10 Ways the GH5 beats the GH6

[@DavidGriffin]

I think the (silent) biggest point of contention possibly has to be value. Lbs for Lbs - I'm still seeing the GH5 as king. As the price continues to plummet... It makes the GH5 more and more valuable until something laps it in capability overall. Good points in the video none the less. 👍🏿

[@clarke.inverary]

GH5 is still king.

[@vanzetti7]

Man I would love a GH6 but it looks like I’m going to have to purchase a second GH5s. The low light abilities are so good.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

They’re a good pair. I use both together for different things or in a multicam edit

[@tariqueorderson9808]

i can argue the G9 is also a GH5, with better photo capabilities and some time limits

[@natearts09]

Being totally honest here. I was about to loose it in your comments regarding your opinions without physically having the GH6 in hand. I said to self " hear him out ". Glad I did because a few concerns regarding recording back up and streaming you've shared your view. Personally I was caught between the GH5 II and the GH6. Your view has saved me time and $. Thanks for sharing your view. It's help me make a conscious decision. Continue.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

Let’s be honest they are all amazing cameras it’s just what’s in your budget and what particular features do you need. I really tried to be fair and give good info even without the camera in hand and obviously it’s better overall, but is it better enough for your money? Maybe maybe not maybe in a year or so. Thanks for stopping by!

[@AlpacoFilms]

Another great video! The GH4 is still SO FREAKIN' GOOD! As amazing as the GH6 is...I can't help but think the GH5 Mark II is better in so many ways for hybrid shooters and live stream content creators. The GH6 is a production MONSTER though! Love these older camera beats newer camera videos! I hope you get a GH6 sometime this year!

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

It really just depends. Some things the GH6 is clearly better at (in fact most things) but is it THAT much better? I want people to think of these cameras as equally valid options.

[@AlpacoFilms]

@@RhettThompsonFilm oh for sure!! I guess what is missing for me are features in the G9 which is definitely in the running here for another very high quality camera. Hopefully some updates or a G10? Regardless agree with you on all points man!

[@EmberSkyMedia]

GH4 in "cine mode" set-up does an amazing job, I think the GH6 is a nice hop over the GH5(S/II) for those who need it. My main hesitence is that there are things this video mentioned (like 6K Photo mode) that are lacking which I see no reason why they should be. But I've decided what the camera DOES bring to the table outweights that and now just waiting on my pre-order to ship... cause everyone is still waiting for the camera unless you live in the UK.

[@AlpacoFilms]

@@EmberSkyMedia Oh it's a really nice step up! I like that it's a step up in a very functional way and it's a really awesome looking camera! I just wish it had a couple features that was in the G9 and S5. But I was under the assumption they weren't going to make a G10. But it certainly looks like they will mostly likely make a G10 or something along those lines.

[@EmberSkyMedia]

@@AlpacoFilms I expect from everything I've heard hinted at a "G10" whatever it ends up being called that is Photo-centric is coming with some kind of improved non-DFD AF system. So a GH6 and G10 combo is likely the "best of both worlds" going forward which is why I'm going GH6 vs. OM-1 (it would be nice to have both but I think Panasonic will Crush the OM-1 in their next camera).

[@alantuttphotography]

Technically, you're right on all points. However, it seems to me that there are several alternatives which nullify the "loss" of features. For instance, 5.8k open gate recording will capture the full resolution of the sensor, and more-or-less replaces the 6k photo mode. True, you end up recording more than you wanted, but there's NO chance of missing the shot. For truly unlimited recording, a USB power bank with 9v/3a supply will both power and charge the camera, and you can replace these as needed for infinite power delivery. Two card slots will relay or dual record everything the other GH5 models can do and more, so you're not really losing anything there. Calling the inability to record ProRes to 2 cards simultaneously a loss doesn't seem right to me. I think it was CineD that showed footage recorded on a GH6 when mounted to a car, and it was just as steady as the GH5s, so nothing really lost there. I haven't really paid too much attention to the low light quality, but I have seen plenty that shows this has more dynamic range than the GH5s, especially in the highlights. If the shadows are more noisy, then we could simply bump up the exposure and drop it back down in post to get cleaner shadows.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

Idk 6k photo is much better than just recording a 6k video. Theres a lot of lag between recording and stopping recording compared to 6k photo. Of course these things the older cameras do "better" is overshadowed by the massive list of improvements of the GH6 but it thought it was still worth noting some of these smaller things the older cameras do and to just acknowledge these older cameras are still great!

