100% FFB Challenge on a Wheel Stand!

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[@ChrisHaye]

Haha - the wheelstand did waaaay better than I expected!

[@zera0611]

Chris Haye I have this with a TMX, and it has real good strength

[@SN13K3R]

Chris Haye I looked up this video because I was watching your video about the Fanatec podium saying that only KZbinrs would probably get near 20 Newton Meters 😂

[@diogosequeira2182]

@@zera0611 the force of the TMX is nothing at all compared to a DD wheel. It isn't comparable

[@zera0611]

Diogo Sequeira I’m not comparing it to the DD wheels 😉

[@pedrosilvaproductions]

@@zera0611 Thing is, it basically ruins the point of saying that it holds the TMX. If it can hold DD wheels it can hold those no problem

[@NoobySammy]

An FIA approved couch usually goes a long way, just saying 😉

[@Pencil-Eating]

I appreciate this video. I have the same stand with a T150 and I will be getting my GT DD Pro with 8Nm boost kit tomorrow. It is comfortable to see that I can use my stand until I can upgrade to proper full cockpit. Thank you for your time to make this.

[@J4mezlo]

Do you still use the stand with your dd pro? Does it hold up okay?

[@FYoCouchN]

Great video! I've been waiting on this since you mentioned it on Facebook. The stand held up better than expected, you look like you was fighting the 100% FFB more than the stand was. Subbed, need more videos like this.

[@sidrat2009]

I don't know much about the difference between in a full sized rig, but the Wheel Stand was so much better than I thought it would be, the only reason a full size rig doesn't move around is because of the sheer amount of weight that's on it. A wheel stand you can fold up and put away with the wheel, shifter and pedals left on too is a damn good deal - even in the video the 100% FFB, 20n of torque it wasn't that bad, you'd feel that movement in a kart anyway, and traditionally the wheel stands haven't been directed at those using a direct drive wheel; but it's good to know it can be for light to medium racing experiences.

[@MrNice-zm9qk]

Thank you for this test. I'm about to buy a 12nm DD and had doubts my GT Omega Apex can deal with it. But as it seems it'll be a feasible option until I can build a proper 40/80 rig.

[@lateapex9420]

This is great to know as I'd like to come back to sim-racing with a DD wheel but will use a basic wheel stand in the short term.

[@rars0n]

I'm surprised and quite impressed that it holds up so well. I wouldn't have expected it to handle 8nm but it seems fine for that.

[@SBJ696]

Thank you for this video. Upgrading from T300RS to Podium soon, had a crazy idea to see if i could use my Apex stand before i could get my full rig lol THANK YOU SCIENCE

[@Ryder_Studios]

Awesome! Thanks for this test. It confirms this WILL be my first stand. Combining it with the GT DD Pro next month. Can't wait

[@Pencil-Eating]

I have this stand and am upgrading my wheel base to the GT DD Pro. It comes tomorrow and I am very excited. I have a T150 right now so I am sure the experience will be much better. Do you like the performance of the DD Pro on this stand? I have ordered the 8Nm boost kit as well.

[@Ryder_Studios]

@@Pencil-Eating I got the DD Pro with the upgraded 8nM as well. Straight out of the box without adjusting the torque the stand is slightly wobbly. Nothing that is a deal breaker though. I'm loving this set up though. Couldn't be happier with the DD Pro.

[@Pencil-Eating]

@@Ryder_Studios I’m with you! Loving the new DD Pro and the slight wobble in the stand has not bothered me yet. ACC is like a brand new game!!!

[@sermerlin1]

​@@Pencil-Eating so hows the stand now that you used it? Flexing from pedals? Is it wobbly?

[@sermerlin1]

@@Ryder_Studios so hows the stand now that you used it for a long time? Flexing from pedals? Is it wobbly overall? Distracting?

[@oliese]

You could try drifting to test if it really flexes, as that is more demanding for the wheel stand/cockpit

[@jasonbridges279]

Well damn...u proved us wrong on your FB post...it did pretty good. Good job bro

[@TheSimChannel]

I was also positively surprised :-)

[@2ndLastJedi]

I have the GT Ultimate v2 but spent time and a bit of money reinforcing it in the pedal deck and the wheel mount ! Now its close to solid ;)

[@anderu2384]

How did u do it?

[@Skipcarey]

For the money this is by far the best stand Ive come across and seeing as how many real world drivers have stated that in just about all realworld racing situations they never see more than 3-4 NM in modern power steering racecars GT omega has developed an addon to attach a frame for a proper seat connection. this thing is awesome.

[@TheSimChannel]

true, the force of a DD wheel is really only needed for non-power steering cars. however, keep in mind that the wheel diameter plays into this as well, and 4Nm on a small 27cm rim feels similar to 5Nm on a 32cm rim. And then, as shown in my DD1 review, if you have 4-5 Nm as the maximum in normal turns you will still get to figures about 50% higher (so 6-7.5Nm) in corners like eau rouge. Give all of that some headroom for details and I think a 8-10 Nm wheel is enough to cover most real life forces you experience in power steering cars.

[@LogiForce86]

You don't notice flex until you get a rig that doesn't flex at all. Such a huge difference when I went from an old rSeat RS Evo to my Simlab P1. That is just with a CSWv2 mind and not even a DD wheel.

