10 Unbelievable Retcons That Changed Comics For The Better

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@rebbyra
@rebbyra 6 жыл бұрын
Batman retiring and becoming the mayor of Quahog?
@DrPlant-fg9yn
@DrPlant-fg9yn 4 жыл бұрын
rebbyra not before he tried changing his ip and went from bat to cat
@sonsonthegoddessofconfusio3183
@sonsonthegoddessofconfusio3183 4 жыл бұрын
@@DrPlant-fg9yn bat-cat-god-mayor
@kravenbludd
@kravenbludd 6 жыл бұрын
"Only Bucky stays dead." Used to be comics rule #1.
@schfooge
@schfooge 4 жыл бұрын
Alternately, "Only Bucky, Barry Allen, and Jason Todd stay dead".
@demoninblack6011
@demoninblack6011 4 жыл бұрын
schfooge and Gwen stacy
@notksiolijadebt6558
@notksiolijadebt6558 4 жыл бұрын
@@demoninblack6011 Tony stark too
@demoninblack6011
@demoninblack6011 4 жыл бұрын
RaZe Aльфа 2 yee
@WalkerRileyMC
@WalkerRileyMC 3 жыл бұрын
"No one likes Bucky." "Agreed." "Everyone hates him." "Yep." "Let's make him a Russian Super-assassin." "Everyone likes Bucky." "Agreed."
@justinsalsameda7714
@justinsalsameda7714 4 жыл бұрын
Dr. Manhattan fixing the dc timeline after rebirth is one to remember, even if it’s not canon just yet
@iamnotawfulanymore3873
@iamnotawfulanymore3873 3 жыл бұрын
Doomsday clock sucks
@maxteraform
@maxteraform 3 жыл бұрын
@@iamnotawfulanymore3873 Nah, it was awesomd
@ericmiller93
@ericmiller93 2 жыл бұрын
@@iamnotawfulanymore3873 I agree. I really wanted to like it. It’s just bad though.
@Thescott16
@Thescott16 5 жыл бұрын
That Flash comic is more than "essential", it's a cornerstone of _everything_ we know and ascociate with comics today. DC, Marvel, Dark Horse... All of them and more use multiverse theory to explain all sorts of things, from continuity errors to the modernization of characters and themes to experimental storylines.
@TevyaSmolka
@TevyaSmolka 6 жыл бұрын
I agree the dc multiverse was a great retcon for comics as a whole
@eladiocofresi5202
@eladiocofresi5202 6 жыл бұрын
Worst. Reply. Ever. One of the retcons in my mind that improved the character was the revised origin Geoff Johns gave to Superboy in Teen Titans. Previously, he was the clone of Paul Westfield from Cadmus with the aura of Superman cloned, giving him similar powers via tactile telekinesis. It was changed to where Superboy was in fact a partial clone of Superman with human DNA. The twist of Lex Luthor being the human side led to story arcs where Superboy struggled with his identity and who he wanted to be.
@The1RealDarek
@The1RealDarek 4 жыл бұрын
"We like to fact check our comments" SINCE WHEN!
@mobius_speedster5245
@mobius_speedster5245 4 жыл бұрын
TheRealDarek lol, they don’t even comment themselves
@bosco685
@bosco685 6 жыл бұрын
'The Anatomy Lesson' is still one of the greatest character revamps. Loved when this came out. Still do.
@slifer875
@slifer875 6 жыл бұрын
For me is the doctor doom retcon by john byrne, originally doom was just a classic cartoon villain twisting his mustache, but jorn byrne made him the tragic hero of his land that wants to conquer the world to save humanity and make everyone happy.
@Bluesit32
@Bluesit32 6 жыл бұрын
Ehhh...I don't know about making everyone happy. He seeks to guide humanity, yes. He feels he is the only one who can. But he is still EXTREMELY petty, especially when it comes to Reed Richards.
@slifer875
@slifer875 6 жыл бұрын
@@Bluesit32 he believes he is the only one who can do it and will do it by force, he has done plenty of bad things but also many good things, he is both the best and the worst of humanity at the same time. Also reed richards stole his work by putting his name on it and the small detail of being an unlikeable douchebag (i don't know how marvel expects us to like him) doesn't help at all............
@Bluesit32
@Bluesit32 6 жыл бұрын
@@slifer875 SOME bad things? He does TONS of bad things for what he precieves to be the greater good in mind. Let's not forget, he had the woman he claimed to love mysticslly skinned alive, then wore her leathered flesh as armor. How many Earths did he help the Maquis of Death destroy before finally killing him? How many Asgardians dif he tortured and experimented on when Loki convinced Baldur to move Asgard to Latvaria? Then he has the gall to just toss a corpse at their feet like it was a filthy doll and demand they leave. Oh, Thor was going to "have words" with him. I love that phrase. "Doom. I would have words with thee." Those "words" always end up causing massive property damage.
@slifer875
@slifer875 6 жыл бұрын
@@Bluesit32 read son, my comment says PLENTY not some, "he had the woman he claimed to love mysticslly skinned alive, then wore her leathered flesh as armor. " that story is non canon as writters and fans are concern, it was so out of character for doom to do that no one ever followed or mentions it again, " How many Asgardians dif he tortured and experimented on when Loki convinced Baldur to move Asgard to Latvaria?" didn't felt bad for them, most if not all gods in marvel are assholes towards humanity, youtube is fucking it up again, i can't see your whole comment, doom is chaotic neutral but marvel making their heroes assholes towards each other and humanity makes doom look like saint.