[@jessecumberledge4530]

@@RhettThompsonFilm I agree 6k photo is much better. Stupid they dropped it IMO.

[@55whiplash]

@@RhettThompsonFilm Is it possible they will add it with a firmware update, same with post focus..? I agree with the card slot point, totally. But that 100 MP hand held feature looks cool, 4k 120 is that autofocus with sound? Still tempted. I noticed the GH6 is already on eBay at a discount, the OM-1 is on eBay for a premium and not available generally.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

@@55whiplash I’m sure they could it’s just a question of if it’s a priority

[@EmeraldAudiovisual]

The GH5-II and GH6 can be charged via USB-C PD. So hot-swapping a battery is a non-issue. I actually made a video on that. The internal battery will not be depleted, if the battery bank can deliver 9V 3A (or 30W or more). And the reason the live streaming didn't make it over to the GH6, is because it has a new processor, so it wasn't as easy as cut and paste. It might come in the future. And the Sony's went with dual CFExpress Type A. Those slots can also be used for SDcards. But that limits Sony severely. Panasonic, Canon and others use CFExpress Type B, which is much faster. Oh. And the screen on the Blackmagic cameras might be bigger, but you can't see a thing on it if you have too much sunlight outside. You literally need an external screen. The screen on the GH5-II and GH6 are just spot on.

[@EmberSkyMedia]

Yes! The audio is fixed!

[@Patsan4ik1]

Nice comparison! Especially about SD cards! I use microSD with adapter, and can put it to my phone at every moment!

[@dericsanchez4081]

You made some great points. And for me, I think the incredible difference in price between the GH5 and GH6 far outweighs the few upgrades that would be in the GH6 over the GH5. I am actually thinking about picking up a used GH5 now in 2022...

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

I would also seriously consider a GH5mkii! The GH6 is clearly amazing but those other cameras are still really solid!

[@dericsanchez4081]

@@RhettThompsonFilm yeah true. I think I will take a look at the GH5II as well. Will just depend if the price is right.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

@@dericsanchez4081 I really love the 4k60 10 bit better colors and audio on the mkii so far but the GH5 or GH5s are suuuuper solid

[@dericsanchez4081]

@@RhettThompsonFilm would you say those features on the mk2 would be worth paying about $600-$700 more though? I’m not so sure. But that’s just my opinion.

[@shamelssmedia4376]

To me the the 2 sd card slot is a must! When I heard the GH6 dont have dual sd card slots I was immediately turned off and then they didn't really upgrade the autofocus really killed it. Not saying I'm not used to manual focus by now anyways, but for sure the not having dual sd card slots, I think I will keep my GH5s and wait for the next try!

[@dreamsandvideos]

GH5 owner here. Would turning the IBIS off on the GH5, (M2), GH6..help for car mount shots? Great video btw. Thanks.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

Unfortunately no. The sensor does get locked off when it’s turned off but it’s just held by the magnetic system and can still move with certain movements or vibrations

[@dreamsandvideos]

@@RhettThompsonFilm Damn, thanks for the info. I see a gh4 B cam in the future 😁

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

@@dreamsandvideos haha that’s what I did before I finally got my hands on a GH5s!

[@DaisysWorld192]

Spot on! They had five years to fix the only thing wrong with the GH5 it's AF!

[@guymcloughlin8263]

I agree with most of your items, but the only things that would bug me a little is the no vertical grip. They are adding external SSD USB-C drive recording, so that should take care of media cost and card-durability. And I think you can power the camera with a phone battery-brick, which should take care of long shoot times. ( just hope it doesn't use the USB-C socket or no SSD...)

