10 Worst Tropes in Fantasy Genre Fiction

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The fantasy genre is a mess! Well, sort of... While my favorite genre is fantasy, I believe just because I love a genre…doesn’t mean I think it’s flawless. So, I’m breaking down the top ten fantasy tropes I absolutely despise. We’re including the useless teenage chosen one, emotionally unavailable heroes, non-existent people of color, and more. These are DEFINITELY some tropes to avoid in your fantasy novel, because they’ll probably leave your readers screaming as they flee in the other direction. The last trope is one I’ve found all over the place, and I demand to know what the f*ck is going on! 👀
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[@satellitestargazer2770]

You forgot.... Villan: You and I are not that different... Hero: I aM nOThiNG liKE yOU!!!

[@absolutelynobody8833]

SatelliteStargazer Harry Potter and other stories in a nutshell

[@taylorgage5684]

SatelliteStargazer yah heard this about a thousand times

[@MegaToonzNetwork]

@@taylorgage5684: You see, you and I are not so different! Spiderman: I'm nothing like you. You ate my chicken wings.

[@mylacoleman8464]

I mean yeah but clearly it doesn’t matter, otherwise we wouldn’t be enemies

[@al-qw4pl]

Narrator: The dipshits were in fact alike

[@lockematthews6049]

"The key was inside you you this whole time" the priest said sharpening a knife, " too bad it was you soul."

[@Ash-pp3fm]

*casually puts this idea in my mental folder to eventually come upon and steal that shit*

[@lockematthews6049]

@@Ash-pp3fm lol if if fits and you need to sacrifice someone then make it glorious!

[@Ash-pp3fm]

@@lockematthews6049 i could probably just make it the heart and just get that fucker ripped out of someones chest because who doesnt need a bloody battle where hearts are being ripped put of chests

[@bookishwriter9460]

Man, now I really want to read that book.

[@al-qw4pl]

I am awake

[@elizacody9409]

"the key was inside you all along" "You mean all of my friends and family died for nothing!?" "It was all to teach you the meaning of-" *Can't continue due to being stabbed by the mc*

[@toastersailor]

Then MC get they’re arm cut in half later on, and a key drops out of the bleeding arm “...oh god how is this inside of me?”

[@jeramahia123]

Imagine a world where every hero's tragic backstory (parents dying/village being destroyed by villains) was actually deliberately done by the "good guys" to motivate the character into becoming the key.

[@orviniko]

@@jeramahia123 write a book

[@The-ix5tb]

Plot twist: the key was inside of the mc's stomach

[@user-zw5yf2cy2v]

In my book, the mc finds out the person he was looking for for three years was his friend for a couple of months, and as soon as he figures that out his friend is killed by the villains, who are really powerful people, and the only reason the mc defeated them was because he was so mad he just wiped them off the face of the planet. Is this ok or is it an overused thing?

[@gronklevlonkle1717]

I want a book where the main protaginist tries to find the key of whatnot, someone tells them they are the key, and it turns out that they are literally, secretly a giant sentient key

[@ann-margretparke9525]

Have you never watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer? Her sister was a key. Yes, really.

[@rachele.3229]

@@ann-margretparke9525 explain

[@crowthewicked8344]

@@ann-margretparke9525 Still waiting...

[@firenze6478]

Well the main character in my book is kind of the villain, and it swaps perspectives in the second book

[@Hazyla]

Gronkle Vlonkle YES

[@Marco_Onyxheart]

My eyes are beautiful aquamarine marbles. It was a dumb idea to put those into my eye sockets...

[@sonofthewolfguardianofthef1214]

Marco Meijer you have marbles in your eye sockets how do you see!

[@the_katzy]

*LARGE OOF*

[@HetaliaGirl1]

Marbles? I thought they were orbs XD

[@truboo4268]

@@HetaliaGirl1 Orbees

[@GlareanLiebertine]

But at the time, prior to later reflection, it did seem like a good idea to plug those into my empty eye sockets to lessen the impact of mine baleful, eyeless gaze on the commoners. Though I wish I had a way of removing them without destroying my eye sockets further. Those nobles back home seemed especially disturbed by my ability to see perfectly well with an eyeless glare.

[@lefthandersrule9419]

"I'm the key?? But why?" "rEaSoNs"

[@warlynx5644]

Now I want to see that played with... “Ok, so, I’ve cleared an entire dungeon full of murderous demons, had to murder a dragon with my bare hand after my other one was cleaved in two, nearly blacked out from the pain of summoning another, and had to walk across an entire continent that’s in the middle of a second Grand War, So this key, where are you hiding it?” “I am not hiding it, it has been inside you all along.” “.......ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?!?!” “*Hysterical Laughters* My Gods no! Could you imagine, after everything you went through and that’s what I give you? Forget being labeled the worst prophet in this entire world, Hirama would probably just drag me all the way down to the Undergrowth and have me suffer for thousands of years.” “Thousand? I think million would be more appropriate.”

[@ahnifollett]

"Fairy the crap outta your book!" Done and done, all my characters are now gay!

[@KossolaxtheForesworn]

still not as gay as j.k.rowling is gonna make them..

[@darlalathan6143]

Due to LGBT rights reforms from the '60s to present, "fairy" has now returned to its former folklore meaning: nature spirits resembling miniature people.

[@mimsilvernote]

Bisexual Witch Ahni That was genius

[@ace_of_cups4096]

WHY DID I LAUGH SO HARD!?!?!? XD

[@GunnyStilgar]

Do they wear boots? I have it on good authority they wear boots.

[@kayden9769]

I have brown eyes so thank you for advocating for my rights :)

[@thecakegarden5324]

Can I have points for my book's love interest having brown eyes?

[@antiochus87]

Surely most authors should have brown eyes, why are they so underrepresented then? Or do only blue, green and purple-eyed people write fantasy?

[@ILuvMoogles]

@@thecakegarden5324 My book also has a mc/love interest (its dual pov) with brown eyes. I love brown eyes personally, both the way they can blend into the pupil if dark, and especially the way some glow with a reddish brown tint when the sun hits them just right.

[@thecakegarden5324]

@@ILuvMoogles Brown eyes represent

[@physe8052]

Not in my Vorin internet you don't!

[@rivkamaria6555]

Not a fantasy Protagonist if they're not focused on someone's high cheekbones at all time.

[@seldomstudios6351]

But what about the =boobies= .... I mean.... the chest area?

[@iii8410]

Dingleberries.. Arian Gignlesaz’s cheekbones.. They were on _fleek_

[@IceRiver1020]

Cheekbones are overrated.

[@korneliahaag4258]

#benedict cumberbatchs cheeckbones sharper than my kitchen knife

[@OctoBoy.]

Pffffff-

[@LeeAnneRMT]

For me it's the "we knew you were Chosen and would have a Dangerous Life so we decided to keep you totally ignorant and untrained so you could have a childhood." Trope.

[@anothercub6958]

Not completely guilty of this one, but I'm gonna count that my MC's parents hid that he was a fucking Prince to avoid getting people who want to kill him... even thought said MC has already done things that warrants others wanting him dead.. . -_-

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Huh? What's wrong with letting someone have a normal childhood????

[@anothercub6958]

DrawciaGleam02 The fact that in those types of books, letting the character have a normal childhood leaves them ignorant and vulnerable to the shit that their parents/guardians hide from them. And said shit is very likely to kill the kid and they were probably better off knowing about their secret because their parents/guardians die before the kid gets to know, ultimately defeating the purpose of hiding the secret and training their kid just as their life was getting started.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Okay, I see that. And I guess that having to go through all that training can SOMETIMES prevent the kid from acting selfish/ spoiled. In other words, they aren't as likely to blatantly disregard the rules set in place to protect them from said dangers.

[@anothercub6958]

DrawciaGleam02 You forget the threat the they're being protected from. Like, they could just confront the kid in one of their safe zones. Cuz evil always finds those characters no matter how well they're protected. Whether they follow the rules or not. Examples, the Lorian series.

[@cheesecakelasagna]

_Rose tinted cheeks, dirt-coloured eyes._

[@i.s.9451]

Great descriptions of brown eyes: "Caramel candies", "melted chocolate swirls", "warm as a cup of coffee in the morning", "the likeness of afternoon tea", "in the shadows: endless galaxies; but in light fertile grounds kissed by the sun", "Trees in the depths of a winter's snow", "Reflective as a royal's mahogany table", "Farmlands envy the richness in who's eyes reflect a field fit of planting", (or my favorite quote) "My eyes are a poop brown," -Lin Manuel Miranda. btw: I have brown eyes.

[@i.s.9451]

@Ad Lockhorst That kind of sounds as if her eyes are pink or red. But sure.

[@jordyn.24]

eleora I.S. I saw the first few words of this comment and screenshotted immediately. This feels like some sort of sacred, holy grail i wasn’t supposed to stumble onto because of how rare descriptions of brown eyes are. Thank you so much.

[@cheesecakelasagna]

A year after I commented this, I feel like I need to clarify, my friends. This is actually lyric from *"See You Again"* by *Tyler, The Creator.* It's from his album *Flower Boy* which has a lot of great similes and metaphors pertaining to nature. I highly suggest you check his stuff out. He's quite an unconventional lyricist. Great stuff.

