerealbeforemilk3566]

I think it's really funny how the smash team goes out of his way to censor everything in smash, expect Bayonetta.

[@red5t653]

@Jordan Thompson Sakurai himself has admitted he's an ass man, I think?

[@pinkliongaming8769]

Except*

[@mdbeebe123]

Admittedly, they did have to heavily censor Bayonetta when she uses her hair. It seems that to the ESRB (And similar rating boards), the presence of skin is a bigger issue than their figure alone lol.

[@ballisticboo7808]

@@red5t653 that makes sense after what he did to zss

[@N0GG1N]

Bayonetta is super censored. In the actual games she is way more revealing

[@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth]

Jynx's design is actually based on a famous ice witch from Japanese folklore, hence the strange appearance.

[@WAEVOICE]

Potato Patato Too bad that never crossed the mind of the woman who filed that personal complaint. Guess it pays to be myopic.

[@ArynBacklogDragon]

yes. and that's why I hate that censorship. It came from ignorance of Japanese culture.

[@turkeycooktime458]

Oh, so that's why Jynx is ice type.

[@espurrseyes42]

That and maybe Ganguro. At the very least, it has as much to do with Blackface as Popo does: Nothing.

[@revolvingworld2676]

You're stretching it with sheik, she was ALWAYS just Zelda in disguise. She was reffered to male many times throughout the game because they were trying to *hide her gender and identity FROM THE PLAYER.* This is so obvious its not even funny.

[@caihly2443]

That’s an interpretation. Like their description in the manual said, they’re Zelda’s "alter-ego". It’s a whole new personnality that Zelda crafted to hide herself, a personnality which is the one of a young man. I’m not talking split personnality or trans identity here, i’m just saying that Sheik could simply be a male character, played by a female "actor". Sheik is not Zelda in the same way that Spiderman is not Tom Holland. At least, that’s my interpretation of the situation as it was presented in OOT

[@jontayy6592]

Lurony good description

[@Zangelin]

@@caihly2443 Alter ego tends to commonly mean disguised identity yknow that right?

[@caihly2443]

Zangelin the world "alter ego" was literally created to talk about split personnality disorder, and is still now used to designate another personnality that is distinct from the main one. An alter ego is a new personnality, who can very well have another gender. To get back to the example of acting I used before, know that it was common in the time of Shakespeare that male actor would play female roles (maybe it was systematic but I’m not 100% sure). Does that mean that Gertrude of Denmark is a man because she is played by a man? No, she has been created as a female, and is the actor’s "alter ego", despite being a different gender. This is so obvious it’s not even funny.

[@Kanethedragon]

Lurony Personally I say it’s not this case when considering OoT from a 90s Japanese perspective. The idea of Sheik being male stems from a mix of Aonuma and the devs wanting to hide her identity from the player as well as the in-lore focus of hiding Zelda from Ganondorf to not obtain Wisdom, combined with the fact that Japan in those times were a very appearance-focused society when it comes to identity. If you dressed like a man and hid your features well enough, for all intents and purposes, you are a man. A dissociative identity/alter ego is much different in context, as generally speaking you can’t just “switch” these identities at will like Zelda does with Sheik, and to put that into context, here’s some examples from around the same time as OoT that make use of alter egos/dissociative identities. The first being Male Shiki from Garden of Sinners/Kara no Kyoukai, whom is an identity that was created by Shiki’s parents to hide her power to A. Prevent accidents, and B. Keep maguses and other existences from learning about her abilities. And generally speaking, Male Shiki does nothing to change his appearance to fit his identity, which I’ve noticed is a common line in Japanese media that portray this properly, so in many cases he’d be misidentified as normal, female Shiki. Now with the second character, we got Boogiepop from Boogiepop And Others/Boogiepop wa Waranai. As with Shiki, Boogiepop is a male identity within the character Touka Miyashita who exists to defend order in the world and appears whenever threats pop out. Generally speaking he conducts himself as he were a male and uses male pronouns, but appearance wise he doesn’t do anything to change much besides wear his outfit to be an identifiable “shinigami” so as to cause threats to act when rumours pop that he’s around. If one were to get close rather than see him from afar at night, he would also be very quickly identified as Touka from standard people that wouldn’t think of dissociative identity playing a part in the character. Likewise, with both characters, they don’t just flip a switch at will and go back to their normal selves, it’s something that happens organically when the situation calls for them to exeunt. This, as I mentioned previously, is in stark contrast to the Zelda/Sheik scenario and I can say with 110% certainty that this was not Aonuma and Miyamoto’s intention when creating OoT.

[@guydude439]

Fire Emblem Heroes: *nervous sweating*

[@regalblade8171]

" looks at Lyn" yeah, fair point

[@RaidikV]

Wasn't Summer Tiki censored?

[@PsychoGamer2100]

@@regalblade8171 Lyn has big boobs, but she doesn't show anything revealing so she would be fine though I did find it annoying how they made the size of Cordelia's chest armor smaller since in Awakening there is an optional scene where it is revealed that she purposely made it that way so people wouldn't know she was flat.

[@Galactic_Astra_XIV]

Lmao so true 😂

[@AceBountyHunterRex]

@@RaidikV never heard or seen anything regarding summer tiki being censored. Which one are you referring to anyway?