[@AustrianGeek]

Oh no. I oversaw that the live streaming is missing (in body). Pre-ordered one already also for such use-cases (also for in local network image transfer / previews - to save on wireless HDMI solutions). Never even thought about that it COULD be missing in the GH6 (as its already in the GH5 ii and BGH1 with the even older / slower processors). I really hope that it will come as a firmware update in the future (I would even pay for it). Real bummer. Thx for the video btw.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

A LOT of the things in this video could be resolved with firmware and I think the streaming process will be decent just not on the level of the GH5mkii until they update it.

[@AustrianGeek]

​@@RhettThompsonFilm Yeah. Over the smartphone app would be ok for some occations. But the direct streaming from camera (over ANY access point would be so much nicer and much more "streamlined"). Especially with an unlimited data mobile router and fixed streaming settings (to a stream distributor server for example - So the settings don´t even have to be changed in camera ^^). Lets hope for a lot of future firmware updates.

[@sess5206]

Happy with my GH5.

[@andersistbesser]

I think the live streaming and other things will come with firmware updates. The lack of a camera gripp is a real bummer tough.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

I think much could and will be resolved with firmware but a grip is seeming unlikely. :(

[@ottototofilm]

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@jdavidmusic]

Personally, it seems this video is scraping the bottom of the barrel to come up any reason to dis the GH6. Maybe it's just me... but every single point you made is of no concern to me at all... no dual SD cards? But I can record on SSD soon? GH6 is "bulkier" but it sucks that there is no bulky battery grip for it? Truth be told... people are just butthurt that the GH6 isn't some huge industry shocking set of features. After the general public gets their hands on the camera... we will get more reliable, daily use reviews and accolades. Buy a camera for the features that gives you creative freedom.... and one that fits best in your particular workflow. Not buying a camera because it doesn't have a battery grip available or dual SD card slots? LOL We have truly become a spoiled generation.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

I wont disagree with you. The point of this video IS to point out the few things the other GH series cameras do better than the GH6 but honestly 90% of the the time the GH6 will be much better than any previous camera in that line. Its more to point out these older cameras are still very good despite their age.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

Although I do consider two media slots of the same type boarderline essential for Pro work.

[@jdavidmusic]

@@RhettThompsonFilm Why is that? Why can't they be different media? I mean sure, redundancy is sweet... but if you can add additional higher quality modes without redundancy... and still have redundancy for the quality you have decided is good enough by staying with the GH5... why wouldn't you? Yeah media costs are higher for the Type B cards, but that is the tradeoff for the additional quality. Once SSD recording is added we might see redundancy of the highest quality modes... on quite cheap SSD drives. Ask yourself... if Panasonic released an updated firmware for the G5 that let you connect an SSD and record the same higher modes as the GH6 would you never use it because it wasn't redundant?

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

@@jdavidmusic it just is a head scratcher. As I explained in the video the highest data rates are half reserved for the most important footage, and then the paradox of also not being able to dual record that super high end footage is weird. And yes CDexpress can be used for dual recording in most modes but I don’t have them and even if I did invest in some for the GH6 I surely wouldn’t have the same storage SD cards around so one or the other would run out first. It’s a realistic negative especially consider the price of the camera is actually just the start of your purchases

[@jdavidmusic]

@@RhettThompsonFilm I do agree that it's awkward... but if they had went with dual Type B CFXpress then people would be upset about that. I think the compromise was a good one... Allowing people to use their existing SDCards for the quality they are currently using, but the ability to also record the almost 6k. Again... it's all about your current gear and your workflow/style. I have a BMPCC4k... these two cameras compliment each other so well. The GH6 gives me a set of tools, many I do not have on the 4k... And then there is so much synergy too... recording to SSD, same mount, all my vintage lenses and Sigma 18-35 are interchangeable, adding 120fps 4k, up to 300fps 1080, IBIS, almost 6k, timecode generation, a beautiful pairing. I wanted to go A7SIII... but now I have very similar capabilities but at $2200 and $1300... I have two amazing cameras for the same price as the Sony... and don't have to buy new glass. For me (ymmv) the issues you brought up are inconsequential. For you maybe they are not. But I do sense your disappointment with this release may be contributing to your coverage/content.