[@JeffPenaify]

@@i.s.9451 "shined like beer bottles in the fading sunlight"

[@ahumanperson8192]

Person: You are the key Hero: *Frantically starts trying to shove his fingers into the lock*

[@Mar-hq9bm]

So damn underrated 💀💀💀

[@renalin6864]

And it fits

[@himanshubhushandubey6446]

Person: The key was inside you all along. *Proceeds to look for something in their satchel(which I assume they have coz I love me some satchels in my fantasy plots)*. MC: *Frantically shoving and twisting his fingers into the lock* Person: *Finds a scroll* Yeah so you just need to make this hand symbol real quick and that shou-- MC: *Finger breaks with loud crack. Cries out in agony* Person: ......Oh shi- (Then they get wiped out by the Big Bad)

[@peacefulinvasion684]

"The key was inside you all along. Now then, I hope you're ready to get your stomach pumped."

[@foxyfoxier1817]

@@Mar-hq9bm yes

[@defunctroses1644]

Random side character: The key was inside you all along. Hero: Procedes to have a mantal break down.

[@alicehoade2977]

I'd havena mental breakdown too

[@sanderssides7390]

@Random Songs In Locrian LMAO I-

[@kyriss12]

hero; goes into bathroom with a bottle of laxative and a good book.

[@yeehaw4043]

"Why are we still here, just to suffer"

[@cici6495]

Proceeds to shove his -- into the lock Sorry

[@ianbyrne465]

Here's an idea. The prophecy says that the kid will become the chosen one. So, from the moment of birth, the chosen kid is brought up and forward as a prophet and a savior, always being trained and hearing he's special. This leads to some sense of narcissism and self-righteousness. (Could also lead to jingoism, racism, etc. Basically, use the prophecy to explain why he starts going off the rails.) So, the chosen one essentially gets fueled by this self-belief and becomes the antagonist of the story.

[@BlackCover95]

Mrytle Romilly See the _Star Wars_ prequel trilogy.

[@BlackCover95]

Mrytle Romilly I was just trying to contribute.

[@Toxin-fx2jn]

Akechi

[@christinalim2320]

Ian Byrne soo... Anakin Skywalker????

[@urdadsleftasshole69]

My story is pretty similar, but simlutaneously the opposite. The mc, Eyeris, gets bullied out of jealousy. That, combined with being brought up in a bad home environment, stradles her with horrible bpd. In the end, since she feels responsible for everything and refuses to give up, it slowly eats her up until her chosen power destroys her from the inside. Yeah, it's edgy. Sorry.

[@ComCommie]

WHY CAN'T I WRITE ABOUT MY FERRIES! HOW ELSE WOULD PEOPLE GET ACROSS WATER

[@esyone3394]

Ride sea horses.

[@jeremiahbooth423]

@Death Omen or be Moses

[@sophistanonym1703]

Dinosaur helicopter.

[@emmakim6163]

Boats or bridges

[@silliussoddus1449]

Tolkien did it.

[@m.j.1470]

Side character: "The key was inside you all along." Hero: *walks away* Side character: "Wait? Where are you going?" Hero: "I'm off to dig a hole and find a bush with a lot of leaves."

[@StuartHerrington]

Your brown eyes lit up with rage when you started your point about brown eyes 😂

[@jessicalyons6577]

“Diversity in a novel sounds very unlikely and unrealistic” *continues to write about dragons talking to elves and faeries bringing the dead back to life*

[@Kaastengels]

I always believe that faes and elves are earthen spirit from what I conclude and they naturally can communicate with what's on the under so it's valid to have necromancer faes! :D Like Kitsune from Japanese folklores are alluded with fairies and they often cohabitate with ghosts, living around tomb and all

[@neghiethervil5606]

😂

[@robokill387]

All of those things are from European folklore and were seriously believed in in the past.

[@elizacody9409]

Sign me the fuck up

[@gamer1X12]

@Harmony Alexandria Cultural and racial mingling has appeared *many* times in history, so what you said is a blatant lie. But even if it wasn't, Alexandria, it's *fantasy* . The entire point is to indulge in the pleasure of imagining things you know will never be true. If people in your book can shoot fire from their fingertips and fly on brooms, they can intermingle with colored folk -_-. Like Jenna said, the "realism" ship sailed as soon as you decided it was fantasy.

[@sarahcordle3005]

The problem I have is when a world seems super cool, but the author decides to focus on the stupid relationship that has the depth of a teaspoon.

[@BlackCover95]

☝️Most relevant thing said here.

[@levi320]

"Every fantasy creature you can think of has now gotten a sexy, but supremely disfunctional twist " *cough* anime *cough*

[@lolimsooedgy7809]

lol

[@nykolostark]

I watch a lot of anime, but even I have to agree they oversexualize every fantasy creature and even some real-life animals in some cases. XD

[@lolimsooedgy7809]

@@nykolostark you havent seen seton academy but tgey dont fully sexualize them not all

[@nykolostark]

@@lolimsooedgy7809 I don't mean ALL anime does it, I have seen some anime that were fairly tame. But there is quite a lot of anime series out there that tend to be so.

[@mgsgamer8340]

Uhm, I de sexualized them so I can get the mighty virginity woman to smite those who have sex for pleasure.

[@PeanutButterZombie00]

I hear you but, on the flip side, a writer could take any of these weaker tropes and turn them on their heads. For example, that "you were the key this whole time" bullshit...let's say our protagonist has been suffering a lot on his journey to find this key. Everyone around him keeps dying, he's nearly died himself more than a couple times, and he's starting to wear down. By the end of his quest, he's tired, he's discouraged, he's grieving, and he's wondering how all of this could possibly be worth it. Then, the mystical priest or whomever, tells him, "you were the thing you've been seeking this entire time. Sorry all your loved ones are dead." The protagonist then proceeds to kill the priest, everyone in the temple, and even takes out a small village for good measure. When we meet him again in the second book, he's pretty much the villain. With magical key powers. Everybody's screwed. Enter new hero, who may or may not be connected to the former hero in some way. It's not perfect, but if people want to use abused tropes, they need to utilize twists and a little more creativity to keep them interesting.

[@l33lzonwh33lz]

Exactly! THAT'S a really good twist!

[@user-lg7gx9vt5m]

So... I'm off to use this.

[@Carbon2861996]

Or maybe the key dude is a leader of a group. When the leader decides the journey is too tough and not worth it, his group reveals to him he's the key himself. Mr. Key calls bullsh!t and orders to go home but his followers restrain him and force him to lead on.

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

I don't think she means that every use of the trope is bad, just when they're used uncreatively.

[@Carbon2861996]

The little red haired girl from across the street is right (sweet name, kid). You basically can't not write without using tropes but you can write without using cliché tropes or just bad ideas.

[@deerboi3685]

7:07 . . . . . . “Where’s the key.” She demanded, pressing her foot onto his chest, pinning him securely to the ground. The nymph’s eyes widened, his hands instinctively flying to her ankle. He sputtered for a few seconds, his words refusing to leave his mouth in a cohesive fashion. She rolled her eyes, effortlessly swinging her blade to rest near his neck. “You!” He gasped, his eyes wide as his legs struggled to slide his body along the floor in a panic. She looked away from him, eyebrows drawing together. His breath caught in the silence; he was nervous to break her thoughtful quiet lest she plunge her rapier into his jugular. *”What?”* She spat, pressing the tip of the blade so that it touched his skin, almost piercing it. “You’re the key,” he said in a sigh, looking up at her with truth and fear in his eyes. “It’s locked in your magic. After he killed your father and attempted at your life, his magic is ingrained in yours. You can walk straight through his barriers, always could have.” His words were met with her stony glare, as she pressed her weight deeper into his chest. He let out an almost inaudible whimper, his grip around her ankle tightening instinctually. *”So what you’re saying,”* she hissed, sliding the tip of her blade down his throat, resting just in front of her toes and right above his heart, “is that my *friends* died for nothing?” “No, no I didn’t mean that-“ his nerves revived his stutter as his breath quickened. He swallowed dryly, daring to look at the intimidating blade resting just above his life, ready to take it away from him in a single shift of the woman’s weight. “Then tell me, what was their sacrifice for? Why are they *gone* when we’ve had our prize all along?!” Her voice was menacingly low, and her free hand was clenched at her waist, fingernails leaving crescent marks along her bloodstained palm. “I...” the nymph started, his words failing him. He let out a shuddered sigh and let his head fall to the thick dust below him, a thick cloud of desaturated brown coating his pale skin and hair. He clamped his eyes shut, knowing there wasn’t any hope fighting against someone so broken and desperate, someone who had lost their moral compass on their journey. “Someone has to pay for their losses,” she whispered, her eyes locked on his features, “and you’re the one who happens to be at my mercy.” It happened faster than he would’ve liked, the thin blade quickly sinking into his thin skin. He swore under his breath, face contorting in pain. This wasn’t his fault, he knew it wasn’t. He’d died for an unjust cause, he knew his Gods would never let him into the afterlife now. “May he take mercy on your soul,” he choked, his legs trying to reach themselves to his chest to no avail, “he is the God of your fate, and he may take your justice away as quickly as you have taken mine.” Her eyes widened in realisation. His people, they relied on a truthful death to lead them to the afterlife. She had damned him. Oof I was inspired If its bAd thats because its a yOuTUbE coMMenT

[@Captainmilf]

Bad??!!!?? This was fucking awsome!

