10 Ungrateful Video Game NPCs That Deserved WORSE

[@dennisautry7841]

I don't know what I did differently, but my Arthur had a very congenial relationship with Ms. Grimshaw. She was actually very warm, and supportive toward him. Anyone else??

[@Windmelodie]

Same here. Only time she was rude was when I hung around camp for too long listening to convos, reading documents etc. Then she started nagging a little. Other than that, it was a pretty good relationship and I appreciate her tough love.

[@wadey2911]

Same here. Maybe had one or two comments from her over the course of two full playthroughs.

[@theunknownstuntman4010]

Yep same, although she did drag me to the barrel n force me to wash in one playthrough lol

[@damiandekker474]

Yep

[@40fw]

3rd favorite at camp. My nephew Jack is number 1

[@grabtharshammer2085]

Someone didn't play Baldurs Gate 3 to act 3 and Mayrina is leading a secret society of hag hunters and a great ally with interesting character development

[@thedarkstarr11]

From the looks of it, seems the writer just glanced over a couple of channels and didn't play most of the games to find out...OR, alternatively, they only made the worst choices and ended up with the consequences of their own actions. Mayrina is one of the better NPCs. Most of 'em, if you treat 'em right will help you at some point. I figured the druids would be higher up than anyone. Half of 'em would side with the Shadow Druids if given the opportunity. Like the elf inside the room with Kagha, or the gnome out near the statue. They practically spit on you everytime you talk to them.

[@beoweasel]

What's more obnoxious is that they seem to acknowledge that she has a frigging character arc in Act 3, but just blithely dismiss it as, "Well, you'll probably be too frustrated with the character to ever see that!!" Seriously? Not to mention that Mayrina's characterization is perfectly understandable if you *bother to pay attention rather than just skip all the dialogue*. She's a distraught, emotionally devastated woman struggling with the loss of her beloved husband and an uncertain future of raising their child alone, which she believes she's incapable of doing. Ethel preyed on Mayrina's vulnerability, offering to bring her husband back from the dead in exchange for her child, who she assured she would raise as her own and teach them the ways of magic (which, technically speaking yeah...that was Ethel's intention, though in true Hag fashion, it's laden with half-truths). To Mayrina, that seemed like a great deal. She gets her husband back AND her child gets a life that she would never be able to provide. And it's not like you can scoff at Mayrina being unable to see through the the hag's lies, because you can see numerous examples both in her lair and in the Druid's Grove that Ethel is very persuasive. Hell, there's that Gurr hunter hanging outside her Tea House preparing himself to make a deal with her and, unlike everybody else, he KNOWS exactly what she is. If you just rush into the swamp and confront Ethel without telling Mayrina that Ethel murdered her brothers (by speaking to their corpses) when they attempted to find and rescue her, then she only knows that you've blundered in to play hero and deprived her of the one chance to get her husband back and secure a better future for her unborn child. But if you DO tell her about her brothers, then she realizes that Ethel has been playing her for a fool and during the fight with Ethel, cheers you on to kill the Hag. She's thankful for your rescue, but devastated that she nearly gave her child to a monster...and then the knife is twisted even further when you seemingly provide her with the thing she had sacrificed so much and endured...only to find out that "hope" simply brings her husband back as a mindless, rotting undead. People REALLY sell Mayrina short because she's not weeping with joy for her rescuers. The quest rewards exploration and wants you to investigate the swamp and the brothers' fate. It also fits the overarching theme of BG3, that of crisis of faith and the lengths people will go to secure safety for themselves and alleviate that crisis.

[@jessmcdonell]

yeah! i said shes in act 3 but i didnt wanna be spoily, and i didnt write it, but i did try to reference that :)

[@koibitothescrublord4977]

​@@beoweasel No one is reading all that. Cry less and wrap it up.

[@beoweasel]

@@koibitothescrublord4977 It's not crying, it explaining the nature of the character, not just a rant. But please, do whine and sob about how reading is hard.

[@boingthegoat7764]

If you tell Mayrina that Auntie Ethel killed her brothers during your first meeting, she immediately calls off the deal and will in fact cheer you on during your fight with Ethel (once you put out the fire in her cage). ...I tried this at too low a level and thus got to hear a lot of her cheering.

[@zeno6554]

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@JoeySmith-ob4dq]

If you tell her that her child was going to be eaten she apologized and thank you for killing the monster

[@johnpixie]

she also sets up a hag suport group in act 3, i liked her

[@Rakshiir]

Spoiler: She also gets way better later in act 3 if you meet her again and do the questline connected to the hag support group. I guess it is a case of her being overwhelmed by grief and the fear of the future as a single mother in a world like Baldurs Gate. Not to say she should get a total pass but still, it is fair to consider that.

[@maranathaschraag5757]

The frustrating thing is the game won't let the quest end there. You either need to give her the wand or destroy it in front of her.../sigh

[@Droidsbane]

Mayrina's actually a lot more appreciative towards you if you inform her that her brothers were killed by the Hag when you meet her for the first time.

[@impishrebel5969]

That doesn't work if you actually manage to save them.

[@Droidsbane]

@@impishrebel5969 eh? Save who?