@wrydrune
@wrydrune 6 жыл бұрын
Wasn't there some time traveler that looked at all possible futures and the only one where humanity survives is the one doom rules over?
@blobfish_plays6548
@blobfish_plays6548 6 жыл бұрын
"Boba Fett tells Darth that..." Seriously, refer to him as Vader, not Darth
@jonathankydd1816
@jonathankydd1816 6 жыл бұрын
it's like saying, the wizard merlin warned king of the danger
@johnhooyer3101
@johnhooyer3101 6 жыл бұрын
Well, that example of the king doesn't quite hold. "Darth" is a title, but his actual description is "Sith." The words aren't the same, so you say "The Sith Lord Darth Vader," whereas for with the Merlin example you'd say "The King of Camelot King Arthur." In the films, there's some precedent for calling a Sith by his title only. Obi-Wan calls him Darth. However, this was employed in what linguists would call an evocative clause, where he's addressing Vader directly. When referring to Vader in third person, I'm not sure if it's entirely appropriate to call him Darth, although it's just fiction and there is a cultural linguistic consensus that it's acceptable to refer to Darth Vader (and Vader specifically among the Sith) as "Darth." Whether or not it's grammatically correct, it endures anyway as a culturally accepted nickname.
@connorbeatt5
@connorbeatt5 6 жыл бұрын
Do you realise he’s not a real person??
@DaPopeANata
@DaPopeANata 6 жыл бұрын
I always thought Obi-Wan called him Darth in A New Hope because at the time it wasn't considered a title, and Lucas came up with that later. It wasn't until the prequels when we heard other people referred to as Darth.
@collectorduck9061
@collectorduck9061 5 жыл бұрын
@@DaPopeANata Correct. I like it best that way. The line is "Only a master of evil, Darth". And Obi-Wan using his first name at that point is great, since it confirms his familiarity with Vader who he until that point had referred to him as Vader.
@JestaKilla
@JestaKilla 6 жыл бұрын
Your facts are pretty badly off in this video. Marvel has re-retconned Magneto's parentage of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch away; that parentage was established in the 80s, not the 70s; and Stick as young Matt Murdock's trainer was introduced in Miller's run on the original Daredevil title, not in Man Without Fear. And that's just what I caught off a first listen, without checking anything.
@leothiene
@leothiene 5 жыл бұрын
Can i ask Who are now the parents of quicksilver and Scarlett witch?
@darknessovercomesus
@darknessovercomesus 5 жыл бұрын
@@leothiene in the ultimates, it was said that wolverine had an affair with Magda that resulted in her getting pregnant with twins which were Scarlet witch and Quicksilver dot-dot. That's just the ultimates though.
@scarletnight4554
@scarletnight4554 5 жыл бұрын
@@leothiene gypsies
@jaimec1596
@jaimec1596 5 жыл бұрын
I just came to the comments to see how many posts before someone was up in arms because Wanda and Pietro are no longer his kids in the comics. You were number 5. Maybe it stays that way but the only reason it happened was because of the Fox/Disney feud. Regardless the point that it was a good retcon is sound. The fact that another retcon took place afterwards doesn't erase the original. Also... lighten the hell up.
@desihindustanigamer3299
@desihindustanigamer3299 4 жыл бұрын
@@darknessovercomesus his kid was their half brother James hawlett jr
@funzjag
@funzjag 6 жыл бұрын
I loved the “Paralax” story the first time...when it was called “The Dark Phoenix Saga!”
@scinnyc
@scinnyc 6 жыл бұрын
They ruined Hal Jordan with that ridiculous retcon. When he flipped out and went crazy and killed the other Green Lanterns and The Guardians out of grief and regret for not being there to save his hometown it was the most human story i had ever read. But when they changed it a decade later claiming Hal was possessed it cheapened the story and took away the realism of his much understood psychosis.
@funzjag
@funzjag 6 жыл бұрын
King Ramesez I agree with you! The replacement GLs Jon and Kyle were accepted by fans or so I thought. There was no logical reason to bring back Hal the mass murderer. How about “Misunderstood History Comics “ by DC . Ted Bundy, possessed by Paralax the first time is granted a second chance......he dons the mask and cape and becomes ......The New Batman! Benito Mussolini wasn’t the shouty dictator that you thought he was.........it was Paralax! He’s out of the noose and on the street, evildoers beware it’s......The New IL DUCE !!!
@daegan_ftw
@daegan_ftw 6 жыл бұрын
@@funzjag Hal's Emerald Attack Team which was eventually renamed Hal's Emerald Action Team or HEAT, was a group of Hal Jordan fans so outraged by the Parallax storyline before the retcon that they marched in the streets outside DC's office.
@funzjag
@funzjag 6 жыл бұрын
Daegan Noel Thanks for reminding me about that group, too funny! The whole Paralax fiasco is one of the reasons that I no longer read comic books. Just to be clear, I’m not laughing at HEAT.......I’m laughing with HEAT. I don’t know if you know this already but Harvey Weinstein is actually a timid, shy person. He didn’t transform into a pig with octopus arms until........you guessed it.......Paralax!!!!!!!
