This ALMOST Got Smash Ultimate Cancelled

[@Siiroth]

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[@YouSoJames]

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[@EvaHellsing]

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[@donellebullock7404]

If you get offended over a game and can't handle it, you don't need to play it and need help. I can't tell you how much "offensive" stuff comes from other countries, yet its not a big deal. I'll laugh at Sentai for literally having an American with a burger in one hand and a shotgun in another as I would a native American attacking a camp being bonked on the head.

[@edwardgamerx9061]

People: Call Nintendo "racist" for not adding a "black" character (which btw is completely wrong because the is usual skin tone is clearly brown) Me: ... ... Has anyone noticed that Minecraft Steve is CLEARLY anything but NOT a white dude... ...

[@yuwu585]

I like how we completly ignore that the character chosen over Twintelle isnt even white or japanese. Meaning if Twintelle was picked, people could have said that Nintendo was being racist by not including chinese people in the game.

[@TheDarthWinner]

None of these “racist” decisions made by Nintendo would have had enough momentum to cancel smash. In fact, I doubt they would or could have had any effects on sales.

[@supremechaosbeing2696]

It's youtube, you gotta exaggerate

[@Matanumi]

@@supremechaosbeing2696 yep. All about getting clicks. fuck videos like these

[@opadrip]

@@Matanumi His other stuff was good but then this got uploaded. Seriously we didn't need a video with this exact title.

[@Chubby_Bub]

This is an interesting video but the thumbnail is one of the worst I've seen.

[@dragonball4ever2009]

Yeah this guy makes decent videos but I'm really not of a fan of his thumbnails Edit: Holy shit, I didnt really pay attention to the title and thumbnail that much but now I see the problem, the fact that the thumbnail implies that the project would've been cancelled for small grievances is textbook clickbait because he probably means "Twitter cancelled" instead but the title is intentionally misleading which could be read either way

[@claytoncgamesXD27]

The Diddy Kong as Dee Jay, it's because his monkey flip references Dee Jay's similar move, the Double Rolling Sobat.

[@Nay089]

That move is nothing like Diddy’s….

[@andyblanton6570]

@@Nay089 It's the closest one

[@Daniel_Coffman]

@@Nay089 Who in the male Smash roster does have a move more similar to the Double Rolling Sobat? Zero Suit Samus does have her Side Smash, but, come on, can you really see Dee Jay being portrayed by ZSS? Either way, though, Diddy Kong does have a more light-hearted fighting style. He's really just having fun as he fights; just like Dee Jay.

[@sajidarshad4795]

Honestly, Diddy Kong as Dee Jay doesn't seem like something to get worked up over at all. Im suprised that people think that this is a really bad deed that Nintendo did.

[@Daniel_Coffman]

@@sajidarshad4795 Indeed, as much as it may seem connected to the old racist comparison between African people and monkeys, I think that is only a western thing overall; at least, when it comes to the maliciousness of it. If Japan; as Nintendo's origin, obviously; uses stereotypes of other cultures, especially if it's stereotypes that other cultures thought up in the first place, it's not out of "hatred," but simply, not knowing any better; it's akin in my mind to children who, while having been taught the concept of stereotypes, weren't actually taught to hate these people alongside the stereotypes. Thus, I feel like even the thought of it being harmful anyway is really only a western thing, as well. No matter the case, though, is there any character in Smash other than Diddy Kong that is portrayed as being as friendly and jolly as Dee Jay? I don't think so. Not even a dark-skinned Villager is as jolly, but they obviously don't fit Dee Jay's skill in fighting at all, either.

[@vbarreiro]

So many things -DK is perfect for Mr. Sandman from a moveset perspective. The main thing about Mr. Sandman is that he punches like a truck. No better character in the roster to represent this. They were also probably wanting to avoid representing every punchout character with Little Mac spirits -The feather was trying to mimic the original game, and importantly, was removed with a statement as soon as footage of it happened. -Min Min being chosen over Twintelle is not them choosing not to include a black female character; it’s not going out of their way to choose a Smash character based on race alone. It appears that they wanted to represent Arms as a whole game with the character, for which non-armed character would be out of the running for (I’m guessing Mechanica was also not considered for the same reason) Also, they simple picked the character the creator likes best and asked them to put in the game. As for Bayonetta, the Smash Ballot never once said that any character from any ranking would definitely be in the game. They wanted survey data and we were happy to provide it but they were super non-committal with their language. -As for the trans flag, objectively speaking, “Trans Rights Now” is a political statement. It’s a call for political action, for lawmakers to do an activity. Flooding the stage builder with trans flags is also, objectively, a political action, you might even call it a small-scale political movement. Regardless of whether we agree with the political statement in question, and I personally do, it’s their right to not allow any political speech in their platform If they didn’t remove all political speech, they’d also either have to allow the other side to have full right of political free speech (so a stage saying “no trans rights” would also have to be allowed to stay, for example) or they’d be forced to take specific stances on which political stances were considered “correct” and which weren’t, and ban “incorrect”’ politics. Asking an intern to ban stages that are political is a tall order, but doable. Asking the same intern to choose which politics are correct and which aren’t is a subjective and complex task that no one person can reasonably perform perfectly.

[@nugget1631]

This should have way more likes. To add on, nobody owes us anything, including our top roster picks. I understand not liking Byleth being added to the game, but nobody is forcing you to buy the character. It’s completely unfair to baby rage, send death threats, or try to get a game canceled because you personally didn’t like an addition to something that was generous for taking your opinions in the first place.

[@wolfhead-hx2mn]

@@nugget1631 straight facts.

[@themetalgamer9864]

Ugh. I hate repeating myself. Two genders: Male and political. Two races: White and political. Two sexualities: Heterosexual and political. Etc.

[@vbarreiro]

@@themetalgamer9864 I’m not sure I fully get the point you are trying to make, but just in case let me rephrase: Calling for legislation, or calling for changing the rights of a given group, etc. is by definition a political act. Rising awareness of a call for legislation is a political action. Protesting a perceived slight by joining en-masse and replicating the original political action is a political movement. It has exactly zero to do with the actual cause these politics champion, objectively, the actions I listed are political actions, and if political actions are not allowed on a platform, it’s normal for the actions I listed to be removed from it. It could as easily have been “stop greenhouse gases now”, or “greenhouse gases are fake news stop legislating around it”, or “stop abortions now”, or “free abortions now”, or “gun control now” or “gun control over my dead body”. All of these are identical to the original “trans rights now” in that they are a call for political action, for a change in legislation and often in societal values, and any reasonable moderator that is told to remove political speech would remove all of these. In short, there’s nothing inherently political about being LGBTQ+, black, a woman, etc. Calling for political action based on said traits (or any traits) though, is political.

[@Jellyman1129]

Finally, someone gets it. Honestly the feather was the dumbest of them all. I get the origin of it, but like come on, it’s a FEATHER in a VIDEO GAME!

[@NintenUnity]

The Min Min & Twintelle situation is the biggest joke to me. Nintendo can add who they want to the game, they shouldn't be forced to bend over backwards to please the crybaby woke crowd. Min Min was the most popular character among fans and among the creator of the game, so it makes sense to choose her.

[@combatwombat8742]

I agree Min Min was much more popular

[@Sp3ctralI]

Min min is my main in ARMs even lol, and also the crybabies get mad if there’s a game other than donkey Kong, Kirby, Mario, or Zelda in a Nintendo direct.

[@corran4362]

It makes sense Twintelle uses her HAIR not her ARMS so it doesn't make sense if she was the representative for ARMS Edit: I never expected this amount of likes

[@zapp7938]

@@corran4362 Exactly. In the reveal that the next fighter was from ARMS, there was literally a graphic saying "This fighter's arms can extend!" Twintelle's arms clearly cannot extend so she should have been off the table from the start.

[@liquidscreamisnomore]

The Min Min & Twintelle thing is extra BS because Min Min was the only character that had enough moveset potential to actually work.

[@quesobuddy]

I'm more ok with Byleth in Smash and will always argue for their inclusion in Ultimate. The difference between them and Corrin has to do with the success of the games. While Fates sold well, it wasn't that well received amongst fans, so I feel like they could've done without Corrin (even though I like playing as Corrin). Three Houses has some fans that weren't pleased with the way it came, it overall pleased the majority of fans. Old fans were happy to see that it leaned away from being a "Waifu simulation," having one of the worst stories in Fire Emblem history, and having the shallowest cast in the series to something that felt like Fire Emblem, but different. Yeah, the differences between Three Houses and classic Fire Emblem were enough to deter some fans, but it was enough to keep the majority happy and bring way more fans to the series, even more than Awakening did. If Corrin wasn't in Smash I truly believe that Byleth would'nt have been such a big deal simply because it made much more sense than adding in Corrin.

[@no-xp7mx]

I hate corrin and like byleth

[@spongefan6170]

@@no-xp7mx I hate Byleth.

[@maikayee246]

The problem is it STILL a dating simulator.

[@quesobuddy]

@@maikayee246 I dont really see an issue with the ability to marry at the end of the game. It doesn't impact the story and is optional (Sothis is kinda dumb though). For the most part it feels like you learn more about every character through their supports with Byleth than with Corrin. With Corrin the marriages felt more forced where as with Byleth we get much better lead up and character development than we ever did with Corrin. There's also no visiting quarters anymore, which was weird. I think the way they incorporated relationships in Three Houses was a much better executed part of the game than before and I saw no issues with it for the most part (I'm looking at you there Sothis).