[@kapitainein]

@@Droidsbane It is done by toggling upon the passive feature and select non-lethal (long rest and they are alive).

[@Droidsbane]

@@kapitainein doesn't answer who he's talking about

[@ultraphoenix95]

@@Droidsbane Mayrina's Brothers, the ones you mentionned in your comment

[@md.mojahidulislam4508]

In bg 3 if you tell the girl that the hag killed her brothers she'll be better towards you and will hate the hag

[@NDeezy]

Can’t say I agree with the Mayrina take. She’s a pregnant, grieving widow, and she was being tricked by a hag. You expect too much of her in the immediate aftermath of her entire plan to get her husband back falling apart. Plus I ended up having a good relationship with her by the end.

[@bradleybourgeois4710]

Besides, if you tell her that Auntie Greenleaf killed her brothers, she is much more understanding of the situation.

[@TheMarcHicks]

In my 2 BG3 play-throughs, Mayrina is always thankful & grateful.....and even offers me her locket as a reward for saving her from the Hag....though I never take it as it was given to her by her now deceased husband. The trick is to be sure to inform Mayrina that the Hag killed her brothers and/or to convince her of what happens to a child given to a Hag.

[@Sergiblacklist]

Yeah she's not ungrateful she's traumatised 😂 she doesn't know what to do and the hag put a spell on her to sell her child for a broken boon

[@Bails1920]

I was gonna say the same thing, I have always had a good experience with Mayrina because I informed her the Haf killed her brothers and she is no longer on the Hag's side.

[@impishrebel5969]

I managed to save her brothers and then they disappeared without ever having a part in the story but it made it impossible to tell her that, so. yeah. You can save her brothers and you won't be able to get to actually have her be grateful.

[@Bails1920]

@@impishrebel5969 wow how did you do that?

[@kie306]

Ah so don't take the wand that controls her husband for yourself and use him in battle like a pokemon got it

[@Boone_Faustus]

Mayrina is actually great and understandable. The worst one in BG3 is Wulbren Bongle.

[@bbaugher2419]

have you heard the disstrack for wulbren bongle? it's hilarious (it's on tiktok, but it should probably be uploaded here too)

[@Boone_Faustus]

@@bbaugher2419 Yeah, I actually thought that was the inspiration for this video and he'd be number one on the list.

[@Racecar2024]

Delphine is the worst 😂

[@TheAzulon]

"You! The guy i'm suposed to protect! Go up this mountain and kill the dragon that helped banish Alduin and created a group of monks that actually helped you!" "What do you mean by No? I'm not talking to you until you do it!"

[@BaoHadir]

​@@TheAzulonThat's the part I hated most. Paarthurnax is living a peaceful life up on top of a mountain, leading the Grey Beards and enlightneing himself. Delphine wants you to go up there and murder him in cold blood. Nevermind that you may have slain a thousand hostile dragons by now, she needs proof that you're willing to kill someone who isn't hurting anybody and is actively atoning for his sins. And she won't talk to you unless you kill him. The WORST.

[@tigersebel]

@@TheAzulon thank god there are mods that basically let you tell delphine to shut the hell up and respect your authoritah and forget about paarthunax. i wish this was in the base game

[@bluerdoll3460]

​@tigersebel love mods, cannot hate such a stuck up character like delphine more

[@Trollius]

she suffers more to lack of story, but there are times i can't tell who is worse, her or nazeem

[@davidschulberg8584]

Another one for Dragon Age Origins: Queen Anora. You go through all the trouble of rescuing her, then she sells you out to Loghain's soldiers. Then AGAIN, in the landsmeet, where for some baffling reason, if you speak in favor of her, she DENOUNCES you. Wtf, lady

[@CromulonDan]

My favourite detail with far cry 4 is that the canon ending is the one where you team up with Pagan Min

[@danieljung785]

Wait seriously? 😂 the do nothing ending is the real one?

[@Kaimariification]

@@danieljung785 I don't know if that is the canon ending or not, but for some people they will deem it so. If they only allowed the player to play out the entire game on Pagan Min's side with a nice change up on how to handle things, I am sure many more would declare that the canon ending.

[@Emil_Stoltz]

​@@danieljung785There's a choice when you meet Pagan Min at the end of the game in his fortress that lets you join him. Pretty sure that's the one they mean

[@Petaurista13]

@@Emil_Stoltz you cna also skip whole game by actually waiting for him when you're supposed to escape. Spoilers Plot-twits is that he's actually honest and fair with you. He WILL take you to Lakshmana and tell you the truth. After that you can put ashes of Ajay mother next to her like she wanted. For Kyrat he's tyrant, but seemingly he never had any ill intentions towards Ajay b4 we join rebellion which was revealed to lead to just another tyranny, either drug cartel or religious one anyway. So honestly, from main Kyrat's character in game Pagan Min was BEST.

[@Emil_Stoltz]

@@Petaurista13 Yeah, I know. I played Far Cry 4 for years when it released

[@landonewts]

I was shocked when I heard people actually immediately shot Marcy Long in Fallout 4. Until I met Marcy Long.