@RagnarokMic
@RagnarokMic 6 жыл бұрын
I understand the feeling, I was in the same boat for Flash: Rebirth. Barry Allen died the most perfect super hero death in comic book history, and amazingly, it had stuck. Wally West spent 20 year surpassing Barry Allen in every way, with the Flash mythos having a REAL sense of progression. Then Barry came back, Wally was shuffled off, New 52 happened, Wally was forgotten, replaced, and then finally returned just to be killed right back off. In death, Barry was one of the most important heroes, a legacy all others strived to live up to. Back, he was just another hero, especially once they wiped everything special about his history away.
@TheLurkingWriter
@TheLurkingWriter 6 жыл бұрын
Technically linked to your #1, my favourite 'retcon/reboot' storyline is probably the 1986 Man Of Steel comic by John Byrne. It refined the character of Clark Kent / Superman in a way that makes you wonder why it wasn't like that all along. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_of_Steel_(comics) (Saying that, the bit about Alfred is also high on my list - Alfred being as much Bruce Wayne's father as Thomas was, if not more so, seems integral to the entire mythos and it's way too difficult to imagine it any other way).
@scinnyc
@scinnyc 6 жыл бұрын
Yes. That Man of Steel miniseries and the first 22 issues of the post-Crisis Superman comic by John Burne are some of the most classic comics in existence👍
@WhosAlx
@WhosAlx 5 жыл бұрын
I liked how they switched Bucky from being a plucky sidekick for younger readers to a black ops assassin who did the dirty work so Cap didn’t sully his image.
@NemesisSP
@NemesisSP 4 жыл бұрын
Darth Vader always knew about Luke in Empire, in fact he went after him of his own volition and referred to him by name in all versions of the film. The only reason people seem to think he isn't aware of Luke being his son is because a re-edited conversation with him and Palpatine makes it seems as if he didn't, but he did indeed do so.
@kcvic
@kcvic 6 жыл бұрын
Magneto needs to go Maury and learn the truth.
@jesusmunera2855
@jesusmunera2855 6 жыл бұрын
kcvic the test come back and Xavier is the father!
@morphobots
@morphobots 6 жыл бұрын
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@a0040pc
@a0040pc 6 жыл бұрын
Well Marvel a few years ago said that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are not Magneto's children because of the whole Fox film rights business. Now that they own them as well I wonder how they will retcon them back to being his kids.
@dcmarvelcomicfans9458
@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 6 жыл бұрын
I think It might be permanent I hope they do switch it back
@__________1175
@__________1175 6 жыл бұрын
I mean, they could just say the family they knew (that were killed by that conflict in Sokovia or whatever) were their adopted family and their biological father is Magneto. They could even say that the twins were specifically selected for the experiment with the Tesseract by HYDRA because they had very specific and dormant x genes or something. Could explain why the twins were selected and why their powers are different.
@dcmarvelcomicfans9458
@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 6 жыл бұрын
@@__________1175 that could work
@Bluesit32
@Bluesit32 6 жыл бұрын
@@__________1175 Except that wouldn't explain why Wanda's spell designed to cause suffering to those of her blood caused Quicksilver to collapse in agony, but Magneto was unharmed. Then it was revealed that they aren't even mutants. Which brings into question why Sentinels always claimed otherwise, but it does explain why Quicksilver was able to just will his powers back after M Day. It was a psychosomatic block, much like what Iceman suffered.
@__________1175
@__________1175 6 жыл бұрын
@@Bluesit32 What're you talking about? I was talking about how they could retcon MCU canon to make Magneto Scarlet Witch's father, I wasn't referring to comics.
@andrescansecoorozco2788
@andrescansecoorozco2788 5 жыл бұрын
Originally Wolverine claws were part of his gloves. But later was retconed that the claws were part of his body but when Wolverine skeleton was fused with adamantium, his claws were inserted as part of weapon X program, in less words, before weapon X, he doesn’t had claws. But it was later retconed again that Wolverine had claws before Weapon X program, but this clawns were bone claws until the Weapon X program, that all his skeleton were fused with adamantium.
@eventhorizon
@eventhorizon 5 жыл бұрын
Yup- and honestly I think they changed it for the better as well- lol. I'm fairly picky about Wolverine storylines I accept as my personal head canon- including this. I refuse to acknowledge they were ever just part of the gloves lol.
@jackgoff5174
@jackgoff5174 5 жыл бұрын
Clawns
@someguy1290
@someguy1290 5 жыл бұрын
clawns squeleton
@schlenderman1589
@schlenderman1589 5 жыл бұрын
How does one misspell 'claws' that many times back to back?
@dn2ze
@dn2ze 5 жыл бұрын
andres canseco orozco Patch is coming for Logan... hahahahaha
@Azronnn
@Azronnn 6 жыл бұрын
Ok how many times will y'all make the same video with same content with just a diff name?