[@byronlyons3548]

@@maikayee246 Kind of not really. You see, you're missing the point, when you obviously don't know the clear difference between 3 Houses, and Fates, on why one is a clear dating simulator. The problem is that Fates not only has you hooking up multiple characters with each other, but for silly reasons to let them have kids, and their kids grows up immediately and becomes playable during the game as well. Hell, Awakening didn't start that at all, and it was Genealogy of the Holy War where it all began with the "dating simulator". Just that Awakening and Genealogy had their own, and obviously better ways of implementing it to the story, rather than "just because" like Fates did. Which is where and why people drew the line. 3 Houses falls in line with most of the older Fire Emblem games, in that the main character will end up going out with the one who they have the most support with (minus Marth obviously). Like 7, the first one we got for the west, where Eliwood could marry just about any girl he has the most support with, only at the end of the game. Just more streamlined, and easier than waiting several hundred turns with the units close to one another, during battle.

[@Levi_The_One_The_Only]

The Min-Min vs Twintelle "race issue" is probably one of the biggest loads of bullshit I've heard in awhile

[@RangersNation-qk4px]

Yea

[@YMangaka]

But thats what makes the "racist card" such a Yu-Gi-Oh level of destructiveness cause its sooo easy to play and basically *anyone* can use it ! Look: "Oh! This new smash has no black character in it. THATS RACIST !" (Nintendo puts a black character in it) "Oh! That one specific small detail about that black character makes him somehow slightly look like a stereotype.. THATS RACIST !" Its like playing "triggered anti-racism troll" is easier and more effective than trying to get K.Rool in elite smash.

[@thatonearanara]

Min min can kick and actually uses her arms, that’s why, as min min can kick she has a more diverse move set and represents arms but also herself while twintell uses her hair which doesn’t represent arms

[@monokuma7746]

good point this has been an issue for ages happened in pokemon, animal crossing, mario and more@@YMangaka

[@YMangaka]

@@monokuma7746 ikr. All that just because America has to deal with their own shameful History toward black people. Sometimes, i feel like they get so scared of "being racist", they even forget what REALLY makes somethin racist or not. I mean, is the depiction of the pokémon Jinx racist for having black skin and big lips ?! NO!.. its not like they called it "n..gab!tch" or portrayed her as a slave ! Its just a pokémon with big kissy lips on dark skin ! Chill out, guys ! 🙄

[@detectivepancakes3095]

I don't see the sandman thing as racist, I see it more as really fitting since donkey kong is a big strong character who has really strong punches, that was my view and the other reason I didn't even consider, looking now though, I do think it makes sense with the issues it recieved

[@andyblanton6570]

The issues were that a 40 year old white woman needed something to bitch about.

[@youtubecat3809]

twitter users using 100% of their brain to try to label things as racist:

[@superstarman420]

In the Arcade Version of Super Punch Out Donkey Kong Replaced Mr. Dream as the Final boss btw.

[@ZoofyZoof]

@@superstarman420 What the hell are you talking about? That isn't true

[@noodlesandeggs1512]

@@youtubecat3809 Twitter users putting mental illnesses in their bio to make an excuse for criticizing entertainment-

[@mattardis]

I've reached the twintelle controversy part of the video and I just have to say JESUS CHRIST people were blowing all this shit way out of proportion. No there isnt any racism, people are looking way too deeply into this shit. The game and watch thing I can get, but fuck, everything else is a massive stretch

[@CrazyWeridoRH]

Yeah I don’t understand how people can mistake the absence of someone for the presence of bigotry. Like yeah I agree more representation is important but that’s more on the gaming industry as a whole. Smash doesn’t make OCs. It’s like going to Ireland and calling everyone racist for it being too white.

[@firewolf950tfwgaming7]

The dumb thing with people wanting twintelle is that she’s not really a good pick to represent ARMS. While coming from arms, her focus is on her hair which is fine when most of the roster is already fulfilling the requirements, but if you want to represent a game with one character, picking the character whose main attribute is completely contradictory to the franchise they’re coming from is stupid. It’s like if super mario was a new ip smash and instead of adding mario, they added the goomba.

[@cometthecarrier6304]

I remembered seeing it go down, and I can say from own perspective, nobody was ever actually upset. It was more of people saying, "After the stuff with Game & Watch Native feather, and the spirits incident, it would have been good to have a dark skinned female character in Smash.". Or at worst, "Do you think them turning down Twintelle over Min Min has anything to do with race?". No actual accusations until those super edgy and angry "anti-woke" crowd blew it up and said the community was raging. It was a fake controversy blown up by ignorant people mad about nothing. Just the Paw Patrol thing.

[@ProtoForte]

isn't min-min chinese? that is basically a previously unrepresented minority in smash as well.

[@lionah7062]

@@cometthecarrier6304 Preach

[@Sp3ctralI]

I just think people take things way too personally or read way too far into things, if something political is blocked or taken down, or a specific skin tone is used, not all the time, but it’s quite common. Nintendo is avoiding political things, from what I’m seeing, but people get too hurt about it.

[@mfauzan1286]

I know right

[@mirzapramudya1580]

Notice how all the backlash came from Twitter, when Siiroth said "social media" he meant Twitter. If you know Twitter, you know why we shouldn't care for those complains of racism

[@sheepinatree]

@@mirzapramudya1580 Absolutely.

[@furby9284]

That would be a perfectly valid argument if ALL political statements were taken down. Yet only ones supporting trans people were being taken down. And political statements aren’t even against Nintendo’s rules for posting stages. There’s more to it than just that.

[@Sp3ctralI]

@@furby9284 They want to avoid any controversy so they avoid LGBT terms and likely who to vote for, because games are supposed to be an escape from the world, not a bulletin board where you throw every political belief you have out there.

[@GBA-049]

My mother in the background after hearing the Twintelle diversity issue: "IT'S A JAPANESE GAME! Why does it have to be an American thing?!" An excellent point to be honest, lol

[@yamilethgomez296]

You have an awesome mom.

[@GBA-049]

@@yamilethgomez296 Thanks

[@IAm-zo1bo]

why u lying, no mom would be that awesome

[@GBA-049]

@@IAm-zo1bo You'd be surprised

[@kylespevak6781]

It what we do in American. We force our views onto cultures and people that don't share them, then attack them for not doing what we want. You know, progressive liberalism

[@dappitydingdong1219]

smash was never going to get "cancelled" because of byleth, people were just annoyed it was a wasted slot. nothing big enough to make them stop playing or "cancel" it

[@lilharm]

I want to say isn’t it better that they didn’t choose Twintails solely because of her race? cause that’s basically saying the only important thing about her is her race… not any special character traits, or cool moves…

[@mrboost4186]

Welcome to wokeism. Race is the most important factor to these people always.

[@monokuma7746]

black serpemasie @@mrboost4186

[@Honestmairda]

Welcome to the future where race, gender, and sexuality is the only important qualities in a person

[@HypercatZ]

@@mrboost4186 Do you remember when inclusivism meant to have a character with some kind of handicap (blind, mute, on wheelchair or missing a arm) in your show? Pepperidge farm remembers!

[@2011supergamer]

I think it's worth noting that stages that simply contained the trans flag, with no addition of the word "Rights" were mostly untouched. Any statement pushing for civil rights is objectively a political statement, many people arguing for it would agree, as to disagree would diminish the importance of it.

[@thecelestialstarship]

Wasn't it said in the video that political statements aren't even against Nintendo's custom stage terms?

[@BeskarDevil]

Yeah I guarantee if you put up other political statements they’d also be taken down

[@grassy4104]

I mean like if you put a Trump for 2024 sign in a level you would get taken down

[@BeskarDevil]

@@grassy4104 yeah so even though they didn’t explicitly state it as a rule, it’s not like they were specifically targeting that flag. I still think the only real controversies here are the melee situation and the….crimes some players committed.

[@grassy4104]

@@BeskarDevil also they probably would get a lot of complaints in countries that don't like LGBTQ

[@greenfroggy333]

I don’t think that Nintendo did anything “wrong” in this video. There may have been some widely disagreed upon things, but nothing was outright wrong.

[@thatblueghost2296]

The feather is the only thing actually wrong. It was not done with ill intent as they wanted to just emulate the original game, and I doubt Native American and indigenous history is talked about very much in Japan, as opposed to the americas, but it’s still definitely wrong. It’s not something to get mad at, but it’s good that attention was drawn to it.

[@greenfroggy333]

@@thatblueghost2296 Yeah, I don't think that the higher ups at Nintendo were like "yeah let's discriminate against the native Americans".

[@snufkin8940]

I think one of the worst things in this video is them deciding that trans people deserving to live is apparently a political statement, and that's considering how swiftly they corrected the feather, vs this being an ongoing issue

[@YMangaka]

@@snufkin8940 do you even realize that publicly standing for trans (or other "different") people DO count as politic statement ?! Why do you think nobody ever go freely claiming that around them except during massive manifestations ?? Cause that implies a way of thinking that may lead to controverse with people against it ! And Nintendo is an entertainement company ! They're not here to let people claim rights for gays, or death for jews, or everything inbetween. Thats not their place and smash is definitely NOT the support to spread those ideas !