[@arellajardin8188]

Marcy Long deserves a pass, because she put her faith in the Minutemen, only for most of her hometown to be killed, her child murdered, and then marched the length of the Commonwealth only for every step to be a disaster. She's a trauma victim like her husband, but where he mentally shut down, she put up walls of distrust as a defense. She's waiting for the next disaster to finish her off, she has no faith left in anything, not even you.

[@renammartinez]

By pass you mean "send her to that one settlement you'll never set a foot on" right?

[@TheAzulon]

@@renammartinez You forgot "without her husband". But yeah, pretty much.

[@renammartinez]

@@TheAzulon but that's implied! What kind of heartless monster would sentence Jun to that sort of ordeal?

[@Gripen1974]

Yes she is broken woman and need years to recover with support and will never recover if she is without support. I have met ppl as her in real life and they may open up 4-5 year down the line.

[@CharlesFroehler]

She gets guard post duty, on the far end of the cul-de-sac, where she'll never have to bother- I mean worry about anything. P.S. Sturges! Stop hammering that wall or I swear to Liberty Prime we're gonna find out if you're an essential NPC or not!

[@emismpunk]

Queen Anora from dragon age origins deserves worse for sure. So many people give her a free pass though… She played just as much of a role in ferelden’s civil unrest/war as her father. At least with Loghain he can be reform/shows remorse for his actions if you choose too. (However you have to betray Alistair!) But Anora retains that haughty holier than you attitude and pretty much throws you under the wagon at every opportunity. She was the Queen for makers sake but certainly didn’t act like one! A whole lot of telling rather than showing her competence. Which I still doubt heavily. I don’t trust her. Not to mention while Alistair will only jail her if he is king, Anora will straight up execute him if she remains in power. Really puts into perspective the kind of person Anora is. Her only saving grace is that she does truly care about her father but unfortunately this comes at the cost of her country and its people. Both father and daughter were willing to let the country fall to the blight and war. All to retain their own power. For their treason, Loghain gets put down and Anora is sent straight to the dungeons! I will die on this hill.

[@michaelmarriott1177]

But Dont you get to marry her or have Alistair marry her if you choose?

[@emismpunk]

@@michaelmarriott1177 you can to either of those, under certain conditions but it still doesn't negate how cruddy of a person she is. She's an alright ruler by inquisition (if you keep her as queen or marry her to Alistair) at least but a terrible person none the less. Again she did let her country go to the wolves for daddy dearest and her own position. If you play as a female noble, you can marry Alistair and be an absolute power couple.

[@danielawaritefe4589]

The Buddhist monk you save from Maelstrom in Cyberpunk 2077. If you kill any of them he will never be thankful for saving him and is just rude!

[@glennboyce7753]

I have yet to just knock any of the Maelstromers out, so as a result I did not know that he would be grateful.

[@TheMarcHicks]

I always manage to knock out the Maelstrom guys.

[@garyballard179]

You really expect a Buddhist monk to be grateful that you _killed_ somebody?

[@thedarkstarr11]

I knocked them all out...went back AFTER the monk had joined his brother and found they were still there (earlier patch) and...well, then they weren't.

[@chadnorris8257]

I feel like there really should have been a sidequest to help Marcy and Jun get over their grief, and start acting normal again. As it stands, the best you can do (outside of killing them) is to use them to set up trade routes, so you don't have them hanging around Sanctuary all the time.

[@lefinq]

Mayrina is a troubled, desperate woman who comes through for you later even if she's unappreciative of you saving her at first. She should have been replaced on the list with Wulbren Bongle, who has no redeemable qualities.

[@Paul_McSeol]

Patches. That double crossing son of a ……

[@Outlaw7263]

I killed him for his gear in Elden Ring

[@_Paul_N]

I always kill him at the Tomb of Giants in Dark Souls 1 🙃

[@Xone9]

Jimmy and Tracey aren't teenagers, they're 20 and 22 respectively.

[@efaristi9737]

Most annoying about Delphine is that she want you to kill Paarthurrnax for killing humans thoussands of years ago, regardless of the fact that Paarthurnax helped the first dragonborn get rid of Alduin and spent a very long time attoning for his misdeeds. Like for her, it seems only humans can change or redempt.

[@beatrixdobson4795]

Sorry, what? Who hates Ms Grimshaw? Every playthrough I've done of RDR2 I've had no bad interactions with her. The one 'bad' one was when she made my Arthur wash because he was dirty but that was just funny.

[@Shypix]

For real 😂 that was the weirdest take? If that’s all it takes to make this list then every member of the gang should be on it - they’re flawed humans but that’s what makes the player care about them even more. I thought MAYBE they would at least drop the Molly scene to justify it but guess not? 😂 And implying that Ms. Grimshaw deserved WORSE? Uh?? Her ending was only devastating, shocking and if anything - UNdeserved 😅 what a wild choice for this list!

[@averycheesypotato]

Saying that Grimshaw is “the most unappreciative” when she’s in the same game as frighin’ DUTCH is just hilarious

[@CGold75]

Fun Fact: In Far Cry 4, if you just sit around and wait long enough, the game's main antagonist will actually return to the lavish room you're in towards the beginning of the game and take you in his helicopter to spread your late mother's ashes. Thus ending the game early and without violence.

[@Altoryu]

Seems to be a running joke with the Farcry games starting with 4 that the best endings are near the start of the game.