@daltonriser1125
@daltonriser1125 6 жыл бұрын
long as we keep watching them
@foxdie10000
@foxdie10000 6 жыл бұрын
Sagini Chan u
@alexwoods1043
@alexwoods1043 6 жыл бұрын
Everytime
@grownumber45
@grownumber45 6 жыл бұрын
As long as they keep making money
@Maakeys
@Maakeys 6 жыл бұрын
Sagini Chan if you’re gonna complain about the same thing then go to watchmojo
@matthewmartin1852
@matthewmartin1852 6 жыл бұрын
While I'm glad they did the ORIGINAL retcon to make Logan have retractable claws, I honestly don't like the whole "bone claw" thing. Just seems out of place with his mutation. Regeneration? cool! animal like senses? Makes sense. Can make very specific bone claws? Eeeehhhhh..... I honestly prefer the idea of them being added with his adamantium to improve his fighting ability. That makes more sense thematically. This program understanding his regeneration factor and taking advantage of the fact that he can have weapons inside of him and "unblade" these "knives" whenever he wanted BECAUSE of his existing ability. Plus it would have made Magneto removing his adamantium much more impactful.
@johnhooyer3101
@johnhooyer3101 6 жыл бұрын
Psychologically, he seemed to me to be someone who had thought of himself as a weapon and natural killer from his early developmental stages. So when he loses his memory and doesn't remember the trauma of the Weapon X program, he still reverts back to his default rough-around-the-edges personality. I like the idea that he has always hated who he was and was anti-social and feral, and then after he lost his memory the one major thing that changed about his personality was that he was trying to figure out who he was, and he began discovering quite quickly what his baseline it. He himself might have believed that the claws weren't a natural part of him, though, and just implants, so he wouldn't know exactly _why_ he had such a proclivity to hate himself.
@superpaytonmars8852
@superpaytonmars8852 4 жыл бұрын
While I do respect your opinion, I personally like the bone claws. I think it's a little cooler than just weapon x giving him prosthetic razors in his arms. Plus it makes a lot more sense physiologically. Because when you think about it, how would the clause actually fit in his arms if they were artificial? My theory is that his arm bones are naturally shaped in such a way that they have pockets in which the claws can rest when not in use.
@pingaspearce9403
@pingaspearce9403 4 жыл бұрын
Bone claws made so.much more sense. It gave wolverine claws much like his brother saber tooth All weapon x did was enhance his claws The claws is what makes wolverine. To having then be natural feel is a good thing
@cheddarcheese7928
@cheddarcheese7928 5 жыл бұрын
Those issues where Green Lantern loses it and goes off the rails was one of the most amazing realistic fall of a hero I have ever read..I understand that everything has to reset eventually..But man was that powerful back in the day..
@jatarokemuri5443
@jatarokemuri5443 3 жыл бұрын
Shame that they just made it a yellow fear monster who did it. Why couldn’t they just make a gritty version of Hal with flaws that works alone. It could’ve led to many interesting stories with the other lanterns and justice league members like Batman, or Amanda, or orange lantern. It could’ve made green lanterns Hal Jordan an interesting anti hero.
@drankydrank1
@drankydrank1 6 жыл бұрын
Can I just say how refreshing it was to watch a KZbin video just... end...? No - "Subscribe here, ding this, watch these, check out that...". I never noticed how tired that gets. Great video btw.
@ssjdeadpool
@ssjdeadpool 6 жыл бұрын
Me: *takes a bite of taco* Also me: *hears that Alfreds dad's name is Jarvis* Still me: *chokes*
@jamesgatz4490
@jamesgatz4490 6 жыл бұрын
@@keeganshigh you're high keegan
@hlb117
@hlb117 6 жыл бұрын
Marvel has a nice, long history of taking from DC :D
@alfa01spotivo
@alfa01spotivo 5 жыл бұрын
@@hlb117 not really
@tommyjennings500
@tommyjennings500 5 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure quicksilver and Scarlett Witch turned out to not be Magneto’s kids recently
@sabinatsang
@sabinatsang 5 жыл бұрын
in the marvel universe, not the x-men one (though wanda doesn't exist in that one, unless the younger sister is wanda)
@MetaSynForYourSoul
@MetaSynForYourSoul 6 жыл бұрын
3:40 Wait, wait, wait... Marvel had a speedster called "The Whizzer"?! You can't just glance over that. If his costume is yellow, Marvel is just trolling us... Edit:I was just kidding, but it's actually yellow!😂🤣
@__________1175
@__________1175 6 жыл бұрын
Dude, he appeared in Jessica Jones season 2. This is old news.
@MetaSynForYourSoul
@MetaSynForYourSoul 6 жыл бұрын
@@__________1175 haven't watched any of it obviously
@funzjag
@funzjag 6 жыл бұрын
MetaSynForYourSoul I’m pretty sure that Wizzer was in action before the slang term for urinating was widespread. Where are you from? I always thought that “taking a whiz” was a Pittsburgh area term. I’m from that area.
@Bluesit32
@Bluesit32 6 жыл бұрын
They had TWO characters named "The Whizzer". The other was part of the original Sinister Squadron (the mock Justice League). He changed his name to Speed Demon and was last seen in the Superior Foes of Spider-Man.
@MetaSynForYourSoul
@MetaSynForYourSoul 6 жыл бұрын
@@funzjag I'm actually from a lil further south in NC. Perhaps you're right. But his costume is still yellow.
@travissmith2848
@travissmith2848 4 жыл бұрын
3:39 "The wizzer" Can we take a moment to appreciate an alternate power set that such a name can imply?
@waverlymullins2614
@waverlymullins2614 6 жыл бұрын
I almost cried when I read that darth Vader comic. It’s like darth realizes he’s messed up, he chose to continue falling into the dark side because he thought he had nothing left, it turns out he had a son.