[@cheshiregamez303]

That’s some good shit right there

[@n.h9589]

MMMMMHMMMMMMM THAT'S SOME GOOD SHIT! GOOD SHIT RIGHT THERE! RIIIIIIIIGHT THEEEEEEERE! GOOD SHIT!

[@eosofspades_357]

That was FUCKING AWESOME

[@michaellight6981]

Is good.

[@CaitCher]

Mostly an anime problem but.......THE POWER OF LOVE AND FRIENDSHIP!!!!!!!

[@andromedasignage]

THIS IS EVERYWHERE!! I BEG THE CREATORS TO STOP! HAVE MERCYYYYY!!

[@kbear6797]

I HAVE THE POWER OF GOD AND ANIME ON MY SIDE AAAHAHHHHHHHHH

[@iclynnx]

..... Haha, Miraculous Ladybug in a nutshell. Except in the Chat Blanc episode... There, not even their love was enough to stop the villian.

[@iclynnx]

I mean, I know Miraculous is not an anime but it was supposed to be once, before they changed it to 3D.

[@hellothere2464]

Icy Fleckz that episode ruined me but it’s fine I’m fine

[@frm2686]

I get the feeling that you read A Court of Thorns and Roses and it ruined your life, cause you keep making references in your videos of how much you hate it.

[@akashijamoka]

A Court of Thorns and Roses was... alright. Too bad I hated the second guy. Luckily I found out that he would get the girl eventually, so I didn't waste my money on A Court of Mist and Fury.

[@Persephone01]

I tried and DNF it after a couple of chapters, what is up with the author and romance??

[@EvolverForU]

Read all three books and loved it. I was 13 and had no concept of shitty romances and little diversity in a book with 20+ characters.

[@odanemcdonald9874]

Yeah cuz these are all except one in Thorns & Roses

[@BooksToAshes]

@@EvolverForU It's my favourite series of all time. The first book was just okay, the second is my favourite book of all time. The huge emphasis on mental health that SJM writes in book 2 and beyond really hit home for me so it means a lot to me.

[@EileenNestman]

I see Jenna, I see fantasy, I click.

[@JennaMoreci]

yesssss!

[@kmk1225]

Ikr

[@Fearsia]

Eileen Nestman me

[@Kryptonian42042]

I see Jenna, I click

[@eel000]

i thought that said “I dick”

[@SKULLSMVSH]

I swear, Jenna always finds some way to impress me. If it's not her opinions, it's her jokes. 😂

[@JennaMoreci]

awww thank you!!!

[@riannahpena6427]

Same. Preach the truth!

[@the_katzy]

*And it's definitely not most of her opinions.*

[@snakewithapen5489]

The eye thing is seriously true! XD I remember reading a book where the heroine referred to her love interest's eyes (which were brown) as the color of warm coffee, or strong tea in the evening. But that's the only instance I can think of, and more often I read things where people have green eyes and grey eyes, despite those being genetically uncommon. There are tons of ways to romanticize brown eyes! Always great content :)

[@synflwr]

I want to read about brown eyes. Basically everyone where I’m from has blue eyes, I’m bored of them.

[@ofsomeimportance]

Brown eye description example: “Her brown eyes twinkled like a diamond in the rough.”

[@sonalsanjanwala7211]

Let's just ditch similes all together

[@i.s.9451]

Great descriptions of brown eyes: "Caramel candies", "melted chocolate swirls", "warm as a cup of coffee in the morning", "the likeness of afternoon tea", "in the shadows: endless galaxies; but in light fertile grounds kissed by the sun", "Trees in the depths of a winter's snow", "Reflective as a royal's mahogany table", "Farmlands envy the richness in who's eyes reflect a field fit of planting", (or my favorite quote) "My eyes are a poop brown," -Lin Manuel Miranda. btw: I have brown eyes.

[@snekboop9687]

can can I use this

[@i.s.9451]

@@snekboop9687 It hasn't been copy righted yet.

[@tomoliver2112]

1. Diamonds aren’t brown. 2. “Diamond in the rough” is a cliche.

[@timbuktu8069]

5:16 "Vampires aren't fantasy creatures" You must live in a very interesting reality.

[@minimoYT]

Vampires aren't creatures from the fantasy genre, but from Gothic Horror, that's what she meant

[@timbuktu8069]

That's for the classic Bram Stoker style vampire. But vampires have always been a staple of fantasy fiction. Unless she is giving a very restricted definition of "fantasy" fantasy for me ranges from The Arabian Nights to Conan the Barbarian to King Arthur to The Lord of the Rings and beyond.

[@jacket6213]

Even Tolkien had werewolves and vampires in middle-earth.

[@atmo-sphere6799]

@@timbuktu8069 Vampire are a term for anything that feeds on blood. Fantasy does has it but its not originally from there

[@wolfmatic399]

@@atmo-sphere6799 it's originally from folklore. Which is fantasy's source so...

[@Altrantis]

Why are ALL fantasy protagonists 16!? WHY!?

[@DrawciaGleam02]

To make them relatable to teens who read the book.

[@naomiklijs5912]

Mine is 17 almost 18 hehe Because it creates -although not often used- a opportunity to develop that caracter.

[@afonsovieira1121]

Mine are around 20, they in college. Then sex scenes wont make you say "ew"

[@legionairesunny5507]

Because they are fun to write and relatable? (Glances as my WIP)

[@willemverheij3412]

Mine is twenty, didn't want to make her too young since she is studying magic but I still want to give her plenty of room to learn life experiences and develop. She will get older in later books.

[@elbraddock7711]

As a woc, can confirm. my bloodline came into existence as a result of Watergate.

[@kayseenick8146]

Aye same 😂

[@JOHNMARTIN-zm6zz]

"imagine reading an entire book, only to find out that all that suffering and death could have been avoided" To heck with fantasy, Thats every world history book ever.

[@BlackCover95]

Just because it could be avoided, doesn’t mean the story was worse for having it. Characters not making the best decisions have been a part of our greatest stories. They are the cows from which we milk our drama.

[@glazeliights7025]

As a brown eyed person, I strongly agree

[@cherry-kr9tj]

As a blue eyed person, I agree too

[@cheyennemurphy8600]

Someone finally understands my frustration with the lack of brown eyes used in stories.

[@greatgallade]

CheyenneThe Unicorn brown eyes? I'm mad no one writes about blue skinned people

[@cheyennemurphy8600]

Dark Lol

[@sneklady9315]

CheyenneThe Unicorn screw brown eyes, I want to see amber eyes! It’s always blue eyes and green eyes and hazel eyes, but I have yet to see the beautiful mix of grey and yellow on a main character.

[@camronmartin6542]

Every fantasy writer in the world - “write your own damn book.”

[@ladydiamond6261]

Yeah you should.

[@TheCrimsonElite666]

"Put Tolkien's work down, you should know better."

[@opalsandwhiteroses]

"There are green eyes that look like emeralds... There are green eyes that look like baby poop." OMG, I died 😂😂

[@melo13melo]

My biggest issue with a lot of the fantasy I see in books and movies now-a-days is it all seems like bad rip offs of Lord of the Rings. The reason Tolkien was successful is because he heavily researched myth and lore, removed all the lame bits and put his own spin on the genre. Most people writing fantasy aren't adding anything new to make their books interesting and unique.

[@92RKID]

Melo Agreed! I read a juvenile biography of him and it was good. I get why The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings is so popular. He did it like a boss.

[@92RKID]

Kat Yes, good point. I started to write a fantasy book but am still in the world building stage. World building is both time consuming and worth while when enough and good research is done with proper care and thought. Tolkien has certainly set a good bar for that. I expect the majority of the problem is that a lot of people are too lazy to do the mental work involved with doing that sort of writing. This only my opinion however, so don't skewer me for it.

[@GuiSmith]

Melo Tolkien did a hell of a lot of world building. He made the series almost as a justification for his obsession with making a world, its people, and especially their languages. He made way more than needed for the books, but it all went into a great lore. People can piggyback off it’s success for a fantastical story, sure, but then cutting and pasting or pretty much photoshopping already existing material is just begging for trouble.

[@Darek_B52]

I'm not going to lie but I have a bad joke in my book that is also a respectful nod to Tolkien. The currency of the world isn't known as tokens but instead Tolkiens.

[@manicpixiefangirl4189]

Darek Baird I’d buy that. 😉

[@TheRachaelLefler]

I guess since brown eyes are so common authors often have issues making them appear special. It's like writing about a man of average height to short. Female readers won't fawn over that. But what I'm sick of are eye color and hair color stereotypes in fantasy. This is perfectly illustrated in Wheel of Time; Elayne's blue eyes are a symbol of her royalness, femininity, and innocence, Aviendha has green eyes and red hair because she's a fiery warrior chick, and Min has brown eyes and brown hair because she's a nerd. I want more books with bookish blondes or fiesty brunettes. AND, it's not always either green/red, blue/blond, or brown/brunette.