[@TheSimChannel]

That may well be true, I guess I'll find out when the time comes ;-)

[@nathantw]

Thank you for doing this.

[@cryptoeconomist5526]

Probably has the feedback of a real 2 stroke racing kart. Man they’re tiring!

[@reviewforthetube6485]

Dude you could do 10 nm all day on that thing believe me but great video

[@psistorm04]

I'm kind of positively surprised to see how this stand held up. I own the very same one, and I was really impressed with how sturdy it is when I got it. To see that it even kind of held up to a DD1 at full torque is impressive. For some people it MAY even qualify as an entry level DD1 mount from what I saw, up to 12nm, which is what most people would drive anyway, and allowing them to switch to a full rig later on when they want to run higher torque. So you could benefit off the faster responses whilst keeping torque below max, at least so I would think. Personally I'm set to get a CSW v2.5 for this stand, also good to know it'll hold up to its torque just fine without budging. For anyone curious, I found that the apex also holds up REALLY well on carpet, while I don't have a load cell brake yet, and instead use the thrustmaster tmx pro pedals, I've yet to notice it slide around any. Maybe LC will change that, but part of me doubts that, I've done some tests where I tried to shove it around the carpet and it's very hard to get it to slide.

Just pre ordered this wheel stand. I will test my dd1 with the tableclamp on my desk, but surely this will be a more better option.

[@gjdriessen1]

Let us know!

@@gjdriessen1 The wheel stand is awesome. It doesn't flex at all even at 100% ffb for me. I did have a carpet under, but even without it the wheel base is solid.

[@BenCrookx]

@ with a dd-1?

[@davidtaylor8172]

I have this wheel stand screwed to a NLR add on seat and I've put 2 angle brackets on the skirtingboard to keep it from moving. It's pretty stable with a CSW 2.5, the only movement is the afore-mentioned deck wobble, which isn't a big deal. Will do me fine until I can afford an 80/20 rig.

[@TheSimChannel]

Yeah I can imagine this one being a workable solution for any belt driven wheel, especially if you can tie it down somehow.

[@UTubeSL]

Love this. I was actually looking at this set up recently 😄 Mind if I ask, I knew the pedals' travel could be adjusted, but can the pressure needed to press them fully down be adjusted too? Avoided buying them as I thought I would just push my chair back when using them!!

[@TheSimChannel]

You mean the Heusinkvelds? You set up the force at which 100% is registered in the computer (choose anything between 0 and max=50kg), and you set up how much travel you need for that by putting in different rubber bushings. Mind though that they don't actually respond to travel but to pressure. You can put a rigid piece of metal in so they won't move at all and still control the brake force by how much pressure you apply. In that case it'll feel like pushing with your feet against a wall.

[@UTubeSL]

@@TheSimChannel you absolutely wonderful person. This is exactly the explanation I was after. Thanks for taking the time to reply so fully, I really appreciate it!

[@hamzterix]

Another question. Could you even sit farther, like next room away from your TV? JK 🤣, I subbed. Love your channel.

[@TheSimChannel]

I did actually discuss that while driving but decided to cut that part out to make the video less boring ;-) The reason is the couch easily slides across the floor, so I wanted to back it up to the wall. I'm currently planning another video with the Apex though where I'll probably move it up to the TV. Thanks for the sub :)

[@siclusiferx]

Since even your head is shaking , then the Wheelstand is allowed to shake a bit too .. ;) .. But tbh the Wheelstand is doing a very respectable job, I have it and I have an CLS elite on it, it works without any flex what so ever, but as you know the Elite is nothing like a DD1. Thanks a lot for the video, I needed to know if I would buy a DD1 without having to get a big rig and the answer is a solid Yes.. I would only drive it on 100% to test it, most of the time if not ALL of it, I would be driving at 14-16 , which as per the video is perfectly fine .. Thanks again for the video cheers

[@Darksagan]

That thing held up really good.

[@wwjnz9263]

Thanks for doing this test, and doing it in an honest way. Did the flex of the wheel stand make your driving worse? I'm looking at a few stands, the GTOmega Apex is one of them. Eventually I will get a Direct drive wheel. I am wondering if the stands flexing would make the wheel as bad as some on enthusiast forums, make it out to be.

[@TheSimChannel]

I wouldn't recommend this (or probably any other wheel stand) for a direct drive wheelbase to be honest. The flex didn't really slow me down much I think, but the unused seating position, reduced brake force, and low trust in the brakes sure did.

[@wwjnz9263]

@@TheSimChannel Thanks.

[@pocket_racer3917]

Haha and I was worried about the csl dd with 8nm on my rig😂

[@johnnycarrillo2538]

This gives me confidence in buying the new csl dd wheel base for the stand after seeing this video!

[@TheSimChannel]

Yep, no worries at all combining the CSL DD with the Apex. Use my affiliate links when you order if you wanna help me out a little :-)

[@richysracing9524]

People over do it its only the sheet metal flexing there's no way on this earth even a 40nm could bend that box section,

[@Psebcool]

With the Rear seat frame compatible with the Apex Stand, it will be more stable than ever.

[@Slow370Z]

I love my Apex! It’s a beast.