@sodondanala2334
@sodondanala2334 5 жыл бұрын
And a daughter as well dont forget Princess Leia !
@Optimusj1975
@Optimusj1975 5 жыл бұрын
Well, I remember John Byrne showing that Wanda was exactly like Magda in a New X-Men comic, way before Django traps the twins in his dolls, and they find about Bova. They were in the Brotherhood still at that time.
@djhutchison
@djhutchison 5 жыл бұрын
#6: You seem to have misstated something here. Wolverine's claws being housed in his forearms does not make them part of his mutation. Originally, they were placed there by the people that bonded adamantium to his skeleton. It wasn't until Magneto ripped the adamantium from Wolverine's skeleton that the retcon kicked in and we learned different, though Barry Windsor-Smith's 'Weapon X' planted the seeds. You should have sited examples from these and Origins for this entry.
@lexxstrum
@lexxstrum 4 жыл бұрын
If you get the Weapons and Equipment edition of the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe, you see the "synthetic muscle that was used to push his adamantium in and out of their forearm sheaths. Oh, and you'd see in the same Handbook that his skeleton isn't made of, or coated in, Adamantium; it is merely "laced" with it. There are chunks of adamantium throughout his skeleton, but it is not one big piece.
@moviefreakdavid666
@moviefreakdavid666 6 жыл бұрын
Jason Todd becoming Red Hood? Anybody?
@rubee666
@rubee666 6 жыл бұрын
Red hood>Batman
@schizojimbo
@schizojimbo 6 жыл бұрын
@@rubee666 no
@chipkolat4055
@chipkolat4055 6 жыл бұрын
or mr freeze his back story is recon big time
@moviefreakdavid666
@moviefreakdavid666 6 жыл бұрын
@@chipkolat4055 well hard to say if that counts for this list since he was actually recon outside of the comics first in the Batman animated series
@jakemeyers6513
@jakemeyers6513 6 жыл бұрын
Not a retcon.
@JeremyWS
@JeremyWS 6 жыл бұрын
Retcons aren't always bad.
@jatarokemuri5443
@jatarokemuri5443 3 жыл бұрын
Really depends on how controversial they are.
@YasaByYasa
@YasaByYasa 2 жыл бұрын
I actually have a question about Wolverine’s claws. How does he bend his wrists when they are retracted?
@andremation
@andremation 5 жыл бұрын
Ah yes the Galaxy’s greatest enemy, SAND
@darthjoshua6663
@darthjoshua6663 6 жыл бұрын
The Star Wars comic retcon was definitely a good idea. There were some good stuff and stories, but some of it was beyond ridiculous and straight insane.
@angelcanez4426
@angelcanez4426 6 жыл бұрын
I love Bucky as Captain America dude rocks his guns and the shield it was nice LoL
@ericbarna2903
@ericbarna2903 6 жыл бұрын
Guy looks like Steve Rogers before the serum.
@The_Nerd_King
@The_Nerd_King 6 жыл бұрын
2:34 *THE RING!* *MY PRECIOUS!!!*
@lukepotvin6785
@lukepotvin6785 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for pointing out those claws in the thumbnail, I wouldn’t have noticed them otherwise
@MinscFromBaldursGate92
@MinscFromBaldursGate92 5 жыл бұрын
You forgot the Thanosi clones from Infinity Abyss.
@MineNOROfficial
@MineNOROfficial 6 жыл бұрын
Nice video! A lot of well-known stuff on this list, but a few I didn't know about. I had no idea that Magneto being Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver's father was a retcon!
@scarletnight4554
@scarletnight4554 6 жыл бұрын
And a few years ago, in the axis storyline they retconned that so magneto isn't their father
@Bluesit32
@Bluesit32 6 жыл бұрын
@@scarletnight4554 Hell, they aren't even mutants.
@mdpeterson27
@mdpeterson27 4 жыл бұрын
CraZy!!!! Two of the best recons have Bucky in it!!
@Dragondan1987
@Dragondan1987 6 жыл бұрын
The star wars one isn't really a huge retcon. In Legends, Vader finds out the pilot's name who blew up the deathstar from a rebel pilot gets interrogated in the weeks after its destruction. He then becaomes obsessed with catching Luke alive. Basically the only thing that changed was boba fett was there.
@johnhooyer3101
@johnhooyer3101 6 жыл бұрын
The Darth Vader one is basically what it looked like in the movies. It hardly seems like a retcon of anything. He sensed something special about the X-Wing pilot's connection to the Force, escaped, and then clearly became obsessed with him. His little chat with hologram Palpatine basically shows that they knew the name already, and that there was a serious question of his lineage that they wanted to investigate...yeah, he basically knew, but basically needed absolute forensic confirmation before he could justify proposing to Luke that they could overthrow the Emperor and rule as father and son.
@DanM16
@DanM16 4 жыл бұрын
Also, gotta say with Cap. When he started doin the whole being a hero for the sake of what America meant to him as a human being vs. just being a govt workhorse.. Cap became a factor for me... He transcended race and political standards of the times.. He wasn't blue ed he was just a dude with way above avg agility and strength, who was a soldier of everyone... Bruh..