[@noahfecks7598]

The pestering for more money at the camp isn't as annoying as the fact that the other donations consist of things like owl feathers, bat wings, iguana scales, etc.. It makes me wonder if Grimshaw is some sort of Voodoo witch.

[@LordRaine]

Delphine feels awful because Skyrim has a tremendous amount of cut content. They were almost done with the game, but had to cancel a bunch of features to make the 11-11-11 ship date set by marketing and management. This includes removing the active territory system, where the Imperials and Stormcloaks would dynamically fight each other to hold parts of the map, which is what those weird war maps with the pins on them were GOING to be used for. Originally, there was going to be an option to truly restore the Blades, there would have been more to do with Paarthunax, and you could have chosen to submit yourself as the High King of Skyrim at the Moot. All of this was removed, so Deplhine's story just ends abruptly.

[@JStryker47]

I'd have loved it if, after finishing the expansions' main quests, there'd be a final quest that could end with your character becoming the new High King or Queen - and, if you were married, have your spouse be your ruling partner. Or marry Elisif.

[@DMBLaan]

Ood, did I just pick the "right" dialog options in BG3, or maybe it's because I am a Cleric of Kelemvor, but she didn't really act like that with me. She wasn't happy for sure, but she wasn't ungrateful either and even very remorseful for what had happened. I haven't finished the game yet, but I know she comes back in a follow up quest in Act 3, but as of now she's not that bad.

[@markknapp3714]

"If you know, you know" is a hilarious caption considering whoever wrote this script definitely doesn't "know" about Mayrina

[@d.a.baracus]

Half of the quest-givers in The Witcher 3 could be on this list.

[@Outlaw7263]

Oh yeah.... "He killed some good temarian boys!" Weren't they trying to split your skull open like a ripe melon on your counter for taking down the temerian coat of arms? Because nilfgard would burn your in to the ground if they saw it?

[@chaperonrouge8309]

So true 😭

[@ryanwight9116]

Remember, the only arguable good ending in Far Cry 4 is the one where you do nothing at the start and beat the game in around 10 minutes Not only are the guerrilla leaders absolutely horrible BUT it’s hard to side with a group when ya discover your father (who founded said group) literally shot your half-sister, who was a just a baby, in the head

[@Maowka]

Far Cry 4, but yes

[@013wolfwarrior]

If you kill them both, do you get an ending where you take over Kyrat?

[@barletproductions]

Not to mention wasnt the main villain, your uncle, actually caring to your mother and family and didn't want you to be in the war at all?

[@ryanwight9116]

@@barletproductions yep, who lets you rule the kingdom if ya don’t kill him. Once ya find out AJ’s father shot your half sister (who was just a baby) in the head, the so-called main villain doesn’t seem so bad

[@painitful]

The Mayrina entry seems a bit spiteful, she doesn't deserve evil actions just because she's got the foresight of a bag of rocks

[@madamefluffy4788]

There are NPCs from BG3 that would have made far better choices for this list (Kagha and Wulbren Bongle come immediately to mind).

[@JStryker47]

@@madamefluffy4788 Or Mol. Also, Kagha can be redeemed if you discover her plot to help the shadow druids take over the grove, and convince her to turn against them. Not only will she call off the ritual and humbly accept her punishment from Halsin, but if you're a fellow druid, she'll give you a decent staff for your trouble.

[@madamefluffy4788]

@@JStryker47 Mol is a tiefling child who runs a thieves guild. She hasn't really done anything to warrant anything bad to happen to her. Kahga, on the other hand, got off way too light for all the stunts she pulled - all of which could have ended up with the death of countless innocent people and are only avoidable if you make successful rolls to talk her out of her nonsense. (which doesn't always work). The least she deserved for her BS was getting her sorry as evicted from the Grove.

[@JStryker47]

@@madamefluffy4788 You don't see anything wrong with a child running a guild of criminals who steal from people? How about making a deal with a devil; which you can free her from, only for her to curse you out for it? Deals with devils never end well for the contract signer, after all. Just ask Wyll. FYI, Kagha will be exiled if you fail to save Arabella, and will later be killed by her parents. Also, have you heard of the save/load feature?

[@madamefluffy4788]

@@JStryker47 Petty theft that doesn't hurt anyone in the long run is far less awful than a woman who actively threatens the life of a child, condemns a whole group of weak tielfing refugees to death by forcing them out of the grove and intends to close off an entire druid grove without Halsin's blessing (she has no idea if he's alive or dead and isn't bothering to even try to look for him - other druids are doing it behind her back and the tielfings ask the player to find him before the ritual is completed). Mol's contract with Raphael affects only her; no one else - and even if you kill Raphael, she doesn't seem to be suffering any ill effects from it. As long as you don't tell her you killed Rapahel, she remains on good terms with you.

[@ShaunFVG]

The handler in monster hunter world. She gets into situations you save her from, contributes nothing, then claims part of the credit for everything you do.

[@theunknownstuntman4010]

Sounds like Rick from the walking dead TV show lol

[@koibitothescrublord4977]

​@@theunknownstuntman4010We must've watched two different walking dead shows then. What Did Rick not do but claim credit for? He had a hand on almost every MAJOR event until his departure.