[@berrydex]

So what would be your daily peak torque preference with that F1 wheel? I think next to the fun aspect of the video, it's also pretty informative to at least see the different FFB percentages. My CSW V2.5 arrives tomorrow. I was in doubt for the DD1 but I thought V2.5 is good for now, and let the DD from Fanatec mature a bit. But it looks like the fun really begins above 10Nm of torque, wich ofcourse triggers some second thoughts on my CSW at the moment. Maybe next year DD for me, first need to make sure this starting hobby stays this fun for me.

[@TheSimChannel]

It really depends on your preference. Personally I like stronger forces. Check out my DD1 review, where I answer your question in more detail. Spoiler-alert: 10-12 Nm peak on a 27cm wheel, 12-14 peak on a 32cm wheel.

[@misanthropist111]

I've never felt I needed more torque than what the 2.5 puts out.

[@berrydex]

@@misanthropist111 Just done with setting up the CSW V2.5. It's really great! Enough power for now. I can understand a DD is much more dynamic in forces and speed, but for now i'm really pleased.

[@alpha007org]

Sooooo... I found an alternative to fitness thanks to @Chris Haye having you on his channel discussing SVEG. On the topic at hand this wheel stand looks it can take a normal beating playing at a "human level" FFB settings.

[@TheSimChannel]

Don't skip leg day if you're using Heusinkveld Ultimates! ;-)

[@MustangFastback]

Apex is a great stand. I love mine!

[@meme._hoe._8392]

You think this is a good starter stand for DD1? I doubt i'd go above 12nm of force. Looking for a stand before buying a full rig, space is limited so this one seems perfect.

[@MarcelZeboHommes]

Great vid.

[@regibson23]

Need to try this out at Sebring.

[@hachirokumedia2195]

Great vid, do you need to drill hole for the dd1 to fit?

[@TheSimChannel]

no it has the three-hole pattern for fanatec, thats enough for the DD1

[@Xuvy71]

Fantástico video gracias compañero 👍👌...

[@Inguz88]

how far did you turned down your pedals.. i mean with how much kg of force did you run without issues?

[@TheFleckening]

Just for clarification, or maybe I missed it earlier in the video; I understand the wheel FFB percentage, but I’m trying to figure out the game and car percentages. I play AC primarily, so I at least THINK I understand the difference in-game, but I guess I’m confused as to what the point is in showing both. Is it that you’re using FFBClip and 50% is what it starts with, and it’s ending up at 200% on its own automatic mode for this specific car/track combo? I guess you could be just watching the clipping yourself and working out that 200% is the ideal setup for this car/track, and you always start with 50% as your baseline? Maybe I’m about to learn something about how those percentages work that I didn’t know before. If that’s the case, please let me know, I’d love to be more informed!

[@TheSimChannel]

uhh ok, so this has nothing to do with FFB clip (I'm no longer using that with the DD1). AC has one FFB gain setting in the menu, and another one per car (available via +/- keys on the numpad). The way I understand it the game calculates a torque on the steering column in Nm, multiplies that with some unknown scaling number per car, then multiplies that with the menu FFB gain and car FFB gain, resulting in some number. If this number is >1 or

[@TheFleckening]

The Sim Channel you’re explanation is much appreciated!!! Didn’t think I’d get such a detailed response. As far as I had thought about it (I only have a couple month’s experience, so I’m sure my understanding is limited), I had assumed that it was one of a couple of things: Either the menu percentage was the default for all cars until such a time where a percentage was actually applied to a specific car and saved, overwriting the menu’s “default value”, and making them effectively independent of each other... Or, alternatively, the two percentages are directly dependent on each other, as well as the wheel firmware’s percentage. So, say I have the firmware set to 100% like you, and also like you, I have the menu set to 50% and the car set to 200%. In this case, I imagined it was like multiplying 1 by 0.5, then by 2, which would result in 1, or 100%. Therefore, it would be no different than having all three values set at 100%, since 1 x 1 x 1 = 1. Again, this was all based on speculation, so I’m probably wrong, but in my confusion of not knowing for sure, and simply relying on settings provided by others, without any explanation of why their settings were more “correct” than anyone else’s, I’ve gone with FFBClip, simply because their explanation of what they’re doing made the most sense to me. Now, I’m not a fan of their dynamic mode, as the way it ramps up and down just isn’t realistic (which they actually point out, and just to make it clear that my opinions don’t come from a point of view that considers that mode useful in any way), but the way their automatic mode slowly narrows in on a proper percentage for each car/track combo that provides the most power without sustained clipping, in my opinion, is brilliant. Sorry, I didn’t mean to make this a sales pitch for FFBClip, but it sure is a nice utility to take the guesswork out of approaching a new car/track combo for me, and it might still be useful for getting that “perfect” in-game combination for each car and track within a couple of laps, and letting your firmware percentage be the limiting factor beyond that. I’m not saying you’re doing anything wrong, but I am curious what numbers FFBClip might settle on for this car/track if left to it’s own devices. Sorry for the rant, I’m just happy someone is giving me the time of day to discuss this stuff, even if it is a tangential diversion from the point of the video. If it’s spam, I apologize, but I’d love to see a video from someone like you testing the difference, especially in the context of a DD wheel setup. Have a good one!