[@NoahNelson-Smith]

Rachael Lefler Min is hardly a nerd is she?

[@the_katzy]

My protagonist has green eyes because I have green eyes, and I just like green eyes ._.

[@Carmen-kz4op]

Steampunk there is nothing wrong with green eyes, it just gets annoying when every single character with green eyes also has red hair.

[@the_katzy]

@@Carmen-kz4op Good thing most of my green-eyed characters have brown hair, or on occasion, black.

[@jennali9800]

"bookish blonds" - you might be looking for annabeth chase?

[@OffbeatWorlds]

I totally agree with you on all of these, especially the lack of brown eyes. I'm an artist, and brown eyes are actually one of my favorite colors to paint. If they're lit right they almost look like fire, they're so gorgeous!

[@thatcatholicgirl5675]

I’m brown-eyed, and I’ve been needing some brown eye love! Thank you!!!

[@donutts3179]

It’s funny because she’s like : Fairies Me: she’s about to destroy my whole career Her: i love demonic fairies Me: oh so the fact my fairies are worshipers of the goddess of night and eternal suffering is Jenna Moreci approved, cool

[@mikaelvirji5807]

Love that for you dude.

[@puneetpanda]

My friend told me to read tigers curse. I’m Indian and the fact that a white girl got chosen for an Indian curse really ticked me off not to mention referring to anything in India was not described. Ugh I quit reading like in to a 1/4 of the book...

[@sabrinamuthyala5387]

Puneet mander I’m Indian too, and if you wanted to read more books with South Asian representation, Sabaa Tahir’s An Ember in the Ashes series provides a pretty great outlook and gives me the representation I’ve been looking for 🙂

[@Kaastengels]

There's this new adult kungfu fantasy or some sort where the setting is pretty much around chinese folklore but The Choosen One™ is a 30yo self insert white author smh

[@BeijingNoodle]

I’ve seen books with all most all of these tropes. I wanted to die

[@BeijingNoodle]

On an added note I just edited a book for a friend where the vampires were all female and wanted nothing but sex, nymphs also only wanted sex and the harpies were all naked sexy bitches with huge tits and feathers. I cringed. I cringed so hard

[@JennaMoreci]

same

[@taylor4651]

I would’ve just stopped and be like, “sweetie... sweetie.. no.”

[@TimRG]

I think people need to start flipping tropes.

[@strawberrybunny.2983]

I'm actually working on a novel where the main vamp is a bonafied jackass for a reason and most of his wives ( yes Wives as in more then one) are trying to actually kill him X"D

[@Erisonii]

How about this concept as a twist on the whole "You were the key all along!" thing: Someone tells the protagonist or one of their closest comrades this fact, and while it seems set up to be that generic symbolism again, it turns out that, no, they literally ARE the key, or the key was literally inside of them as a part of their body they'll die without. Thoughts? Also, thank you for throwing brown eyes some love. I have them, and they never get the nice references other colors do. Edit: Flipped through some other comments and realized at least one other person had a similar idea. Oops.

[@jeremiahbooth423]

Lol I was thinking about doing something similar in my work in progress as a funny way to make fun of the trope. So my main cast spends a good half of the book trying to find an orb that can defeat the main antagonist and one of my co main protagonists gets it but it gets mixed up during a fight and then they get separated. Later, that character ends up with one of the side villains and she's wondering where the orb is and I want the conversation to go something like this: "The Orb? Hehehe... don't you see? It was inside you the whole time." "WHAT?!" "Two hours! It was inside you the whole time." "You mean to tell me almost everyone I've ever known died for nothing?! This is so stupid!!" "No! It was literally inside you. I took an x ray and found it in your stomach. You swallowed it. Now I have to perform surgery to get it out, you fatass!"

[@anarchomando7707]

@@jeremiahbooth423 Can't I get out the way less painful Well I'm not waiting another week for this damn thing when it's damn war that also looks like crap so you better suck it up

[@kassandraofodyssey6475]

Here's a better twist. The main protagonist ends up cutting themselves open and grabs the key out of wherever it is located, and the main antagonist wins.

[@judgmentalanimal]

Oh I hate this! “I am a guy who looks SO NORMAL and I’m a normal dude who does normal things but Uh Oh, my village is in danger and I need to save the world which automatically makes a ton of women of all different species and races want to get into my pants!” HECK EVEN I’M GUILTY OF THAT BUT AT LEAST I MADE SURE TO MAKE MY MAIN CHARACTER BE CALLED BEAUTIFUL BY MORE PEOPLE THAN JUST THE WOMEN

[@heroofthewinds7765]

Actually, my MC is kinda like that but I decided to exclude any romance from my story to make a point that not every story needs a romantic subplot

[@AndromedaKai]

Sci fi Jenna, talk more about soft sci fi, I need your sage guidance!

[@russellewelchiii]

This we need

[@danielaluna6220]

Please!

[@tangurplemerclain1868]

I'd love to see her rip apart the Virtual Reality stories out there

[@emiliabaran6830]

Tangurple Merclain I have a story like this planned 😂.

[@TheJarric]

try shadowrun

[@primrosett]

I feel you about the brown eyes thing, Jenna, and I don't even have them myself. The main character of my book has brown eyes because of it.

[@cheyennemurphy8600]

Emilie I can honestly say thank you for that. Good luck with your book.

[@strawberrybunny.2983]

Welp , The main characters of my two novels have green eyes and blue ( Though for symbolic reasons) but major characters in both of my book ideas have brown/ black eyes lol

[@jacyfaraldo6424]

Thank You! Brown eyes and brown hair are the most common combination of features ever, but you always feel super ordinary because none of your fantasy crushes have them! Or is that just me?

[@franziska9260]

Jacy Faraldo Nope, it's not just you. I have brown hair and brown eyes.

[@gotdropkicked]

So do I!

[@LoneGamerNerd]

The whole "key inside you" thing really is very frustrating and like a slap in the face to the reader. Sadly, some games are guilty of this too. So you experience the whole tale just for the climax to tell you that you, basically, went through all of that for nothing. Real nice...

[@jackyniu5194]

5:20 Dream Work definitely made Shrek WAY too hot, I call fan service!

[@nameerfolgreichgeandert2131]

What I really don't like about the fantasy genre is that the worldbuilding seems to be limited to medieval european worlds with tolkien races. Seriously? You can literally create ANY kind of world yet it's always the same? WHY???

[@raven3moon]

Extreme laziness?

[@RianeBane]

Why? Because not everybody is very creative...not even everybody who creates for a living. It's hard to create something so fantastical that it is utterly unfamiliar, because we mostly must draw on our experiences in the world for inspiration. That's why tropes become tropes: because lots of people had experiences (not necessarily personal - it could be knowing a person who has X personality flaw, or reading a book where X happens...) that can be modified and shaped into that particular element. In other words, writers like that world. It's familiar to them. Their childhood favorite stories took place in that world. They don't seek out books that take place in different worlds. It's not a bad thing - everybody has different things they like to read and talk about, and writers themselves are no different - after all, why should a writer write something they don't want to write about? If a reader wants to read a certain kind of story they can't find, then they don't get to just complain that authors don't write about it. A reader can either A) write the story they want to read, or B) look a little harder. There are plenty of fantasy stories out there that take place outside of the Tolkien-Europe-style world, but the Tolkien-Europe world has been popular for such a long time, especially in the English-speaking world, that it is synonymous with the fantasy genre, which leads it to become even more popular, and become even more synonymous with fantasy. If you want to see something else, try your hand at writing it. Or branch out in your own reading. Look for a modern-fantasy book. Find an English translation of a Japanese martial-fantasy novel. Find some space fantasy. There's a lot out there, if you ignore the default and familiar.

[@MissCaraMint]

RianeBane ghost bride is the book you guys are looking for.

[@howareyoumoreofaclownthanme]

Japan and China were filled to the brim with all sorts of magical monstrosities, but oh no. We can't have a badass Qilin or the Hone-onna or the Jiang-shi or literally any facet of fascinating Eastern mythology- let's have dragons.

[@powwer_orb4635]

Well what's most self explanatory to the average English reader? The Dragons of the mythologies they've grown up with and all the legends of the west with names they can phonetically pronounce, or some weird looking Yokai from japan who don't really make sense to a westerner or have the legendary legacies of vampires, dragons, undead and orc hordes? If you have to explain the monsters of your story to the reader then it's wasted space in the book on explanations and descriptions.

[@veronika4870]

"because the main character is a stupid giant key!" XD

[@thisissarcasm9579]

Says the word 'fairies'; Only thing in my head: "Hey, Listen, hey, Listen Hey LiStEn!"