[@kevinmitchell766]

​@@theunknownstuntman4010I think you have Rick confused with Sasha. 😂

[@thebighoney9034]

Paard? PAAAAAAAAAAARD??!!

[@themachoechidnaugandarandy7583]

I wished they kept the lore of her being some planted agent from some peta type terrorist organization who wants to stop the hunt.

[@Onimusashi85]

I think Mute Marcy Long might be the most downloaded Fallout 4 mod on nexusmods.

[@Tony2-Dirty]

Sounds like y’all didn’t get to Act 3 or did the barest of minimums in the Mayrina quest. She can easily be told the truth of what’s gonna happen to her baby if you use Speak with Dead on Ethel, which you can get a necklace for when you clear the crypt where you meet Withers. She can also go to your side if you side with her brothers against Ethel.

[@beefpanda827]

Mayrina was actually nice when i rescued her the first time

[@MarianaPall]

Ella Musk in Genshin Impact. Sure, her string of quests are important in the early game, as it gives the shocking revelation that the Hillichurls are actually human, but after that, her dailies are annoying, she implies you didnt read her notes when in reality, she often misses her translations, getting you or her into trouble. And the ungrateful npc always assumes you will help her again and again . Thank god for the new reward system.

[@livelybubbs6242]

I swear to god, I misread ‘Ella Musk’ as ‘Elon Musk’, i got so confused..

[@IcE-_-Kidd]

​@@livelybubbs6242 Yo Facts Lmao

[@dorabrooks76]

Yeah, an outro! 🥳 So much better than just cutting off at the end like it has been lately. Thanks!

[@donaldfrederick501]

Wait..... Who has that RDR2 playthrough? Other than the scripted scene involving Molly, Ms. Grimshaw was nice to my runs as Arthur each time. Maybe all those chores I had Arthur do was the trick?

[@averycheesypotato]

Lol no Grimshaw is definitely one of the good NPCs. People seem to still like Dutch more than her, but Grimshaw literally died for the gang while Dutch just abandons everyone to his own choices

[@emptycradle1304]

Marcy Long: There are people like this. "Squeaky well gets the grease" as the saying goes some people will actually keep complaining no matter what. While that may work with people who dont know them, people who do know them will instead consider the saying "Boy who cried wolf" and begin to ignore them...

[@TheMarcHicks]

Ah yes, Bethesda and their un-killable NPC's strikes again.

[@wilomica]

I knew Fallout 4 would make the list! You could fill most of the list with Fallout 4 NPCs.

[@illyahrthebard3303]

Marcy was so bad, they had to release a patch to give her less-hostile dialogue as most people were torturing her for fun

[@danamoore1788]

@@illyahrthebard3303 This was Less hostile? I get more respect from Gunners that are shooting at me.

[@illyahrthebard3303]

@@danamoore1788 Honestly? Yes. Dialogue like "OK, you aren't such a screw up" was added later.

[@illyahrthebard3303]

Isolde really isn't as bad as you say. She knows she messed up, and a lot of what she does is reactive damage control. If she survives, even if Connor dies, she admits that it was her fault and she's trying not to hold it against you. If both she and Connor survive, she actively apologizes and thanks you for saving her son.

[@sarahpeets3364]

Doesn't apologize for being hateful to Alistair though.

[@illyahrthebard3303]

@@sarahpeets3364 She had a reason, but she really should've gotten over it. Especially after learning whe Alistair's father really was

[@AylaMarine]

​@@illyahrthebard3303 No, her insecurity does NOT count as a reason.

[@illyahrthebard3303]

@@AylaMarine It isn't a good reason, but it does put her relationship with Alistair in context.

[@sacysily8968]

The game literally wants her to die. Even if you save her, no matter what path you take the codex entry reads that she sacrificed herself for Connor. Even the game itself hates her guts. Don't give her any excuses.

[@mega2009man]

I agree. Delphine was the worst. How dare she "order" me to kill the one guy who has been the best ally and asset against Alduin. I will NEVER kill Paarthunax for her. I do, however, disagree on Mayrina. If you kill Ethel before saving Mayrina and Speak to Dead on her you can get the truth about what the hag was really gonna do. It drastically changes her "blame you" attitude

[@SentaroTheTiger]

1:50 And that's why I choose an "Just wait for Ping" Ending as best ending for me. Guy may be a murdering psychopath but hey - He cares for me. He cared for my mother. And he DID NOT KILL MY BABY SISTER. So...duck that.

[@Rocelin13]

Some of these characters don’t deserve worse. They just need a therapist due to the trauma that they have been through. PTSD is a bitch.

[@OrcDragon65]

It doesn't matter how many times I play Origins, no matter what kind of playthrough I'm doing; Isolde is always going to be sacrificed.

[@HitchcockJohn]

Far Cry 2 was particularly bad about this. The game had a whole mechanic where you had “buddies”- usually two at a time. One would rescue you if you were injured too badly while the other would give you alternative ways to complete missions. That on its own got a bit frustrating since if you managed to NOT accidentally kill them they abruptly go “missing” for seemingly no reason. But what got particularly bad was the ending, where completely out of nowhere, every buddy you didn’t accidentally kill shows up and randomly decides to betray you for no reason. It seemed to completely undermine a mechanic that was supposedly crucial to the game and seemed completely out of character for several of them.