[@RalfBlees]

The flex on the pedals ... LOL

[@TheSimChannel]

It would be a lot less if I didnt have the pedals mounted at the very rear end of it though. It's lacking support there a bit. For anyone sitting higher up in an office chair (and thus needing the pedals closer to the front) this wouldn't be an issue I assume.

[@andreasgidske73]

How on earth did you mount the pedal plate flat on the wheel stand?

[@kwaka5704]

Interesting video. I have DD1 and wondering the best way to set up ffb for sim games? I normally run 100% game and 100% car and adjust strength in DD1. Surely 100% ffb from the game gives you the % of feedback/clarity of data. Maybe you can do a video of the best way to set up ffb with regards to game/car and base for sim games.

[@TheSimChannel]

mhh yeah, maybe. but making a video about it would kinda require me to confirm what I think I know, and also check how different sims behave, etc. -- that's a lot of research that at this moment I don't have time for. thus, just as a quick answer: 1) I posted a discription of how I THINK force feedback works above in an answer to Ryan Fleckenstein's question. 2) As a result of that, and from my experience with the DD1, I'm leaving it at 100% (or close to that) in the wheel base, and generally set up the gain I want in game.

[@kwaka5704]

@@TheSimChannel Oh, ok. I always thought was best to have 100% raw signal from the game as thats where the information comes from and dampen/adjust car/wheel strength to suit your liking. (im no expert and struggle to get a suitable feel on most sims) Thats why asked the best way to set sims up for ffb.

[@coreya2001]

For the pedals on that wheel stand, how did you make the medals flat horizontally while they are at the top of the pedal platform?

[@TheSimChannel]

the HE Pro baseplate comes with wedge-shaped mounts.

[@DarthSamuraiRyuu]

ordered a gt omega apex yesterday! guess that will be enough for a G29 lmao

[@_xndrzt]

little question about the pedals : did you replace the rubbers on the brake pedal of HE Pro? if so, with what? thanks

[@TheSimChannel]

Answer to that is in my Heusinkveld review. In short: I put two orange rubber bushings in, replacing the spring and possibly one of the white bushings. They are softer than the whites, but stiffer than the spring (and not linear like the spring).

[@_xndrzt]

@@TheSimChannel thanks a lot, I am gonna see the review then !

[@ZanicL3]

Is this able to straight bolt-on onto the wheelstand? I'm looking into buying this DD1 and bolting it on my apex wheelstand (for now).

[@TheSimChannel]

yeah, the DD1/2 use the standard fanatec 3-point bolt patterns. they have two more threads (so 5 in total), but those are not strictly necessary for solid mounting.

[@SalsaKetchup]

This is something that I have been wondering about as I have that wheel stand due to not having the space to have a permanently fixed rig for at least the next year or so. But I have my eye on a Podium DD1 Racing Wheel F1 as I would love to move up from a G29, but the cost of getting CSL Elite then adding the Formula Wheel plus Paddle Module brings it closer to the price of the DD1 anyway so why pay for the half step up now and then have to pay more to get a direct drive once I have the room for a permanent rig. Long story short you have answered the question that I've had on my mind for some time, could this stand be ok with the Podium at reasonable force settings (until I have room for a fixed rig)? Yes it could 😃

[@Headknocks]

Pedals first mate they are way more important

[@SalsaKetchup]

I have heard people say so. The first step for me is getting Leo Bodnar's Logitech USB Conversion Cable (one is on the way as I type) so they will go from 8-bit to 10-bit, that will be 4x increase in pedals resolution and hopefully will hold me over for some time, allowing me to gain a bit before deciding time on pedals to replace with for the longer term.

[@billywashere6965]

@@SalsaKetchup I know a lot of people keep saying "pedals first" and "pedals are the most important", but I can't say I really agree. For me it's all about the wheel and how it feels with the car/vehicle. I'm planning on upgrading to the DD1 and so that's what I've been looking at to really capture the feeling of the car, something that you don't really get from the pedal set alone.

[@ry4bfggfd]

Hey mate, I'm looking at the Podium DD Racing wheel F1 as well. Did this stand do the job for you? It has been two years since your post.

[@SalsaKetchup]

@@ry4bfggfd I've curently got a CSL DD (with 8 nm bostpack) mounted to it, but I've also upgraded the stand with GTOemga's upgrade kit to make it a perminat stand (as I have the space now) and though it does hold up ok to 8nm and I don't think it will have a prob with 10-12nm I still feel that I want something a little more rigid as a stand. Also itf you plan to fold the stand away all the time I hope you will not have far to move it as it will be heavy! Personaly if you haven't looked at the CSL DD with boost kit yet take a look it's more fitting for this stand and saves some $$$ at the sametime.

[@AdamDJones2011]

Great vid. Thank you! I've got this stand and am looking to get the dd1 but there has been no information on the net anywhere as to whether the stand would take the torque. I see that in the fixing plate there are three screw holes that should fit the dd1 but did you have to drill anymore / alter the plate in any way to fix the dd1 to it?