[@thepixelman4776]

Fun fact for anyone who didn’t know: at some point after ultimates release, an update to Xenoblade made a Nopon appear in one of the towns that, probably after Mythra is introduced, gives a free aux core (special gear for blades and this one was indeed very good for gear) that gave Mythra her smash design that even covers her not hidden back with the tights as well. Actually looks pretty nice.

[@Navarchil]

@@TARDISES I'm one of them, personally prefer the covered versions to the original ones.

[@ryleyallen185]

Yeah I typically keep that aux core on and tights start to grow on you after a while, but until today I didn't realize they they covered her cleavage in smash, something that never happened in XC2

[@tardigrade8019]

Tights Mythra is best Mythra.

[@Xenshi.]

@@tardigrade8019 I wholeheartedly agree

[@Mysticgamer]

Actually, I wished they went all in on this idea and have different outfits and custimization for all the blades. Got a generic blade? No it can be purple, got that blade that's a little girl and a polar bear? Christmas dress panda bear skin.

[@dragoonarchive9197]

"Shiek is confirmed to be a woman by this article" Well duh, its Zelda in a disguise. The debate about Shiek's gender should have been over and done with the moment people found out they were actually Zelda.

[@masterprick1]

Yeah I never understood why that was a debate, Sheik is a woman disguise as a man and that is as "complicated" as it gets.

[@zakabouelfaioud7653]

I feel like the debate comes from Sheik's design as the N64 the use of male pronouns plus the muscular chest coupled with every other appearance of Sheik is shown with a fuller chest

[@Emerald-Fluffie]

I just assumed that official sources called shiek with she/her pronouns just because it’s not really a spoiler anymore

[@AguFungus]

And besides, no one has a problem with still calling Link a guy while in Gerudo drag, right?

[@caseys2698]

Agu Fungus right haha. Honestly props to Nintendo for making the cross dressing thing not too offensive or anything. I mean the NPC who tells link to wear the Gerudo garb may be a bit of a stereotypical gay man/drag queen, but the way the actual outfit change readily fools almost everyone in Gerudo town is just handled in such a nonchalant and cool way. (I mean when the first BOTW trailer was released people thought Link was a girl lol, he looks more feminine/ also kinda androgynous but that’s just kinda the case, and I personally think it’s really cool. : ) )

[@YoungMasterZuoCai]

@@caseys2698 i dont think it matters if its inclusive or not. The gerudo have been around for ages and this is just a funny way to get past them.

[@revelationsgaming2727]

Some people say Link is a girl when he's wearing the kawaii gerudo outfit as a joke.

[@goldenegg8of100]

Zelda disguises herself as a man to be even further under the radar

[@schawangus]

I like how Nintendo says “no our characters can’t have cleavage showing!” Yet they had an almost fully nude fairy woman who floats above you in two games and who stands in front of you with no upper body clothing with only her hair covering her breasts in another game. Like bruh how do we not talk about that?

[@ahawksjawbc2464]

Bayonetta.. right?

[@Crystal323100]

@@ahawksjawbc2464 The Great Fairy/Fairies from the Legend of Zelda. In the original Ocarina of Time they only wore thin vines which didn't hit anything. In Twilight Princess they wear no top what-so-ever.

[@coolcaden26]

@@Crystal323100 that’s how they look in ultimate too

[@captainpep3]

@@Crystal323100 I’m honestly surprised they got away with the twilight princess design considering how suggestive it is, but I’m pretty sure twilight had a T rating anyway

[@EnricosUtLP]

I don't think the Shiek thing is censorship, the whole point of the disguise is to look like a male so that the player will be completely surprised by the fact that it is Zelda. Also you probably should of mentioned that the "up yours" motion is much more offensive in other regions, such as Italy or other European countries.

[@sherrdreamz7232]

The disguise Zelda used "storywise" is more to prevent Ganondorf from capturing her. However the surprise reveal works quite well due to Shiek's entirely male body to surprise the player.

[@pixel_screams]

See to me, Bowser definitely seemed like he was doing it as an 'up yours' and definitely suits his character. But when Inkling did it I immediately thought of Rosie the Riveter in the WW2 'We can do it' motivational poster. Which I thought was pretty cool, but I get where it can be misconstrued.

[@dr.simonius609]

what does the motion mean

[@peterwolf9937]

@@dr.simonius609 basically a comeback insult to anyone that insults you with some relevance to sexual parts, I guess? I don't really know, I only did it, like, around 5 times my entire life...

[@solar2804]

Mythras legwear lowkey kind of make her legs sexier so Nintendo really just picked their poison 🤣

[@endersteve6666]

Wait what is your profile pic

[@solar2804]

@@endersteve6666 its utsuho Reiuji from touhou being a qt

[@mocubamoffatt9900]

Like honestly, it totally makes her sexier. Stockings for the win.

[@Syrius_Li]

RIP Mythras thighs, gone but not forgotten

[@nikzito2]

She looks a bit better imo

[@bowserwithpants9764]

@nikz² why do you say wrong things?

[@anxientdesu]

are you insane? dont you know that black tights on thighs are the greatest thing ever?