[@lmno567]

Then there was a nasty bug that when you do a new game when you have a finished save game, the buddy is still hostile to you from the end of the old save.

[@mrflawless1165]

I'm glad you said Delphine. I find her spiteful.

[@ryancraig110]

It's funny that this videos thumbnail has the words if you know you know on it considering the fact that this video doesn't actually know regarding that character because they got certain things wrong such as the alternate ways of handling the situation in a game that the two deal with situations in so many ways

[@RankorWrathborn]

I never had an issue with Mrs. Grimshaw and Mayrina was just broken hearted. She's much more grateful and downright qffectionate if you encounter her again I'm Act 3.

[@chadflanaganCFC]

Glad RDR2 got a mention but someone in the Vinder Lin Gang is just as ungrateful if not more, and that's Dutch himself dialogue between Arthur, and him along with dialogue with the other members it's lead to believe they've known each other for at least years, and both him and John bend over backwards only for Dutch to side with Micah enough so he tries to kill you.

[@Outlaw7263]

He literally raised them along with Hosea. They were both 12 to 14 when they joined. By RDR2 they're in their 30's.

[@chadflanaganCFC]

@@Outlaw7263 Proving my point further. About how Dutch was way more ungrateful towards Arthur, and especially John.

[@KwadDamyj]

In Dutch's defense he may have been suffering from a brain injury by that point (got banged in the head during the Saint Denis heist).

[@chadflanaganCFC]

@@KwadDamyj I know that's a long standing theory, but dialogue from John seems to indicate that if Dutch lost Hosea his darker impulses would slowly end up sending him down that spiral. Also only an idiot would trust Micah over people he basically raised.

[@Cobdabeastman]

Didnt really have a problem with delphine....until she demanded i kill my dragon bro

[@Derah_OG]

To be fair Myrene is only ungrateful if you don't pick the right options. When you encounter her brothers realier on, you HAVE to offer them your help to find her. They'll decline you no matter what you say, but if you offer to help, you will later encounter their corpses on the swamp. You can even use Speak with the Dead on them. If you find their corpses, you can tell Myrena that the hag killed them, causing her to call the deal off and **COMPLETELY** changing her demeanor towards you.

[@louiemarks8501]

Saints Row The Third: Zimos. I loved 3 and 4, they were exactly the kind of silly and crazy I was hoping the reboot would be, but Zimos was really difficult to like. You put him in charge of the Saints' prostitution business, which makes him an icky character to begin with, but you spend half of his missions interacting with prostitutes who work for violent pimps and "rescuing" them... So they can work for Zimos, whether they still want to be prostitutes or not. I can drive a tank down the sidewalk with the best of them, but Zimos was my limit.

[@tazkol]

honestly questioning how much BG3 they played if mayrina made the list, her reaction is based on how you handle the situation and there are a few ways if you don't handle it like a complete jerk that she is extremely grateful for what you do.

[@theubiquitouspotato]

You forgot that after you full fill your purpose and kill alduin she kicks you out unless you kill the one entity in the world who gave you gave you unconditional help. Yeah never finished that quest.

[@briankenney9528]

I disagree about Tracy and Jimmy. I think Michael hasnt done enough to make up for the stuff he's done in the past

[@averycheesypotato]

Some of these choices are questionable… the “least terrible” on the list is literally a violent misogynist, we are supposed to hate the passively cynical woman who lost her whole family even more? How about more of the characters that actually betray the protagonist without cause? RDR2 has several gang members who are more than happy to leave Arthur to die alone, and Grimshaw is not one of them! Javier’s change in attitude actually hurt, he seems like a real ally in the start of the game. Bill’s is frustrating, you really want to punch him. Dutch though? Should be #1 on the list! Then there’s the Dragon Age series. Did Solas get left out because it would be a spoiler to include him?

[@DataDrain02]

Ugh, I both love and hate Skyrim.... There's SO MUCH GOOD in the game. But MAN is it marred by some of the dimwitted decisions Bethesda made.... .... But, if you use mods. You can at least rectify some of these sour spots.... Like getting to tell Delphine off for wanting to kill Party Snacks.

[@joenesvick7043]

In Mass Effect I gave the Shadow Broker useful Cerberus data, in the next game he's not very thankful. Well at least his successor knows how to show gratitude After helping her avoid capture, Grace in Dragon Age 2 shows her gratitude to Cirilla Hawke by kidnapping the champion's sister Bethany. She's also mad that her boyfriend died because Hawke had the audacity to defend herself, maybe the boyfriend should've tried "Hello" Anyone in Skyrim can be killed with the proper mod, at least on the computer. PlayStation once had a mod made specifically for protecting your child from every hostility out there, but Bethesda banned it as a kill child mod, that wasn't the purpose of the mod Bethesda lol 🤪

[@silverbullet7691]

Delphine sparks a specific kind of rage in me few characters ever have.