[@TheSimChannel]

Just the three is fine. But really, a direct drive base belongs in a real rig ;-)

[@AdamDJones2011]

@@TheSimChannel I've spent weeks trying to get all this info.. Even omega didn't know when I asked them last week so thank you. I'd love a proper rig but my space is super limited, I can only just fit the apex stand :(

[@TheSimChannel]

@@AdamDJones2011 As said in the video though, I can only really recommend it up to 8Nm of force, which you'd also get from a CSW2.5 (even though the case can be made that the DD1 delivers those 8Nm "better" -- see DD1 review section about acceleration). But yeah, you can have "fun" like me in this video, but I wouldn't go for longer 14-20Nm peak torque stints with that stand.

[@AdamDJones2011]

@@TheSimChannel in five with that. I want the dd1 for the fidelity / feeling the details of the track and car as well as it's speed and responsiveness. I don't mind keeping the torque level down :)

[@ZanicL3]

So did you get it? Im also on the same boat. Got this wheel stand and looking to get the DD1, are the mounting points a straight fix? I know the clubsport v2.5 are (are supported)

[@zimmerman1031]

I'm getting a DD2 and I'm not sure if it mounts the same as the DD1, but they look identical and I'd imagine have the same mounting. When mounting the DD1 to the Apex Wheel Stand, do you remember how many bolts actually fit into the DD1 from the wheel stand? I look at the plate, and it looks like only 2 bolts will make it in, which I wonder if it's enough. If this video is accurate, and my DD2 fits the same way the DD1 did in this video, I'm guessing it won't be that big of a deal, since I don't plan on using that much force. Hopefully the channel operator still monitors this video.

[@TheSimChannel]

sure, the channel isn't that big yet, so I still read most comments ;-) There are 3 holes for mounting fanatec wheel bases, which is enough for the DD1 and DD2 (which are indeed mostly the same, except for 5 nm of peak torque difference).

[@zimmerman1031]

@@TheSimChannel Thank you so much for responding. I can't wait to get my DD2 wheel, and to fit it in my Apex cockpit. Your channel was helpful in understanding that my GT omega wheel stand may be enough for my Fanatec wheel, especially given that they only sell DD1 and DD2 on the website, with the weaker Clubsport or CSL wheel bases not on offer anymore. Maybe it's just as well, though, as I would have settled for something in between the Thrustmaster T300RS and the Fanatec DD2 that I ended up getting, and maybe not end up having the experience I'll have once I finally get my DD2 in the mail. Will sub and watch other videos of yours for sure.

[@TheSimChannel]

@@zimmerman1031 Happy if I could be of help. If you wanna support me, think about using my affiliate links to buy sim racing gear in the future :-) Enjoy the new whel base!

[@urwetdreamz]

Hey, great video! I also own the Apex Wheelstand and I just sold my (broken) G29, which is rather convienent tbh, since I was wanting to upgrade some time anyhow. I don't have the space for a full cockput just yet, so I'm thinking of keeping the Apex but buying proper equipment. Atm I'm leaning more towards the simucube sport rather than the Fanatec DD1 with the Heusingkveld sprint pedals. The pedals seem to fit just fine onto the wheelstand? Do you by any chance know if the simucube wheelbase can be mounted as well? thx in advance

[@TheSimChannel]

I haven't owned an SC2 personally, but there will be a way to mount it. You're going to need one of those brackets for bottom mounting and you may have to drill additional holes in your wheel deck. But that shouldn't keep you from getting the SC2 (which I think is a good decision!).

[@urwetdreamz]

@@TheSimChannel thx for replying! I have spoken to support as well and they said it will fit cause the drilling with the mounting plate is the same as Fanatec! One more thing - do I need the baseplate for the heusinkveld sprints? Thx alot

[@TheSimChannel]

@@urwetdreamz You certainly need some baseplate for the Sprints, either the Heusinkveld one or another one for an 8020 rig like the one from SimLab. But I think the easiest would be to use Heusinkveld's own baseplate. It could be the case that you need to drill holes for it as well thouguh, I'm not sure about that.

[@urwetdreamz]

@@TheSimChannel thx for the input, much appreciated!

[@OldKingMaple]

Did you ever end up mounting a simucube 2 Sport to the apex? How did it perform any flex? What FFB setting did you use 40%? Any details would be awesome :)

[@madeadhitya]

Please do another test but with playseat challenge? Cheers!

[@TheSimChannel]

If you can get Playseat to send me a rig I'll be happy to :-)

[@rallybucca]

Is there a way to make this set up work though? Use a dd1 on 8-12 NM of torque? (I'm limited on space and was wanting a dd1...)

[@TheSimChannel]

I mean, in the video you see it working at 8-12nm, don't you?

[@rallybucca]

@@TheSimChannel okay I'm sold! Ty... If only the gr omega apex was in stock...

[@TheSimChannel]

@@rallybucca www.nextlevelracing.com/next-level-racing-wheel-stand-dd-for-direct-drive-wheels/ This might be an alternative. It's supposed to be even stronger, but also costs quite a bit more IIRC.

[@haaake]

That is MUCH better than some of their other wheel stands without that updated triangulated frame. Their other stands without that triangulation aren't really even strong enough for CSL Elite base in my experience. The biggest issue I noticed with their previous stands is the amount of flex in the pedal plate. With the CSL Elite LC pedals the pedal plate would flex quite a lot. Good to see them make such a big improvement.