[@YMangaka]

The current problem with people from the US is that, because THEY have a problematic past with different cultures, they start to see racism even in *japanese* products made by a country who doesnt even share the same culture they developped toward whats racist and whats not ! And Nintendo is not the only case. Just look at the "Mr Popo (from DBZ) case". Its the same thing we get with the pokémon Jinx : ok in japan, racist in the US, so the US concider japan racist even if THEY (the US) were the one who made it a racist thing in their territory. Maybe the US should just stop judging japan like they're just as bad as themself and they would see who's really to blame.

[@Apocalypso64]

People introducing race issues to Smash need to calm down. Not everything needs to be a race issue. Sure, there is a distinct lack of black female characters in Smash, but why is that a problem specifically? This isn't the real world; it's a game. There's literally no reason to introduce real-world issues into a game.

[@gio4931]

Not only that dude but it’s a Japanese company, these people are so self centered with their agenda they ironically forget about other cultures trying to shove other cultures into a god damn video game

[@gio4931]

@@wompwompcryabttit did I say I didn’t like seeing them? Obviously there’s black people dude don’t be stupid but they aren’t a big enough character to be considered to be added except twintelle, but again, she had her own reasons for not being added and that’s fine.

[@gio4931]

@@wompwompcryabttit also let me just say I was referring to his Twitter loves to complain about shit that doesn’t actually offend them, they do this all the time. They love to make non issues, issues. People keep making race and issue when it shouldn’t be, for everyone being equal people really like brining up skin color all the time.

[@roaryes7536]

@@wompwompcryabttit as I agree with a lot of what you said name 3 black female characters you can make a moveset out of

[@sheepinatree]

@@wompwompcryabttit Gio's point stands. Nintendo is based in Japan. Japan and America are different and separate. If they want to take their product in a certain direction, even if we here think it's shit, it's within their ability to do so. If you don't like it, then walk away. Don't give Nintendo your time, money, or patronage. Plus, he never said anything even remotely disparaging towards black characters. Show me the words that he said. Highlight them. Reply. Show me. They literally aren't there.

[@danielkells6021]

The Racist spirits controversy was a massive grasping at straws if you ask me, hell the Tac spirit wouldn't even involve a character if they didn't change the race of the 7th and 8th pallette for Villager

[@cometthecarrier6304]

Like with all of these, those controversies were blown way out of proportion by those super anti-woke people. Everything I saw to do with the spirits was people asking why it was that way, because admittedly, if you've never played the games that the spirits were from it does look suspicious. Or I'd see people making light of it and joking around because it wasn't that serious. It only became a fake controversy when people started complaining about, "Those damn snowflakes complaining again".

[@PlayrR3D156]

Well, Isabell still could've been used because she has a fishing rod and bug net.

[@MelancholyJoker19]

@@cometthecarrier6304 Nobody was fake complaining about people actually complaining about the spirits

[@rest1585]

What do you mean? Daniel?

[@UndertakerU2ber]

@@cometthecarrier6304 When you have activists at Kotaku and Polygon writing hitpieces about Smash Bros being “racist”, that’s a pretty big deal. Kotaku even accused Smash Bros of being ableist claiming that the Persona 5 singer sang the lyrics “r*tarded - I can say it” as if she’s announcing that she’s going to freely insult people’s intelligence with that word without caring how offensive it is. No dude, these people had MELTDOWNS over Nintendo seemingly stating that the muscular African American boxer looks like a giant gorilla. These are the same types of people that will visit Asian countries and think they’ve found a Nazi-worshipping temple just because it has a swastika-like symbol out front. Don’t try hiding the fact that these are some of the most uneducated, racist people in the US and actively seek for reasons to be offended.

[@fluffydemon1]

Tbh I didn't even know Min Min had major drama around it I thought only Byleth caused a large amount of anger among the smash community

[@ThatBeingCed]

Just Resetera being offended at people breathing the wrong way.

[@juanrodriguez9971]

Min Min seems to be only one of those stupid Twitter moments like usual, let's be happy it didn't go to far.ñ for too long.

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Min Min got a lot of flak coming after an FE character and Nintendo prematurely announcing we’d get an Arms Rep, when you think about it, the wait from Terry to Steve was hell.

[@fluffydemon1]

@@brandonwilliams6119 ah that's fair. For me personally I was kinda excited for Byleth because I made a joke about them getting in a month or 2 before their release and I wasn't really disappointed by Min min so that wait wasn't as bad for me.

[@crikeybaguette4564]

Pretty sure Pyra and Mythra caused as much anger as Byleth, if not even more.

[@altermann1991]

People who believe Twintelle lost due to racism are really looking for something to complain. I mean sure Twintelle is popular, but she doesn't even fight with her arms, so she'd be honestly a poor pick to represent the series, not to mention that Min-Min is the most popular Arms-character. Really the only alternatives were in my opinion Springman, Ribbon Girl, Ninjara or Max Brass.

[@juanrodriguez9971]

Yeah, Americans on Twitter have too much free time and an unhealthy obsession with race, they have to chill for a moment and THINK before talking.

[@juanrodriguez9971]

@@wompwompcryabttit yeah, keep believing that lie bro, there _sure_ are hundreds of laws saying how you must treat poorly people because of their color, the business those hates skin colors _sure_ are the majority, and _sure you believing this lie has nothing to with you just wanting to feel special blaming things on what happened like 50 years ago, you have been fighting racism since the moment I was born and I'm yet to see a real person hating on black people because they are black, the only reason I have seen someone hating one is because the personality of the black one was fckng disgusting. Have you ever thought that it isn't racism but just interacting with awful people who likes to be awful? Like, even the cops, why being a terrible guy with one side of the population when they clearly like to do it with everyone? Oh yeah! Because that doesn't generate any controversy, because you don't care about cops being terrible people towards white people, only when it happens towards blacks and themes reporters know that about you. And what's best, my comment is pretty likely to be deleted because I'm using the word black multiple times and not a single social media wants to be seen as racist, I can't even use that fckng color on my own language safety because of you.

[@z3nmode970]

Im black and i like min min her dragon deisign is cool and i wanted ninjara so the twintelle shit doesn't bother me and its a japanese game company I dont like that western people try to push their ideals on others is a load of crap

[@roaryes7536]

Honestly I’m glad but surprised ribbon girl was the rep

[@plantgang8738]

@@wompwompcryabttit witch ones?cause all the slaves died like 100s of years ago and racism has been seen as bad for like 60 years

[@max-lee1203]

Like a wise man once said "Corrin is the Shrek the Third to Byleth's Shrek Forever After!" Edit: Obviously, some people don't get the reference and are taking it way too seriously. It's from a Schaffrilas Productions vid about Fire Emblem. Just go watch it. Edit the Sequel: No, I don't hate Byleth (In fact, I love Three Houses). Yes, I disliked Corrin and their game before the reveal. Edit the Third: All of this is opinion based. Chill. Edit Forever After: If you like Corrin that's great. If someone says they dislike Corrin don't hate that person for hating Corrin. You should never berate someone because you have different opinions.

[@lordogaming0998]

lol

[@newfacepaula]

then what is Chrom, Lucina or Robin then? Shrek 2? lol

[@zenronez1158]

So you attended the message of the great tomatoa

[@NickMix]

Is that a MOTHER F*CKING SCHAFFRILLAS REFERENCE!

[@jmurray1110]

Not really shrek 3 is considered the quest one and furecee after has kind of a cult classic thing due to his absurd it is Corrin was better due to the unique dragon stuff and anti-Rosalina stuff in Smash 4

[@chackle5002]

Robin and Lucinda weren’t included to promote their games, they were included because sakurai was playing awakening on his off time

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Also Awakening was out for 2 years before Smash 4 which gave the Awakening Characters time to gain a fanbase and it even succeeded without Smash.

[@Yarharsuperpirate]

That and awakening was the top selling FE game at the time, and was out for several years by then. Anyone who thought that the game wasn't going to get a rep on the Wii U clearly had no idea what they were talking about. And in the pre release days, there was ALOT of Robin and Chrom supporters who were pushing for them. And Lucina was also understandable, being an almost 0 effort echo fighter. They take like 1/5th of the dev time of a normal fighter.

[@gabrielsya1770]

Ah yes, my favorite FE character: Lucinda

[@sherbertshortkake6649]

@@Yarharsuperpirate ... Part of me wants to say 'and the successful games of other franchises don't deserve reps' but I don't want to start arguments for no reason. Do you want to debate?

[@angelmoran4576]

The main reason min min was picked was because its supposedly the most popular arms character in Japan or something like that

[@diamonshade7484]

Also it was the creators favorite

[@angelmoran4576]

@@diamonshade7484 exactly

[@gameguru7575]

Thank you for mentioning the ballot. As soon as sora was announced, even though i was really happy about it, i was immediately requesting Nintendo to share the results

[@diamonshade7484]

Same but ppl crazy tho

[@SonicTheCutehog]

Most of Ultimate's controversies were just stupid people putting race into a platform fighter game.

[@zadock6370]

true

[@orangeslash1667]

@@zadock6370 Japan is not known for blacks.

[@zadock6370]

@@orangeslash1667 that too.