[@windangel7720]

I was just dealing with eye coloring in my current story, and was realizing just such a thing about eye color. Even in romance novels, brown eyes are rarely used, the closest thing is black. Even though there are no such things as actually black eyes, they are dark brown, for some reason, brown eyes are considered unromantic. Personally, I love a set of dark, dreamy brown eyes as much as glittering sapphire blue orbs. I've come to the conclusion that the only color eyes my female protagonist could have is brown, no other eye color is working for her- I don't want her to have the stylish coloring of the time period (the typical blue eyed blond), she's a brown eyed brunette. As for him, I don't know- it keeps coming back to blue- great, says I to myself, I'm writing yet another guy with black hair and blue eyes, just like my last big crush who I'm still getting over. Maybe hazel would be a better choice for him, now that you mention it.

[@cucaulwell1287]

---obligatory comments section fic--- "Stop with your riddles, old man!" Gareth shouted. Marie winced. This wasn't going to be pretty. "Tell me how to stop Xearethon or so help me--" "Alright, alright, calm yourself. Warriors these days, always so hasty... You will learn in good time..." "Good time?" His voice was dangerously low. The Sage didn't seem to notice. "I have spent years of my life searching for a way to stop his evil, _years_ trawling the myths and folktales for some whisper of where the Eminent Sage could be found. For where an answer could be found. And now some old fart tells me "in good time". No time is good, not while Xearethon still breathes." Gareth drew his sword. Marie grimaced, but loosened her own blade in its sheath. If it came to a fight against the Sage... "Nonsense, dear boy, nonsense. I don't hold the answer!" A subtle tensing of muscles. "What?" "You do!" The rotund little man laid a wrinkled hand against the flat of Gareth's chest. "It was in here all along. The journey wasn't to find me! It was to find _yourself_ ." Gareth stared, his swordhand trembling. "Then... it was all for nothing?" "In a way, yes. In a deeper way, no. Not at all." "But you, the Eminent Sage, you're... you're not instrumental in the turning of the tide?" The Sage smiled, perhaps a little sadly. "No, dear boy. I am afraid that responsibility fall t--" Marie blinked and heard only a startled gurgle before the grating noise of metal on bone. Gareth wiped crimson splatters from his face, then spoke. "Serves him right for a wild goose chase."

[@jasonfenton8250]

Nothin personnel kid

[@LGSN96]

Horatio Nelson I laughed harder at this than I should have

[@AndreaHeckler]

Sexy and supremely dysfunctional male characters are the WORST. It’s basically the quickest way to ensure I won’t be finishing the book 😅

[@zoltanszaszi2264]

Skillset ideas for various male characters: 1. Can cook. 2. Can dress wounds and apply bandages. Is actually the medic of the group, scolding his hot-headed friends, both male and female, for trying to kill themselves, again. 3. Is the jackass loudmouth fuckboy at first sight. Turns out he's a big brother of three. Can hunt, chop wood, build a cottage, make a kickass mushroom stew, and sing beautifully. But he has to be drunk for that. Leads the building of the adventure party's secret winter hideout. 4. Simply, speaks three languages and understands diplomacy and the cultural customs of a dozen kingdoms, principalities, commonwealths, city-states, dominions. 5. Can sew, can mend armor, is handy, he's the cleaning freak and usually cleans up the mud and dirty snow that the other adventurers carelessly dragged into said secret winter hideout on their boots 6. Is good with maths, manages the finances of the group, sorts through the adventurer group's checks and bills for armor maintenance, fines for drunk public urination, medical and healing magic bills, Adventurer Guild membership fee late fines, bar tabs. 7. Natural at empathy. Good with kids, traumatized victims, can charm a confession out of a seasoned swindler.

[@anyad6131]

*YU ARE THE KEE!*

[@lizzieanne2002]

If there is a 'dangerous/unhealthy sexy stranger' mentioned in the blurb im putting it back on the shelf

[@maschaorsomething]

Zoltán Szászi Holy shit, I have a character in my story who has almost all of the things listed here, haha!

[@anonymousfellow8879]

liz dean ...like, by all means, have an emotionally damaged stranger. But please don’t make them “sexy” and for the love of God do NOT make them into yet another asshole. Let them be kind, or have a hard time expressing their emotions or desires (like they just simply freeze up. It happens. It sucks). Instead of romanticizing their trauma and/or mental illness, let their character arc be about finding solace and purpose with learning to love their friends (and accepting that their friends love them back). ...then MAYBE give them a romance arc later. But not until they get their shit together. They deserve some healing before jumping into “yet another failed romance”/“romance is the cure” crap...and so does whoever their so-called love interest(s)

[@Bookdragon11]

“Hair, metal, spandex and the invention of black people” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I love this video 😁😄😄.

[@ariartsy9220]

I've been trying my best to subvert tropes! Planning a book (working title Not Your Average Fairytale) all about subverting tropes. We have a prince who wants love who is betrothed to a princess from another kingdom. He's upset because he wants to marry for true love, and the princess is upset because she doesn't care about love at all. So, they run away together to go on an adventure and find some quest to fulfill. This does not end in them falling in love in any way. They also find this farm boy, the son of a witch trained in making potions. He joins them, also wanting adventure. The king announces his son and his betrothed have gone missing and asks his close friend, the king of another kingdom, to help him search. This other king is evil, so he sends his dragons out to find them so he can hold them for ransom. One of the dragons doesn't want to assist him, so he finds them himself and befriends them. They decide they gotta face the king themselves because they're a bunch of impulsive teenagers. However, the prince and the farm boy get into an argument. The farm boy is upset that the prince seems more interested in finding love than making sure they aren't caught, and the prince is upset that the farm boy doesn't want him to have fun. The princess tries to get them to stop fighting, and the farm boy storms off to go home. The prince, princess, and dragon continue on towards the evil king's palace, and they challenge him. However, he has his dragons arrest them. The dragon escapes and goes to find the farm boy, while the prince and princess are chained up and forced to work for the king. The dragon returns with the farm boy, who challenges the king to a sword-fight. They battle, and the king reveals he's the farm boy's true father, and that he gave him to the witch to "keep him safe", so he should join him. The farm boy basically says "stfu why do you think I care I love my witch mom" and the king falls off his tower to his death. The farm boy saves the prince and princess and they all go back home. The prince and the farm boy talk on the way back, bond, and they eventually get married. The princess becomes an adventurer with her dragon friend and visits often. And they all lived happily ever after. Also, the princess is a fairy

[@Weareone0518]

The invention of Black People LMAO 😂 😂😂 I couldn’t stop laughing, I almost choked on my water.

[@Altrantis]

Well, on one hand, it's true that in medieval Europe black people were very rare (no, Maghrebi people don't count), on the other hand, this guy needs to be better known. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas-Alexandre_Dumas Note that Alexandre Dumas of The Three Musketeers fame is his son.

[@MrAstrojensen]

In NORTHERN medieval Europe, black people were rare, but in southern Europe they knew very well they existed. The Vikings knew them, too. And there were black Roman soldiers in England during the Roman Empire.

[@Weareone0518]

As a black person it doesn't really matter to me if a person of color is included in some fantasy stories or historical romances. When I was in the Army I met white people that lived in small towns with like only one or two black families.

[@Altrantis]

MrAstrojensen, there's a huge difference between knowing of their existence and them actually being not-super-rare. I live in Chile and I have known about the existence of black people since I can remember, yet the first time I met someone black in real life I was 14, and it was only because I went to Europe. Romans had very little contact with black people because, again, northern Africans aren't black. There's plenty of awesome stories about real black people to tell (and that I really want to read about) without the need to bend history to make an uncommon scenario seem common. Of course this video is about Fantasy, so you can do whatever you want in fantasy, but when people talk about history, which was tangentially to alluded here, it's different.

[@Altrantis]

Jaleen, I'm sorry if I dropped a bomb of unfunniness on your thread. I just really wanted to share that link about Alexandre Dumas Sr. >.>

[@lightquest2]

I’m in the middle of editing an urban fantasy manuscript rn thank god for this video 😂🙏🏻

[@JennaMoreci]

happy to help!

[@jacyfaraldo6424]

*God.

[@lightquest2]

Pheenixorphan X yesss

[@pixiebloom1774]

"The main character is a stupid giant key" I just shit myself at this one. 😂😂

[@kaylawoodbury2308]

🗝️

[@MarcusSanchez2525]

Not a book but Kingdom Hearts is all about those keys 🔑 😂

[@remyatempest6700]

This was fun to watch. I love your personality and animated/candid approach

[@LascaillesShroud]

Fantasy novels where the author doesn't show normal, healthy, sexual relationships, but has no problem giving you a second-by-second walkthrough a woman being violently raped. Seriously, why is normal sexual activity such a mystery in so many ways (fade to black after kiss, oooh naughty scene), and yet violent sexual assault is front and center. God this annoys me. In fantasy novels, I find most depictions of rape to be utterly useless. Fading to black or alluding to this would be just as effective, as the main through-line and story rarely hinge on this thing happening.

[@Redtecho]

Brett Windnagle One of the most powerful ways to gain immediate sympathy is to show abuse of a female in some way shape and form.

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

Feminist Myths And it's the laziest and most annoying.

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

I know this isn't really a fantasy show (then again season 2 introduced ghosts so maybe it is) but that is 13 reasons why in a nutshell.