[@sakotaatokary1335]

Mindy from Pokémon Diamond & Pearl version. She trades you a Haunter holding an everstone and then laughs at you for expecting it to evolve. There’s an entire subreddit dedicated to hating her

[@9791mij]

Really Ajay Ghale should have been an option because Sabal and Amita plans are so dumb

[@Tomcat_Centauri]

Every other NPC in The Witcher 3 deserves a spot on the list. They all act nice for the 10 seconds it takes to thank you for saving their lives, their sheep and whatnot, and as soon as it's over, they're spitting at your feet when you approach them. Ironically enough, despite being "the bad guys", i found Nilfgaardians to be the most 'respectful' NPCs in the game. And i mean respectful as a rather broad term here. But at least they generally don't threaten to choke you with 3 pounds of steel a mere second after helping them.

[@Qunarr]

I personally will not stand for the belathor slander. Even mentioning him in this video is a crime

[@tubensalat1453]

I wondered "what he do"?

[@Shepard1100]

Michael DeSanta's family, is number 1 for me. I absolutely fucking despise them

[@EbrethilDia]

Marina is considerably less hostile if you tell her the hag killed her brothers before she's wisked away to her cage. If you did do that, the final battle with the hag is hilarious, because Marina will keep swearing at her while you fight. She still won't really thank you until act 3, but considering what she's going through at that moment and her probably being in denial, I found it easy enough to forgive.

[@beljacob6806]

How'd you pick Mayrina over Wulbren???

[@markkuijpers3818]

The Citadel Councillors in Mass Effect. Like, by all means, don't agree with me or believe me. Seems foolish, but can at least be considered valid. But do you really need to be *that* bitchy about it to the person who saved your lives?

[@NeverUseAnApostrophe]

Didn't even complete the Mayrina questline lol

[@madamefluffy4788]

Mayrina deserves a pass. She was a grieving widow and a mother to be and sought out Ethel for help in reviving her husband. Ethel convinced her she'd make for a terrible mother, and that Ethel would revive her husband in exchange for the baby. Add knowing squat all about how green hags operated to her terrible mental state, Mayrina was in no condition to be making any deals - and Ethel eagerly took advantage of that. Telling Mayrina that Ethel killed her brothers make Mayrina less hostile toward the player after you kill Ethel. Giving her the staff that controls the undead (allowing her to control her zombified husband) has her neutral towards the player before they part ways and when you reunite and help her out in act 3, Mayrina is on good terms with the player. A better choice for an NPC from BG3 that deserved worse than they got would be Kagha (from the druid grove) or Wulbren Bongle (a deep gnome). Both deserved far worse than what they got for the heinous actions they did/were planning to do.

[@oracledantex]

I'm going old-school and saying the Laughing Dog from Duck Hunt. Years of that bugger laughing at me when I miss...

[@lelandgrey8587]

You can kill both Amita and Sabal. Side with Amita to kill Sabal then finish the campaign. Go to a certain place on the map to trigger a cutscene with Amita gathering people for forced labor. After the cutscene you can shoot Amita as she walks away.

[@Gorgo178]

Marcy Long lost her Son to Raiders, just days before you met her. Im pretty shure that explains the grumpyness😮

[@JStryker47]

I don't want to meet the lady who feels good, after that.

[@shacoloco]

My personal mention is Mindy from Pokemon Diamond & Pearl trading you a Haunter holding an Everstone that's considered as War Crime

[@stone5against1]

Ava, from Borderlands 3.. She caused the events that got Maya killed for fuck's sake! She was already the worst npc of the game but that made me hate her even more

[@MrJordwalk]

When Private Beans reads her diary over the ECHO on Athenas, I thought: "YOU DESERVE THIS, AVA. MAYA'S DEAD BECAUSE OF YOU" and I walked away from this quest part way through because of her reactions to him.

[@alanmark12345]

You know who is a grateful and loyal npc who helps out in the final fight? Auntie Ethel.

[@MrHand-ms7ut]

Gonna have to disagree about Ms. Grimshaw. When Dutch and Micah turn people against Arthur, she's one of the only ones to grab a gun and defend you, even at the cost of her own life. She always kind of looks out for Arthur to a degree as well.

[@WalkThrough_101]

Nahhh, no way they forgot Zote from Hollow Knight, most ungrateful fecker on the earth and you save him TWICE, both times being optional and you straight up get punished gameplay-wise for saving him, especially in the final boss rush.

[@Outlaw7263]

"The next words out of your mouth better be 'thank you' or we're gonna have a serious fucking problem." -The Boss, Saints Row the 3rd.

[@gigiroelant7299]

I always sacrifice Margrit. I try to play the good guy, but honestly the husband deserves the kill and her being the one left standing made me so angry I reloaded on my 1st playthrough.

[@seeminglyseph]

I suppose the hate is fair, but I always felt that Isolde’s selfishness made sense in the context of DAO, like 90% of the characters are behaving selfishly and being jerks, she just happened to be the one Fantasy French Woman (who I’m pretty sure are actually Fantasy Québécois) among Fantasy Brits. With a history of longstanding occupation and war. The nobility being too concerned with politics to actually be able to act is a major theme of the game, so her being too concerned with her son inheriting her husband’s title to protect her land is thematically appropriate.