[@NindyBK]

@@orangeslash1667 you did not just say "blacks" 💀💀💀

[@nintendoplaystationandxbox1088]

True

[@pufferfishman4203]

I’m just saying: byleth is honestly one of the more unique FE characters, I’d say them, robin and marth are the most unique characters within that series reps, everyone else are mostly marth remakes

[@mirzapramudya1580]

Add Ike to that list, he's pretty unique imo. And altough I hate Corrin, he's also pretty unique

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Well, being a unique FE character, who is the 8th in their series and also DLC can’t really save you from hate and criticism, also Corrin and Chrom not allowing a cooldown period after Smash 4 busting a nut for Awakening. I mean I’d love to see Smash bust a nut for Warioware and add Jimmy, 9 Volt, Ashley, Mona Etc.

[@pufferfishman4203]

@@brandonwilliams6119 yeah some series were under repped. If I were to change the amount of characters in the FE section of SSBU, I’d have marth, Roy, ike, robin, corrin, and byleth, but that’s just my preference

[@orangeslash1667]

@@mirzapramudya1580 the Reason for fate's sloppy story, is because the writers where trying to achieve too much with not enough time. Intelligents Systems had an idea for Fate to have three stories to appeal to everyone, but they realized that they didn't have enough writers. So they hired an outside writer, Shin Kibayashi was that writer. Nintendo wanted Shin to write the outline for each pathway, what happened instead is that Shin wrote 500 pages for each pathway. Nintendo knew this was too long so they cut the story into pieces without the writers permission and the fact the Nintendo demanded Fates come on the Fire Emblem Anniversary only made things worse. Which resulted in this hilariously mess of a story. The good news this that there is a manga based on Fates that is a little better. Its called Fire Emblem If: the Crown of Niberlung.

[@mirzapramudya1580]

@@orangeslash1667 ahh, that makes sense

[@LazyStarrfish]

Wouldn’t Min-Min be considered an Asian character??

[@Sp3ctralI]

I’m not sure, but judging by how she is ramen themed I think she might be Japanese, also the stage looks sort of Japanese themed. While Ninjara is a ninja, so probably Chinese, especially with the ninja academy looking Chinese.

[@ThunderBrine]

This is not about race, its about skin color AKA colorism.

[@andresiturra]

@@Sp3ctralI I think ninjas are also japaneese

[@furby9284]

She’s Chinese. However, she doesn’t have obviously darker skin like Twintelle. Hence, the fake woke crowd thinks that Min Min isn’t a POC while Twintelle is.

[@juanrodriguez9971]

The Asian game adding asian character representing Asia? This is the first time it happens in Smash!

[@codytoeung5089]

I’ll have to criticize this video on the racial controversy section. The whole issue of race representations is very unlikely to be intentional. People on the internet, especially in the US, love to overblown political issues in video games, and this is a game from a country that doesn’t focus on the same politics. Let alone are knowledgeable about any of these issues to treat them how we do.

[@codytoeung5089]

I’ll also add on that Elma and Iris are ambiguously dark skinned and Shantae, being a genie, is more Middle Eastern than black.

[@deadeyed2454]

That's what I hate about some of the western Twitter users. They get too involved in topics they really have little to no jurisdiction over.

[@MasketGaming]

The Byleth thing was stupid. Yes FE is overrepresented. But Byleth plays super different and that is what matters no?

[@zipline3068]

Sakurai said the uniqueness and how fun the character is what matters most. Plus, Nintendo get the final say on who makes it in anyway. Why not choose the protagonist of the best selling game in the franchise?

[@Yoshixandir]

Plus at this point, fire emblem makes sense since three houses sold really good. Even if byleth wasn't the last dlc for season 1, he probably would've gotten in due to three house success

[@averageboi]

Even if I'm mad about Byleth, I won't deny that their moveset is very fun and very unique

[@espurrseyes42]

@@zipline3068 Because they've literally been doing that since Robin after ever game from then on (besides the ass Gaiden remake) becomes the "best-selling game in the franchise". And that's on top of the overrepresentation. There's no excuse for some niche, formerly JP exclusive series that almost died and thinks 2M to 3M sales is an achievement should be overrepping Zelda a series with a super iconic game in the industry that sold over 7M in its time and recently had that number obliterated with GotY-winning BotW's 20M or so.

[@orangeslash1667]

The reason is in Japan, RPGs are everything to them the same way Shooters are popular in the west. It's just Nintendo finds it easier to put in more Fire Emblem characters than to use Monster Hunter, Golden Sun, Yu-Gi-oh, or Tales of.

[@kylespevak6781]

8:50 This is pretty much only under the assumption that they actively chose not to include Twintelle because she's a black female. You worded this like "Min-Min took the spot from Twintelle" when in reality, it was always going to be Min-Min because that's who they chose

[@ZetaBetaTheAlpha]

Honestly the people complaining about the spirit choices are the REAL racists for even thinking about the comparisons in the first place. I doubt that was even on the mind of anyone working in Sakurai's team.

[@cyandeoidre2375]

On god - From a Black Person

[@CrazyWeridoRH]

When I first saw Sandman I jokingly said “Oof. That doesn’t look good” but didn’t really think too much of it after that. Just something that looks bad out of context. But sadly context doesn’t matter to a lot of people.

[@ElFreakinCid]

It really reminds me of back in 2016 when some people suddenly decided Waluigi is antisemitic. Why? Because he's greedy and sneaky and has a long prominent nose. And they called NINTENDO the bigots over that. And it got to the point where Nintendo had to stop the madness by coming out and saying Waluigi isn't circumcized and therefore could not be Jewish. We can now picture what Waluigi's dick looks like, whether we want to or not, because people retroactively throwing a fit on the internet forced Nintendo's hand.

[@thatonearanara]

People are going directly to racism and not the fact that the spirits make sense but the cat could have been Isabelle and Min min has a more diverse move set than twintelle but also actually punches

[@kylespevak6781]

9:00 There's also a lack of Asians, Latinos, indigenous people (took that reference out) quadrupedals, and fish. Why do people want to force everything into everything? A dish with less seasonings will taste better than one with every seasoning

[@theotherjared9824]

The people that actually participated in these controversies lead the most comfortable lives ever.

[@sheepinatree]

The people who whine the loudest are the ones with the least perspective on how good they really have it. Egocentrism is tricky like that. It's allowed to thrive because we're comfortable.

[@BigRedAltoids]

Exactly. People who actually have to deal with real problems like poverty, lack of education, unsafe neighborhoods and homes, and the like don't have time to care about frivolous things like the race of characters in a silly fighting game or whether you can put a trans flag on a custom stage. These people are content to run their mouths about these little problems while children starve, women are beaten, and men are murdered, sometimes just a few neighborhoods away.

[@ikatulo_yt]

I really enjoyed this video but my main problem with most of these arguments is the assumption of negative intent. At the end of the day Sakurai and the team at Sora limited have no practical reason to be racist (coming from a person of color), this passion should be focused more on new games, its not smash's place to add a person of color just to add one, and it would be done disenguineously. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@codytoeung5089]

Yeah this! I was gonna comment this myself, but yeah, even the fact that there’s an assumption of malintent is just ugh

[@RustyCog]

11:20 it is a political statement, saying “rights” implies that they don’t have the political influence of others which at least where I live simply isn’t the case. I think it’s just one butthole at Nintendo taking down trans flags.

[@Sp3ctralI]

I think the reason black characters aren’t too common in games, is because the companies are nervous about accidentally using a racist stereotype or something else racist. Thus the characters not have too much a role.

[@Adamatronamus]

I recall controversy over Ff7 remake. A positive, single dad, environmental activist was still not good enough.

[@Adamatronamus]

@@wompwompcryabttit Many outside groups saw one look at him on the trailer without playing the game and considered him a negative sterotype.

[@espurrseyes42]

@@wompwompcryabttit People were also literally bitching about him just because he gets angry and shoots stuff. Which he's been doing since the original 1997 game, so clearly these people were late to the party.

[@CrazyWeridoRH]

Imagine you’re having a picnic by the lake, you invite all of your friends, and you cut a watermelon to give to everyone. But then you stop your black friend and tell him that you can’t give him a slice of watermelon because you don’t want to look racist. That’s how that sounds. A hilarious/fucked up vicious cycle of irony.

[@kylespevak6781]

@@CrazyWeridoRH This is a great explanation of "racism" in America. People are so scared to be racist, that they end up doing and saying super racist stuff

[@Plague_Gurl049]

A lot of these controversies kinda baffle me, I do agree that things like the game and watch one should have been changed and it did, but the Min Min and TwinTale debate is kinda childish, Min Min won out because she was not only the most popular but better represented arms as a whole

[@cometthecarrier6304]

There was no Min Min and Twintelle debate. It was just people bringing up that they would have liked Twintelle for the representation of black females in smash, or at worst, wondering if there was any possibility of race playing a part in choosing Min Min over her. It only blew up, and I use that term very lightly, because those ignorant anti-woke type people got angry over nothing and started throwing around allegations that the smash community was calling Nintendo racist. It was a whole lot of nothing from bitter and ignorant people.

[@MelancholyJoker19]

@@cometthecarrier6304 No there were people genuinely upset that Min Min got picked over Twintelle because of the BLM movement in the US Which was doomed to fail because these decisions are made in advanced. They weren't going to change it to Twintelle just because something going on in the US

[@ZaxFSO8083]

Did people really say or think Byleth wasn’t ‘overly unique’? Cuz uh, they use 4 different weapons in there play style, if it was monster hunter character instead would people call their moveset not overly unique in some parallel universe. I’d love to discuss this.