[@TheSimChannel]

The pedal plate still flexes noticeably when you mount the pedals in the rearmost position (as I did). But that's less of an issue than the tipping over of the stand. I think if you mount it closer to the center of the (long) pedal plate, flex won't be much of an issue. But I don't know the stand all that well, I didn't test all possibilities. => as I said, not a review :-)

[@lorisbertazzi1361]

How many bolt you have used for fix podium to the stand?

[@TheSimChannel]

3.

[@rluigi1965]

thanks

[@jordanw24]

Do you think this would be ok for the Fanatec CSL DD with 8nm boost kit?

[@TheSimChannel]

Yes, absolutely! But you can see for yourself in the video how it fares with 8 Nm. (feel free to use my affiliate links when you buy things, it really helps a lot! :) )

[@jordanw24]

@@TheSimChannel thanks so much for the video and tests! And will do.

[@trueno84PR]

work with fanatec GT dd pro?

[@zorhis1996]

this or dd stand from next level racing

[@viniciusalvarenga828]

which wheel stand?

[@mesfigas]

super informative video no need thousands dollars expensive whell stand

[@6Whodini]

Better yet build your wheel stand. much much cheaper and way stronger no flex at all. Look for alunimium 4080 online and place your order some where in your country. You get all the pieces at the length you want and it's fairly easy to build.

[@zekkai1005]

@@6Whodini I can ask a welder to forge a stand for me lol

[@6Whodini]

@@zekkai1005 If you want me to make you one from 4080 aluminium just aks. No welding and forging needed. Just bolt it together and it's good to go

[@zekkai1005]

@@6Whodini But what would be the price? I won't pay 300-200 for a stand, I may not have a fully customizable and adjustable stand like those but paying 25-30$ to do a steel or metal stand is much cheaper, doing it to measures.

[@6Whodini]

@@zekkai1005 I wouldn't be making it literally but just send you the dimensions. Don't know where your from but maybe in your country the 4080 aluminium is cheaper than here in the Netherlands. Where everything is expensive. a custommizable stand is way more fun because you spen some time searching for the perfect seating position until you find it. Then you will love it

[@ry4bfggfd]

Hey man, I pre-ordered the new Gran Turismo DD Pro wheel. Would that be okay on this wheel stand too? The guys on the gt omega website can't give me a straight answer. They were like it might work but it might not lol.

[@TheSimChannel]

well, you can see how it does at 8nm in the video, no? ;-)

[@ry4bfggfd]

@@TheSimChannel I thought this wheelbase was a bit different. I'm still leaning towards sim lab's one but is 4X more expensive due to postage

[@TheSimChannel]

@@ry4bfggfd 8Nm is 8Nm. it's a little lighter but I wouldn't expect the stand to behave all that differently with that one ;-)

[@TheSimChannel]

BTW I have affiliate links for both SimLab and GT Omega if you want to support the channel. For GT Omega you can actaully get 5% off if you use discount code "THESIMCHANNEL" on checkout.

[@oktc68]

It's not going to be able to cope, a Next Level Racing Wheel Stand DD is what you need and can be part of a full rig when the kids leave home and you takeover their bedroom. AC has pretty feeble ffb anyhoo, probably not the best test.

[@TheSimChannel]

Have you tried the GT Omega Apex?

[@kevster3597]

Why the hell would you even try this without an e-stop? You didn't think what would happen If that stand broke apart? Could have been comedy value to watch the disaster all unfold 😂

[@TheSimChannel]

I placed the escape key right next to me for a no-look-all-in smash in the event of a mishap ;-)

[@hamzterix]

One question. Is it stupid to pay top price for a wheel if you don't even like strong FFB?

[@BLITZKRIEG1]

that's like me. having ffb set all the way up is very child gran Turismo like

[@Randy-rs1cg]

Its stupid to pay top price for a wheel and pedals if your FOV is shit and your sitting on a couch

[@rincx329]

I'm not sure, but non direct drive wheels haven't got the same output throughout the whole steering range? I'm not sure how it is on high end non direct drive wheels. Is there any noticeable dead spot in the center when you go from one side to the other?

[@azzifyy5988]

BLITZKRIEG You don't pay for the power, you pay for the fidelity, you gain much finer details from a direct driver, The power is also great for simulating real driving forces if you're driving cars without power steering, You also have much higher resolution encoders and there are quite a few other advantages to go with it

[@zoranlovric]

Is that on PC and a TV? What's the refresh rate and resolution? Freesync?

[@TheSimChannel]

yes, yes, 60Hz 1080p, and no :-)

[@zoranlovric]

@@TheSimChannel Thanks for the video. Good to know stands can be used with DD wheels, maybe not with max torque.

[@lolderdelol]

The stand held up waaay better than I expected, but then again, if you can afford a direct drive, I don't think a playseat would be too much.

[@TheSimChannel]

well this should hold up better than a (cheap) playseat though ;-) it's less of a money question, more of a space question. If you want a DD but you don't have the space for a permanent large rig, this thing can do the trick (to a degree).