[@chevypowertogo-9070]

Rhett is There Anything Missing In The GH5 MKII From The GH5 MKI ? Or in That Case Is It Everything Thats In The GH5 & More Added into The "" GH5 MKII "" ?? Perfect Video BTW..You Have a Funny WAY With WORDS.. :- .. i Myself have Been hearing That TOO All My LIFE L 🙂L Life would be Boring As ALL Fk without the added humor L🙂L

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

Honestly I don’t think so. A few of the profiles have been updated and changed but in terms of features and little things like live cropping and things like that I don’t think so. If anything it just has more stuff like the inclusion of live view composite and the ability to shoot 4K 60 FPS and video at 10bit. Unless you really need some of the high resolutions or high frame rates of the GH6 man the GH5mkii

[@guymcloughlin8263]

🌟 Thinking about the grip, you could add on a "rubber" grip with an embedded shutter release button. No extra power, but you do get a vertical release. I would pay up to $100 for this if it was well made...

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

I have to imagine there’s something that some creative third-party manufacturer will come up with using the USB C potentially but we will see

[@clarke.inverary]

The GH5S is still the best MFT camera of all time thanks to its multi aspect ratio sensor and external RAW 12bit over HDMI

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

Doesn’t the GH6 do prores raw

[@clarke.inverary]

@@RhettThompsonFilm No it does pro-res HQ internally it's not raw though unfortunately.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

@@clarke.inverary external raw tho

[@clarke.inverary]

@@RhettThompsonFilm not comfirm at this time unfortunately we will have to wait for it on a firmware update.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

@@clarke.inverary they confirmed the firmware all but officially but I see your point

[@DLpriv1]

Surely thé GH6 is designed for vidéo note stills. Last summer I've bought a GH5-M2, mostly for Price reasons. Specially because I had to buy 4 lenses and variable ND's compatible With MFT format One Big avantage Gh6 has is its dual ISO capability, which is important for better low light rushs. With its new RAW & ProRes external recording capabilities, I'm intending to switch from my M2 to GH6 within a year... 10 bits 4k at 100 FPS makes a lot of sense to me

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

I need to make a video on this, but the GH5ii is a completely underrated camera and is probably just as good as the GH6 in many ways. If you need 4k60 10 bit, better af and a few other nice upgrades it’s amazing bang for the buck!

[@sutv6754]

Rhett, I turn to you. I cannot find 4K 120 FPS anywhere. Is it possible it's because don't have a CF card. I must admit to you I've had the GH6 for few days now and I'm not loving it yet at all.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

From what I’ve seen it should just be in the normal menu.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

I don’t own the camera but that’s what I’ve seen in reviews and as far as I know it the only thing you really need CF cards for are prores

[@candyartstv]

I don't care what you say. For image quality the GH6 beats the GH5 and GH5s (I have the BGH1). The way it renders skintones is absolutely amazing and side by side none of the other cameras comes close. I was admittedly underwhelmed when it first came out, but I'm now getting another. I recently got a GH5M2 so I'm not being biased.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

Did you have a chance to watch the video?

[@candyartstv]

@@RhettThompsonFilm Yep

[@candyartstv]

For instance the Infinite recording and battery life. A 512gb CFexpress allows for 7 hours of 4k recording. I purchased the GH5M2 for the pd charging as I'd had to go through 4 battery swaps plus the switching out of SD cards for long event work. PD meant I still had a full battery after 7 hours, and maybe 1 bar with a none pd power bank.