[@Wooktent]

I get the rest, but the people that think MinMin was chosen because of racism need to grow up a bit. That's ridiculous and a huge reach.

[@smasherjosh5000]

I remember hearing about Smash Ultimate before the game's launch, got a school shut down due to the staff misinterpreting the Smash Emblem as something dangerous

[@AshenDemon]

8:25 Yup, because with Twitter everything has to be about race, it's not like the character lost due to the popularity contest or because the developer of Arms asked Sakurai to put Min Min in the game. It's because she's black.

[@InkyDustMan]

Honestly, Nintendo really has a love-hate relationship with a large part of it's fanbase, always has. The big "N" has always had a "my way or the highway" attitude for a lot of things, partly because that's what's kept them in business for decades, or at least that's what they think. The matter of Min Min makes sense in full context, since not only is Min Min one of, if not the most popular character from Arms, you also have to keep in mind that Nintendo is a Japanese owned, and based company, so it's only natural they prioritize characters that would appeal most to their home market, the Diddy and Donkey Kong are for obvious reasons, more difficult to explain, but to put it bluntly, Japan as a country sort of has a reputation of being less than educated about foreigners, especially those with drastically different cultures and skin color. Not to say that it's malicious, but it is definitely ignorance and controversies like this are common among Japanese media depicting foreigners, because quite frankly, the average Japanese person in a lot of places just plain hasn't seen many foreigners, and when they do meet foreigners, Japan has some of the thickest cultural barriers towards people from the west. Honestly, the game and watch detail is just weird, possibly Nintendo trying to pay tribute to the older version out of misguided nostalgia? I don't really understand the logic behind that one. It's not likely to be intentionally racist in any way as it is just a strange design choice, after all, Nintendo being a Japanese business quite literally has no steak in the history of Native Americans, again, likely ignorance, but not malice. The Trans thing is likely something to do with Japan's highly conservative culture, and as such, Nintendo was trying to avoid upsetting people who may see those levels in their native country, oddly, making things more political by saying you don't want your game to be political, ironic. And of course, Nintendo has always been on a crusade against emulation and fan made content for ages, and likely also will be for ages. Nintendo consoles are always the first consoles to be emulated for every single generation, there's actually already some functional Switch and WiiU emulators, so to some degree, it makes sense why Nintendo is always trying to bury emulators as much as possible, even overseas, especially when you realize that game emulation is even more legally dubious in Japan, and I think possibly even outright illegal. The vast majority of controvery you'll see about Nintendo, will be due to it still functioning as a Japan-based company, rather than thinking more internationally. Unfortunate, but that's how it is, and how it will be for the foreseeable future until either Japan has a lasting cultural shift, or Nintendo does.

[@Aerobolt91]

When it comes to Byleth, it's kind of interesting. There weren't any characters that I was wanting from either fighters pass except a second Xenoblade rep (Be it Elma or Rex/Pyra/Mythra) I was just in it for the hype and for seeing the roster grow. I just wanted the new characters; I didn't really care who it was! ...But even I as a guy who did not care that much felt the sting of disappointment with Byleth. Fire Emblem really is overrepresented in my opinion... However! I have since gotten over it because Byleth IS fun to play, has good music, and is a much more unique character than Chrom or Lucina. And I did get my Pyra/Mythra, so who cares? In the end that is all that matters, right? Steve and Sora though... I still cannot believe it... They were also characters I wanted, but was CONVINCED it wouldn't.

[@roaryes7536]

Hot take there’s no such thing as over representation we have greninga pikachu incenaroar mewtwo Lucario jigglypuff pichu then Pokémon trainer so including trainer as three different characters 10 Pokémon are In the game yet many people still wanted cinderace the problem is everyone’s the fire emblem character feel like COUNTER SWORD SWORD COUNTER if we didn’t have chrom and Lucina there would be WAY less hate IMO

[@mirzapramudya1580]

@@roaryes7536 atleast Chrom and Lucina were echoes, the problem is Corrin, he/she was another sword character with a counter. Byleth was more unique in the sense he/she uses 4 different weapons for each directional input other than swords. Also he/she doesn't have a counter and has a really unique up B. Corrin? A stunning Neutral B Another kick Side B Another flying Up B And a counter for Down B

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Even Sakurai came out himself and said there are too many Fire Emblem characters but then followed up saying Nintendo chooses the characters not him.

[@brandonwilliams6119]

@@roaryes7536 Well of course it’s fucking Pokémon the highest grossing media franchise which can survive on it’s own Merits unlike Fire Emblem. A Mario and Pokémon Rep is always expected in a new Smash, Fire Emblem is nothing like those 2, not even close despite Nintendo constantly shoving it down our throats.

[@brandonwilliams6119]

@@mirzapramudya1580 Corrin’s problem is not just being hated, it’s the fact that they need to carry around a lame chainsaw sword despite having dragon powers doesn’t make much use of them but only as throws and their counter. Their aerial sword swings feel like other typical FE character aerial sword swings.

[@opadrip]

Alternate title: People are too sensitive about some things.

[@cartermyler4180]

I love this!

[@byronlyons3548]

Don't forget about irrationally dumb.

[@Yoshixandir]

Basically Twitter stupidity in smash

[@alexandresmgc374]

But and the casa of suspicious Black villager

[@raider4341]

The internet will get pissed at things that really don’t matter

[@Tank-101]

I'm not trying to be racist but I feel like Donkey Kong as Mr. Sandman works, this is because both Mr. Sandman and Donkey Kong are Heavy Hitters and big

[@max-lee1203]

And Diddy Kong as Dee Jay makes sense. Diddy Kong's side special resembles Dee Jay's agile movements (Double Rolling Sobat specifically). And plus nobody else really fits Dee Jay.

[@gnarly.bulblax]

Plus Donkey Kong was in Punch Out Wii

[@PassTheSnails]

I was specifically thinking of his neutral special, the big punch move that you charge. That seems like a mr sandman thing.

[@OniLink147]

I still think any of the controversies about Nintendo *adding in their own first-party characters* are dumb as hell.

[@byronlyons3548]

Exactly this. Smash was Nintendo only crossover, first and foremost. It wasn't always about "video game's history", and the representation overall, otherwise Pacman and Duckhunt Dog would have been in since the very first game.

[@OniLink147]

@@byronlyons3548 Well Duck Hunt is a first-party Nintendo game, but I get your point. I've had people unironically say that Smash isn't about Nintendo anymore. Hell, there was one dude who gave this revisionist history BS claiming that Smash stopped being about Nintendo with Brawl because it introduced some third-parties lol

[@buttdiqq]

The entire "controversy" is just smash fans whining about everything possible and forgetting that it's a NINTENDO game. But I agree, it's idiotic as hell when people are legitimately angry over Nintendo characters getting into a Nintendo+3rd party crossover game

[@byleth9565]

A lot of people forgets about how hard it can be to obtain the rights to include characters by 3rd party companies into a game

[@stanzacosmi]

6:05 I'm still so upset they removed the bit on f-smash, and I'm native american

[@stanzacosmi]

Also for the Slippi situation, the emulator actually had the wii common key, which is a decryption key used to decrpyt files to run games.

[@Sol6ris]

As a Byleth player and Fire Emblem fan, I’m glad the cast is the way it is. Of course I am.

[@MarioNintendo]

Me too, personally I’m a male Corrin player and my character gets hate and gets ignored all the time, even if Corrin is mentioned it’s about the female Corrin and my personal favorite is left out, I’m personally happy with Ultimates roster, though I would have liked for Waluigi

[@monokuma7746]

i can see the problem with Byleth with more it was not 3rd party cause when u look at the dlc pack u get big characters like joker and banjo and kazooie but to end it with another fire emblem character it feels kinda lame

[@Sol6ris]

@@monokuma7746 to be fair, it issss a “nintendo” party platformer

[@opadrip]

10:54 Yeah okay this was really stupid drama ngl. Fun fact: I posted a MAGA stage once after the incident to test whether or not Nintendo was biased towards political statements or not, and it got taken down as I expected. Whether you feel like it was a good cause or not is irrelevant because Nintendo games are just not the place for these real world propagandas, of course some things do slip between the radar here and there but with sales of over 8 million players posting things, it's impossible to get everything, and usually the things they do catch, well 99% of the time they do deserve to get taken down, and not for personal reasons. Twitter kids just take everything personally, even when it's clear that it was never meant to be in the first place.

[@Sp3ctralI]

Yeah, people are way too worked up over liking the same gender.

[@kazzfuchsia1073]

Being trans is not political though, like how being a straight man isn’t political. MAGA is.

[@graciealvarez2568]

@@kazzfuchsia1073 Discussing the rights of someone is by definition political, as politics need to change to enforce these rights. Therefore, discussing trans rights is discussing politics, just like how discussing women rights, men rights, animal rights etc. would be political.

[@kazzfuchsia1073]

@@graciealvarez2568 that isn’t politics. Peoples lives shouldn’t be political, it should be common sense. But idiots make it be.

[@graciealvarez2568]

@@kazzfuchsia1073 Like I said, it is by definition political. Wether it should be that way or not is another story.