[@juliuskingsley4400]

She looks even hotter now

[@bowserwithpants9764]

Ok, well, there’s multiple variables to it. Firstly, it doesn’t make sense for her to wear black tights specifically. She’s a light blade (I’m saying blade to make things simple) and is predominately white. I know her personality isn’t all light (if you know what I mean), which I suppose the black tights can represent, but it just clashes with the rest of her attire. But if we’re excluding personality, the artwork of her in the tights is pretty bad at showing she’s wearing tights. It just looks more like her legs are black, which is what they did so....... but her in-game model in Xenoblade Chronicles 2 with the tights is great. Black tights do make Mythra more sexy, but for the most part how they represent Mythra with the tights, it just doesn’t seem right. Her exposed thighs are beautiful

[@TheDizzyDungeoneer]

The "up yours" pose only means that in some locations and cultures. In many it's a symbol of confidence and dependability, it is not an issue.

[@thefantasylife]

plus didnt rosie the rivoter also do that same pose?

[@Roshi_710]

Well it doesn’t help that in this vid the guy didn’t even clarify why that pose was supposedly “offensive” 🙄

[@GoldKitsuneBrony]

It feels odd not being offended by any of these and thinking most of them were kind of dumb to be offended over. With a couple, ok they had a point, but most of these were just people nit-picking.

[@Lyn-wn9vy]

None of them should be offensive... it’s Nintendo they don’t try to make things offensive... they shouldn’t have to get rid of these things for over sensitive people... it pisses me off that any of these would offend anyone... Nintendo made it the way they made it, let it stay like that. I can’t deal with how sensitive people can be like holy Hell...

[@ShiranaiNeko]

A Cat no. But they didn’t do a 9/11 joke.

[@leviosdraekion6993]

@@saku5955 so about them being kids games and not supposed to have sexual themes in them I have to somewhat disagree. Why? Well simply watch Star Wars Return of the Jedi. It is meant for kids as well as adults.

[@RED-hb1di]

@@saku5955 I bet you said the same thing in Disney movies when there is a poster of a strip club or a priest with a boner or all of the thousands of other hyper violent or very sexual references and moments. but no it's Disney, they're Above This.

[@saku5955]

RED if I’m going to honest I think my comment was dumb I have a problem of just typing without really thinking so my bad

[@GaminGlaceon3707]

Somewhat surprised you didn’t cover the Mario Kart Cutscenes (don’t remember if it was Super Mario Kart or GBA) but the characters took a swig if alcohol after a race, getting drunk.

[@Liggliluff]

Well, this was just 10 times (which oddly was a count down). So he should do 10 more times.

[@funkykongreal]

*W H A T*

[@sherrdreamz7232]

That was the SNES Mariokart where they would pop a champagne bottle wasnt it? I don't think I ever saw anyone drink it though.

[@kevinlee7678]

@@sherrdreamz7232 Only in Japan, and only Bowser and Peach.

[@willcollins584]

Kevin Lee nah I live in the US and just got Super Mario Kart for my Switch and Mario celebrated with a bottle of champagne

[@Bailey_West]

12:18 Monotlithsoft: “It’s okay ESRB, she’s 15 now, not 13” ESRB: “.....you do know that’s still illegal right?” Monolithsoft: “OH yeah how could I forget?! We put her in ~less~ revealing underwear when her clothes are off!” ESRB: “eh close enough, Rated T”

[@theshanaman7805]

Bailey West ya but the age of consent is 12 in Japan

[@Bailey_West]

The Shanaman you’re joking.... Oh my goodness, just googled to confirm and you’re correct.... it’s ~13... my god. No wonder anime has ‘waifus’ who look 9 but are “secretly a goddess who is 900 years old”

[@cerealbeforemilk3566]

@@Bailey_West The problem with Lin in my opinion is that even though she is technically 13, you take a look at her and she seems way older, and in the actual game she is an engineer. They create characters that are supposed to be young but then make them look like adults. I just don't get it. If you're gonna have that type of outfits, why make her a 13 year old? Would it really be that much of a difference if she was 18 instead? It just makes everyone uncomfortable.

[@wazow6281]

@@Bailey_West Yes and no. The age of consent in Japan is technically 13, however there are still laws in place that prevent large age gaps from being formed. Being 18 and up while trying to get together with a 13 year old can and will lead to either a misdemeanor or felony. Essentially the age of consent being 13 only really applies if both parties are 13 or slightly above, large age gaps do still lead to legal actions. 18 is still pretty much the "real age of consent" in Japan. There are other rules and differences depending on where exactly you are in Japan that you should probably research if you want more information, but still, age of consent isn't really 13.

[@Bailey_West]

Wazow ah that makes a bit more sense, thanks for clarifying!

[@dantesdiscoinfernolol]

For the record, I didn't know that the gesture that Bowser and Inkling use was offensive at all until I heard about the censorship.

[@RED-hb1di]

And there's the disgusting beauty of censorship, it's only offensive when someone tries to make it.

[@GhostEmblem]

Same, though other commenters have said its very offensive in Italy

[@Zan10242]

I thought the inkling pose was a reference to the “we can do it” poster from WWII

[@chillin5703]

Jordan Tillman ok, yeah, but then why bother making two “western” localizations? Seems a bit silly and like too much work for then to care. Youre dealing with a company here.