[@billywashere6965]

@@TheSimChannel That's exactly what I wanted to know, because that's the exact boat I'm in (money for a DD1, but no space for a large cockpit). This video perfectly illustrated exactly what I needed to know about how well it can handle the DD1 before I upgrade.

[@TheSimChannel]

@@billywashere6965 I plan to do a proper review on it soon actually, but I don't think there will be much in there that you don't already know after watching this video ;-)

[@axzhor]

@@TheSimChannel Over here are you referring to a playseat challenge? I have one with a t300 and I am thinking* of getting a dd wheel, I dont know if I should stick to the challenge or get the wheel stand. Was planning on getting a csw2.5 for the challenge, but its pretty close to a accuforce v2. I am mainly looking* for a dd to the increased detail and not power.

[@TheSimChannel]

@@axzhor My advice: Get a Simucube 2 Sport for the detail, it's better than the Fanatecs in that regard. And there is no way you'll want to mount any DD wheel on a Playseat challenge. At least get a DD-ready wheelstand like the GT Omega Apex (use my affiliate link in the description if you do :)), Next Level Racing DD stand, or if you have the space get a proper rig, such as the Sim-Lab GT1 Evo.

[@mastakilla9783]

than it gonna work perfectly with my csl elite

[@filippoBO87]

Hi friend I want to buy Podium DD1! Do you think IRACING is ok with this STAND? I think I put 12 newton! I await your reply, thanks

[@TheSimChannel]

Well you see in the video how it behaves at 12nm peak. If that is fine with you, I don't see why you shouldn't use this stand.

[@filippoBO87]

@@TheSimChannel I'm sorry I'm Italian I'm not very good in English! everything looks ok from the video! unfortunately I have no space I have to use this stand! do you think it is really playable or is it better to use it for the csw 2.5?

[@TheSimChannel]

@@filippoBO87 at 12nm peak I think it's playable.

[@filippoBO87]

@@TheSimChannel Thank you, my friend, my purchase now ..... You've been very good

[@Jezza819]

This is very interesting since Fanatec have introduced their lower powered DD unit now but GT Omega still says it's too powerful for a portable stand.

[@TheSimChannel]

Do they? In actuality though, the Apex should handle the CSL DD without much of a problem.

[@Jezza819]

@@TheSimChannel I've got the Classic stand which is similar to the Apex I contacted them because I was thinking of getting the new lower priced, lower power 5NM DD base and they said they do not recommend ANY DD base on any of their stands. But several other people have told me it should be no problem plus you have the test to prove it.

[@TheSimChannel]

@@Jezza819 The Classic is a whole different thing though, I don't think you can compare it. I think they may not be fully aware of the CSL DD, and what 5Nm means in that case. The Clasic wheel stand might flex quite a bit (I don't know, just an assumption), while the Apex will not have much trouble with the CSL DD.

[@Jezza819]

@@TheSimChannel They said they were aware of this new offering from Fanatec and while your test might prove a wheelstand can handle a DD unit for a one time test, it was long term they were concerned about. Because I did send them this video. But their final line to me was "But if you want to try it go ahead".

[@TheSimChannel]

@@Jezza819 Interesting. Well in that case there's still the new Sim Lab stand and the Next Level Racing DD stand ;-)

[@alphalobster8021]

I came expecting blood. Sorely disappointed :D But am impressed with the stand. Now my Playseat Challenge, things could end differently!

[@MCR.88]

Do you think I can table clamp my DD2? At least until the rig is built?

[@TheSimChannel]

It doesn't come with a clamp. I'd certainly not put the torque key in if it's not solidly mounted. So if you turn the forces down, of course, but it's like buying a Ferrari to do the shopping. Yeah, you can drive it at city speeds, but you'll be spending a lot on performance you can never use in the city.

[@TheDoctor46vr]

So would you say 10Nm is the max power dd wheel base you would use on this? 12Nm is a bit too much yeah? Also i would love it if you did this review for other wheel stands like the NLR 2.0 etc. I just want the most rigid wheel stand money can buy so i can get the most powerful DD wheelbase possible without flex.

[@willwastaken]

Hey man, I'm curious about something. Is there a reason you're using 200% car and 50% game instead of 100% car and game? Does this provide a better experience?

[@TheSimChannel]

I dont recall it perfectly, but it had something to do with the clipping. if you put game ffb to 100 it will sometimes clip at very low ffb output values, because of the order that these gain settings are applied in the game. something like that. other than clipping, the experience is the exact same.

[@willwastaken]

@@TheSimChannel Ahh I see. Does the clipping make a perceivable difference or is it just a peace of mind thing?

[@TheSimChannel]

@@willwastaken when it clips the wheel puts out a completely constant force for the entire time of clipping, which can be a second or longer. during that time, there is no road or curb detail at all, it feels like someone switched the FFB off (except for the constant force). You can test this very easily yourself if you just crank up the FFB in game really high (and turn it down on your wheel base if it's getting too heavy). I recommend AC for this, with the FFBclip app that visualizes the FFB output to the wheel.