@joesycamore2899
@joesycamore2899 6 жыл бұрын
We've always known about Magneto's children. Also, they were introduced in X Men 1
@spinyjustspiny3289
@spinyjustspiny3289 5 жыл бұрын
Another thing about Wolverine's claws is that they were originally assumed to be cybernetic implants after he started using them without the gloves. Then it turned out one of his mutant powers was having claws made of bone, and the adamantium coating was treated to turn them into blades.
@Erykthebat
@Erykthebat 6 жыл бұрын
Dare Devil was blinded by the TMNT ooze
@joelvaldez8688
@joelvaldez8688 4 жыл бұрын
Frank Miller's Daredevil is so ridiculously good. Born Again is the greatest Marvel comic I've ever read.
@cirrustate8674
@cirrustate8674 4 жыл бұрын
I had always heard that the "mutated wolverine" idea was simply one of the ideas kicked around about Logan, that was rejected because it was stupid, not that that was the original intention.
@AceLM92
@AceLM92 6 жыл бұрын
Dude Vader knew about Luke in the Dark Horse comic Vader's Quest all the way back in the late 90s
@AceLM92
@AceLM92 6 жыл бұрын
xion 1212 correction, Kathleen Kennedy killed it. disney doesn't deserve that credit
@isaacwest276
@isaacwest276 5 жыл бұрын
Disney's canon of Star Wars is the worst retcon ever. But they did have some good points.
@brianervin7643
@brianervin7643 5 жыл бұрын
Stick and the Hand and the Chaste predate 'Man Without Fear' by years and years ... Frank Miller created them, but it was during his run on the main series in the early '80s.
@MrChupacabra555
@MrChupacabra555 6 жыл бұрын
At about 6:35 : One of the things I liked about the animated series "Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes" was that it combined elements from more modern day stories with those from when the Avengers were first formed back in the 70s. One storyline involved the Avengers trying to get the Cosmic Cube from A.I.M. In this version, the Cube was an item that could literally grant a single 'wish' to its holder once it was sufficiently powered up (more or less like in the classic Avengers story). Long story short(er), Captain America managed to get his hands on it first, and it seemed to be depowered, without granting any wish. Except.... Captain America had one secret regret he had never told anyone: The death of his sidekick Bucky, so the Cube granted him the wish he didn't consciously ask for... the scene shifts back to decades ago and Bucky beneath the freezing waters... and his eyes open!!! ^_^ Bucky was now alive, but thanks to the 'butterfly effect', he didn't necessarily have a happy life afterwards, leading to all the events that made him the Winter Soldier.
@TheRealNormanBates
@TheRealNormanBates 6 жыл бұрын
1:45 After watching EMPIRE:REVISITED (by Adywan) again, I noticed how it is Vader who convinces the Emperor that "maybe we can turn him". I always felt that Vader knew before EMPIRE that Luke was his son, and that the time between ANH and ESB involved Vader hunting for and discovering the identity of Luke Skywalker (which the Marvel STAR WARS comics addressed, such as the Valance mini series). 3:23 Lucas, in no way, ripped off this for Anakin and Padme, with Padme giving birth to twins who were strong with the mutant powers. I mean they had a high midichlorian count. They were strong with the Force.
@Arjeebee
@Arjeebee 6 жыл бұрын
Surprised that you didn't mention the multiple Jean Grey/Phoenix retcons that took place.
@davidbjacobs3598
@davidbjacobs3598 4 жыл бұрын
Surprised no mention of Magneto's origins as a Holocaust survivor or past friendship with Xavier, neither of which appeared until Claremont's run (in #150 & #163 I believe respectively), yet both of which have become essential colorations that complicate and sympathize Magneto, transforming him from a Saturday morning serial villain into one of the most fascinating characters in the Marvel Universe.
@BlankPicketSign
@BlankPicketSign 6 жыл бұрын
3:39 LOL! "The Wizzer"
@jeffburns3240
@jeffburns3240 2 жыл бұрын
On Wolverine, Len Wein denies the High Evolutionary origin but Cockrum confirms it. Sounds more like a case of Cockrum kicking that idea around but no one else putting stock in it. The point is that the idea isn't just fan theory, it came from one of the writers.
@yoda5436
@yoda5436 5 жыл бұрын
havent watched but im guessing from the thumbnail that its that wolverine used to be a teen with blade gloves
@crazypatchy1
@crazypatchy1 4 жыл бұрын
Thumbed for the call out on "Dark seed"
@rev.jonathanwint6038
@rev.jonathanwint6038 6 жыл бұрын
Hal Jordan as Paradox was awesome
@nottherock
@nottherock 5 жыл бұрын
You screwed up the Wolverine claw story. The claws were added when the adamantium was added into his body. When the metal was yanked out of his body he had bone claws, but they had said in the books that the claws and his bones had fused with the adamantium and so when adamantium was ripped out his bones had already grown into the pattern of the skeleton. That's why he had bone claws after the metal was ripped out. First couple of books following Magneto ripping the metal out of his body discussed this issue.
@kevinthe1st
@kevinthe1st 5 жыл бұрын
John Byrne bringing Superman's parents back to life.
@stanleytehee
@stanleytehee 4 жыл бұрын
How do you not have Superman’s ability to fly on the list? In 1939 he could jump an eighth of a mile, but when his cartoon came out in 1940 it was too tough to show him jumping, and the cartoonists instead showed him flying, and Superman began to fly instead of leaping tall buildings in a single bound.