[@Redtecho]

The little red haired girl from across the street I agree... doesn't stop people from abusing it.

[@Darek_B52]

I'm sorry is this rape in detail from Game of Thrones? I read 3 of the Witcher novels so far and they tend to give some detail to the sex bits....There hasn't been a rape yet....at least not upfront....though there was a funny bit where Dandelion (thinking these were his last moments before death) got to see the sexy parts of Yennefer due to her torn cloths. She says stop but he replies with (basically) "You got us into this mess and now I'm going to die but before I do I'm getting an eyeful of you" I should point out both of them along with Geralt of Rivia were tied up. #AlwaysRememberTheBathHouse

[@lordofentropy]

Oh some good ones in there. And medicated Jenna is A+.

[@JennaMoreci]

LOL thank you!

[@primeemperor9196]

God: You're the chosen one. Isn't there some soldier or ancient war hero that is more qualified than me? God: Nope! Ok, why not create something to stop the big mean threat? You are god, aren't you? God: I did create something! You! The chosen one! Ok, fine. What makes me a better choice than every warrior, wizard, king or warrior princess out there? God: Look, if I choose someone who can actually fight, the villain is just gonna go straight to them. If I choose you, you can fly under the radar. Really? God: Yup. Is that why the inciting incident is my village burning down and my family dying? God: What? *smoke rises from the background* God: Ok, that could be any village. Nope. God: And how would you know? There are no other villages within a 100 mile radius. God: WHO THE HELL DESIGNED THAT!? The author. God: Ok, new plan. I go pick new chosen one. Have fun with the villain's horde of lackeys! Wait, you can't just- God: *vanishes* ;-;

[@senpaithehandsomelad7732]

Lol

[@3dstuff654]

😂😂😂👌

[@heroofthewinds7765]

I'm writing a story with an MC whose chosen by a goddess, MC decided to take up the quest because she wanted to see the world, not because the bad guy came after her

[@freetoplayking7362]

moral of the story: don't ask too many questions

[@tarniabook3076]

In my novel, I always romantise a character's brown eyes, calling them "a pool of honey and melted copper". Mainly because the crush I had when I started writing it had eyes just like that.

[@avahans1957]

"Female characters who could braid their pubes" got me dead 😂😂😂

[@dc4457]

It was actually a fashion at court around Marie Antoinette's time. Gives "French braid" a whole new meaning, doesn't it?

[@Samuel-ku1qb]

My main character “Charlious Grimsson” is autistic (because I’m autistic and it’s easier to write from experience) has brown eyes and brown hair. He isn’t really chosen more that his mother fucked up and his twin “Luwther” was damned for all eternity, so it wasn’t really “meant to be”. The co-main character “Dimitri Y.A.” is the one who’s broody and careful, completely opposite to Charlious. I take my main inspiration from Norse mythology since it’s one of the things I’m obsessed with so I have the knowledge to wave it into history. I have a perfectionist brain and a higher level in physics so I need it too be as realistic as possible and not have any weird plot holes, even though it’s a fantasy series. ...I’ve been at it since I was 15, I’m 16 now and I’m not planning on publishing it any time soon. At the moment it’s my universe, no one else’s.

[@iaintgotnobraincellsihihi268]

Your book does sound great tbh. I hope I'll be able to read it once you publish it. GOOD LUCK💖

[@justradicles4337]

Sounds pretty cool! Best of luck to you!

[@fkdjdjcmckdjdjf3728]

question- why didn't you just say 'i've been at it for a year'

[@grondhero]

@@fkdjdjcmckdjdjf3728 Because he has autism. Telling you his age is specific. And it may not have been a _full_ year.

[@grondhero]

Good luck to you! Everybody needs a Sam. :)

[@LilithDaHobbit]

I was gonna say that the LOTR books don’t have these tropes until you got to the world building bit because....yeah JRR Tolkien likes to describe things

[@TheLoozerDonkey]

Also about the diversity thing

[@allotherlightsgoout]

@@TheLoozerDonkey he had diversity. The Southrons were black. Corsairs may have been based off the north African pirates. The Rohirrim were based off Nordic people. Hobbits were midgets. Elves were immortal and Numenorean men were some strange mix between elves and men..... I reject the idea that just because there weren't a lot of different colors involved it means there wasn't diversity.

[@TheLoozerDonkey]

@@allotherlightsgoout I was talking about the human diversity(Hobbits and Elves are not really human and the people of Numenor are like half elf half human species), but yes I didn't really thought about the Corsairs, Haradrim and the Eastelings since I only thought about the Free Peoples which they were all white.

[@allotherlightsgoout]

@@TheLoozerDonkey true. That's a fair point.

[@helikontex2467]

@@TheLoozerDonkey clearly good people are all white

[@destielswizzle3655]

i started watching your channel bc i needed tips about my hero novel but now i’m binge watching it bc you’re fucking hilarious and i love you

[@fattiger6957]

Fantasy (particularly epic fantasy) is such a formulaic genre. Here's a few that annoy me. -The standard 'hero's journey' hero. You know what I'm talking about. The teenage boy who lives a boring life as a famer's son or blacksmith's apprentice and dreams of adventure, but sits on his ass and does nothing until a bunch of orcs or whatever murder his village. -The dark lord who doth not have a personality. -Medieval European (usually english) inspired setting. The world is vast with thousands of years of history to pull from. Pick something a little bit more unique to inspire your fantasy world. -Bad guys being ugly. How did facial scarring, pale skin, and black hair become associated with bad guys? -Magic being too easy and without cost. If magic is so easy, why aren't they living in a magitech utopia rather than being stuck in the middle-ages. -(related to the first one) The boring teenage hero is able to pick up a sword for the first time ever and kill trained soldiers. It took years of training to become proficient in swordsmanship. -The plucky tomboy who will be the love interest, but the dense hero mistakes her for a boy when he first meets her. I always see through this joke/twist as soon as she steps onto the page. I don't necessarily hate the archetype, just that particular way to introduce her. -Authors with lack of understanding how armour/weapons/fighting/tactics work. Do some research if you want to use these things.

[@lauramaue]

YES to all of this, especially the third point. It's why I set a short fantasy story in an Arabia-inspired area; I was so sick of boring-ass Europe. Let's have more variety, people!

[@fattiger6957]

Laura Maue That's a cool setting. There's a fantasy book called The Desert Spear (I think the author is Peter Brett) that is set in a middle-eastern area and it was such a breath of fresh air to read something different. I'm working on a book that has settings/peoples that are inspired by Roman to Imperial Chinese to 18th century German to Jerusalem. Very fun to read and also work in a world with such a diverse cast/cultures.

[@sanfransiscon]

What about a fantasy story where... The teenage boy has grand ambitions when setting off on his journey to defeat the charming dark lord and his narcissistic kingdom of hot people.

[@soporificpunk1480]

I know Disney helped popularise the whole 'He's evil! therefore look at all of his scars and shock all the sun is gone whenever he's (or she) is on screen!" trope

[@snowydraws5817]

Yeah, honestly the moment I see the word "king" I put it down because it'll probably just be one of THOSE books. I prefer fantasy books that try to devolp their own unique world or try to bring magic into the real world somehow (which can be great when done well).

[@Tsubakiihime]

The teenage chosen one is definitely my top rage- inducing element but for a different reason, because then you need to justify manipulating a child to fight a war. When I read these kinds of books it makes me resent every adult presence around the kid. Severus Snape said it best, "You've been raising him like a pig for slaughter?" This pretty much sums up that trope in a nutshell and I can't stand that the only excuse authors have for this is because they need their story to connect to a younger audience.

[@ShadeSlayer1911]

to be fair....the world ending unless they fight is a pretty good reason. I'd rather that they not be children in the first place, but if they are children, and the world needs them to fight or else everyone dies, then they'd better fight.

[@Ameersuhail]

The best answer to this question is Hashirama Senju's backstory in the Naruto franchise. It explains clearly how children and adolescents have fought in wars and the reasoning behind it. People mature at a different rate when born into a society actively strife with war or great adversity. There's a reason so many people died young in the past. Sometimes you cannot avoid children fighting in wars, because your side lacks numbers, or weaponry or supplies. Severus Snape is the most hypocritical person to use that line (example), as he was complaining about all his efforts being wasted, not because he cared about Harry Potter's own well being (which he demonstrates literally the next second) Dumbledore on the other hand, realized that he will be forced into that fight regardless of what he or anyone else wants, and thus prepared him best he could for the fight he knew was coming. Don't forget that Severus still didn't know the full contents of the Prophecy, only Dumbledore and the golden trio knew it's exact authenticity.

[@cheshiregamez303]

Oooooh! I’m now going to write a book about child soldiers! Thanks for the idea!

[@anothercub6958]

Reading this just makes me think of Evangelion....

[@abbicappel7585]

This video is seriously a breath of fresh air. I needed this. I'm in the midst of planning a very large fantasy world and I can happily say NONE of these tropes have been planned, but it's nice to have a list to make sure they don't get thrown in!!

[@manolomartinez5033]

Why are brown eyes less common? Because, as you said, they are the most common irl, meaning they are also the most boring and dull eye color, and characters in stories tend to stand out, so an easy way to do it is to give them cool eye colors.