[@thedillpickleman015]

I feel like people only allow diversity for race and gender. when if we stretch out diversity A LOT more then it should be not an issue. We have Steve a very blocky man that can craft and place down blocks, PAC-MAN a yellow sphere with limbs and chomps like a champ, Duck Hunt Dog who is not a duo but a trio with his duck friend and human behind the screen zapping the opponents. I can go on and on man.

[@leahcim6941]

12:22 "and when I say touch on it I really mean that" is that like...pun intended or what

[@femmeshark]

It seems more likely that the racism was accidental, given that Japan is still fairly isolated from the rest of the world. I think they tried to go with what they thought made the most sense, and genuinely didn't realise the connotations.

[@thatblueghost2296]

It’s not even about isolation. I’m gonna make a guess and say you’re American? Could you tell me anything about the Métis? I’m Canadian so this is taught to me, but probably not to Americans. We’re neighbours and very interconnected to the world, but we don’t always learn the history and meaning to everything globally.

[@femmeshark]

@@thatblueghost2296 close, yet offensive to the states, I'm from the U.K. Japan isn't isolated in terms of land mass, but culture. Tipping is frowned upon, for example.

[@thatblueghost2296]

@@femmeshark offensive? I also don’t know stuff about America. It’s not offensive, different regions just learn different things. Ok, you’re from the uk. Not France or Canada, so I doubt you know about Métis or much about them. My point is even interconnected counties don’t know everything. Even neighbours like America and Canada. I guessed the USA because it’s statistically the most likely, and I used an example from Canadian history as that’s what I know. And tipping is a little different from cultural sensitivity. I used an example of knowing history because that’s what relates to the mr game and watch model. Tipping is generally discouraged globally, the us is the outlier.

[@femmeshark]

@@thatblueghost2296 I said offensive as a joke, because historically, the Americans and the British haven't been too friendly to one another

[@thatblueghost2296]

@@femmeshark ohh I get it. We Canadians have a decent relationship so that went right over my head

[@xXpigiepicguy123Xx]

Holly molly bfdi mouth alert I SAY BFDI MOUTH ALERT

[@chrismaystar3014]

I stand by the opinion Mr Sandman should've been added to diversify Smash's roster. Like, I get why they choose Donkey Kong to represent him (DK is literally the secret final boss to Sandman's final boss), but Sandman represents Mike f***in Tyson! He's representing one of the most iconic moments in Nintendo history, he's a heavyweight, he'd be perfect to compliment Little Mac with heavier and relatively faster special moves that break things easier but slower neutrals. The reason why Mac doesn't get another rep is unfortunately the same reason Falcon will never get another...

[@funnynamehere8025]

In my opinion it's really dumb how people got mad over DK being used in the Mr Sandman spirit fight. Sure they could've used Mac but when you take a moment to look at it Mac and Sandman are essentially opposites, Mac is a lightweight and, well is little while Sandman is a heavyweight and is much taller. DK on the other hand, is also a heavyweight and is a larger frame than Mac

[@canned3880]

We shouldn't be adding characters just to diversify the roster, then you get things like the New Warriors. Also another fighter like mac would suck

[@chrismaystar3014]

@@canned3880 When I said "diversify," was your first and only thought "race"? I said diversify because that is an applicable word for wanting another type of boxer. I'm not here to defend (New) New Warriors and I hope no one ever is. Mac is a rushdown character because he is canonically a Swarmer-type Boxer. Sandman is a Slugger, a type traditionally better than Swarmers. Just because you don't want more "Punch Out!" reps. doesn't mean Mac shouldn't have anyone else to diversify his side of the roster. He's a significant stepping stone in Nintendo history that I'd like to see get fleshed out, imo.

[@canned3880]

@@chrismaystar3014 I never said it was about race, and idk why you would think I was saying that when the punch out rep we already has is pretty different from the smash demographic. What you are describing sounds like little mac but a heavy, and that would basically be unplayable in a smash setting, mac is already on the cusp of that. He would do much better in street fighter or something

[@chrismaystar3014]

@@canned3880 Then might I ask who you're referring to when you say New Warriors? Edit: Sakurai finds a way. He did it with Hero, he did it with the standard fighting game characters, he can do it to Sandman.

[@MrBeastboybrown]

11:45 Yes its a Political Cause People are very patient about. Thereby making it a Political Statement. They could and should do this for any Political Groups. Including but not limited too Left Wings "KKK, LGBT, BLM, Antifa, Communist Flag, Etc." As well as the Right Wings "Rebel Flags, Maga, Blue Lives, Proud Boys, Anarchist Flags, Etc." Both side of the same coin arent allowed. As they shouldnt be.

[@mnm1273]

The KKK is right wing, it supports Trump and shows up to support keeping up Confederate statues. Democrat weren't always left wing, in the same way as Theodore Roosevelt was a progressive (that supported left wing economic and social policies) despite being a Republican President. Anarchism isn't right wing either, some anarchists are right wing for sure but the majority are left wing.

[@MrBeastboybrown]

@@mnm1273 KKK was help founded by the Democrat party after Republicans did the 1 thing Democrats cant forgive to this day. They took your slaves away. Gave more people rights. The only thing youre correct on is the Right is Anti-Censorship thereby keeping the Rebel Flag around is so important. Hell the KKK had Democratic Members up until the 80s. With Larry Bird and Al Gores Father being strong remainders. The Switch is a lie, You can ask anyone "When did the switch happen?" and no one and I mean no one will give you a straight answer. Ive heard "In the 80s" Ive heard "After Lincoln" The switch is bullshit. The Republicans and Democrats didnt switch. However the terms "Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian, etc." they absolutely have changed threw the years. Theodore Roosevelt was right wing. Tho like many politicians before and after have some left wing views. Even Trump is Pro-Gay Marriage. Anarchy is as Pro-Right Wing as it gets. Tho there beliefs and actions can be horrible. Theyll side with Antifa in many cases. Because the most extreme Right Wing and The Most Extreme Left wing will always get along until they dont.

[@Tonjit41]

I will personally never let nintendo get away with their online "service." I had the free trial and saw enough.

[@buttdiqq]

Based pfp. Sum 41 for life!

[@kermitthedictator7120]

I get it for overwatch that's the only game that doesn't lag

[@NGScoob]

8:44 Min Min is Asian, not white.

[@ColonelHax]

I know, but some people think that Japanese And Chinese are white for some dumbass reason

[@newfacepaula]

I thought Min Min is some noodle looking chick

[@Sp3ctralI]

Probably because her skin looks Caucasian, when she’s actually Japanese.

[@ThunderBrine]

You can be both, y'know? Race and Color are not mutually exclusive.

[@Funewter]

@@newfacepaula this. XD

[@BeskarDevil]

There’s kind of a mix here between just unpopular choices (broken characters and choosing byleth), hilariously stupid accusations of bigotry (not choosing twintelle, spirit choices, etc), the emulator stuff, which I think is dumb but they’re within their rights to do it, and then of course actual the actual crimes committed by members of the community. Side note about sandman: that fight instills the fear of god in me every time I try it, and it’s because of DK. Little mac is a little dude, whereas donkey Kong is a hulking bruiser like sandman. It’s pretty obvious he was chosen because of the size of the fighter, since little mac’s whole thing is he’s a smol boi.

[@CrazyWeridoRH]

Probably that and almost every other PunchOut spirit besides Hippo and Tiger used Little Mac.

[@pigdude6323]

I don't get the whole Twintail race comments. Min Min is Chinese right? That's representation that I don't think we've seen before sooo

[@SonicTheCutehog]

People were making an excuses because they didn't want to admit they only wanted her for her ass.

[@maskedmarioguy2524]

@@SonicTheCutehog Facts.

[@kylewood4488-b9r]

They wanted Twintelle apparently and made up the excuse that their aren't any Characters of color or diversity. Some BS if you ask me.

[@levert2457]

As a black man I will defend donkey Kong for sandman they're both hand-in-hand brawlers some might argue Ganon or Captain falcon but no they just don't work for him plus Gannon uses a sword and warlock punches is it. However Nintendo messed up with DJ because he's a black man that break dance sure but they gave him a monkey think about that who other characters that can break dancing fighting style sheik and zero suit Samus so if zero suit Samus is busy being Chun-Li then the next best thing should have been sheik.

[@BonkTheClown]

Diddy Kong wasn't picked because of racism. It is because him and Dee Jay have similar fighting styles.

[@PoopieMcSkroochiehahaha]

@@BonkTheClown and diddy has the cool guy clothes like dj

[@levert2457]

@@BonkTheClown dude we have a breakdancing elf Ninja so that doesn't qualify?

[@ghastlydreamer]

@@levert2457 yes because dee jay isnt a ninja

[@espurrseyes42]

@@levert2457 Sheik? No. Diddy is the better fit. Deejay ain't a Ninja for one, and aside from the one breakdance move that I'm pretty sure Diddy also his, his wilder style matches up with Deejay's better. Diddy also seems like he's the only character that'd realistically pull of Deejay's fighting style. There's also music. Dude's name is literally DJ and he has used Maracas in combat before (SF4 Ultra 2) while Diddy uses a Guitar in 64 and whips out a boombox and starts trying to beatbox when he clears a level in the DKC games.

[@AshenDemon]

3:28 DON'T GO AFTER SAKURAI, Sakurai states once he only picked Piranha Plant and the other DLC characters were picked by Nintendo.