@nickb2208
@nickb2208 6 жыл бұрын
@12:21 Who's painting/drawing style is that? Like who's the artist?
@PotrzebieConolly
@PotrzebieConolly 6 жыл бұрын
Bucky Barnes being killed in World War II was itself a retcon. The original Bucky was in Captain America Comics from 1941 until 1949.
@jaycurtis5036
@jaycurtis5036 5 жыл бұрын
Bucky was one of those characters that was always supposed to stay dead.
@andrewrolfe8857
@andrewrolfe8857 5 жыл бұрын
Originally Wolverines claws were not in his gloves. They were in his forearms but housed so that they didn't cut him when extended.
@michaelcoffey1991
@michaelcoffey1991 6 жыл бұрын
Fun video I had forgotten 1/2 of this.
@gavinsmiley9377
@gavinsmiley9377 6 жыл бұрын
There are so many cities with several million people in them in DC, the population must be insanely high.
@ChadMichaelSimon
@ChadMichaelSimon 6 жыл бұрын
Flow, flow, flow - abrupt ending. No goodbye, no thank you for watching. End Scene.
@Scarabola
@Scarabola 3 жыл бұрын
3:24 you just described what happens to Padme and her kids at the end of Episode 3.
@mattway18
@mattway18 4 жыл бұрын
The thing I hate about reading comics is that I get certain references and Easter eggs so I see them as forced or fan service-y. If you don’t read comics is that they seem forced (sometimes a forced line is just a forced line) or they just go over someone’s head.
@AnyMe223
@AnyMe223 6 жыл бұрын
5:16 That reason has a name: Frank Miller
@andrewtaylor940
@andrewtaylor940 5 жыл бұрын
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the first time Wolverines claws are shown to be a part of him was in Uncanny X-Men 100-101 When part of the team is trapped in space by the Sentinals. a stripped down nearly naked Wolverine pops his claws without his gloves on, prompting Colossus to gasp "The Claws... they are part of you!" An even more often overlooked subtlety. Wolverines "Healing Factor", the thing everybody knows about him, is barely mentioned until Somewhere in the Brood Saga, roughly Uncanny X-Men #161 or so.
@kravenbludd
@kravenbludd 6 жыл бұрын
I'd like to think that Cap's sidekick, Golden Girl, is a young Bea Arthur.
@kuroazrem5376
@kuroazrem5376 5 жыл бұрын
Actually, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are not longer considered to be Magneto´s children
@sabinatsang
@sabinatsang 5 жыл бұрын
in the marvel universe, not the x-men one (though wanda doesn't exist in that one, unless the younger sister is wanda)
@artfan101
@artfan101 6 жыл бұрын
Alan Moore is a treasure,.
@Jacob-rd2wh
@Jacob-rd2wh 5 жыл бұрын
I cant be the only person who never knew that marvel made comics with Star Wars???
@bagoftrix
@bagoftrix 4 жыл бұрын
I always hated the bone claws though. Never liked it. I liked the ‘he wasn’t an vicious animal but was made into one’ approach more.
@munjatkumo1929
@munjatkumo1929 4 жыл бұрын
Holy shit, that Vader-scene is amazing and so simple. Too bad Lucas didn`t think of that and make it part of the movies.
@DEATH111183
@DEATH111183 6 жыл бұрын
ok, just to point out the misconception of the retcon of wolverine's claws...… as someone who lived through that time. i'll save you the trouble of reading the misinformation from google and Wikipedia again. wolverine's mutation originally involved. heightened animalistic senses. natural ability to improve almost without specific training(like an animal) accelerated/hyper healing ability. and quick reflexes. he didn't gain his claws until he was given his adamantium chrome job in weapon x. before that he didn't have them. the only one that had any sort of claws before weapon x. was saber tooth. but when wolverine got his and ran from the program. saber tooth had his uniform outfitted with adamantium claws built to the gloves to go over his natural finger nail claws. wolverine's claws were only natural parts of his mutation as an advent of more recent comics, specifically one's tailored after the first Xmen movie
@teknoskan4825
@teknoskan4825 6 жыл бұрын
DEATH111183 : This is true. I believe Chris Clairemont created an "All about X-Men" guide that tried to explain how their powers worked. There was an x-ray of Wolverine showing his claws protruding from a metal device in his forearm, which is why his gloves and hands had metal nodes for the claws to extend from without causing damage to his skin. This fact is also backed up in the 90s X-Men Animated Series where Wolverine states Weapon-X gave him his claws. This was prior to the comics issue where Magneto strips Wolverine of his adamantium revealing bone claws, which predates the Origins mini-series showing a young Logan with bone claws killing his father.
@The_Hero113
@The_Hero113 6 жыл бұрын
“Batman’s Father Jarvis?”
@Bluesit32
@Bluesit32 6 жыл бұрын
Alfred's father, Jarvis.
@Mr.Brothybear
@Mr.Brothybear 3 жыл бұрын
Flash never struck me as someone who'd break the 4th wall 12:31
@baconshake2401
@baconshake2401 4 жыл бұрын
What about that Wolverine origin comic where he escaped weapon x facility, got in a fight with with a clawed skeleton which eventually clawed through wolverines back a then fused with skeleton via wolverines healing factor?