[@Xrelent]

It's the equivalent of the middle finger in many Latin countries and some other European countries. I bet in some countries (maybe Japan?) it's seen as a thing that a rascal would do, like blowing a raspberry, but otherwise I can see why Nintendo wouldn't want what's basically the middle finger in one of their kid's games lol

[@thatgenericgamer7919]

it's a shame jynx didn't get an evolution it might have actually made it look good

[@DoubleTime53]

It would have to lose its Ice typing in order for that to happen.

[@NautilusXO]

What, she doesn't look good now?

[@PT_Giant]

Always wondered why she didn’t get an evolution because I thought she fit into a trio of sorts with Electabuzz and Magmar.

[@bk7064]

It's not a shame. That thing needed to be forgotten

[@bobherobrine3415]

She evolved into mr po po

[@artimist0315]

Jynx is inspired by yama uba, a Japanese yo kai witch that will inspire the ganguro fashion. It is why she was depicted as part of the a trio with magmar and elektabuz during the 3 first generation, yama uba is associated with oni ( elektabuz ).

[@kevinvasquez4080]

I always just felt like they refered to Sheik being a male as a way to not make the connection that Sheik is Zelda to make sure the twist comes out of nowhere by making everyone believe Sheik was male when in reality it was Zelda

[@AguFungus]

Like the time the first Metroid game made us believe Samus was a guy. And then there’s, ahem, Lucina’s disguise.

[@caseys2698]

Agu Fungus lucina: * haha i have mask and flat chest i am Marth oops JK lmao fooled you all! 😂🤣😂 *

[@lordroy88]

Damn, I guess people really do get offended by everything nowadays

[@zonx87]

I wouldn't necessarily say "nowadays", some of these censorships occured over two decades ago.

[@WAEVOICE]

ElectricHeadSet 87 Digital age- it still counts.

[@tiffyw92]

It's more like offended people have been around forever, but the Internet has given them a platform.

[@Specialshark]

Soon in the future ppl will be offended by shoe size

[@tiffyw92]

@i .candy I guess it's more to do with having several generations of people growing up in the digital age and interconnectedness with the rest of the world. Normally it's a good thing to introduce people to new perspectives and backgrounds and learn how to deal with differences, but now even the world's village idiots have been able to convene and become heard. The real problem is, some of those village idiots are also our politicians and high-roll investors who get to tell everyone else how to think. Being "woke" has lost all meaning by now. It's not even about social justice anymore. It's about politics controlling the Internet, but that's been happening since the 90s when the Internet was first getting widespread in the US. It's just gotten more and more filtered ever since, but it is what it is.

[@kirbobirbo8938]

0:25 Nazi Registeel, how have I never heard of this?

[@yukkuri9144]

Because it got censored

[@mario-man3588]

Even though its with registeel’s left arm people misinterpreted his pose to say that this fictional metal monster in a children’s game was a nazi

[@Smfsableye]

It was only a sprite in Diamond and Pearl, a game where Registeel couldn’t be found in the wild.

[@kawaiizeraora8091]

Because we normal people dont think everything is offensive. Just like how Karens got offended over the Game Corner in the pokemon games because it promoted gambling.

[@Robert-vk7je]

@@kawaiizeraora8091 "Game Corner" teached me, how much gambling sucks. xD

[@youpickwario1992]

At least Mythra's design still fits her character and they even made it into a canon outfit.

[@PsychoGamer2100]

Not completely canon since the game removes it for the final cutscene when Mythra and Pyra come out of the core crystal.

[@handle.setUsername]

@@PsychoGamer2100 thats a pre rendered cutscene

[@ColdspaceDog]

Black doesn’t real match the white on her be honest

[@danie8944]

I didnt realize any of this was bad lol

[@ElshazamReformed]

Because it isn't.

[@nickms2365]

Leer Rosh racism, sexism, transphobia. And more. Yeah man plenty of this stuff is bad lmao what’s wrong with you

[@angeltearz420]

@@jehb4123 Its mostly about potential bad publicity/backlash from extra sensitive people that they do this, there is always the chance that someone gets offended from the smallest of details

[@nickms2365]

ItsJoBoi 22 I don’t think being mad about racism is being sensitive lol you don’t sound like a very good person bro

[@dieggz5144]

They had to do it before Karen showed up

[@SynGirl32]

I love it that "woke" people will be offended by any and all stereotypes, yet unless the stereotype is overtly offensive, most people simply find it funny, like you and me with Bear Hugger.

[@tora4180]

The Mythra censor in Smash may actually be a reference to her special outfit in Torna: The Golden Country. In the late game, you can get an equip that boosts Mythra's def and similar things and covers her legs with tights and her chest. It's also completely optional. So it's either a reference, since the art of her Spirit does exist in Torna or it is indeed a censor

[@red5t653]

Didn't Torna: The Golden Country come out after Smash Ultimate though?

[@grayshores5264]

I think the Outfit is called the Massive Melee Outfit and the Nopon who gives it to you says it’s good for people who like Smashing and Brawling. I think it’s a reference to the Smash Spirit censorship.

[@frosticle6409]

It's early game. I got the game in 2019 and you were able to get it at the second camp from the beginning near the village

[@pingucrimson750]

Gray Shores yeah in the base game he says “does it increase your blasting distance” and something about it being the *ultimate* core in reference to smash ultimate as well

[@dracotias]

The costume in xenoblade was because people actually loved the censored design so Monolith were like "okay sure we can put in in XB2, not much work effort to do so". Good guys Monolith soft

[@harrybest2041]

Now that Pyra and Mythra are both playable in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, Pyra is also censored. Where her thigh is shown, it is replaced with a brown cover (this is not the case with any of her spirits).