[@Mo-vu7jc]

my sister calls my eyes "dirty lake-water" colored and i'm gonna one-up her now with "baby-poop green"

[@colt9836]

"Dirty lake-water" actually made me lol. Thank you.

[@booklover466]

If I read about another lost freaking princess or queen I will claw my eyes out

[@momowoods2859]

Lol,ToG. :D

[@user-lg7gx9vt5m]

Weeeell, this should be fun. "Avyette!" shouted the old man on the tower. His daughter was running, purple cloak flying in the wind as she cradled her new born baby. Her footprints tracked all the way to the castle, but snow had covered most of them by now. The golden crown nestled atop her brown hair flew off into the blizzard as she struggled toward her next step. Then, as if the gale had aided him, the elderly man was at her side. "I never told you, but..." He lay a hand on her shoulder as she wimpered and held her child close. "You're the lost princess." Sorry this is so badly written but enjoy clawing your eyes out!

[@MostorAstrakan]

"Right," said King Waldemar, giving his wife a stern look. "Where did you see her last?"

[@user-lg7gx9vt5m]

Pax Vobiscum The queen faltered. "You don't remember Avy?" The king's face remained blank. "Avyette? She's been missing for twenty years?" The king shook his head. "No? Well, anyway, a lord in the south says his daughter fits the description perfectly. Apparently they found her near his wife's corpse, but he thinks she died trying to save her, not giving birth. Point is, we should check it out."

[@jacyfaraldo6424]

I know! Why do they even get coronated when they're found anyway? Shouldn't there be a replacement by now? Let them stay lost!

[@DragonIsNotASlave]

There’s some serious shade thrown at Game of Thrones. And I’m here for it .

[@mochiattoart514]

In my book, eye color can sometimes determine race. Example: Lyras commonly has brown eyes, but the Avi family has a slightly more hazel color to it. This is a really useful trope to me.

[@synflwr]

I do this with hair. The Astra family in my story are known for mainly having blue or purple hair. Yeah, the people in my story are part of an alien race who naturally have crazy hair and eye colours.

[@haremfanatic1014]

I just want a fantasy where it’s 1% humans and 99% Fantasy creatures (How the hell did we ever beat these superior beings?!) Magic has a Patton and organized through Halfing bureaucracy. The world (While old looking) should be advance with introduction of Magic and Technological fusion. Something that includes only the good parts.

[@pallydan893]

DnD? I think there's at least 11 nonhuman races (not including sub race)

[@WeirdTale]

Irish Mythology was actually a bit more like this. The entire point of the Books of the taking of Ireland was how humans did the impossible and actually took over after centuries of war with them.

[@radha7335]

Why don't you just write it yourself then?

[@sitchreapotere1073]

Touhou. ...Technically.

[@sitchreapotere1073]

@Yᴀᴏʀᴏᴄʜɪ. Wow, I did not expect another Touhou comment on this. Lmao

[@HellsMirror]

Now I definitely feel better about myself, thanks, I was scared that I'd done everything wrong but: 1. My main characters are not chosen per se, they more or less stumble into the story because of a demon who was bored. (Aaand I kinda question the logic of prophecies throughout) 2. My "heroes" (even though there are no real heroes there) are more likely emotionally unstable and fluctuating or simply naive (or even happy with their lives sometimes) than unavailable. 3. I guess diversity is okay, too. Have some LGBT+ and people of color in there (I mean, it's hell, there are people from all around the world in there) 4. My characters like never get assaulted, only that one time, but that is the creepy demon's fault 5. I consider myself a little guilty about that, but if you have an entire race of demons, not everyone can be nice or ugly. So yeah, the devil can control his appearance, of course he looks good, and he lived for thousands of years, he can be a douche once in a while (he can be nice sometimes, tho) 6. no fairies at all in there 7. is there even everything fixed? seems more like complete devastation to me, and nothing my protagonists can do could have prevented the situation from going south, at least the things that they could do at that moment 8. no "all inside you" trope. not at all 9. that's something I'm gonna fix in editing. I admit that I sometimes get a little carried away with descriptions, but it's still fixable I think, not on that large a scale 10. Characters with brown eyes: Daïna (one of my protagonists), Ava, Arren, Dibaro, Kamiro, Emilija, Irena, Olivier, Elena. I think that's it. But still. They exist. Well, for whoever read that till the end: have a cookie.

[@HellsMirror]

@The Only True Witch-King actually, it's not, it's just my perception of my story, that even the "heroes" cannot be seen as real heroes. No reference whatsoever

[@HellsMirror]

@The Only True Witch-King nope, sorry, never even watched tomb raider

[@OmegaTheSillyWolf]

Where's my cookie and where is this story, I think I need this in my life

[@divanighttime4835]

Omega Wolf 🍪

[@JustLooseMe]

It really doesnt matter what ingridiences you put in your story. All what matter is that it is well written. The most bullshit plot with some plotholes here and there some generic protagonists and a bunch of klisches can and will be more entertaining to read if the author is good at writing. On the other side, the greatest ideas for a plot, the most creative and fancy world, the most interesting characters and villains all together in one story ccan be boring as hell if you cant write. Dont look to harsh on your ingrediances. Look at your sentences, the words your choosing, the structure of your text, the art of dialogue and keep your readers interested with every word and sentence you write.

[@bookvideos]

Number 9 was super helpful... wonderful insight! Subscribed!!! ^_^ I definitely did too much world building in my first novel, and I love the advice you gave about it.

[@mariaklassen8306]

Seriously, that helped a lot! I'm working on my very first story right now which is a fantasy and was so worried about the world building stuff! I thought it was missing a huge part but wondered if so much was necessary since i'm more interested in my characters actually going through the plot. Like you said, I need to bring them in with the characters and plot.

[@ouroborosjormungandr5615]

I've got some for ya... All dragons being portrayed as evil All main character magic is in a sword Wizards are evil

[@lunaring5340]

Evil dragons are fine, but exclusively evil dragons are boring.

[@synflwr]

I’m writing a fantasy x sci-fi set like 150 years into the future, and the main character has a pet dragon which she rides on and shoots villains with her guns from a high distance. I actually love her so much.

[@iclynnx]

And then there's just me, with my dragon character that is basically a god (and he actually exists), and the characters have their power within them, not because of some decoration. And guess what, not just the mains have powers! In their world, every wolf has their own power! :)

[@Pendrake]

I love the idea of a guild of bored, huffy wizards who spend their time enchanting swords for idiot heroes and grumbling the whole time about how adventurers are too stupid to cast a damn spell unless it casts itself. "Runes? You want runes, they cast smooth as butter, barely any chanting! Come on, not even a word of power or two? Or special offer, just for you- I have a great death spell, all you need to do is invoke the god of paladins and cut your hand, instant death for all who would slay you! No? "You want- You want a goddamned sword, don't you? Flames? Sure thing. And you want it to talk too, original. No, no, I get it; snarky but ultimately helpful. Of course; the most generic great sword I can find. "That'll be every scrap of gold and silver I can wring out of you for getting my hopes up that someone actually wanted to learn a *real* spell. I mean; special offer just for you, ya big, brave warrior! Oh, and you're *THE* chosen one! Why, I can hardly bring myself to take your money! I feel so guilty taking gold from such a brave, rugged hero, I insist on half price! That'll be 30,000 gold!" Bitter wizard marches down to the guild basement and hauls out a box labelled "Chatty fire swords" and grabs one without looking, muttering the whole while about useless, boring sword users. "He doesn't even want one measly rune!"

[@Loremastrful]

Sorry, one more trope I've learned to hate in Urban Fantasy: The Gated Community. This is where whatever magical community has barriers to keep the normies out. This feels like cheating of the highest order. You want a fantasy in modern times but then kick out all the stuff about modern life? You shouldn't have it both ways. You want it in today's world then pay a mortgage, get a job, deal with traffic the whole nine yards. If that is too cumbersome Naria/Middle Earth/Krynn is three streets down.

[@Carewolf]

Or you can have a gated world, and still deal with real life issues. Check out "The Magicians" books by Lev Grossman

[@americanliberal09]

that's why certain genres like sci-fi, and drama exist, because they're grounded on realism already.

[@dormant.channel]

I love these videos they are amazing and help with my writing. Subbed and in love with the videos! Keep up the work Jenna, your awesome!

[@misst-1538]

I watch these to check myself (and because she's funny). May I never fall into a shitty trope... Without good reason. Amen 🙏🏾 Back to writing

[@andyzhang7890]

I think sometimes there isn't always a need for diversity in every fantasy story. If I were to write a saga based on the Samoan Islands in the ancient times, I would probably create a 99% homogenous cast, if not 100%

[@julietfischer5056]

There are settings in which one ethnic group will either dominate or be the only one -- such as your Samoan idea -- but it's absurd to have a trading port or imperial capital with less diversity than the average Southern town.