@hengeljr123
@hengeljr123 4 жыл бұрын
What comic is that??
@Pille22
@Pille22 4 жыл бұрын
When the retractable claws of wolverine are not out.... they couldn't possibly fit into his arm and he would never could move his hand when they are inside! Just noticed.
@flounder2760
@flounder2760 6 жыл бұрын
ending more abruptly then you first attempt at love making i give you a what culture video!
@GaryTurbo
@GaryTurbo 6 жыл бұрын
They finally got rid of that "Zeus is my faja"
@DanM16
@DanM16 4 жыл бұрын
When Magneto removed the adamantium from Wolverine, yet he still had his claws... In the 90's that blew my mind. Like wait that means they were always there.. So what's his real backstory, when that graphic novel was released... Bruh..
@meisalanbenfica1
@meisalanbenfica1 6 жыл бұрын
Who else thought is Said 10 raccoons that changed comics
@afro4640
@afro4640 6 жыл бұрын
alan vazquez I mean I can only thing of one.
@ArcanRedd
@ArcanRedd 6 жыл бұрын
1-10: Rocket
@aqdrobert
@aqdrobert 5 жыл бұрын
If Rocket could alter reality, would he be a Retcoon?
@Nob0dy-07
@Nob0dy-07 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this comment
@jettcord6834
@jettcord6834 6 жыл бұрын
Will someone please define the term retcon?
@Nasibu83
@Nasibu83 6 жыл бұрын
It means either adding or changing an already existing story. (Example ; When Batman 1st came out Bruce Wayne had to hire Alfred but at some point they changed it to Alfred was the Wayne's butler before Bruce was even born.)
@jettcord6834
@jettcord6834 6 жыл бұрын
@@Nasibu83 thanks amigo... also, why 'retcon' ret-con ... is it short for something?
@Nasibu83
@Nasibu83 6 жыл бұрын
@@jettcord6834 I didn't know what it's abbreviation was either until I googled it. It's retroactive continuity.
@jettcord6834
@jettcord6834 6 жыл бұрын
@@Nasibu83 my appreciation, my friend. A bit of a confusing word, really. Glad to have this sorted out.
@RagnarokMic
@RagnarokMic 6 жыл бұрын
It's a condensed version of: retroactive continuity, changing the story to fit a new history, saying something in the past was actually "this" instead of "that."
@greenkoopa
@greenkoopa 4 жыл бұрын
I think calling it "DC comics" is weird because DC stands for Detective Comics.
@mitchellsomething9153
@mitchellsomething9153 3 жыл бұрын
ATM machines
@PinieNox
@PinieNox 6 жыл бұрын
About the first one, glass is made from sand, so thats way the glass broke in his space office (not the real reason offcours) Edit: now i think of it maybe space office glass is not made of sand at all
@TheLurkingWriter
@TheLurkingWriter 6 жыл бұрын
Funny idea even if it's wrong, so props for that. :) In Legends continuity, it's called transparisteel (aka transparent steel - kind of like Star Trek's transparent aluminium). Not saying there's 0% chance of sand being involved in the manufacturing process but it does seem unlikely. Extra trivia, the metal used in most construction was called durasteel or duranium, and the concrete equivalent was called duracrete. I haven't checked to see if this is all still the case in the new canon.
@jamesgatz4490
@jamesgatz4490 6 жыл бұрын
Oh snap. I remember The Whizzer from Spider-man The Animated Series
@screwthenet
@screwthenet 5 жыл бұрын
Correction, wolverine, like sabretooth and the few other ferals that have enough regenerative powers to keep increasing muscle mass, do not actually have super strength. They can just increas in muscle mass after fights or exercise as long as proper protein intake is supplied, but to an extent they can be very strong, however, its notthe type of strength that begins the class known as "super strength" That technically begins around the level wolvey can achieve, but really begins with those like Captain America that can actually lift more than 2000 lbs. And Cap is just considered closeto the pinnacle of natural human evolution, he didnt even get the truly perfected super soldier serum. SO super strength is still a bit out of the league of reality for wolvey. BUt yah, he can still hit almost a third to half as strong as cap when hes berserked out and has them claws of adamantium. Thought Id clear that up for ya. ^,;,^
@DarkwyndPT
@DarkwyndPT 6 жыл бұрын
6 - Recently Marvel tried to ret-retconned Wanda and Pietro as NOT being Magneto's kids, even going so far as saying they're we're not even mutants, but Inhumans, all because of the MCU. It went as well as you expected. The only real retcon Marvel did was that Magda actually a real witch, making Wanda the lastest of a line of scarlet witches.
@RagnarokMic
@RagnarokMic 6 жыл бұрын
It'll go back the other way now that the X-Men are coming back to Disney's hands.
@cristian-ionutapostol8018
@cristian-ionutapostol8018 4 жыл бұрын
X-Men #98 revealed Wolverine was NOT a Mutant like the rest of the X-Men, HE WAS originally meant to be something else, even if it wasn't an uplifted animal.
@johnsw224
@johnsw224 3 жыл бұрын
You get a down for that snarky Wolverine comment
@oraclesage449
@oraclesage449 6 жыл бұрын
Didnt marvel recton the whole scarlett witch and quicksliver during mutants no more and the twins are mutates and children of of the maxioffs after all .
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