[@darkdoctor1915]

Censorship sucks, but it's sadly understandable

[@silver7215]

Beau Rafferty I disagree that it’s understandable. Why should media/art be censored? Especially when an artist’s/creator’s/etc’s work is meant to be enjoyed as they made it. People will be offended by anything and everything now, so let them. Yet let people enjoy things as it’s meant to be (as long as it’s not harmful at least).

[@thescreamingcage5575]

It’s not. Not in this time. The bar is becoming way to thin

[@garretwatt9940]

@@silver7215 Sometimes its understandable I dont think anyone wants to see a 13 year old in a bikini

[@angrypepe7615]

@@silver7215 I disagree. Mythras design for instance wouldn't be ok for a game that's for all ages. As well as that different cultures find different things acceptable. Here in most of the western world a 13 year old wearing a very skimpy bikini is not ok in the slightest.

[@silver7215]

Yeetus Deletus for girls that are under 18, yes, in an adult’s pov, that’s kinda weird/not cool, but you gotta think, a lot of young people that are the age of the characters in the game (as in, the gamer is also 13 or so) play these games too. And especially for boys around that age is when they start to get those hormones going. And well, that sells. You don’t have to like it, so just don’t play those games. You realize you don’t have to interact with things you don’t like.

[@NamelessGamer29]

Lin is 13 in all versions of Xenoblade X. Aside from the bikini, in the Japanese version you can actually increase or decrease the bust size of the female avatar in the customization menu.

[@futrzak7826]

I love that ssbu is rated e for everyone when zero suit and bayonetta are both in the game

[@Pawnpon]

?

[@shivvy11]

So what? lmao

[@david_8916]

@@shivvy11 because for obiously reasons

[@lordroy88]

What’s so bad about them

[@shivvy11]

@@david_8916 Tell me.

[@quote1273]

I like how everyone approved of the Mythra "Censor" because it basically improved her over all attractiveness. That's the kind of censorship we need, one that everyone agrees with.

[@PsychoGamer2100]

I agree, and I kind of found the amount of times the game goes out of its way to give you a look up her dress annoying after a while. I mean, when you watch the cutscene of them watching a tirkin threaten Tatazo(Tora's father) in the factory Mythra is literally bending over and giving the player a full view of her ass.

[@therighteously8454]

I mean....it's only okay since it's optional, but if I had to pick that over Mythra's original outfit, I'd pass on the censored outfit all day every day. Plus, it's not like it's the end of the world since it only really is mandatory in smash and she's not even playable

[@idreadFell365]

Yep, it's like Miru tights

[@alumlovescake]

I prefer the original

[@RED-hb1di]

I disagree with you vehemently, the only censorship we should have is optional censorship. if you don't like something you can flip a switch and change it ( like the helmet hidden feature in games like mass effect) but that doesn't and shouldn't apply to everyone.

[@ChroniclZ]

Censor mr game and watch hes not wearing any clothes Edit: wow he actually said it I was jk lol

[@ArdenChew271]

@Jordan Thompson it can be a guy

[@defalt6054]

@@ArdenChew271 then put some pants on it

[@sleepytubbs9405]

@@ArdenChew271 the one in smash specificly is a female

[@SnowBaller985]

Guys Incineroar has no pants on

[@ChroniclZ]

Bro u forgot about shulk

[@elconter7]

I really don't want to sound insensitive, but if someone has a problem with a feather in on someone's head, then that person probably doesn't have anything else to worry about.

[@PsychoGamer2100]

I'm pretty sure most Native Americans wouldn't give a shit about an 8-bit feather that appears on screen for a fraction of a second then disappears.

[@davidfrischknecht8261]

@@PsychoGamer2100 Most Native Americans don't even have a problem with the name of the Washington Redskins football team.

[@Redheart709]

The point is that it's something that shouldn't have been included. Why risk a portion of your playerbase?

[@sirbirbton]

And you know this because..? Do you need a little history refresher or are you just a sociopath?

[@sirbirbton]

@@Redheart709 Exactly, they had plenty of other attack ideas they could've used from the dozens of other G&W games but decided to go with the one that might actually upset some people. There's no reason to defend that

[@matthewsalton887]

Anyone else get the sudden urge to... uh... never mind.

[@eifjvndkdoxokc33]

Yeah bro same I got the sudden urge to read the bible too

[@RadicalSharkRS]

yeah same dude, god is good

[@kingovhartz1148]

I'm right here we you brother LOL!

[@pancakes6642]

What are you thing MHHH

[@bobherobrine3415]

Mah i see what you mean magmar lookin kinda thic

[@VictoryReviews]

Zelda is Sheik in disguise and people thought she was a male due to the disguise. It's a common trope, It has nothing to do with transitioning lmao 😂

[@time4manmode945]

I thought you said that zelda was shrek😄

[@VictoryReviews]

@@time4manmode945 I mean I never saw Shrek and Zelda in the same room before

[@kai_824]

To be fair, Mythra still looks amazing like that. I have a thing for tights so I think it looks better^^;

[@zonx87]

It appears you have good taste.