[@sunsetvlogs5500]

Juliet Fischer not really if you wrote a fiction Anglo Saxon story some guy calculated that there would only be 2300 blacks in the whole of Britain

[@julietfischer5056]

@@sunsetvlogs5500 - And I bet most were in the port cities and larger city centers where traders did business. That includes the merchants, their staff, servants, and guards. So, yes, there will be some diversity -- especially if you also count any non-Anglo-Saxons in Britain (such as the descendants of retired legionaries and their slaves; merchants from Phoenicia, Greece, Italy; assorted mercenaries, slaves, and paid labor).

[@spudssnowdrops6286]

I don't know, I think you could make an imperial city homogeneous if the setting is akin to a fantasy North Korea, for example, or something inspired from the Forbidden City in ancient China. There are settings where complete homogeneity can make sense, I think. It's more a matter of how it is explained/justified.

[@MrDavidKord]

@Benja Freeman It's an entire world. The dwarves and elves may be Nordic, but the rest of the civilized world is very much western European, when parts of the civilized world could easily have been at least partially belonging to another race. No, I wouldn't have a problem with it if it were all East Asian (yellow is still derogatory, you should watch yourself on that) good guys and all white bad guys, because we don't live in a diverse but oppressive culture where East Asians are at the top and are the only race represented in high fantasy media. That's how it is with white people right now. The civilized people are all white, and the enemies of those civilized people are of other races. Now if in, say, Japan, they had a population that was made up of more than 50% minorities but still only made high fantasy movies with Japanese culture being civilized and, say, European or African cultures being evil barbarians with no cultural value, then yeah, I'd have a problem.

[@mozsaic3113]

Including most of these, I'd say a trope I hate in fantasy is the pure evil and pure good forces. Characters should have their own motivations that make them seem evil or seem good from certain perspectives- no matter how normal or morbid they may be.

[@bryanmcclure2220]

Jakob Gifford I like the way JRR Tolkien handled evil in his book those you haven't read Lord of the rings In middle Earth there's no such thing as pure evil

[@Darek_B52]

Might I suggest a series known as Beserk or Beserker (I don't know what the difference is). It actually has no serious bad guy until the end of the golden arc. Now there are antagonist in the sense of opponents and some evil bastards but overall everyone is just fighting for their country or job. You have the Manga, the original hand drawn anime (really good but doesn't complete as the manga is on going) the CGI movies (most available on Netflix also don't fully complete as the manga is ongoing) and then there's the video game which uses cutscenes from the CGI movies. Now while it is a Japanese creation it really carries a more European setting to it. The main character Guts or Gutsu if in Japanese is at first rather bland but as time goes on him and all other characters gain depth over and over again leading to one of the saddest and shocking twists/tragedy that I've seen in a storytelling medium. I fully suggest checking them out as it plays on tropes effectively and grips you from start to finish (also there is beautiful artwork in the manga...though be warned that if you're sensitive to nudity, dark stories, and gory kills you won't enjoy it as much.

[@joshuafogg6600]

Bryan McClure Well, not exactly. Tolkien wove layers into his stories. There are indeed true Good and Evil (the grander, overarching scale). But Tolkien also focused on a more lesser scale, when shades of grey exist (the more personal, insular scale).

[@joshuafogg6600]

Bryan McClure Indeed. Even the few Orcs that became outside of Sauron's influence (after the second fall of Barad-Dûr of course) banded together and decided to keep mostly to themselves as roving bands.

[@zoltanszaszi2264]

At least give the evil dark lord a nice mom who loves him and waits him home and he's not telling her half the stuff he does because he started out trying to make a living for her and one thing came after another and he just loves that she's happy and won't tell her how gruesome and evil the way was that helped him put a roof over her head and food on her table. But she still thinks of him as her little son, and thinks the world of him and would be devastated if he didn't come home. Okay that's cheesy but hey... Something. Give the story something. Plus the underworld of the port city that directly or indirectly has jobs and income through his activity would be devastated if he was gone. See, the kingdom of good and justice the heroes defend has a very powerful merchant guild plus war refuges who could not enter the kingdom otherwise found a place in the criminal underworld who didn't ask about their nationality or religion, just put them to work and payed them. Now through the evil dark lord's endeavors, there's food on the table of the poorest too and long-persecuted nonhumans have shelter over their heads and can sleep through the night. That doesn't mean the evil dark lord didn't really blow up that palace, killed all those priests, murdered that princess in the temple and painted the inner city with the blood of the innocent. For which the heroes are hunting him. Yeah, he did that too.

[@KimsLantern]

I’m really sick of the misunderstood teen/young adult tropes. Great video! And the ‘It was inside you the whole time’ crap as well.

[@Supramedical68]

That was pretty helpful. Thanks.

[@LeightonReacts]

The brown eyes thing is SO true!!! My book has, like, five characters with brown eyes because, as a brown-eyed person, I felt excluded in fantasy XD

[@secondavenger9775]

Your pissed off princess thumbnail is so adorable.

[@rikkilleen3169]

Holy crap. Writing my 1st fantasy story and I missed - every - single - trope on your list. Missed them all by a country mile. 🤗

[@gtfoffmyproperty]

The last point made me realize that most of my characters have some shade of brown eyes. Yes I have some light blue, green and even white but that's only like 10-20% of my cast. Brown eyes are just easy to describe and there are so many shades to choose from.

[@midnight8341]

Jenna, why do you do this to me?? I have to go to bed (it's 1 am here in Germany) and study for TWO exams next week!! And now I have to watch one of your videos, because I can't resist it .__.

[@JennaMoreci]

lol, sorry!

[@midnight8341]

AAAAHHH, a heart AND a reply!! Now *I'm* going to shrivel up like a d*ck in the ocean, because that's waaaay to much attention from a famous person... ^^" BUT! My book has unbelievably none of these tropes... yet... I'm only halfway through so far, so there's still plenty of time to screw things up

[@sinclairethomas8197]

One novel trope that I'm getting really tied of is when every female (and male) character has the exact same body type. One might be an athlete, another might be a model, yet another might not even be human, and another might do nothing but sit on their butt and eat comfort food all day for a month because they're dealing with a bad breakup. But they ALL have the same body type! I see this sometimes with the male characters as well (all 7-foot-tall muscle studs), but I feel like I see it with the women more often. Maybe it's because their bodies get described more often or in more detail? Maybe I'm biased and I just notice it more with female characters? Either way, lack of body diversity might be a video topic that you could do.

[@TimRG]

Very true! At the same time, I think if there is a logical reason behind it. it is fine. In my WIP my cast all have fit body types. There's a reason behind it. Can't say why spoilers. The why can't be something lame. It needs to be reasonable and fit the story. Most books don't do that, in my opinion.

[@sinclairethomas8197]

T Greene, I agree. If it's a story about the Olympics, then all of your characters are going to be fit (albeit in different ways because different sports require different parts of your body to be toned in different ways). If your story is about a group of people struggling to survive in the wild, then all of your characters are going to be frail and dirty. But if you're writing a story about the every-person, they aren't going to look like a supermodel because the whole point of the every-person is that the majority of people will be able to identify with them. And the people around them are going to look different from each other because real life people all look different. But I understand your point and I hope your WIP story goes well!

[@l33lzonwh33lz]

Which is why I made the princess in my urban fantasy kinda chunky with frizzy hair bc of depression-induced emotional eating Lol.

[@bekahnavarro]

Sinclaire Thomas I see it too. Irs usually 3 kinds of smoking hotness- huge boobed, more modest boobs, but still curvy, & cute and petite.

[@janellelives5158]

I want to see more characters that are as short as me

[@KainSpada09]

Thanks for letting me know about this so I can avoid these mistakes in writing my fanfic

[@anthonyjackson6319]

I love it, I love your style. :D

[@alxndra1772]

I hate the brown-eye discrimination, like come one people, all eyes are beautiful.... Unless they're blood red, cause that's demonic Edit: Omg, I was not expecting so many likes😂😂

[@TimRG]

What if they are ruby red? Still demonic?

[@PetalsAndPlague]

I love brown eyes. I have blue eyes but I wish I had brown eyes. They looks warm and welcoming.

[@Altrantis]

But what about Albinos!? They often have red eyes. Also, the brown eye discrimination is also true in movies.

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

Or yellow, cuz that's jaundice

[@alxndra1772]

T Greene Yes

[@madisonaubrey7707]

Cyborg queen Jenna has posted 💞👑

[@JennaMoreci]

yassss!

[@atinygoose6199]

I feel called out for my useless teen protag, but the point of my story is that they think theyre the chosen one but they aren't, not even close 😅

[@RiaxaraCo]

Personally I’ve discovered a great way to subvert vampire troupes: so in the series I’m writing (I write in my free time) but really only in the third book (when the vampires are introduced) a bunch of middle schoolers stumble upon a very small town of vampires, and during the course of the book it’s pretty obvious that the 13 and a half year old emo chic is definitely attracted to the vampires, because she’s, A, 13. B, an emo. And C, she reads vampire novels to be edgy, however, the vampires are openly not attracted to her because, A, she’s 13, and B, they’re each at least 150 years, so yeah, troupe subversion. Also at least one vampire will be like an older brother to her. (But since I’m not from Alabama or japan, he’ll be one she’s not attracted to.)