[@candyartstv]

@@RhettThompsonFilm As a video shooter Size and weight. - The GH6 feels better in hand. Grip - Hardly used the one I have for the GH5 Locked off sensor - Plenty of youtube car channels use the GH5 Low light - The GH6 though noisier seem to maintain shadow details better Streaming - I purchased the GH5M2 specifically for as some clients require both filming and streaming Battery life I've already mentioned in my other post. What I would love is a GH6 with the BGH1 battery and ND in place of IBIS, something like the C70.

[@chevypowertogo-9070]

YES The GH6 BLOWS...

[@cristianbalate]

...Blackmagick worse camera design ...? :)

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

Their camera bodies are so weird haha I don’t know what they are doing

[@gcprost]

You are missing out if you never shoot ProRes. I have two GH5s and one GH5 ii. I record ProRes on my Atomos recorders and I record a 10 bit internal recording as a back up. The ProRes is incredibly easy to edit and colour grade. The Atomos recorders also record on inexpensive SSDs.

[@sutv6754]

ON the GH5 I'd press the center button when in custom mode 3 and have my 3 presets right there waiting for me to choose. No way or no how can I do that with GH6. When I press the menu set button I have to click for times to get to C so I have then choose one of my customer 4 presets. BS and I'm so frustrated.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

Does it not have the C modes on the dial?

[@sutv6754]

@@RhettThompsonFilm Yes on the the dial I have it on 4 where I have my 3 top custom setting set. Like on my GH5 I want to press the menu button and have the 3 appear and choose what ever I want. But I'll figure something out. The real problem that's making me grow old is how to a get 4K 120. I was under the impression the camera shoots 4K 120 10 bit 422. I can't get 4K 12o even in 420. Do I need a CF card to do that?

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

@@sutv6754 I think the CF express card is only used for ProRes so 4k120 should just be in the main menu items. I don’t have the camera but have you tried switching between MP4 and MOV

[@Random-yz8gb]

I have the gh5 original right now, and I am no professional or anything. Just a 16 year old trying to learn about cameras. Ik the gh5 is alr a awesome start for beginner. But do u recommend upgrading to the gh5 m2 or gh6?

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

Honestly I think the GH5ii is huge bang for your buck. Most of the new features of the GH6 formuch less money they can go To lenses and lighting and things like that. I would check out the conversation that Griffin and I have on my channel and potentially look out for a future video on this topic!

[@videokreatorji]

Oh, oh ;)

[@regenytarmovies]

Yes, but IBIS and image quality is highly better on GH6. Everything else is incidental.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

Is it? What if that pre burst or battery life is the most important thing to someone?

[@regenytarmovies]

@@RhettThompsonFilm You can use as many batteries as you can, and a power bank as well. This is not a real shortcoming. The real shortcoming is what the machine shows in the end product. Everything else is just for convenience.

[@chevypowertogo-9070]

@@RhettThompsonFilm EXACTLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Rhett IS RIGHTTTTT 🙂

[@sutv6754]

Well you may remember I'm a fan of your videos but I'd say on this one you're tripping and a bit nit picky. As you know also.... there no such thing as a perfect all in one camera. That being said my GH6 is coming tomorrow in the mail from BH pre order. So if I'm not moved I'll return it most likely within week. I do love my GH5 so we'll see. No way to tell until I have it here for myself. I've watched every minute of every video. Hundreds and hundreds of minutes I'm sure. I think I know it .....but probably not until I try it on. LOL

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

Same here man, probably watched every review there is on the camera, and lets be honest its a HUGE upgrade if you need it. I just wanted to point out the handful of things that are missing and show off how the older cameras are still good or even great!

[@sutv6754]

@@RhettThompsonFilm That's right and I may very well end up with my GH5 depending.

[@CorvusWolf]

Bla bla bla bla and no examples… 😂😂😂😂😂

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

Get blocked nerd

[@clarke.inverary]

I can't wait for the GH7 the GH6 is not as good as the GH5 in terms of market impact, if they want to wow people they should have added 8k 30-24p and phase detect autofocus.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

Agree to disagree. The GH6 is selling very well, but of course the autofocus will always be a sore spot for Lumix until they find some solution for it. 8k is a gimmick for nearly every possible use case at this point and 6k is even too much for me at the moment.