[@biohazard9215]

Noah get the fucking boat

[@Specialshark]

Noah: *A crud here we go again*

[@heckincat1406]

Y O U G A VE T H E M A N I D E A

[@datdairkirbtherobloxgamer3801]

everyday, we stray further from god.

[@alexanderharrison7421]

And somehow when censoring Mythra they only made people like her design more

[@SonnyO]

Employees of Monolithsoft being some of them since they patched the game to add that outfit.

[@firepuppies4086]

Tights still show curves and such with legs, so she's still thicc. And the sudden use of black catches your eye compared to the rest of her outfit.

[@mrkicks7817]

7:20 In my opinion, Mythra's censorship was handled perfectly, to the point where the original design just looks...off now.

[@ar1steia486]

"13 is too young, no matter what culture you're in." I completely agree, but I doubt the majority of cultures before 500 CE would.

[@alexiesrivera8472]

Yeah and I think the age of consent in Japan is also like 13 or close to that, so from their perspective I guess it's "alright" for a character of that age to wear such revealing clothing.

[@zvolyx3247]

@@alexiesrivera8472 read the replies to Bailey West's comment, someone has a well-written response to this exact issue that goes into a bit of detail on the whole "age of consent" topic, and how large age gaps (i.e. 18 trying to get with a 13) is still illegal.

[@geno6149]

I mean if this clothing is in the game the modders wouldn’t really make the game any worse besides a nude mod

[@danielcastrodelamata8873]

The good boys and girls comment from Sakurai is still hilarious. I burst out laughing when I heard it live.

[@Phun-Bun]

That is quite an infamous meme

[@kira_the_sniper6376]

About the 13 yo girl... In Japan, 13 is the "legal age" in the sense of 18 is the "legal age" in America. So it's less of cultural acceptance and more of different laws being in different places.

[@newageBoundhippie]

actually not every state has 18 as "legal age", some are set at 16 or 17. Yes, I know it's still creepy.

[@Miriam_J_]

Cultural acceptance still plays a part in this. If 13 was suddenly made the legal age in areas where its 18, we would be disgusted. So many people are disgusted by the states where the legal age is 16, imagine if it was as low as 13.

[@poshcatterson1790]

The minimum possible legal age in japan is only 13 but each prefecture gets to decide its own, and they all decided pedophilia is bad.

[@elkarlo1593]

Tharja also had to be entirely removed from Smash 3DS Her Trophy was leaked to be in the game, and there's evidence about her being the ONLY trophy removed The number of Trophies in the leak is just one more than the total number of Trophies (without any kind of dlc) available in Smash 3DS

[@thamonito]

Tharja is my waifu

[@Confron7a7ion7]

I always thought Zelda intentionally designed Shiek to be ambiguous since that would make a better disguise.

[@vossboss220]

that's the thing but people think too deeply into it

[@ttkidacc]

I love how all the fire emblem men are stripped down into very tight speedos and that doenst get censored

[@espurrseyes42]

Especially when Pokémon censors that.

[@firepuppies4086]

I don't think there is much bulge.

[@-rlmn]

Dieck

[@wilytw]

does anyone else feel like this video dragged on for...quite a while? like it seems like it was around 10 minutes but the creator had to stall or something??

[@GekTC]

I completely disagree with Vodka Drunkenski's character being "offensive" and the censorship being justified. Not only is this a game that, as you said, stereotypes everyone - Japan included, mind you - but also, it is no different from the stereotype of Irish people drinking beer a lot, which they just gleefully embrace for shits and giggles, not unlike Mexicans embracing the poncho and sombrero stereotype, which is why Mario wearing those in Odyssey was also not offensive to them. It is up there with Bear Hugger's stereotyping, and the only reason why it was censored was to keep alcohol references out of the game for game rating reasons, not because it is "offensive". Literally nobody thinks that.

[@superb.6291]

Well, it is steriotypical, but since we arent russian, we wouldnt know whether they think it is offensive, but mostly i think not

[@bromoment9779]

Mythra and Camila really out here getting nerfed and not even in the actual game

[@PsychoGamer2100]

Mythra's not even the best Light blade, its either KOS-MOS or Corvin.

[@Zoroark_Master]

@PsychoGamer2100 Good joke

[@Dinkolish]

Missed opportunity to have a bad ass evolution for Jinx.

[@Tosmasta00]

The Mythra one is an improvement imo rather than censor.

[@RED-hb1di]

Improvement to your tastes, and yes it's still censorship regardless of if it's cooler, better or if you like it.

[@Jinaria101]

You can’t go wrong with leggings if you wanna wear a short skirt and still look modest especially if you’re gonna be in combat

[@firepuppies4086]

The sudden black actually draws your eyes more.

[@ivanzoneBR]

I love the fact that in Torna you can change Regular Mythra to Censored Mythra pretty early.

[@Alphaxelking]

I don't have the game yet, and i assume (maybe wrongly) that the dlc is meant to be played after you beat the main story, but can you switch Mythra like that before starting the dlc? I plan on getting XC2, and i prefer her censored outfit over her regular one

[@ivanzoneBR]

@@Alphaxelking Actually the Torna Dlc is a prequel to the main Xenoblade Chronicles 2 game, so you can play this dlc before, if you were not familiar with Xenoblade like me, or the opposite. And you can change Regular Mythra to Black Stockings Censored Mythra after your first encounter with her pretty early on the game by equip an accessory.