[@getoffmylawn6275]

Honestly I personally didn’t care about the whole “Trans Rights” situation. You have your right to make the stage and feel offended but Nintendo as a company does have their right to not want that stage. It’s a children’s party game and a celebration for games as a whole. Not real life controversy that are still a thing even now.

[@0DRONZER]

yeah

[@RayanfhoulaBR]

chad

[@snufkin8940]

I think it's more that they think trans people deserving to live is a political statement. It's not, people deserve to live. I'm not horrified about the stages being taken down I just think they could have worded their reasoning so much better

[@asuraofwrath]

@@snufkin8940 it is a political statemate whether we like it or not it calls lawmakers to make laws meaning its a political statemate they would have also removed it if it said vote for blank person and its in a kids game kids cant process complex issues like gender , race , religion etc

[@snufkin8940]

@@asuraofwrath Ah, they can't process religion, huh? Simon Belmont Richter Belmont Both follow Christanity Fire Emblem series has gods, Multiple characters have killed gods, etc. As for race, what's there to process? Some people look different. Not teaching them that is how you get racists.

[@Blundabus1337]

Mr. Sandman from Punchout being the spirit for Donkey Kong is not racist, not by a long shot. Sandman is the second to last boss in Title Defense in punchout. The last boss? Donkey Kong. That's clearly what they were going for. If you want to say "oh well sandman is brown dk is brown thats why they did it, see racist!" Ok, both are brown, both also are huge and punch hard. If Sandman for DK is racist then any white character representing a white character is racist. Also Mark Henry literally calls himself a Gorilla in his WWE entrance theme and nobody has a problem with it. Also, shocker, nintendo picked a character that fought with their ARMS to represent a game called ARMS instead of the one who used pigtails. Lastly, 'trans rights now' is a political movement. If you want to claim "oh well they're just asking for rights" then you can apply this to "right to have an abortion" or "right to bare arms" and if you want to claim "th-thats different" what about "white rights now"? Which would get hate for being some 'white supremacist' undertones, which if you want to be fair, then that means trans rights now is trans supremacist. Plus most people are against giving children body altering drugs, as they should be, so avoiding trans stuff is the smart decision.

[@NinjaPickle]

The spirits are just people reading into it. DK is Sandman because of Sandman's overhead strikes, much like many of DK's attacks. Deejay is a breakdancing kickboxer, he's all about stylish agile movements and kicks. Look at Diddy's Side B and Dash attacks. Tac is the least defendable, but it's probably just because of the black hair. Especially since his hairstyle looks a little like Tac's head covering. I don't think skin tone ever played a part in it, I think they chose that Villager alt just because it was the only one with Black hair and the hairstyle was similar to the mask Edit: Looking back at it, I guess I remembered Villager's hair color wrong for that alt, it's about the same as the other hair colors. So I really don't have any idea besides hair style for Tac being that villager color, and even then the other alt with that hairstyle fits just as well. That one I can see getting a little backlash because there's seemingly no reason. I don't think it's intentional, but that is a bad looking coincidence

[@Nay089]

It seems you never got the “monkey memo”. You’re just ignorant to understand the racial context those comparisons entail

[@NinjaPickle]

@@Nay089 Pal, I'm well aware of why people think it's racist, but I'm saying that people are looking at this at face value. Donkey Kong is very similar to Sandman in terms of fighting style. Diddy Kong uses some moves that Dee Jay uses. And Tac has a bag to store things just like Villager. People shouldn't just assume it's a race thing when there's reasons each spirit battle is the way it is, they're very well thought out

[@byronlyons3548]

As for the Tac thing, I think it was because that alt of Villager specifically, is probably because it's the only one with the most dark colored clothes that any one of them has. To kind of emulate the ninja/bandit clothes thing as close as possible to Tac. And Tac clearly isn't black under their clothes, as we see with their hands and part of their face showing. So skin color is an afterthought.

[@ashtmslf2315]

@@byronlyons3548 also the skin colour was changed from the smash 4 version of the alt, and in some early demos was still white, so chances are they made the spirit before the change

[@alexandresmgc374]

I think the use INCENOROAR Is much better for TAC. Both are cats

[@1Pidds]

"Chrom wasnt original enough to justify this, he was a clone character" >Showing Ganondorf footage

[@BryanMorris-yc8iq]

Zelda characters in Smash: Link Link Link Zelda Generic ninja Slow Captain Falcon

[@PlayrR3D156]

Actually, Byleth is probably one of the most diverse Fire Emblem characters moveset wise. When you sit down and look at their moves, they essentially boil down to sword, axe, lance, and bow attacks. All of which are weapons used in Fire Emblem, and the latter 3 haven't been implemented to a FE moveset yet. Even if they still use a sword in their moveset, it's actually a very unique sword, as it can extend for more range (like Ivy's sword from Soul Calibur) and a majority of the moves it's used for (up tilt, forward tilt and dash attack being exceptions) show off the sword/whip/grappling hook combo that really shows how unique of a fighter Byleth is. For those of you who don't believe me and still hate Byleth because they're still another Fire Emblem character, I used to have the same opinion, but I changed my mind when I realized she technically isn't just a sword fighter, but rather a well-rounded fighter.

[@Jellyman1129]

The Mr. Game and Watch feather scenario was blown out of proportion. I get the origin, but like, come on. It’s just a feather from a video game.

[@5ashll303]

With the whole fighter pass thing, it’s your fault if you buy it and don’t get what you want. Sakurai made sure to tell you to only buy it if you thought it was worth it to you. I get being sad about the last Character, but still.

[@monokuma7746]

but to be fair look at the actual selectection u get joker an amazing 3rd party character, hero who was also amazing banjo and kazooie another popular 3rd party character then the amazing terry another 3rd party character just for it to end up with a no body like bayleef from a already crowed franchise think we now hhave the foresight to say "just dont buy it" but people were expecting something big not another final fantasy rep

[@CookieDoesMoreThings]

"No black female characters in the roster..." Villager’s 8th Alt: allow me to introduce myself

[@SilverSpireZ]

I’ll always advocate for Byleth’s inclusion in Smash. I’ve defended them for nearly two years, and always will.

[@juanrodriguez9971]

Yeah but you can't deny me she deserved a bit of the hate, and no, don't blame corrin on this, she has no fault, byleth was added after Rex and Spring man we're rejected because "they too new" while the 6 months old character is added after hyping up the FP so much, if she happened to be part of a double reveal or was swapped with Steve take for sure more people would have been just disappointed rather than mad.

[@zipline3068]

Me too, Three Houses is one of my favourite games ever. Byleth is my main in smash, and people who hate the whole fire emblem thing in smash, hate a series they have no knowledge on. Byleth wasn't everyone's favourite pick, but not everyone's favourite is getting in. My number 1 didn't get in, Byleth is a great pick, and I dont care what anyone says

[@byronlyons3548]

@@juanrodriguez9971 Nah, it's still Corrin's fault, for it's why they have a disdain for the series to begin with. And that's not what they were getting at, but sure, let's mindlessly bandwagon like idiots I guess. And totally forget that an Arms character was added in anyways, the more popular and creator wanted one that is, and Rex couldn't due to limitations on the hardware. And no, they don't have much of a reason to be mad anyways, since all most people did was believed in dumb leaks, like Dante getting in. Which that character, I say keep saying until the end of time, is another Smash 4 Bayonetta 2.0, waiting to happen. On top of the hypocrisy that makes them look like asses anyways, with them liking Sephiroth and Sora. Need I say more?

[@About9000]

Awakening characters were added because awakening was the game that saved the fire emblem series (it was supposed to be the final one until it sold gangbusters) this was evident before smash 4 came out. but I can see where the confusion lies, the whole debacle is a mess of techicalities

[@lastprimaris7914]

Mr sandman for donkey Kong fits because they both hit REAL FUCKING HARD

[@larniieplayz6285]

10:12 how? They probably would end up having similar things people don’t like as well

[@corran4362]

All of them (expect for the G&W one) are the community's fault

[@burningpickle4950]

The emulator thing was uncool on Nintendos part.

[@sirbabybee6267]

In summary: Twitter plays video game and gets mad

[@Chubby_Bub]

This was a quite interesting video, and I didn’t know about some of this. However, I must the thumbnail is one of the worst clickbait thumbnails I've ever seen. In the rare chance that you see this Siiroth, I'd recommend changing it and give people a better impression of your videos, because they’re better than that.

[@SpkyGhtr]

People are blowing things way out of proportion in pretty much all these situations. Especially with the twintelle thing. Min Min won the character contest and the creator of ARMS specifically asked for her to be put in. Also who fucking cares about the “representation” in a goddamn children’s party game? Grow up

[@kkss7064]

twintelle wasn't even considered to be the final two by Sakarai it was between min min and ninjara and the creator of the game told Sakarai that he wanted nobody but min min in smash since min min was his own main in arms

[@victoriabell9546]

I thought the whole Donkey Kong Mr. Sandman spirit battle thing was because he was Mr. Sandman was the second to last boxer and one of the most difficult characters in Title Defense mode in Punch-Out!! Wii before Donkey Kong, which makes some sense like you said. The only other counter for the Min Min/Twintelle race issue was that Min Min is also a person of color with her race being Chinese.