[@clarke.inverary]

@@RhettThompsonFilm I understand why you feel that way it's only natural for you, however I don't consider 8k to be a gimmick as there are already cameras on the market shooting 12k. 8k video would be excellent for wider lenses for landscape video work. However the Panasonic tried to create a MFT sensors with better Dynamic range only to still fall short in IQ compared to its full Frame counterpart the S5. The C70 has a DGO sensor, however because the C70 is APS-C it can be adapted to fullframe with the canon focal reducer to be used with EF mount lenses. The GH5S crop factor is 1.85 thanks to its larger sensor this allows you to get a crop of 1.2 when using the Metabones speedbooster XL making it an APS-H camera. The point I'm trying to make is the GH6 competes with and is beaten by many of its competition on specs for specs, if it had 8k it would have bought it over the edge and made it a clear winner in something over its competition.

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

@@clarke.inverary hard disagree again. Watch my Gerald undone response video.

[@AlpacoFilms]

@@clarke.inverary There is a distinct difference between APSC and Super-35. C70 is a Super-35 sensor not APSC. C70 succeeds not because it can equal a Full Frame FOV but because its Dynamic Range is fantastic and even outpaces full frame sensors. In your own example of using the C70...the C70 is strictly a 4K camera (it's literally only a 9.6 mp sensor) Same with Arri Alexa. It's not a Full Frame sensor it's a very Dynamic Super-35 sensor. Super-35 is still the standard in filmmaking. The Arri Alexa is a 3.4K and even the Alexa LF is only DCI 4K. I agree that 8K is fantastic for landscape video work and that it's not quite a gimmick. But it'll be a long time before it becomes a standard for filmmakers that shoot shows and films which is the primary aim of this camera. And regarding your point of IQ, all cameras that's been released in the last 5 years have fantastic IQ. I think now what matters more is getting a camera that complements your workflow or works in the grain of your productions workflow. The GH6 gets a lot right for the price. It works VERY well for a lot of productions. Within that price bracket even the Panasonic S5 doesn't beat the GH6. The S5 doesn't shoot ProRes internally so you would HAVE to pickup and external recorder. The S5 also has a record limit and I don't think it has TC. These are things that are in a lot of productions. The GH6 is a mini S1H. Heck, it's kind of a mini C70 with the added functionality of being able to take photos. It can even record 4 channels of audio rather than only 2 when you compare it against the C70 and S1H. You bring up great points for sure! I think what you're looking for is simply NOT in the GH6. I think the Canon R5C is more akin to what you're looking for. Which btw only has 14-stops of claimed DR (literally only 1 stop MORE than the GH6) at $2300 more.

[@andersistbesser]

I missed the part where 8 k is needed if there are no computer acreens to display it.. most people stil, use full hd screens.

[@kennethgooswit9194]

LOT OF BS

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

Which part

[@Joshua_Leonardo_95]

It seems that you have tried to make a sponsorship with Panasonic, you have been rejected, and you have given you a tantrum that is only consisting of attacking them .. because if not so, I really put your knowledge about this field, I have been 2 weeks with the GH6 , and I think it's an authentic wonder, well above the departure price, I advise you for the next complaint of this kind you send an email to the company instead of uploading a public video, so save the ridiculous thing you have done in This time.. For this type of nonsense you will never exceed 1000 sub-clips ..

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

What are you talking about. This video is factual and not even negative toward the GH6. Please watch and pay attention to the video before commenting it’s pretty clear you just saw the title and got mad. They are all great cameras!

[@eddieriosyt]

Watch the video dude... Get the fanboyism out.

[@gcprost]

If you shoot dance competition videos, you have to be ready to shoot 12 hours continuously.

[@gcprost]

I bought the GH5 ii because it had better autofocus than my GH5s. For the kind of work I do, unless the GH6 was significantly better in autofocus, I’m not buying it.