[@Kanethedragon]

Alphaxel The core for it in the main game you can get early as the npc that gives it to you is a nopon found in Argentum which is the first area and he shows up if you have the game updated to the last patch. Won’t do anything outfit wise until you get Mythra though a couple chapters later down the road (around 15-35 hours in depending on what you do.) otherwise it’s still a solid core for any crit based blade and has the near same value as a base endgame crit core (IV or V IIRC.) As for Torna, it also pops up pretty early too.

[@Alphaxelking]

@@ivanzoneBR thank you for your answer! I'll probably play the main game before the dlc's story, but it's nice to know that

[@Alphaxelking]

@@Kanethedragon well, given my (non existent) speed in rpg, chances are the time I'll get myhtra will be on the later end of your estimate

[@SIMIFU]

Funny enough as someone like the character of Pyra, that Mythra change made me a bigger fan of her than Pyra. Tights are just that powerful in bringing out the beauty and elegance.

[@bookablegull8682]

Man, some people are just too soft.

[@Rex13013]

I agree tbh.

[@crepuscule3776]

faxs

[@dappitydingdong1219]

What, young kids?

[@sirbirbton]

Okay? What's that have to do with this video?

[@Juicestain2]

dappitydingdong saying young kids feel very soft sounds creepy

[@Innerste]

As much as I am usually against censorship, I actually dig Mythra's Revised Design in Ultimate.

[@lysanderxx1664]

Honestly, Mythra looks WAY better (and more atteactive) in leggings. Don't you agree?

[@FireFury190]

Fans definitely thought so given the amount of fanart that was made afterwards. Honestly I think she looks a lot more mature with the black leggings.

[@angrypepe7615]

I don't like the yoga pants but I like her design a lot more without the boob window.

[@time4manmode945]

I know right? I can actually take her seriously in important story parts

[@yukitheyandere]

In Japan the age of consent is low at 13, although some municipalities such as Tokyo prohibit sexual activity under 18 years old in most circumstances.

[@NinjaSox7]

Mythra's "censorship" was just a design improvement tbh

[@theanimeditor6400]

Sakurai: This Game Is For Good Boys And Girls Also Sakurai: Adds Bayonetta

[@socketandfriends8096]

Don't forget Joker and Snake.

[@shinobu3617]

Fire Emblem: *pat cute anime girl head* The west: NO! >:C Pokemon: *pet Machoke's crotch* The west: OK! :D

[@chaosinfared2730]

Why

[@N12015]

For reasons like this and more I often wonder why some Pokemon have an E rating instead of a E+10. I do not want to sound like an old-school puritan or even worse, a progressist puritan, but some of the elements aren't a good idea to put in a children's game like animal abuse or some dialogues or artworks.

[@WaluigiLebron]

Zelda doesn't turn into Sheik to become more powerful, she does it to literally just disguise herself

[@jam5012]

How do you not have more subscribers? The quality of your videos is top-notch and your content is very original, not to mention that they're of a nice, watchable length. Glad I found you, subbed and I hope you grow as a KZbinr even further.

[@NoCorrelation.26]

7:59 13:09 spoilers Shiek was never meant to be Zelda using magic to transform to a boy, princess Ruto was deceived by the disguise, and the magazine was just clear of spoilers. I don't know if they are "censciouring" Birdo, I think they are just referring to her using the terms she is comfortable with.

[@Sean-qg3gg]

I’m so glad you used Mario Super Sluggers music for Birdo!

[@lordroy88]

Madame Flurry: Sweats nervously

[@bigbuhh]

Actually for mythra, that’s her appearance in Tora: The Golden Country. It’s not censorship, it’s choosing the less provocative version

[@espurrseyes42]

No, it was censorship. She got the stockings skin after the fact, but was given those in Smash to censor her.

[@tomfrost419]

About the whole ‘there’s no excuse to sexualise a 13 year old’ argument, go ahead and search up the age of consent in Japan, buddy.

[@domethefox9239]

Also a funny Translation Error: In the German Version of Super Mario Galaxy 2 Only, Lubba is a Female

[@TheNexan_]

I love how they tried to censor Mythra with tights as if that ISN'T something even more horny

[@lupommyt7348]

The answer to the sheik question, he is a male according to the manga and was transformed by Zelda herself to avoid Ganon and it was so good that Ganon himself didn’t know

[@frankiehealey4674]

I’m trans myself and I love Vivian! It’s a amazing that a trans character made it into a Nintendo game (excluding Birdo). Though unfortunately I’m pretty sure that she was censored in America because they didn’t want a trans character in a children’s game...

[@bakedbeans5494]

Pervert.

[@Steven-eu7pi]

Some of those censorship seems to be due to culture differences: like Bowser and Inkling’s gesture, or Jynx’s skin tone.

[@chrisbeach423]

I was searching this literally this week, i guess its why it popped up as the first video on my recommend lol.

[@oneish7454]

Lin's age was never changed, she's still 13. Only her outfits were cencored

[@layiwoladavid7636]

Wow dude, thanks for compiling this but it's kinda pathetic how you're praising most of the censorship, it felt like I was watching china commenting on the game.