[@declanmorden]

Someone clearly did not finish Mayrina's story and get her VERY appreciative letter in the epilogue

[@nataliebateman1151]

Pretty much all the npcs from Twilight Princess wound me up. But Llia especially. She was constantly endangering herself and nagging me, it enraged me to no end

[@theBRANDOProductions]

The “Dad” from fable 1

[@foxxknight8847]

With Mayrina, if the hag kills her brothers instead of you being tricked into doing it and you tell her what the hag did, she calls off the deal and is actually grateful to be rescued... Honestly, though.... If it weren't for the other victims killing the hag saves, I'd be more than happy to take Ethel's offer to leave Mayrina with her. Kid may be turned into a hag, but it would still be a better upbringing than the woman who was willing to sell her kid off to get her husband back ( TBF, she didn't know it would be as a zombie ).

[@TatoHaro]

I found Molly way more annoying than Mrs Grimshaw tbh

[@averycheesypotato]

Molly is literally just falling apart though. She doesn’t actually betray the gang, that’s cleared up after her death by the Pinkertons. Nah, Dutch is the worst. Nothing Arthur does is good enough for him

[@itsybitsybosmer]

Whenever I see Isolde, all I can think of is her irritating "Who ees thees woo-man, Tee-gan??"

[@OdderMoniker]

I loved ms grimshaw. She was the matriarch of the gang. Stern and effective. She was a great character

[@Pallysilverstar]

I never understood the hate for Belethor, hes no more annoying than any other shopkeeper but i guess since hes probably the most used merchant, especially early game, his repeated lines are heard more than others.

[@DawningTheMask]

Been playing RDR2 for a week now, and Miss Grimshawe has been nothing but nice to me.

[@dheu]

Aujean and Eugie from Gravity Rush. Kat saves the boy’s life but all they care about is their house got destroyed.

[@RogueCrocodile]

Wulbren Bongle is worse than Mayrina

[@Rae0814]

I feel like people hate Delphine because on her “all dragons are evil” shtick, she tries to make you kill someone who’s become a mentor to you due to actions in the past. “What is better- to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?”

[@mlmii1933]

I tend to agree that is the real reason people hate her, but the problem is that in TES dragons are spirits and as such are forever bound to thier True Names so unfortunately Paar is doomed to fail in his quest to overcome his nature.

[@RexRedwood]

I don’t agree with Mayrina. She does show some gratitude when you help her with her husband and give her the Bitter Divorce wand. Plus she gives you an amazing reward in Act 3 when you actually complete her story with Aunty Ethel. She does not belong on this list for simply being upset that her plans to bring her husband back to life were spoiled by the player regardless of it being the wrong thing to do (giving her baby away) or she was being conned (Connor comes back a zombie). She may be upset after getting out of the cage but her attitude does change.

[@bladedomega9702]

haha I like how Oxhorn has those slooty mods on 4:18

[@Thrythlind]

For different reasons, Ammon Jerro from Neverwinter Nights 2. From the start there is implication that he's the big bad and you end up facing him around the end of Act 2 where it turns out he's also trying to stop the big bad in his own way. However, his own involves slaughtering your home village and eventually killing his own granddaughter (granted he doesn't know its her) after which you're required to have him in your party. There's also Bishop whom, no matter how well you treat, by the end of the game the best you can hope for from him is that he will walk away from the fight rather than betray you.

[@Canadamus_Prime]

Neeshka also comes to mind.

[@Thrythlind]

@@Canadamus_Prime I love Neeshka though. She's the best companion.

[@Canadamus_Prime]

@Thrythlind Maybe it's just me, but I found she betrayed me at the end no matter what I did. I found it particularly annoying because when she did so, she complained that our party had gotten too big and she didn't feel special anymore (or something like that).

[@Thrythlind]

@@Canadamus_Prime She gets her free will magiced away from her, if your relationship is high enough she breaks free at the end and joins you. I've never found it difficult for her not to join my side for the final battle yet. But they don't make the mechanic very clear. So somebody that plays different choices might not get the same relationship with her I do by default. The only absolute betrayals are Bishop and the fact that either the Wizard or Sorcerer will turn against you if the other one stays with you.

[@Canadamus_Prime]

@@Thrythlind That's the thing, no matter what I did I couldn't get my relationship with her high enough. What really got me is, like I said, how she complained about not feeling special or whatever.

[@luctissot3023]

Having just finished Far Cry 6, there is a yaren story called Spur Of The Moment, where you have to retrieve cock fighting spurs for a guy named Elvis. When you get to the end he tells you that he fixes the cock fights, and if you tell anyone, he'll kill you. After you've just murdered half an army and tried to assassinate the president. That was my only Yaren story I completed after that.

[@Anthonybregante]

You can beat the game without killing Sabal or Amita. I went with Amita and destroyed Sabal's group but when I got to him I just held the gun on him for awhile and eventually the character just tells him to leave.

[@isaacnikolic5895]

Why do so many people think Delphine can't be killed? Complete the main quest!

[@IcE-_-Kidd]

The Villagers In Dying Light 2 At The Bazaar. That Hate You For Being An Outsider And Try To Kill You Many Times.

[@michaelmarriott1177]

i think all of GTA III. Most reward you with Betrayal including Salvatore Leone