[@willwastaken]

​@@TheSimChannel Thanks! I currently have a T500RS, so I don't feel that much FFB anyway. However, I'll be upgrading to the Fanatec CSL DD when it releases in a month or two, so I'll be sure to do loads of testing when I do get it. I've also looked into the FFBClip app for AC which will automatically alter your chosen car's FFB gain as you drive, so I'll set the global FFB to 50% and then enable FFBClip :D

[@TheSimChannel]

@@willwastaken when you do, consider buying via my affiliate link ;-)

[@robhimself33]

So..... This might actually work with the Gran Turismo DD Pro?

[@TheSimChannel]

yeah, for sure. I have the DD Pro here, but not the stand anymore unfortunately, otherwise I'd give it a test. But even without a test. WIth 8Nm you're fine, as long as your expectations are reasonable :)

[@TheSimChannel]

oh and feel free to use my affiliate link if you choose to buy it. you'll even get a few percent off.

[@FullFledged2010]

Now try this on a playseat evolution. I've got a ts-pc racer mounted on one and its already bending like its made of rubber 😅

[@mguarin912]

FullFledged2010 We welded bars on either side of the wheel mount down to the floor and added a floor cross beam. A big triangle basically. $30 fix made it 100% flex free. 😊 Ugly but works!

[@giacomovds]

Which game is that ?

[@user-ri4yw1pw5q]

Kartkraft?

[@litlufpv3344]

What rig is this

[@TheSimChannel]

GT Omega Apex. If you wanna buy it you could use my affiliate link (see description) :)

[@Justinyoon12345]

which wheel stand is this

[@TheSimChannel]

GT Omega Apex

[@Justinyoon12345]

@@TheSimChannel do you think having a good wheel is more important than a cockpit? Right now I use a tmx with csl elite lc pedals on a desk. Im thinking of upgrading.

[@TheSimChannel]

@@Justinyoon12345 That's very much a personal preference thing. If you know you're gonna stick to this hobby and you have the space, I think I might go with a cockpit first.

you can pay for a gym membership or.......

[@jessepaige5815]

Is he using the TQ key? Doubt it

[@TheSimChannel]

Did we really land on the moon? Doubt it.

[@KZ_drift]

Lol i think its fine with a t300rs then

[@TheSimChannel]

yup. feel free to use the affiliate link in the description :-)

[@wildanS]

GT Omega Pro is rubbish though. That wheel stand actually seems sturdier.

[@TheSimChannel]

Maybe you should watch my buyers guide video on the GT Omega Pro ;-)

[@stefanknauer7180]

100% both in the wheel and ingame, and then turn the road thing to 100% that simulates the frictions of the wheels when turning it :D I bet though, that wonky wheelstand took half the force out most of the time :D

[@MooCreation]

brand and product name please

[@TheSimChannel]

GT Omega Apex

[@scottn7cy]

I am a racing fan and love racing sim games. I got a T300 racing wheel which I love and bought this wheel stand for it. I am missing a piece for actually mounting the wheel. I have tried several times emailing GT Omega but never a response. Once they had my money they could care less about me. I don't have a lot of money and now I have this useless hunk of metal sitting in my room. I finally had to buy another wheel stand. There are other reputable companies out there from whom you can and should buy products. If you don't want to lose your money I recommend avoid this shoddy company.

[@TheSimChannel]

Hmm, this honestly doesn't reflect my service experience with them (which does not mean it isn't valid!). However, I recall that they did have e-mail issues for a while, maybe you have fallen victim to that? But out of curiosity, what did you require to mount that wheel? Seems to me there is not a whole lot of pieces involved, and they should all come in the box?

[@scottn7cy]

@@TheSimChannelI believe what was missing is called a wheel base plate. I wound up buying a Wheel Stand Pro which works well.

[@TheSimChannel]

@@scottn7cy that's a weird part to be missing. Anyway, have you tried to get in touch with them recently? Sounds like you should at least be able to get your money back when you return the package. Good luck!

[@scottn7cy]

@@TheSimChannel I don't know HOW to get in touch with them beyond the two failed methods. Anyways in the end I have my T300 wheel functional which I will say makes me happy! Thank you for taking the time.

[@TheSimChannel]

@@scottn7cy Try e-mail again. Be polite. I know they had e-mail server issues a while back, so I'm thinking you may have fallen victim to that.

[@brodeur212]

So mUcH fLeX if the base goes up and down its really bad imo

[@justinburtonracing5135]

Cheap motion rig! Haha just put that soft flooring you would have in a home gym and it won't move

[@VK-dt7hn]

U have to have 100% on the game or it wont ”peak” at 4nm or whatever

[@TheSimChannel]

wrong, but more importantly: the wheel base shows exactly how much torque it's putting out ;-)

[@SIMRIG412]

@@TheSimChannel doesn't mean it's actually 100% right. I mean it is made by fanatec they are known to lie 🤣

[@TheSimChannel]

@@SIMRIG412 I've since learned that it's showing what it's trying to put out, not what it's actually putting out. That wasn't clear to me when I wrote that.

[@yungdadi]

This is a lie . Don't waste your money on a wheel stand if you are using a DD wheelbase

[@yungdadi]

@son of god 316 what kind of playseat and how much ffb do you use?

[@yungdadi]

@son of god 316 which playseat do you use? I have used a v2.5 on an evolution and it could not handle it so how are you using a DD at 100 ?

[@yungdadi]

@son of god 316 if you say so