[@xXSamir44Xx]

All I've learned from this video is that people get needlessly offended over the smallest things.

[@Jcool047]

10:52 HUH Wow how is that even a Up Yours gesture? That pose is actually the same pose from the woman's rights poster. So people misunderstood that gesture and women's right gesture is not a good thing? I feel like people complain over the smallest things when reality its called parenting. "Hey (son or daughter) that is not a good thing to (do or say) don't do that or (punishment). How is it parents don't do this but complain to companies trying to make money and make something for the community get hurt. Customers are not kings. If we didn't have people inventing things we be back in the 50s. Thats like saying hey cell phone community stop allowing other people from talking to my kid when you as the parent should put them on a parent call only list in the first place.

[@dzarthedemon4855]

"10 times Nintendo was forced to censor their own characters" And the thumbnail shows mythra, HOW FREAKING ACCURATE

[@MarthGrabRange91]

Sakurai mentioned they changed Mr game and watch to look more like his original games

[@TheBohobemeister]

Wonderful video!

[@hexagonalsquare9985]

And here I was thinking Smash was for good boys and girls.

[@time4manmode945]

I actually think the censored version of mythra was actyally an unintentional upgrade i really dig that version more

[@vegetarblessb]

Surprise surprise, companies don’t care as much about what’s canon as fans do lmao

[@marcusbrown5784]

Did everyone forget about zero suit samus from the transition of 4 to ultimate?

[@csweezey18]

Most of these are just Nintendo trying to satisfy America's rampant transphobia...

[@xandermichael836]

Could you imagine getting offended over any if these stereotypes? It's miserable how delicate everyone has become.

[@k.r.mstudios3356]

I always thought G&W’s torch was a mop 😂😂

[@chaosinfared2730]

Same

[@MrtheFckface]

I thought it was a spoon

[@KevinBlue18]

I love the Japanese version of Lin because I'm very accepting of their culture. But I understand people have their own views, and I know I'm going to get backlash for this.

[@dasolemnvizitah4473]

The manual probably called Sheik a make to avoid spoilers

[@TheNessProduct]

It seems no one really figured that Inkling's gesture in Mario Kart was in fact a reference to a part of ''City of Color'' from the Squid Sisters, the only difference is that she have her fist closed. I Understand why people find this offensive, but that wasn't supposed to be offensive in the first place.

[@somerandomidiot8050]

That's what confused me. It's just the inkling doing one of the Squid Sisters' dance moves in victory

[@templarone6752]

My disappointment is..... Immeasurable and my day is ruined.

[@MylocketheWizardGames]

Fast Directory: #10 @1:00 - Game & Watch #09 @3:04 - Vivian (Paper Mario) #08 @4:39 - Soda Popinski (PunchOut) #07 @6:27 - Mythra / Camilla (XenCron2 / FE:Fates) #06 @7:58 - Sheik #05 @10:02 - Bowser / Inkling(F) #04 @11:36 - Linlee (XenCronX) #03 @13:12 - Birdo #02 @15:32 - Tharja #01 @17:09 - Jynx

[@mariajimenafigueroa233]

Thanks

[@mcalpha527]

Did this guy forget that Zero Suit Samu’s chest was shrunk from Smash 4 to Ultimate

[@66Roses]

Very minor semantic point. When a creator makes the change themselves it's "editing" not censorship. The latter is specifically when someone else makes changes to something you made. Still, the point stands. Do carry on.

[@zartoru_]

My theory for Shiek is she said she was a boy in order to not giving any clue about her real identity to ganondorf or his minions

[@PenguinTr4sh]

Mythra actually has two forms in XC2, in different points in the story/ in Torna: the golden country. The censored form wasn’t actually made for smash.

[@samreddig8819]

Yes it was. the outfit was added via an aux core called Massive Melee Mythra as a jab to smash for censoring best girl. Several more outfits were added via challenge mode dlc including swimsuits.

[@FireFury190]

@@samreddig8819 Monolithsoft made the censored outfit for Smash though, so it wasn't a jab. It being added in Xenoblade 2 was a fun bonus to celebrate Xenoblade 2's 1 year anniversary.

[@triggeredcat120]

Meanwhile my mom when she sees Samus in her Varia Suit: "Is that Metroid?"

[@billystink4611]

People are way too sensitive if they are getting offended because of fictional characters. Most of these things aren’t a big deal.

[@theperians]

True but theres a line when make something far

[@billystink4611]

@@theperians yes, but everyone’s line is different and we are letting the weakest people in our society draw those lines for everyone.

[@theperians]

@@billystink4611 Bro there is a universal line everyone agrees. Theres a difference between being sensitive. Also Women dont feel comfortable being sexualized and Men aren’t Women.

[@theperians]

Now if someone is getting mad over some leg showing then YEA they are sensitive. And its ok if some fan service but Obviously theres line that mustne be crossed in a E game.

[@billystink4611]

@@theperians I agree that there may be some vague universal lines, I just don’t agree that they extend to fictional art. As long as real people aren’t being made into victims then no harm is being done (usually). Sometimes art is meant to make people feel uncomfortable, if they are too sensitive and don’t like it, they don’t have to view it. We used to build our society around the strongest people in it. Now our society just panders to the weak, instead of making them stronger.