[@NindyBK]

your handling of these subjects has seriously made me grow so much respect for you, I honestly came into this expecting a kinda stupid video to capitalize on drama but you talked about these and platformed these ideas in a very responsible way good job man this is awesome

[@Siiroth]

Really appreciate hearing that it means a lot, these subjects are a lot more difficult to cover than what I usually do lol

[@shadowdragonln539]

9:37 I remember hearing about a tournament with all of the arms fighter. Where the best player of each fighter played. And min min won it. And the rewards was something for the player and the fighter was going to get something. And i think that something was them joining SSBU

[@goldenyoshistar1]

12:45 I hate to be a bit malicious but when I heard all of those allegations I was like, Smash fans taking Smash Bros in the literal concept. I hate what happened and I disapprove of what those creeps did, but I liked how Smash Bros was getting this backlash because of it. (my personal hatred for smash in a sense). Still, I hate those people for doing this kind of crap, and I will agree with the masses that those people are total scum (whether it was truth or not)

[@SoujiaSoldierKitty]

That's...kind of pathetic, if you think about it. Getting off on creeps attempts to slander someone's work you hate.

[@thespirit3760]

Okay I just want to say that the Trans Rights is an act. An act is a politic statement. Therefore, Nintendo could take it down if they really wanted too

[@bonkeykong858]

When you insult your own viewers while trying to get them to buy something

[@averypatrick5279]

As for black women fighters, I'm still a bit bummed that Marina wasn't included as an Inkling alt.

[@thiscommenter180]

Nice video. That was explained very well and I understood everything. Thanks

[@davidhill8565]

Fire Emblem was niche prior to Awakening. Were it not for the success of Awakening, and how it reinvigorated Fire Emblem, the franchise wouldn’t have as many reps in Smash Ultimate. Fire Emblem Heroes has in the past been Nintendo’s most successful mobile game. In terms sales rate, it seems like Fire Emblem is on track of joining the ranks of Super Mario, Legend of Zelda, and Pokémon; so is Animal Crossing.

[@maskedmarioguy2524]

AC is more undeserving of glamour than FE is. The amount of people that play it is absolutely insane, Including every random dad and mom on the planet. And women. ESPECIALLY WOMEN. Doesn't matter how much of a non-gamer a female is, in this day and age, if she's a woman, she plays Animal Crossing. It's the stupidest shit ever.

[@davidhill8565]

@@maskedmarioguy2524 Moveset has been an issue for Animal Crossing. Besides, Animal Crossing is a social game, and it has specific rules, such as the rules of the ESRB rating E for Everyone. My sister-in-law plays it. Fire Emblem Three Houses is the best selling installment of the Fire Emblem series.

[@ashtmslf2315]

@@maskedmarioguy2524 hey quick question, when was the last time a women outside of your immediate family chose to talk to you?

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Off topic but I hope Advance Wars Reboot Camp does well enough and having it’s Awakening Moment.

[@brandonwilliams6119]

@@maskedmarioguy2524 Yeah I totally agree when I think of Nintendo, I think Mario, Zelda Pokémon, Donkey Kong and even Kirby. Fire Emblem never crosses my mind, people only really bring it up because of Smash, and even though it's a nintendo game, it's nowhere near as big as the series I’ve listed. Heck even Kirby, Splatoon, Animal Crossing and DK come to mind.

[@Yoshixandir]

Well nintendo didn't lie about the ballot. They said based on who was also negotiable. Sora may have 1 but during smash 4 disney most likely said no. So they went with bayonetta who was probably a lot easier to put in the game

[@AiGeneratedWaluigi]

bayo was chosen before the ballot. and krool was definatally more wanted

[@deathknight6745]

19:28 I took that personally. Are we ignoring the fact that Corrin and Chrom are in this game? Aside from that, any bullshit Nintendo did in this community, July 2020 onward is justified. It’s gonna take years to recover from that.

[@Yoshixandir]

The people who keeps putting race into these situstion are the true racist. The spirit controversy is stupid especially since the characters that are used are represented based closely on the smash fighter that has a similar moveset. And twintelle controversy is especially stupid since nintendo can pick whoever they want and not to mention when min min first came people people immediately said she was a white girl when she is Chinese

[@joelcomer]

It’s so dumb, Morgan freeman said racism isn’t the absence of race, it’s acknowledging that we are different.

[@kylespevak6781]

6:30 Eventually we won't be able to have villains because it "portrays people in a negative light". Gotta stop grouping everyone together. Putin isn't all Russians, is he?

[@teostra3642]

Well, to be fair that tournament was sponsor and parnered by Nintendo; other slippi tournaments were not affected, like Smash Summit X. So, for me it was pretty blown out of proportion.

[@byronlyons3548]

Yep, and the salty fans are still going to blow it out of proportion. Like Hugs or whatever that dumb Smash comentator/player is going by. Getting even upset at his follow community members, just because one of them joined the official Nintendo tournament to commentate on, during the middle of last month.

[@JokerFromPersona5Royal]

There is literally no thing that couldn’t make Twitter go bongos

[@Liggliluff]

(11:35) "I think people should be free to be who they are" Such a horrible political statement! :O

[@Spitinmyfacemylove]

10:07 Didn’t Min Min also win the popularity contest that the players voted for?

[@raggens]

Even if the whole racial injustice fiasco last year in late May never happened, it was clear that Twintelle was not gonna be the ARMS representative for plenty of reasons. Nintendo confirmed that all the fighters were chosen BEFORE any of this occurred, and they weren’t exactly gonna do a character change last minute because some SJWs were bitching about the lack of representation in Smash (since Min Min was already finishing development at the time). Don’t get me wrong: I’m aware that black women aren’t as well-represented in the game, and many of the dark-skinned characters we’ve got for the other fighters are merely alts. But in the end, the decision to add Min Min over the other ARMS reps, including Twintelle, was entirely Nintendo’s. People have gotta learn that not everything in their favorite game has to appeal and cater to their politics, especially U.S. politics. Hell: there are those so butthurt that they’re setting up petitions to change Sora’s skin color into a darker tone - as if they aren’t desperate enough.

[@MangaBear]

Ok jeez that part about Sora was pathetic

[@raggens]

@@MangaBear indeed. They’re complaining about the lack of diversity, so they take characters other people put hard work into and plagiarize them by swapping their race

[@Crazycolors1248]

I guess I’m the only living human being left that is happy that Min Min was added.

[@wakkaseta8351]

Smash Bros does have this weird tendency to act as an advertising platform for Fire Emblem. Roy was put in Melee to promote Binding Blade before that even came out, Ike was put in Brawl to promote Radiant Dawn, the newest release at the time, Corrin was added to Sm4sh to promote Fates before that even came out, and Byleth was added to Ultimate to promote Three Houses, which was still a relatively recent release at the time. No other series really gets that sort of treatment from Smash Bros.

[@Dan_-]

They always make sure to include the latest Pokémon game too. Greninja and Incineroar were both chosen for Smash ahead of time when their games were still in the works. And it's not just to advertise the new game. It's also to cash in on the new games' current popularity and relevance. These are the games people are playing right now, and the characters they'll be excited to see in Smash. It's for both reasons together.

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Reminder: Roy is the ULTIMATE shill pick. He was added into smash before his game even came out. The dude would literally become an original smash character if his game got canceled, some people believe that being in melee gives him the right to be grandfathered as a permanent member forever. I could see Ike getting chosen to stay before Roy. At least Ike’s games were localized despite not doing well.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@Dan_- Japans really Loves RPG's so much.

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

I dunno about Ike, since he has his Path of Radiance design in Brawl, and didn't appear in his Radiant Dawn design until Sm4sh.

[@wakkaseta8351]

@Maydeler He wasn't. He was put in because he was originally planned for Smash 64 like Bowser and Peach were and was going to be Japanese version exclusive until the last minute.

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Okay, the Mr Sandman one is justifiable. Sandman and Donkey Kong both hit like trucks, and, as you said, Donkey Kong was a secret boss at the end of Punch-Out Wii. Putting on the level of the Game and Watch thing is a bit much, that was straight up racist, and it had to be changed, really. I personally wanted the ARMS representative to be like Hero, with Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, Min Min and either Twintelle or Ninjara being the four costumes. What's odd is that, in the UK's wing of social media at least, the complaints weren't about Byleth, but about Steve. For MONTHS people were outraged that "The stupid square man from the kid's game" got in.

[@HoseB932]

Maybe the G&W situation is justified, still tho, just because it's an older version... why are people really angry about that? It speaks volumes when people of that race say it isn't offending them. It's just a case of not so bright people being louder. I thought a few things were subtly racist. Like the mexican trainer in Pokemon advance that trained a ludicolo with drums. G&W is a "Maybe" Every other controversy is... just blown way out. Like, ngl, who'd be a better fit for the sandman spot? DK was a final boss. (although rn I think a Giant Little mac could've been used if they REALLY didn't wanna use DK.) and for Dee Jay... yeah I don't know who fits him so maybe Diddy was a random pick. Love the video as it was a little trip down memory lane for me. Thank you :D Edit: Actually… nahhh, G&W could’ve stayed with the feather piece imo. If representation is the big must these days I see that look for G&W to be okay.

[@darthvader473]

You're channel is awesome! I hope you get to 100k subscribers! 😄

[@Siiroth]

Thanks it means a lot 😀

[@darthvader473]

@@Siiroth I Know it does, so make us proud, ok? 😉